(Why) are people really disappointed to hear they can eat anything they want and still lose weight?
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Yesterday I ate at a deficit and exercised. I stepped on the scale this morning, I loss more weight. It works!0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Possibly because depending on how you interpret the phrase, it's not true. And it's not true for everyone regardless of interpretation.
I am constantly shocked that people actually thought they couldn't eat things like cake and lose weight.
you can eat cake and still lose weight. It is all about portion control and tracking. Obviously you can't eat an entire cake or a whole Pizza.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »F**king hell. Let's recap shall we?
OP asks why people get butthurt about CICO. OP later mentions that is working for them and is glad it's in their hands.
Captain Obvious then steps in with an irrelevant point, followed by the usual White Knight squadron.
Jesus Christ on a f**king bicycle. Seriously.
You just gave me my laugh of the day, herrspoons. Thanks.0 -
rjmudlax13 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »For me, it was just so liberating and empowering to know that I could do it by myself.
Not to be a wet blanket, but until someone actually reaches goal weight and successful maintains the weight loss for 5-10 years, they're not really in a position to say that anything in particular "works".
That's kind of like saying an F1 racecar driver needs to win races for at least 10 years to prove that an internal combustion engine actually works.
Why would any race need to be won in order to prove an engine works?0 -
It's really not. I'm not sure someone need 10 years to say something worked. That's crazy talk.
I respect your opinion but, sorry, I agree with the Knighted One. Based on the statistics of regain after weight loss within a five year period, even using the CICO method, he's right on.
I don't even think he's that crazy
That's not a failing of CICO. That's a failing on the part of the person.
Yes.
Ok. And I think that if a person has had success and lost weight....only to regain it 7 years later...that person saying it works isn't wrong. They just lost control. That doesn't mean they can't reflect on what works, because they know what works because they've done it.
Just because they aren't practicing it, doesn't mean they aren't aware of why they regained the weight.
The issue definitely is control, yes.
And despite the fact that people know why they regain, most of them regain even still. Using any and all methods of weight loss. Including CICO. While eating controlled portions of pop tarts. For 4 years and 364 days, or something like that.
Right, but just because they have regained the weight, doesn't mean they don't understand what works.
The did. But I think the definition of "works" might be viewed as subjective in this case. It works if you work it so to speak. But somehow, most people don't feel like working it anymore at about the five year mark, or well before. Most people regain the weight. It's the awful truth.
But that's a personal choice. It doesn't mean that they don't know what works.
Yeah, any method chosen to lose weight is personal. And anyone is free to choose whatever method they want. But really. Statistically, those who choose CICO are not exempt from the dismal regain statistics within 5 years.
This totally. I find it mind boggling when MFP users jump down someone's throat if they talk about other methods of losing other then CICO. At the end of the day we all want to lose the weight and whatever "diet" we use is a personal choice. I certainly can't drink "diet" shakes forever but I also have a hard time counting calories forever so here I am trying for the umpteenth time.
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OMG, the nitpicking has reached new heights.0
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bainsworth1a wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Possibly because depending on how you interpret the phrase, it's not true. And it's not true for everyone regardless of interpretation.
I am constantly shocked that people actually thought they couldn't eat things like cake and lose weight.
you can eat cake and still lose weight. It is all about portion control and tracking. Obviously you can't eat an entire cake or a whole Pizza.
I eat whole pizzas occasionally and I'm losing. And I have wine with it. I make 12 in pizzas that are < 1000 calories per serving.0 -
It's really not. I'm not sure someone need 10 years to say something worked. That's crazy talk.
I respect your opinion but, sorry, I agree with the Knighted One. Based on the statistics of regain after weight loss within a five year period, even using the CICO method, he's right on.
I don't even think he's that crazy
That's not a failing of CICO. That's a failing on the part of the person.
Yes.
Ok. And I think that if a person has had success and lost weight....only to regain it 7 years later...that person saying it works isn't wrong. They just lost control. That doesn't mean they can't reflect on what works, because they know what works because they've done it.
Just because they aren't practicing it, doesn't mean they aren't aware of why they regained the weight.
The issue definitely is control, yes.
And despite the fact that people know why they regain, most of them regain even still. Using any and all methods of weight loss. Including CICO. While eating controlled portions of pop tarts. For 4 years and 364 days, or something like that.
Right, but just because they have regained the weight, doesn't mean they don't understand what works.
