Eliminating bread and rice?

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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,017 Member
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    MrM27 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)

    Seeing things like that makes me contemplate starting my own YouTube channel. If a dummy like that can have 27,000 subscribers anyone can.
    Subscription = $$$$$ and the Barnum/Bailey principal never dissipates, so it's a win win. I'd subscribe to you. ;)
  • kristenveganvixen
    kristenveganvixen Posts: 87 Member
    edited April 2015
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    MrM27 wrote: »
    My issue with them is simply portion control- I found when I weighed my rice I'd probably be having double what a recommended portion size was- yikes! They are fine in moderation imho and just be careful to weigh them.

    As an alternative you could try higher protein grains like quinoa, spelt etc which helps hit your macros on a lower calorie allowance, or low carb low cal vegetables masquerading as carbs such as cauliflour "rice" and courgette "pasta" (using a spiraliser tool) and beansprout "noodles" HTH x

    I wouldn't call Quinoa and Spelt "low calorie" at all.
    It isn't and I didn't. What I actually said was it may help you hit your protein macros on a lower calorie allowance compared to using rice or bread as a carb. I then said that vegetable replicas such as cauliflour "rice" etc was low calorie and low carb. Hope that clarifies it :)

  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,948 Member
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    Well the GI scale (referring only to GI and not GL) is based on how quickly the food affects blood sugar levels. I don’t see why it needs explaining in order for me to put forward research findings.

    Because within the context of a meal it is meaningless...

  • kristenveganvixen
    kristenveganvixen Posts: 87 Member
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    It's hardly a massive amount like a protein shake but every little bit helps when you are working with a very low calorie allowance surely.
  • belgerian
    belgerian Posts: 1,059 Member
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    Myself Ive pretty much quit eating bread, but I enjoy my steel cut oats. I quit bread because I quit PB and J sandwiches (only ones I ever ate) way to many of them. I will still have a few rolls and butter with a nice family dinner or something special occasion but that is it.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
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    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)

    I take full responsibility. I am so sorry.
    MrM27 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)

    Seeing things like that makes me contemplate starting my own YouTube channel. If a dummy like that can have 27,000 subscribers anyone can.

    Do it!!! The pup (soz forgotten his name) needs to have a starring role though.
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
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    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)

    I take full responsibility. I am so sorry.
    MrM27 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)

    Seeing things like that makes me contemplate starting my own YouTube channel. If a dummy like that can have 27,000 subscribers anyone can.

    Do it!!! The pup (soz forgotten his name) needs to have a starring role though.

    Leo. Leo could bark up more solid info that dudebro up there.

  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
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    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)

    I take full responsibility. I am so sorry.
    MrM27 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    'Good' carbs are good for you especially after a work out, brown rice and 100% whole wheat bread. Make sure the label says exactly that.

    Please go do some research. Real research.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI8pw_A6go&index=22&list=LLaw4w7qMyWFzNwRBnJVYRcQ

    Oh. Wow. Just...no.

    I will never get that 6 minutes back :(
    You made me curious and clicked to watch, so, can I blame you for the brain cells that committed suicide. :)

    Seeing things like that makes me contemplate starting my own YouTube channel. If a dummy like that can have 27,000 subscribers anyone can.

    Do it!!! The pup (soz forgotten his name) needs to have a starring role though.

    Leo. Leo could bark up more solid info that dudebro up there.

    Oh I had actually remembered correctly then! I ought to trust my brain a bit more.
  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,150 Member
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    I give up nothing.
  • Hollywood_Porky
    Hollywood_Porky Posts: 491 Member
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    MrM27 wrote: »
    mls100771 wrote: »
    I'm a low carber, so bread and rice are out for me. But isn't white bread a simple carb?

    Nope

    And on the opposite end an apple is a simple carb.

    Actually, it's a complex carb.

    Just one source: http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-complex-carbohydrates.html

    Apple is listed here:

    Fruits and Vegetables
    •Potatoes
    •Tomatoes
    •Onions
    •Okra
    •Dill pickles
    •Carrots
    •Yams
    •Strawberries
    •Peas
    •Radishes
    •Beans
    •Broccoli
    •Spinach
    •Green beans
    •Zucchini
    •Apples
    •Pears
    •Cucumbers
    •Asparagus
    •Grapefruit
    •Prunes

  • Hollywood_Porky
    Hollywood_Porky Posts: 491 Member
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    MrM27 wrote: »
    KevDaniel wrote: »
    Too much of anything will make you fat. Including no carbs. They are usually heavy handed with the calories so just monitor your amount. I would avoid simple carbs though :)
    So you would never eat an apple?

