The joys of office broscience - misguided food/nutrition advice
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Don't blame IIFYM on stupid people. 34g of fat, 47g of carbs and 24 g or protein doesn't fit nobody's macros haha...unless you include the maggots you find in em sometimes. The the protein shoots up but even then....0 -
upgradeddiddy wrote: »
Don't blame IIFYM on stupid people. 34g of fat, 47g of carbs and 24 g or protein doesn't fit nobody's macros haha
I suggest you go ask some of the IIFYM proponents around here who brag about how they always make room for McDonald's, ice cream, cheesecake, and anything else they want.0 -
And a close second - the ever-popular "Starvation mode".
Yes, there is the metabolic slowdown which comes as a result of it requiring less energy (fewer calories) to fuel less mass (150 pounds vs. 200 pounds).
But absent an extended period (six months, as best as I can gauge with my quick skim of the research) of extreme calorie deficit (half of one's bmr, again from my quick skim of the research), "starvation mode" is likely not an issue.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »longshadows17 wrote: »Also, the time I checked vegetarian options for a sandwich, and was handed a turkey sandwich.
I said, this is meat... and was told, "It isn't meat. It's turkey!"
Yeah, when did people start claiming that poultry or "white meat" isn't meat? Having to explain that fish is meat (yes, I know it doesn't count as meat during Lent), was bad enough, but I've only recently run into this weirdness and it makes me crazy.
(I'm not even a vegetarian, but just be sensible!)
I still don't know why fish is okay to eat during Lent, but not other meats. Is it because of the fishes and loaves miracle?
Because the Catholic church owned like all the fisheries and so "fasting proves you love God and that's the best, but you know, buy our stuff 'kay?"0 -
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Shikonneko wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »longshadows17 wrote: »Also, the time I checked vegetarian options for a sandwich, and was handed a turkey sandwich.
I said, this is meat... and was told, "It isn't meat. It's turkey!"
Yeah, when did people start claiming that poultry or "white meat" isn't meat? Having to explain that fish is meat (yes, I know it doesn't count as meat during Lent), was bad enough, but I've only recently run into this weirdness and it makes me crazy.
(I'm not even a vegetarian, but just be sensible!)
I still don't know why fish is okay to eat during Lent, but not other meats. Is it because of the fishes and loaves miracle?
Because the Catholic church owned like all the fisheries and so "fasting proves you love God and that's the best, but you know, buy our stuff 'kay?"
I recall a story of some monk or priest in the Middle Ages declaring rabbits to be fish so they could be eaten during Lent. Can't find a source on that one, though.
I do know that French Canadian Catholics had beaver classified as a fish for a time, however. They swim so well, they must be part fish!0 -
upgradeddiddy wrote: »
Don't blame IIFYM on stupid people. 34g of fat, 47g of carbs and 24 g or protein doesn't fit nobody's macros haha...unless you include the maggots you find in em sometimes. The the protein shoots up but even then....
Fits mine just fine, thank you very much. Never found any maggots in my fast food, either.0 -
upgradeddiddy wrote: »
Don't blame IIFYM on stupid people. 34g of fat, 47g of carbs and 24 g or protein doesn't fit nobody's macros haha...unless you include the maggots you find in em sometimes. The the protein shoots up but even then....
OK. We won't blame IIFYM on you.
Those macros for one meal are fine, in context of an entire day. Just because you don't know how to make it work doesn't mean anything.0 -
upgradeddiddy wrote: »
Don't blame IIFYM on stupid people. 34g of fat, 47g of carbs and 24 g or protein doesn't fit nobody's macros haha...unless you include the maggots you find in em sometimes. The the protein shoots up but even then....
Huh what? I mean, assuming you eat nothing but a Big Mac meal all day, sure, it's not going to fit your macros so well, but if you eat other foods, well, you can have something with less carbs and fat and more protein for dinner (like, you know, chicken breast or something).
About the diet coke, it's all about what's worth the calories and what isn't. It didn't use to make sense to me either, or why my diabetic mother complained about having to eat pasta but always had toast for breakfast, and a piece of cheesecake when she came over, but now I totally get it... it's about what people think is worth the calories (or carbs, in my mom's case) and what isn't. Like, I could have a massive cheat day with 4000 calories of food but still not touch alcohol because it's just not worth the calories to me.0 -
upgradeddiddy wrote: »
Don't blame IIFYM on stupid people. 34g of fat, 47g of carbs and 24 g or protein doesn't fit nobody's macros haha...unless you include the maggots you find in em sometimes. The the protein shoots up but even then....