The did. But I think the definition of "works" might be viewed as subjective in this case. It works if you work it so to speak. But somehow, most people don't feel like working it anymore at about the five year mark, or well before. Most people regain the weight. It's the awful truth.
But that's a personal choice. It doesn't mean that they don't know what works.
Yeah, any method chosen to lose weight is personal. And anyone is free to choose whatever method they want. But really. Statistically, those who choose CICO are not exempt from the dismal regain statistics within 5 years.
And I'm not knocking it. I'm trying it and we'll see. If it works, great. But I won't post my success story here until 5 years from reaching goal weight. It wouldn't be until then that I'd consider myself a success at weight loss. Even with CICO.
(And I'm not knocking anyone who chooses to post a success story earlier than that. I love to read success stories, even if they are short term and no one can read the future anyway )
That's you personal choice, but it still doesn't mean that someone who understand the basics principles of CICO (either because they understand the science or they have successfully lost weight) isn't able to say it works. All it means is that they didn't have the willpower to sustain it. Two very different concepts.
Yes, we sort of agree but not exactly. Personally I think the long term determines success but maybe that's just me.
That's where the difference is though. Having success and knowing what works are two very different things.
Let's take professors, for example.
My corporate finance professor was brilliant. He didn't want to work on Wall Street though - the environment wasn't right for him. So, he's not a multi-millionare trader. But, man, he knew his stuff and has taught hundreds, if not thousands, of students corporate finance. And I would guess that a good number of those students are having success on the street. Now, are we saying he can't teach anymore because he didn't have 10 years of successful trading experience on the street? That's preposterous.0 -
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herrspoons wrote: »
It's really not. I'm not sure someone need 10 years to say something worked. That's crazy talk.
I respect your opinion but, sorry, I agree with the Knighted One. Based on the statistics of regain after weight loss within a five year period, even using the CICO method, he's right on.
I don't even think he's that crazy
That's not a failing of CICO. That's a failing on the part of the person.
Yes.
Ok. And I think that if a person has had success and lost weight....only to regain it 7 years later...that person saying it works isn't wrong. They just lost control. That doesn't mean they can't reflect on what works, because they know what works because they've done it.
Just because they aren't practicing it, doesn't mean they aren't aware of why they regained the weight.
The issue definitely is control, yes.
And despite the fact that people know why they regain, most of them regain even still. Using any and all methods of weight loss. Including CICO. While eating controlled portions of pop tarts. For 4 years and 364 days, or something like that.
Right, but just because they have regained the weight, doesn't mean they don't understand what works.
The did. But I think the definition of "works" might be viewed as subjective in this case. It works if you work it so to speak. But somehow, most people don't feel like working it anymore at about the five year mark, or well before. Most people regain the weight. It's the awful truth.
But that's a personal choice. It doesn't mean that they don't know what works.
Yeah, any method chosen to lose weight is personal. And anyone is free to choose whatever method they want. But really. Statistically, those who choose CICO are not exempt from the dismal regain statistics within 5 years.
This totally. I find it mind boggling when MFP users jump down someone's throat if they talk about other methods of losing other then CICO. At the end of the day we all want to lose the weight and whatever "diet" we use is a personal choice. I certainly can't drink "diet" shakes forever but I also have a hard time counting calories forever so here I am trying for the umpteenth time.
Right. Go and look at those studies and the participants. We are not talking about people who are a bit overweight, we are generally talking about people who are obese or morbidly obese. Frankly you could give them any diet and they'd fail or have a massive recidivism rate, because, not to mince words, they lack the discipline to conform to any maintenance regime, which is why they're so huge in the first place.
For your average slightly porky dieter, CICO and a bit of education works very well.
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Because the people who ask that want an easy fix. They don't want to hear that they have to log and track or whatever, they want to hear, "Just eat ______ every day and you'll lose weight."0
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It's really not. I'm not sure someone need 10 years to say something worked. That's crazy talk.
I respect your opinion but, sorry, I agree with the Knighted One. Based on the statistics of regain after weight loss within a five year period, even using the CICO method, he's right on.
I don't even think he's that crazy
That's not a failing of CICO. That's a failing on the part of the person.
Yes.
Ok. And I think that if a person has had success and lost weight....only to regain it 7 years later...that person saying it works isn't wrong. They just lost control. That doesn't mean they can't reflect on what works, because they know what works because they've done it.
Just because they aren't practicing it, doesn't mean they aren't aware of why they regained the weight.