    Apple is a complex carb.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    edited April 2015
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    MrM27 wrote: »
    mls100771 wrote: »
    I'm a low carber, so bread and rice are out for me. But isn't white bread a simple carb?

    Nope

    And on the opposite end an apple is a simple carb.

    Actually, it's a complex carb.

    Just one source: http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-complex-carbohydrates.html

    Apple is listed here:

    Fruits and Vegetables
    •Potatoes
    •Tomatoes
    •Onions
    •Okra
    •Dill pickles
    •Carrots
    •Yams
    •Strawberries
    •Peas
    •Radishes
    •Beans
    •Broccoli
    •Spinach
    •Green beans
    •Zucchini
    •Apples
    •Pears
    •Cucumbers
    •Asparagus
    •Grapefruit
    •Prunes

    That is an incorrect definition of what a complex carb is. Fiber itself is a complex carb, but since you can't really digest it all that's left are the simple carbs in the fruit, which are glucose, fructose, etc.

    Which makes me wonder, why did you choose the link to "yourdictionary.com" which is the fourth result down instead of the first result when googling "complex carbs" which leads to http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/imagepages/19529.htm instead?
  • Gianfranco_R
    Gianfranco_R Posts: 1,297 Member
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    MrM27 wrote: »
    mls100771 wrote: »
    I'm a low carber, so bread and rice are out for me. But isn't white bread a simple carb?

    Nope

    And on the opposite end an apple is a simple carb.

    Actually, it's a complex carb.

    Just one source: http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-complex-carbohydrates.html

    Apple is listed here:

    Fruits and Vegetables
    •Potatoes
    •Tomatoes
    •Onions
    •Okra
    •Dill pickles
    •Carrots
    •Yams
    •Strawberries
    •Peas
    •Radishes
    •Beans
    •Broccoli
    •Spinach
    •Green beans
    •Zucchini
    •Apples
    •Pears
    •Cucumbers
    •Asparagus
    •Grapefruit
    •Prunes

    That is an incorrect definition of what a complex carb is. Fiber itself is a complex carb, but since you can't really digest it all that's left are the simple carbs in the fruit, which are glucose, fructose, etc.

    Which makes me wonder, why did you choose the link to "yourdictionary.com" which is the fourth result down instead of the first result when googling "complex carbs" which leads to http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/imagepages/19529.htm instead?

    It's just a terminology issue. From Wikipedia:
    Nutritionists often refer to carbohydrates as either simple or complex. However, the exact distinction between these groups can be ambiguous. The term complex carbohydrate was first used in the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs publication Dietary Goals for the United States (1977) where it was intended to distinguish sugars from other carbohydrates (which were perceived to be nutritionally superior).[29] However, the report put "fruit, vegetables and whole-grains" in the complex carbohydrate column, despite the fact that these may contain sugars as well as polysaccharides. This confusion persists as today some nutritionists use the term complex carbohydrate to refer to any sort of digestible saccharide present in a whole food, where fiber, vitamins and minerals are also found (as opposed to processed carbohydrates, which provide energy but few other nutrients). The standard usage, however, is to classify carbohydrates chemically: simple if they are sugars (monosaccharides and disaccharides) and complex if they are polysaccharides (or oligosaccharides)
    ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate#Classification )

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,017 Member
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    Simple, complex has always been a bone of contention with me because it really has no applicable meaning as it relates to nutrition.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited April 2015
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    People want simple to mean bad and complex to mean good (as they define it), so you get idiots misusing it all the time (usually confusing it with refined vs. less refined, but the same people quite often hate potatoes, which are unrefined in many uses so it gets even weirder). Complex are just starches (the chemical chain of which they are made up is more complex) and simple just, well, simpler sugars, which is where the calories in fruit come from.

    It doesn't have anything to do with how fast something is digested or the current obsession with the GI/GL.

    Walter Willett in Eat, Drink, and Be Healthy (which I don't agree with in some respects, but which is a pretty good example of mainstream thought by nutrition experts) dismisses the simple/complex distinction as a real one chemically but completely irrelevant to nutrition and notes that your body treats complex carbs like potatoes and white bread (starches) basically like sugars. (Willett would completely agree with those who say that fiber matters or that whole grains are better, of course.)

    That people bend over backwards to try and make the simple/complex distinction mean something nutritionally is just comical. The definition on the page cited above is inconsistent with the lists of foods given, even.