Fits mine just fine, thank you very much. Never found any maggots in my fast food, either.
It's a mind trick. Some people need to make things seem ugly so they don't want them any longer.
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CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »HA, I just looked up the military diet & I am confused as to how hot dogs and saltines are supposed to help you get healthier. I mean, I have had MREs that have been more nutritionally balanced. Not to mention, I gained like 20 lbs the first year I was in the military because of my love for the chow hall and daily grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.
Same here, I don't know anyone who lost weight the first couple of years in the military - unless they were already overweight and put on restrictions.
I was overweight and not put on any restrictions (dunno what you mean by restrictions anyways) we all ate at the same time at the same chow hall and the same food at the same time (in basic anyways). I knew plenty of ppl who lost weight in basic. I would say the majority lost some.
I was a peanut when I joined, so I didn't lose anything in basic - I gained muscle. The gaining came when marching to school & running after did nothing to curb the grilled ham & cheeses & little Debbie overload.
For me some of the gaining back came due to too much German Beer and Brats Yes there is a thing as too much beer. Gosh I loved Germany.0 -
CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »HA, I just looked up the military diet & I am confused as to how hot dogs and saltines are supposed to help you get healthier. I mean, I have had MREs that have been more nutritionally balanced. Not to mention, I gained like 20 lbs the first year I was in the military because of my love for the chow hall and daily grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.
Same here, I don't know anyone who lost weight the first couple of years in the military - unless they were already overweight and put on restrictions.
I was overweight and not put on any restrictions (dunno what you mean by restrictions anyways) we all ate at the same time at the same chow hall and the same food at the same time (in basic anyways). I knew plenty of ppl who lost weight in basic. I would say the majority lost some.
I was a peanut when I joined, so I didn't lose anything in basic - I gained muscle. The gaining came when marching to school & running after did nothing to curb the grilled ham & cheeses & little Debbie overload.
For me some of the gaining back came due to too much German Beer and Brats Yes there is a thing as too much beer. Gosh I loved Germany.
Man now I want beer.
and Big Macs, what the heck.
But I also don't want to feel gross, so I am chomping on my tuna & celery and I shall count it as a win.0 -
RealFoodisGood wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »There was this guy the other day at work who told me eating is "all about calories in calories out. It doesn't matter about what kind of food it is". You can feed your body anything and your body "is smart enough to sort all these things out".
I took everything within me not to let my jaw drop on the floor. Esp when he subsequently complained about not being able to ever get rid of his pot belly and complaining about taking all his medications for his chronic illnesses.
Office broscience. Sometimes scary.
Was that before or after you threw out the office candy?
You must be a blast at the company Holiday Party.
Oh, wait, you just make crap up and post it on the internet. So this story never happened anyway.
Moving along....
That was before. I don't get to have that kind of fun at the holiday party b/c it's mostly healthy food. There is sometimes the occasional cake made from garbage, and there's occasionally someone who will take a slice. The rest of us are usually having too much fun to notice who took it.... but it's not very hard to guess most of the time.
The rest of the cake gets tossed, but I don't get to do the tossing unfortunately (pout) b/c I'm not the catering company.
Actually, I've seen a lot of crap posted on the internet today: Let's see, there was caramel, donuts, cake....
Of course if you make cake from garbage people will be less likely to take any.
Why are donuts and cake always equated with crap too.....?0 -
RealFoodisGood wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »RealFoodisGood wrote: »There was this guy the other day at work who told me eating is "all about calories in calories out. It doesn't matter about what kind of food it is". You can feed your body anything and your body "is smart enough to sort all these things out".
I took everything within me not to let my jaw drop on the floor. Esp when he subsequently complained about not being able to ever get rid of his pot belly and complaining about taking all his medications for his chronic illnesses.
Office broscience. Sometimes scary.
Was that before or after you threw out the office candy?
You must be a blast at the company Holiday Party.
Oh, wait, you just make crap up and post it on the internet. So this story never happened anyway.
Moving along....
That was before. I don't get to have that kind of fun at the holiday party b/c it's mostly healthy food. There is sometimes the occasional cake made from garbage, and there's occasionally someone who will take a slice. The rest of us are usually having too much fun to notice who took it.... but it's not very hard to guess most of the time.
The rest of the cake gets tossed, but I don't get to do the tossing unfortunately (pout) b/c I'm not the catering company.