The issue definitely is control, yes.
And despite the fact that people know why they regain, most of them regain even still. Using any and all methods of weight loss. Including CICO. While eating controlled portions of pop tarts. For 4 years and 364 days, or something like that.
Right, but just because they have regained the weight, doesn't mean they don't understand what works.
The did. But I think the definition of "works" might be viewed as subjective in this case. It works if you work it so to speak. But somehow, most people don't feel like working it anymore at about the five year mark, or well before. Most people regain the weight. It's the awful truth.
But that's a personal choice. It doesn't mean that they don't know what works.
Yeah, any method chosen to lose weight is personal. And anyone is free to choose whatever method they want. But really. Statistically, those who choose CICO are not exempt from the dismal regain statistics within 5 years.
And I'm not knocking it. I'm trying it and we'll see. If it works, great. But I won't post my success story here until 5 years from reaching goal weight. It wouldn't be until then that I'd consider myself a success at weight loss. Even with CICO.
(And I'm not knocking anyone who chooses to post a success story earlier than that. I love to read success stories, even if they are short term and no one can read the future anyway )
That's you personal choice, but it still doesn't mean that someone who understand the basics principles of CICO (either because they understand the science or they have successfully lost weight) isn't able to say it works. All it means is that they didn't have the willpower to sustain it. Two very different concepts.
Yes, we sort of agree but not exactly. Personally I think the long term determines success but maybe that's just me.
So what's long-term, until death? What if someone maintains for fifteen years then regains after their significant other dies? Then losses again after grieving because they already knew what works?0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »I see this many times each day on the forums. Question: "What can I eat that will make me lose fat?" (Almost) collective answer: "You can eat anything you like as long as you are in a calorie deficit." Reaction is in 99.99% of cases, disbelief, mistrust, frustration, even anger. Why? I was over myself from joy when I realised that I could still eat candy at birthdays and that low fat diet foods weren't necessary to lose and maintain weight.
I know when I realized that I could lose weight just by simply watching my calorie intake I was kind of disgusted and angry with myself for wasting so many years doing overly complicated things when this is so ridiculously easy. I didn't disbelieve it because it was working for me but there was definitely a feeling like I had been stupid and scammed. Then I was happy. Super happy.
Some people want fast, magic weight loss. They don't want to hear that it should take months or years to lose weight. They want to lose 50 lbs in a month and be strutting around in a bikini. Their friend/co-worker/family member lost weight quicker than that cutting everything out of their diet or doing crazy stuff so they must have to do that too.0 -
rjmudlax13 wrote: »bainsworth1a wrote: »Obviously you can't eat an entire cake or a whole Pizza.
Or CAN you???
Enter easy-bake oven for the win!0 -
I think it's hard to believe that concept because as a society we've been bombarded with all these fad diets that basically deprive you of food in one way or another. My first post on mfp was how much I was craving fast food and sodas, how I missed it - cuz I had completely stopped eating it (it's what you're told to do, by all diets and fads, when you go on a diet to lose weight). Even though people told me it was OK to eat some, I still didn't believe them. After all, fast food for me = fat food. Until one day I decided to try and see if it was true I could still lose weight... which I did that week!! It was definitely liberating to know I didn't have to suffer, by missing out on foods I love, to lose weight. But that's another thing, people shouldn't believe that by saying "eating whatever you want" = eating the same huge amounts they used to. It's about learning to eat smaller amounts of foods they love. :flowerforyou:0
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kommodevaran wrote: »I see this many times each day on the forums. Question: "What can I eat that will make me lose fat?" (Almost) collective answer: "You can eat anything you like as long as you are in a calorie deficit." Reaction is in 99.99% of cases, disbelief, mistrust, frustration, even anger. Why? I was over myself from joy when I realised that I could still eat candy at birthdays and that low fat diet foods weren't necessary to lose and maintain weight.
I know when I realized that I could lose weight just by simply watching my calorie intake I was kind of disgusted and angry with myself for wasting so many years doing overly complicated things when this is so ridiculously easy. I didn't disbelieve it because it was working for me but there was definitely a feeling like I had been stupid and scammed. Then I was happy. Super happy.
Some people want fast, magic weight loss. They don't want to hear that it should take months or years to lose weight. They want to lose 50 lbs in a month and be strutting around in a bikini. Their friend/co-worker/family member lost weight quicker than that cutting everything out of their diet or doing crazy stuff so they must have to do that too.
