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asflatasapancake wrote: »Just conform and eat meat. Problem solved.
at least conform and post replies after the quote you are replying to...
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asflatasapancake wrote: »Just conform and eat meat. Problem solved.
at least conform and post replies after the quote you are replying to...
When delivery kills the message...it's almost ironic.0 -
That's nice, but there is a HUGE fad of short term vegetarians and vegans lately. And they are super preachy (and needy). But then two months later they are eating meat again.
For example, my sister-in-law is periodically vegetarian. So, we were going to have dinner at my parents' place and I offered to cook. She typically complains that my parents don't change what they are having and just offer her a salad instead of whatever they are having. So, I said I was going to make eggplant parmesan, but turns out she doesn't like most vegetables. And pretty much non-stop what I hear from her is bitching that people aren't bending over backwards to accommodate her dietary needs even though they change constantly (she will post on FB every few months how she went somewhere and had a great meal, and it's a picture of meat).0 -
And there you have it, OP.Who cares what people think? What you think is what matters. Tell them to mind their own bloody business.
It's mainly because vegans are strongly associated with the extreme left politically and well, the extreme-left's behavior can seem rather treacherous at times. As the extreme right can seem to be warmongers although truthfully, there are no extreme rightwing politicians anymore. Politics now, of whatever affiliation, is a race to see how duplicitously patronizing they can be and not get caught. Household and government deficits don't arise from saying no.
I became vegan because I found out via the HSUS.org how abusive the big business of industrialized animal husbandry is. I share my HSUS.org Facebook posts to my friends all the time. Some have become much more cautious with trusting industrialized farming.
When the subject of veganism comes up I simply say the truth, I am vegan because big business is mean to those animals. And after I say that, there is nothing left to discuss really.
It wasn't even difficult to quit meat, it's not like it actually tastes good. I've heard enough talk and my own taste for over 45 years to know that what people like about meat is the blood and the fat - that is the high salt in the blood and the fat in the meat. Well, just buy a tub of margarine and a box of Morton salt and you're set without all the animal abuse. Or self-abuse if you know what those meats have been pumped with. It's a lot cheaper and healthier too. There's not a doubt most sick time and cancers in America are caused by industrialized meat production, as well as several strains of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Much more dangerous to the average American than smoking.
I'm very conservative myself but that conservatism has nothing to do with modern politics; which is mostly an orgy of selfishness, whatever the political affiliation.
However, most criticizing you don't know about the meat industry's abuses and they are hostile to you strictly for political reasons.
If most non-vegans had to mind their own bloody business of eating meat, they'd stop eating meat.
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No I just don't plan on changing the way I post. I heard you and wanted you to know that but that doesn't mean I plan on changing. And no I don't think anyone including you is attacking me. I do think some people who are in this thread are using a old line with vegans. Which is they all preach so it is ok if I attack first. I am asking people in this thread to treat veghans here in real life with respect that is all. And it could not be a personal attack you don't know me so even if something was directed towards me it isn't person. But I don't think you were trying to attack me. I just don't plan on changing how I post and wanted you to realize that I had read it since it stated it twice.SO if a woman attacks one man it is license for all men to attack woman? I think not. I do not care if one person said something that does not give a bunch of other people a opening to attack a whole host of others. Yes, I am ignoring what you said about quotes. It isn't that I did read it so you can stop repeating it.I would encourage every meat eater to given vegans the same respect they are asking for. Many of you turned the OP question on why she is being attacked into how ALL vegans attack meat eaters. How about you treat us with the respect you are asking for. NOT one of the vegans in this thread attacked meat eaters but over and over people who ID as meat eaters keep saying things like spare US.I admire everyone that has the discipline to not eat certain foods. My biggest problem is that I don't need to be educated on why most people do it. I know. I don't live in a bubble. I simply enjoy bacon. Don't make others feel inferior because you don't kill living things. Watched an episode of "Chopped" and the vegan kept talking about why....Spare us!