Actually, I've seen a lot of crap posted on the internet today: Let's see, there was caramel, donuts, cake....
Of course if you make cake from garbage people will be less likely to take any.
Why are donuts and cake always equated with crap too.....?
It really isn't fair.
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CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »HA, I just looked up the military diet & I am confused as to how hot dogs and saltines are supposed to help you get healthier. I mean, I have had MREs that have been more nutritionally balanced. Not to mention, I gained like 20 lbs the first year I was in the military because of my love for the chow hall and daily grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.
Same here, I don't know anyone who lost weight the first couple of years in the military - unless they were already overweight and put on restrictions.
I was overweight and not put on any restrictions (dunno what you mean by restrictions anyways) we all ate at the same time at the same chow hall and the same food at the same time (in basic anyways). I knew plenty of ppl who lost weight in basic. I would say the majority lost some.
I was a peanut when I joined, so I didn't lose anything in basic - I gained muscle. The gaining came when marching to school & running after did nothing to curb the grilled ham & cheeses & little Debbie overload.
For me some of the gaining back came due to too much German Beer and Brats Yes there is a thing as too much beer. Gosh I loved Germany.
Man now I want beer.
and Big Macs, what the heck.
But I also don't want to feel gross, so I am chomping on my tuna & celery and I shall count it as a win.
If I could get brats like the ones in Germany I would. But all the brats ive had in the US are nasty compared to those, as for the beer I no longer drink but If i was in Germany well its a good thing im not I guess.0 -
CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »HA, I just looked up the military diet & I am confused as to how hot dogs and saltines are supposed to help you get healthier. I mean, I have had MREs that have been more nutritionally balanced. Not to mention, I gained like 20 lbs the first year I was in the military because of my love for the chow hall and daily grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.
Same here, I don't know anyone who lost weight the first couple of years in the military - unless they were already overweight and put on restrictions.
I was overweight and not put on any restrictions (dunno what you mean by restrictions anyways) we all ate at the same time at the same chow hall and the same food at the same time (in basic anyways). I knew plenty of ppl who lost weight in basic. I would say the majority lost some.
I was a peanut when I joined, so I didn't lose anything in basic - I gained muscle. The gaining came when marching to school & running after did nothing to curb the grilled ham & cheeses & little Debbie overload.
For me some of the gaining back came due to too much German Beer and Brats Yes there is a thing as too much beer. Gosh I loved Germany.
Man now I want beer.
and Big Macs, what the heck.
But I also don't want to feel gross, so I am chomping on my tuna & celery and I shall count it as a win.
If I could get brats like the ones in Germany I would. But all the brats ive had in the US are nasty compared to those, as for the beer I no longer drink but If i was in Germany well its a good thing im not I guess.
Even in Wisconsin????0 -
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Something that has always boggled my mind, can someone explain the concept behind ordering a large Big Mac value meal and a diet coke?
She told me it was to save on cals...
It does save calories though. Maybe she wanted to treat herself but doesn't like to drink her calories?
I prefer diet coke to regular so I would do the same. I rarely eat fast food, but sometimes I fit it into my day if I'm craving it.0 -
CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »HA, I just looked up the military diet & I am confused as to how hot dogs and saltines are supposed to help you get healthier. I mean, I have had MREs that have been more nutritionally balanced. Not to mention, I gained like 20 lbs the first year I was in the military because of my love for the chow hall and daily grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.
Same here, I don't know anyone who lost weight the first couple of years in the military - unless they were already overweight and put on restrictions.
I was overweight and not put on any restrictions (dunno what you mean by restrictions anyways) we all ate at the same time at the same chow hall and the same food at the same time (in basic anyways). I knew plenty of ppl who lost weight in basic. I would say the majority lost some.
I was a peanut when I joined, so I didn't lose anything in basic - I gained muscle. The gaining came when marching to school & running after did nothing to curb the grilled ham & cheeses & little Debbie overload.
For me some of the gaining back came due to too much German Beer and Brats Yes there is a thing as too much beer. Gosh I loved Germany.
Man now I want beer.
and Big Macs, what the heck.
But I also don't want to feel gross, so I am chomping on my tuna & celery and I shall count it as a win.
If I could get brats like the ones in Germany I would. But all the brats ive had in the US are nasty compared to those, as for the beer I no longer drink but If i was in Germany well its a good thing im not I guess.