Who wouldn't want fast magic weight loss? I know I would. But having to cut everything from my diet or do crazy stuff doesn't sound like magic. It sounds like misery.0 -
From many years of fad dieting and hearing ppl claim to have found the magic cure for obesity I too believed, tried and purchased everything that claimed to make me lose weight, only to be disappointment time and time again. It wasn't until I joined MFP, started reading the forums, following links and with the no nonsense fact based replies from seasoned members was that I actually began to accept CiCo and that I only needed to create a caloric deficit to lose weight not the miracle pill or detox juice. The light bulb finally turned on.0
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bainsworth1a wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Possibly because depending on how you interpret the phrase, it's not true. And it's not true for everyone regardless of interpretation.
I am constantly shocked that people actually thought they couldn't eat things like cake and lose weight.
you can eat cake and still lose weight. It is all about portion control and tracking. Obviously you can't eat an entire cake or a whole Pizza.
Depends on the size, I can eat a while individual pizza for less than half my days needs. But I usually prefer to split it for more protein0 -
Because it's hard to accept the fact that you have had control over your weight all along. And, also, that food isn't the problem - you are.
It's so much easier to blame food than accept responsibility and take the time to understand portion control. And, it's much easier to forgive yourself for your failings when you believe that fad diets, crash diets and highly restrictive diets are the only way to lose weight. Because, those diets are hard to do comfortably and most people fail at them.
It's also easier to blame food, then to get up and go to the gym every day.
You get the same reaction when you tell them they can eat more than 1200 calories, or they don't have to exercise. You're taking away their excuses.0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »I see this many times each day on the forums. Question: "What can I eat that will make me lose fat?" (Almost) collective answer: "You can eat anything you like as long as you are in a calorie deficit." Reaction is in 99.99% of cases, disbelief, mistrust, frustration, even anger. Why? I was over myself from joy when I realised that I could still eat candy at birthdays and that low fat diet foods weren't necessary to lose and maintain weight.
I know when I realized that I could lose weight just by simply watching my calorie intake I was kind of disgusted and angry with myself for wasting so many years doing overly complicated things when this is so ridiculously easy. I didn't disbelieve it because it was working for me but there was definitely a feeling like I had been stupid and scammed. Then I was happy. Super happy.
Some people want fast, magic weight loss. They don't want to hear that it should take months or years to lose weight. They want to lose 50 lbs in a month and be strutting around in a bikini. Their friend/co-worker/family member lost weight quicker than that cutting everything out of their diet or doing crazy stuff so they must have to do that too.
You are probably the first person I've heard claim that losing weight is so ridiculously easy. Unfortunately the majority of people struggle.0 -
Because it's hard to accept the fact that you have had control over your weight all along. And, also, that food isn't the problem - you are.
It's so much easier to blame food than accept responsibility and take the time to understand portion control. And, it's much easier to forgive yourself for your failings when you believe that fad diets, crash diets and highly restrictive diets are the only way to lose weight. Because, those diets are hard to do comfortably and most people fail at them.
It's also easier to blame food, then to get up and go to the gym every day.
You get the same reaction when you tell them they can eat more than 1200 calories, or they don't have to exercise. You're taking away their excuses.
Exactly. Because, while the theory is easy and it works, it IS hard to cobble together the willpower to make it happen. Much easier to give up before you start.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kristen6350 wrote: »Because people listen to media. Infomercials, ads in magazines, etc. They assume because of this information that dieting is a struggle and it's a thing you HAVE to do to get weight off.
This, I think, is the truth. And being older, it's something I never realized until I joined MFP. When I grew up, I didn't know anyone that didn't know weight loss was all about eating less calories than you burn. Adults, teens, children, it was just common sense. And maybe that's why the general public was thinner then.
It's truly been an eye opener for me how many people today don't know this. What the heck happened?
I think there's always been a lot of people who didn't know it.
I'm probably about your age, and when I was a kid there were all sorts of fad diets in magazines and stuff like the Scarsdale diet and the Beverly Hills diet (my mother bought the book and lots of diet books, although the only diets I recall her doing were "eating less" based and not faddy). There was also the no fat craze.
I was a senior in high school when the Scarsdale diet was published. I'm not familiar with the Beverly Hills diet.
I read the Beverly Hills Diet, but it was a long time ago. I'm trying to remember. I think you ate a single food all day or something. Or at a meal? Like only pineapple. I remember she really had a lot about pineapple in there. Or only salmon.