LOL. But, seriously, can you please learn how to use quotes. It will help your cause, I promise.
And, yes, one of your vegan buddies did attack meat eaters. Apparently, we are all subconsciously guilty about our meat-eating ways.
Ok. Well, out of the two of us, who here is being more nasty? I'm just trying to help you since you haven't been posting as long. But, by all means, if you don't want to use the quote function the right way...have at it with your badass ways.
I haven't attacked anyone here. I have no idea why you are being so rude to me. Maybe you perceive everyone as "attacking" you? That might be a bigger issue.
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I have no guilt whatsoever for eating meat. If I did, I wouldn't eat it. To say that people that eat meat feel guilty about it is kind of ridiculous.
There are two people who are important in my life that don't eat meat. You know what happens when they eat at my house? I make sure they have good food available with no meat in it. But I also serve meat for everyone else. I don't give them grief, they don't give me grief. It's called mutual respect. Pretty simple really.0 -
No I just don't plan on changing the way I post. I heard you and wanted you to know that but that doesn't mean I plan on changing. And no I don't think anyone including you is attacking me. I do think some people who are in this thread are using a old line with vegans. Which is they all preach so it is ok if I attack first. I am asking people in this thread to treat veghans here in real life with respect that is all. And it could not be a personal attack you don't know me so even if something was directed towards me it isn't person. But I don't think you were trying to attack me. I just don't plan on changing how I post and wanted you to realize that I had read it since it stated it twice.SO if a woman attacks one man it is license for all men to attack woman? I think not. I do not care if one person said something that does not give a bunch of other people a opening to attack a whole host of others. Yes, I am ignoring what you said about quotes. It isn't that I did read it so you can stop repeating it.I would encourage every meat eater to given vegans the same respect they are asking for. Many of you turned the OP question on why she is being attacked into how ALL vegans attack meat eaters. How about you treat us with the respect you are asking for. NOT one of the vegans in this thread attacked meat eaters but over and over people who ID as meat eaters keep saying things like spare US.I admire everyone that has the discipline to not eat certain foods. My biggest problem is that I don't need to be educated on why most people do it. I know. I don't live in a bubble. I simply enjoy bacon. Don't make others feel inferior because you don't kill living things. Watched an episode of "Chopped" and the vegan kept talking about why....Spare us!
LOL. But, seriously, can you please learn how to use quotes. It will help your cause, I promise.
And, yes, one of your vegan buddies did attack meat eaters. Apparently, we are all subconsciously guilty about our meat-eating ways.
Ok. Well, out of the two of us, who here is being more nasty? I'm just trying to help you since you haven't been posting as long. But, by all means, if you don't want to use the quote function the right way...have at it with your badass ways.
I haven't attacked anyone here. I have no idea why you are being so rude to me. Maybe you perceive everyone as "attacking" you? That might be a bigger issue.
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This exactlylooneytunes32 wrote: »I have no guilt whatsoever for eating meat. If I did, I wouldn't eat it. To say that people that eat meat feel guilty about it is kind of ridiculous.
There are two people who are important in my life that don't eat meat. You know what happens when they eat at my house? I make sure they have good food available with no meat in it. But I also serve meat for everyone else. I don't give them grief, they don't give me grief. It's called mutual respect. Pretty simple really.
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I am going to tell you why. A lot of people will disagree, but this is true. Subconscious guilt is why.
You're right. I disagree.
You might be right about the subconscious part, but it's the "guilt" that I am having a problem with. For one to feel guilty, they have to feel like they are doing something wrong. You might see eating meat as wrong, and accusing someone of feeling guilty you are therefore espousing that you have some sort of superiority over people who eat meat.
It's the feeling of superiority that people may subconsciously defend themselves against.
Here's the other thing. Whether you are vegan or omnivore, the hundreds of people each encounter in a month, year or a lifetime who have no problem with your choice of food never say anything. It's only the select few that chastise one for eating meat, or not eating meat (depending on which side you are on). But since those are the only people saying something the perception then becomes "this happens all the time." When, in reality, it doesn't. People disregard the hundreds who haven't said a word.