You mean Bratwurst?0 -
CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »HA, I just looked up the military diet & I am confused as to how hot dogs and saltines are supposed to help you get healthier. I mean, I have had MREs that have been more nutritionally balanced. Not to mention, I gained like 20 lbs the first year I was in the military because of my love for the chow hall and daily grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.
Same here, I don't know anyone who lost weight the first couple of years in the military - unless they were already overweight and put on restrictions.
I was overweight and not put on any restrictions (dunno what you mean by restrictions anyways) we all ate at the same time at the same chow hall and the same food at the same time (in basic anyways). I knew plenty of ppl who lost weight in basic. I would say the majority lost some.
I was a peanut when I joined, so I didn't lose anything in basic - I gained muscle. The gaining came when marching to school & running after did nothing to curb the grilled ham & cheeses & little Debbie overload.
For me some of the gaining back came due to too much German Beer and Brats Yes there is a thing as too much beer. Gosh I loved Germany.
Man now I want beer.
and Big Macs, what the heck.
But I also don't want to feel gross, so I am chomping on my tuna & celery and I shall count it as a win.
If I could get brats like the ones in Germany I would. But all the brats ive had in the US are nasty compared to those, as for the beer I no longer drink but If i was in Germany well its a good thing im not I guess.
Even in Wisconsin????
I should say in michigan I have not come across any even had a local German restaruant who made there own brats (Bratwrust yes) and did not come close.
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While we were getting our morning coffee my boss whips out a baggie, she says she is using only brown sugar in her coffee because its healthier for her and doesnt contain all that bad white sugar. She also says she's on a no carb diet and thats why she only eats crackers, cuz they dont have any carbs.0
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CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »CandiceMcD wrote: »HA, I just looked up the military diet & I am confused as to how hot dogs and saltines are supposed to help you get healthier. I mean, I have had MREs that have been more nutritionally balanced. Not to mention, I gained like 20 lbs the first year I was in the military because of my love for the chow hall and daily grilled ham and cheese sandwiches.
Same here, I don't know anyone who lost weight the first couple of years in the military - unless they were already overweight and put on restrictions.
I was overweight and not put on any restrictions (dunno what you mean by restrictions anyways) we all ate at the same time at the same chow hall and the same food at the same time (in basic anyways). I knew plenty of ppl who lost weight in basic. I would say the majority lost some.
I was a peanut when I joined, so I didn't lose anything in basic - I gained muscle. The gaining came when marching to school & running after did nothing to curb the grilled ham & cheeses & little Debbie overload.
For me some of the gaining back came due to too much German Beer and Brats Yes there is a thing as too much beer. Gosh I loved Germany.
Man now I want beer.
and Big Macs, what the heck.
But I also don't want to feel gross, so I am chomping on my tuna & celery and I shall count it as a win.
If I could get brats like the ones in Germany I would. But all the brats ive had in the US are nasty compared to those, as for the beer I no longer drink but If i was in Germany well its a good thing im not I guess.
Even in Wisconsin????
I should say in michigan I have not come across any even had a local German restaruant who made there own brats (Bratwrust yes) and did not come close.
You're close enough to WI (loads of Germans there) - try a butcher maybe? I hate to think of anyone living without good brats in their life
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Naptownbabi wrote: »While we were getting our morning coffee my boss whips out a baggie, she says she is using only brown sugar in her coffee because its healthier for her and doesnt contain all that bad white sugar. She also says she's on a no carb diet and thats why she only eats crackers, cuz they dont have any carbs.
Lol maybe brown sugar turns into that healthy brown fat I've been hearing about.
Cannot.even.comment on the crackers thing...so insane!0 -
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Naptownbabi wrote: »While we were getting our morning coffee my boss whips out a baggie, she says she is using only brown sugar in her coffee because its healthier for her and doesnt contain all that bad white sugar. She also says she's on a no carb diet and thats why she only eats crackers, cuz they dont have any carbs.
Does she not read the labels??? Oh the things people believe sometimes.0 -
upgradeddiddy wrote: »
Don't blame IIFYM on stupid people. 34g of fat, 47g of carbs and 24 g or protein doesn't fit nobody's macros haha
I suggest you go ask some of the IIFYM proponents around here who brag about how they always make room for McDonald's, ice cream, cheesecake, and anything else they want.