It was a crap book and crap diet. My mother and I read the book right after one another and decided we didn't even want to bother trying the diet.
There was, however, one good sentence in there. And I've never forgotten it. Regarding food and wanting the instant gratification of having it your mouth now? "No food is leaving the planet." (Or something to that effect.)
If its the one I'm remembering, you ate papaya first thing in the morning because it had a MIRACLE ENZYME. You then waited a set period of time before eating...something else, I don't remember. It was very big on food timing. I could be remembering the wrong one, I just remember some pinched little middle aged lady on Phil Donahue or some such, saying "PapaYA-PapaYEEEN!" over and over again. I also remember one comment she made that shocked the studio audience but that lots of MFPers would agree with today, "Don't ever buy low-fat or no-fat versions of stuff that is supposed to have fat. Stay away from Fat-free cheese, it's plastic. Eat the real thing." AFTER you've had your magical papaya, of course.
That lady could have been touting a different diet, of course. But, I think it was Beverly Hills.....
The Scarsdale one always makes me think of how the jerkwad doctor that wrote it ended up eating lead.0 -
It's just a case of choose your hard. Food restriction [higher volume of low calorie choices giving you a caloric deficit] or calorie restriction/moderation/portion size control.
I know that at the present moment I can't simply stop at eating one slice of deep dish pizza...
but that's my issue. I don't whine about my issues because I already know the solution. I know my issues pretty well.
I feel like most don't understand how difficult it is for a person to change [well, for me] a 30 year food abundance lifestyle to one of moderation... But, from what I gather from being here a while, the average user here can't relate to a lifetime of being morbidly obese or severely overweight. A lifetime of living in a caloric surplus, eating whatever you desired... generally speaking.
But I understand and agree with your post.
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I think the people who are really disappointed by the CICO answer are the habitual repeat dieters, some anorexics, who think they know how to lose weight by restricting one food or another. After all, they've experienced periodic success following that method.
There's a whole bunch of new people though who genuinely are seeking information and know no more than what the tabloids and the Facebook/Google ads are screaming at them.0 -
I wasn't disappointed - I was ecstatic. But at the same time, for over 30 years I tried losing weight the traditional way. I tried super-low calorie diets (I still can't face cantaloupe!) I suspect people are disappointed and hurt that they absorbed so much bad information.
It's also important to realize how much more accessible good information is. It is, I think, genuinely easier to be better informed about the choices available.
It also takes work to retrain our palate if we haven't grown up with a healthy foundation.
The disappointment may come from a certain amount of "what's the catch". "Oh, great, I can eat potatoes. 4 bites. And now I'm still hungry."
It's a balance, and the tipping point is different for everybody. Eat calorie dense foods in small portions. Eat nutritionally dense foods you like in larger portions. Move more. Celebrate the power you have to choose which things you will eat. Find trade-offs that work and do not leave you feeling cheated. Is a graham cracker with cream cheese as tasty as a piece of cheesecake? Of course not. But it's pretty darn tasty, and filling. For me, it's an acceptable day to day substitute. Will I choose the real cheesecake on occasion? You bet. And now I will share it, or walk more, or make healthier choices before and after, or some combination of the above.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »I read the Beverly Hills Diet, but it was a long time ago. I'm trying to remember. I think you ate a single food all day or something. Or at a meal? Like only pineapple. I remember she really had a lot about pineapple in there. Or only salmon.
Yes, that's it. All about avoiding certain combinations and specific foods (like grapefruit and pineapple) as magical weight loss foods. The idea was that if you ate only, say, pineapple or only, say, salmon (don't recall if salmon was part of it, but it could have been) on a particular day, you wouldn't gain.
Seems obvious now that there's only so much of one food the average person can eat, so it's just a calorie control trick.
At like age 12 I really wanted to do it (I wasn't overweight, but wanted to lose 5-10 lbs for some reason), and talked my mother into buying some grapefruit, but it turned out I hated grapefruit and couldn't manage to eat it, so I failed before having to talk my mom into buying the pineapple (which I loved).