I'm not saying that there are not people who do feel guilty about it. i am sure there are. But I think, by and large, that most people who eat meat do not think it is wrong to eat meat and are fine with their choice to do so.
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wolverine66 wrote: »I am going to tell you why. A lot of people will disagree, but this is true. Subconscious guilt is why.
You're right. I disagree.
You might be right about the subconscious part, but it's the "guilt" that I am having a problem with. For one to feel guilty, they have to feel like they are doing something wrong. You might see eating meat as wrong, and accusing someone of feeling guilty you are therefore espousing that you have some sort of superiority over people who eat meat.
It's the feeling of superiority that people may subconsciously defend themselves against.
Here's the other thing. Whether you are vegan or omnivore, the hundreds of people each encounter in a month, year or a lifetime who have no problem with your choice of food never say anything. It's only the select few that chastise one for eating meat, or not eating meat (depending on which side you are on). But since those are the only people saying something the perception then becomes "this happens all the time." When, in reality, it doesn't. People disregard the hundreds who haven't said a word.
I'm not saying that there are not people who do feel guilty about it. i am sure there are. But I think, by and large, that most people who eat meat do not think it is wrong to eat meat and are fine with their choice to do so.
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I felt guilty about cleaning and eating a 9.7 pound bass before.0
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well saidwolverine66 wrote: »I am going to tell you why. A lot of people will disagree, but this is true. Subconscious guilt is why.
You're right. I disagree.
You might be right about the subconscious part, but it's the "guilt" that I am having a problem with. For one to feel guilty, they have to feel like they are doing something wrong. You might see eating meat as wrong, and accusing someone of feeling guilty you are therefore espousing that you have some sort of superiority over people who eat meat.
It's the feeling of superiority that people may subconsciously defend themselves against.
Here's the other thing. Whether you are vegan or omnivore, the hundreds of people each encounter in a month, year or a lifetime who have no problem with your choice of food never say anything. It's only the select few that chastise one for eating meat, or not eating meat (depending on which side you are on). But since those are the only people saying something the perception then becomes "this happens all the time." When, in reality, it doesn't. People disregard the hundreds who haven't said a word.
I'm not saying that there are not people who do feel guilty about it. i am sure there are. But I think, by and large, that most people who eat meat do not think it is wrong to eat meat and are fine with their choice to do so.
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Since it has been brought up many times that vegans will try to guilt those who eat meat, or try to get them to stop eating it, I'd like to put in my 2 cents.
I never initiate discussions about dietary choices, but if there is food involved and I ask about vegan options, usually someone who is curious will ask me about my choice. Often this is done aggressively like, "You do know that being vegan is unhealthy and you need animal products to be live". In this case I will explain how I prefer to take this small risk in order to withdraw my support of animal cruelty. As I do not wish to generalise, this is only one scenario.
Other times I will be asked why, in a friendly manner, and of course I will still tell them why I do it (poor living conditions, us feeling superior by taking a life for our pleasure/benefit).
The only other time I will give my input is if it is brought up that eating animal products is healthy. There have been many studies showing otherwise. I'm not saying that you can't be healthy and eat animal products, but they are not necessary to be healthy and eating them in excess is quite unhealthy.
So basically I do not like to start conflicts, but I think that it's important that those who are eating animal products know where they've come from and understand the pain involved. If they are still aware of this and choose to eat them, although I don't agree, I won't criticise them on it. I am not sure how relevant my bit was
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Since it has been brought up many times that vegans will try to guilt those who eat meat, or try to get them to stop eating it, I'd like to put in my 2 cents.
I never initiate discussions about dietary choices, but if there is food involved and I ask about vegan options, usually someone who is curious will ask me about my choice. Often this is done aggressively like, "You do know that being vegan is unhealthy and you need animal products to be live". In this case I will explain how I prefer to take this small risk in order to withdraw my support of animal cruelty. As I do not wish to generalise, this is only one scenario.