I will say this, yes you can portion control ice cream and etc to meet your daily requirement and yes it allows you to not completely give up the foods you love but come on! 34 g of fat! Even if you followed 40-40-30 carbs/protein/fat, most have already blown through a third if not half of their daily fat intake on the Big Mac alone while only getting maybe a tenth of protein and maybe, MAYBE a quarter of carbs. You would have to eat nothing but pure rice and the leanest of meat for the rest of the day to meet your macros after a Big Mac.
Don't get me wrong, my weekends are full of cheat meals and I do my best to follow IIFYM, but I also know that if I plan to down a pizza and some wine, I better be only drinking protein shakes, lean beef and spinach or else that's day is a fail for IIFYM. Same goes for this Big Mac and diet cola discussion.
Get butt hurt all you want but Big Macs are typically too big for IIFYM, just call it what it is, a cheat day
Sorry to latch on your response JPW, not directed at you. More so at everyone else who loves disgusting Big Macs. And FYI, I usually eat 20% fat on at 2500 calrorie diet which is 500 calories of fat a day, which equates to 56 g of fat a day. Even if I did the basic 30% for maintenance I would only be allotted 83 g.
Instead of a Big Mac 34 g in one sitting if rather have some 10 oz herbed seasoned chicken, triple the protein and less than half the fat or even better...get off my lazy *kitten* and cook a REAL burger for similar stats of the chicken.
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These are the two closest that I've been able to find after coming home from Germany. You can have better luck looking for German style brats in the fresh sausage case than froze "brats".
http://www.gasthofzg.com/events.html
http://www.kaiserhoff.org//menus/menu.html
http://garmischresort.com/0 -
I just always get annoyed when I tell people I'm just eating a deficit and try to introduce them to MFP, and they say "yeah you're on a diet". NO I'M NOT its not a diet, it's just eating less! I don't see what's confusing about it lol. why does everything health-related have to be called a "diet".
Well to be completely technical - the food you eat on a regular basis is your diet.
Rabbits eat a diet of clover and grass. Foxes eat a diet of rabbits, mice, fish, and squirrels. Etc.
I am not on a diet but I have a healthy diet.
That's what I always say! "diet" is what you eat. it just goes over people's heads and they go on to talk about whatever juice or shake diet they're on.0 -
Capricorn: Can only eat foods that their employer agrees to write off as a tax deduction
I work for a religious institution, so we're tax exempt. Does that count? If so, I get to eat ALL THE THINGS!0 -
upgradeddiddy wrote: »upgradeddiddy wrote: »
Don't blame IIFYM on stupid people. 34g of fat, 47g of carbs and 24 g or protein doesn't fit nobody's macros haha
I suggest you go ask some of the IIFYM proponents around here who brag about how they always make room for McDonald's, ice cream, cheesecake, and anything else they want.
I will say this, yes you can portion control ice cream and etc to meet your daily requirement and yes it allows you to not completely give up the foods you love but come on! 34 g of fat! Even if you followed 40-40-30 carbs/protein/fat, most have already blown through a third if not half of their daily fat intake on the Big Mac alone while only getting maybe a tenth of protein and maybe, MAYBE a quarter of carbs. You would have to eat nothing but pure rice and the leanest of meat for the rest of the day to meet your macros after a Big Mac.
Don't get me wrong, my weekends are full of cheat meals and I do my best to follow IIFYM, but I also know that if I plan to down a pizza and some wine, I better be only drinking protein shakes, lean beef and spinach or else that's day is a fail for IIFYM. Same goes for this Big Mac and diet cola discussion.
Get butt hurt all you want but Big Macs are typically too big for IIFYM, just call it what it is, a cheat day
Sorry to latch on your response JPW, not directed at you. More so at everyone else who loves disgusting Big Macs. And FYI, I usually eat 20% fat on at 2500 calrorie diet which is 500 calories of fat a day, which equates to 56 g of fat a day. Even if I did the basic 30% for maintenance I would only be allotted 83 g.
Instead of a Big Mac 34 g in one sitting if rather have some 10 oz herbed seasoned chicken, triple the protein and less than half the fat or even better...get off my lazy *kitten* and cook a REAL burger for similar stats of the chicken.
#realiifym
I think you may have misinterpreted the Y in IIFYM.
If I wanted to fit a Big Mac into my daily intake -- and I certainly could -- I would be doing it such that it fits my macros, not yours. It would still be "real" IIFYM, whatever that is; it wouldn't be a "cheat meal" or a "cheat day" or whatever you would like to call it.
(And I don't even like Big Macs. I'm a Jalapeno Double kind of guy, on the rare occasion I go to McD's.)0
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