I don't know if my mom ever read the book, and I'm sure she never actually tried it. She had a million diet books, though, and I read lots of them. I never actually did diet, however, as I was lucky enough to be okay with if never satisfied with my weight and lazy/focused on other things. I think that helped me a lot, ultimately, that I didn't ever diet until I was in my 30s and ready to actually learn about how it worked more rationally. I still soaked in some messed up ideas about food and all from my surroundings, the culture, my mom, etc., but in many ways also realized how bothersome they were so tried to resist them (I remember my mother often stopping for a dessert when out shopping with my sister and I--we got a treat too--and then telling us not to tell our dad).0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »I've known people who were in denial about how many calories they were eating. 'It's not fair I'm fat, I don't eat anything!". Accepting that it really comes down to calories would mean admitting that they really didn't live on a single slice of lettuce, that it might have been hitting McDonald's every night on the way home from work for a couple burgers, fries, shake and a couple apple pies. (In this instance, not referring to anyone else!)
Yup, what you eat in private you wear in public. There is no hiding it.
I think another thing is people don't know how to eat the right foods. They end up starving themselves because they continue eating the same food that got them overweight but just in smaller amounts then they fall off the "diet" because there is only so much starving someone can take.
Its all about tricks...Instead of pasta which is 200 cals a serving and a lot of people eat between 1-2 servings in a meal not including sauce, meat and veggies, you can switch it out for spaghetti squash or "zucchini pasta" for 30-45 cals per serving and get full...
A HUGE help for me is eat a huge amount of green/bright colored veggies and limit high starch ones.
On a side not:
Don't give me the bs that veggies don't fill you up. If you eat enough they will haha 0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »kristen6350 wrote: »Because people listen to media. Infomercials, ads in magazines, etc. They assume because of this information that dieting is a struggle and it's a thing you HAVE to do to get weight off.
This, I think, is the truth. And being older, it's something I never realized until I joined MFP. When I grew up, I didn't know anyone that didn't know weight loss was all about eating less calories than you burn. Adults, teens, children, it was just common sense. And maybe that's why the general public was thinner then.
It's truly been an eye opener for me how many people today don't know this. What the heck happened?
I think there's always been a lot of people who didn't know it.
I'm probably about your age, and when I was a kid there were all sorts of fad diets in magazines and stuff like the Scarsdale diet and the Beverly Hills diet (my mother bought the book and lots of diet books, although the only diets I recall her doing were "eating less" based and not faddy). There was also the no fat craze.
I was a senior in high school when the Scarsdale diet was published. I'm not familiar with the Beverly Hills diet.
I read the Beverly Hills Diet, but it was a long time ago. I'm trying to remember. I think you ate a single food all day or something. Or at a meal? Like only pineapple. I remember she really had a lot about pineapple in there. Or only salmon.
It was a crap book and crap diet. My mother and I read the book right after one another and decided we didn't even want to bother trying the diet.
There was, however, one good sentence in there. And I've never forgotten it. Regarding food and wanting the instant gratification of having it your mouth now? "No food is leaving the planet." (Or something to that effect.)
If its the one I'm remembering, you ate papaya first thing in the morning because it had a MIRACLE ENZYME. You then waited a set period of time before eating...something else, I don't remember. It was very big on food timing. I could be remembering the wrong one, I just remember some pinched little middle aged lady on Phil Donahue or some such, saying "PapaYA-PapaYEEEN!" over and over again. I also remember one comment she made that shocked the studio audience but that lots of MFPers would agree with today, "Don't ever buy low-fat or no-fat versions of stuff that is supposed to have fat. Stay away from Fat-free cheese, it's plastic. Eat the real thing." AFTER you've had your magical papaya, of course.
That lady could have been touting a different diet, of course. But, I think it was Beverly Hills.....
The Scarsdale one always makes me think of how the jerkwad doctor that wrote it ended up eating lead.
That might be it. She was big on enzymes. Pineapple had an enzyme too, I think. Or maybe it was papaya I was thinking of and I'm just remembering it wrong. But I thought a pineapple was on the cover?
I feel so old sometimes with how bad my memory is.
I'm with you on the Scarsdale guy.
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I can't say I've seen anyone on here getting genuinely angry at being told there's no magic foods or bad foods.0
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I know in my own personal experience, it takes a lot more energy for me to weigh and measure and CICO than it does to simply avoid X category of food (which is much more intuitive). So while in a way it is a LOT more liberating to realize that I can occasionally indulge my cravings if I budget properly, it was a bit of overwhelming and almost disappointing to finally understand that I just had to log everything (possibly forever) every single day, which for my personality is emotionally taxing. It was much easier to just stop eating sugar, or dairy, or grains or whatever the demonized food of the time was. Of course, it didn't work and CICO does, but that's why it took me a little while to really accept the idea.0
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