Other times I will be asked why, in a friendly manner, and of course I will still tell them why I do it (poor living conditions, us feeling superior by taking a life for our pleasure/benefit).
The only other time I will give my input is if it is brought up that eating animal products is healthy. There have been many studies showing otherwise. I'm not saying that you can't be healthy and eat animal products, but they are not necessary to be healthy and eating them in excess is quite unhealthy.
So basically I do not like to start conflicts, but I think that it's important that those who are eating animal products know where they've come from and understand the pain involved. If they are still aware of this and choose to eat them, although I don't agree, I won't criticise them on it. I am not sure how relevant my bit was
I was with you until this comment. It's not your responsibility, nor will it ever be your responsibility, to make sure animal eaters "understand the pain involved." It's THAT mentality that turns people off.0 -
Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated.
Edited to make more clear: If I am able to help and they are open to hearing it/curious I'd be glad to help0 -
Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated
Again this is why, OP, we really don't need to be educated. You want to be Vegan, vegetarian..anything, just enjoy your life and stay out of others.0 -
Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated
That's the point. It's not up to you to determine what people should, and should not, be educated about. Or to assume that meat eaters haven't educated themselves. It's that condescending attitude that turns people off...0 -
Fair enough, I wasn't implying that it my 'responsibility' but just that if you're choosing to be part of something, you should be educated.
Edited to make more clear: If I am able to help and they are open to hearing it/curious I'd be glad to help
Or, what if those people ARE educated on the subject and their food source.
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If I felt guilty about eating meat and/or killing tasty animals, I wouldn't have shot all those Bambis, Thumpers and <insert cute cartoon squirrel name>s
If YOU feel guilty about this, fine, but don't assume we all do.-1 -
I am going to tell you why. A lot of people will disagree, but this is true. Subconscious guilt is why. You don't have to say one word, but immediately, they assume you are attacking them in your head. They assume you are judging them silently, and they begin to defend themselves out loud to the attack you NEVER made. They feel the need to tell you why it is ok to eat animals when you NEVER said one stinking word about it. I've been vegetarian since 1999 and have listened to more attacks about why I should be eating meat then the other way around BY FAR. Are there preachy vegetarians? Sure, but there are way more meat eaters that will attack you for eating meat. Every once in a bit, I've had someone confess in a conversation like this, yes, I do feel bad about it, but I don't have the will power. Well, there you go...
as soon as they say something like "animals were put on earth for us to use" or "mmmm murder i love bacon mmm i eat so many cows" you better believe im judging them as trash but hey im a meanie
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I think a lot of it boils down to envy that you've made a conscious choice to better your lifestyle or make a change that you feel benefits the world that a lot of people don't have the discipline to carry through with.
I envy vegans too to some degree for their capacity to modify their diets to that degree, but I don't allow it to feed an inferiority complex. Keep doing what you're doing and hold your chin up!0 -
I raise adorable little goats to eat. They ARE tasty. As well as the chickens. And deer. And Turkey...
Meet Dinner. :-)
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paperfrost wrote: »I think a lot of it boils down to envy that you've made a conscious choice to better your lifestyle or make a change that you feel benefits the world that a lot of people don't have the discipline to carry through with.
I envy vegans too to some degree for their capacity to modify their diets to that degree, but I don't let that feed an inferiority complex. Keep doing what you're doing and hold your chin up!
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_Captivated_ wrote: »I raise adorable little goats to eat. They ARE tasty. As well as the chickens. And deer. And Turkey...
Meet Dinner. :-)
he'll look great roasted and on a plate!-1 -
I can honestly say this have never crossed my mind. So nope.paperfrost wrote: »I think a lot of it boils down to envy that you've made a conscious choice to better your lifestyle or make a change that you feel benefits the world that a lot of people don't have the discipline to carry through with.
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