Sugar free detox
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fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Let me break this down for you. Someone disagreeing with your opinion is not a troll. Not to mention that you were the first one to start slinging insults and calling names. If you're so confident in what you know, then know it. There's no need to throw a temper tantrum because someone else thinks differently.
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fitmomhappymom wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
You have no chance of looking as good physically or intellectually as I do. Your attempted insult is laughable. Your posts are based on drivel, not fact. If post based on fallacies and failed insults are all you have to offer, then you offer nothing of value.
You haven't addressed the very simple fact that you demonize sugar from one source, yet canonize the exact same compound from elsewhere ... it is a contradictory position.
LOL ok.
I say I want to eat less cake, and 30 random strangers jump down my throat telling me I'll die without cake.
You can use whatever Google search you'd like to justify being a complete DB, but the fact still remains.
I feel like I've said all that needs to be said and you obviously understand the point I'm making, but the fact that you're just an internet troll will not allow you to admit this. It's sad that people who are probably very lovely face to face can be such jerks online just because they're unhappy with themselves.
Oh well.
I'm going to stick with my goal to eat less junk food. Good luck on your goals.
way to move the goalposts...
you tried to distinguish types of sugar, and then got called on it; so then you tried to go the passive aggressive name calling route, and got called on that too; and then you created strawman about people saying that they would "die without cake"..
oh, and I forgot to mention the part where anyone who disagrees with you is a troll ..
let me guess what comes next, we are all mean and bullies...
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Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »You mean quitting sugar for a while?
Yup. It went fine. I didn't eat it for a very long time, but if you're looking to do it in order to cut back, it's not necessary to give it up for more than a few weeks.
It changed my taste, and I was satisfied with a much less sweet taste after that, and also with much less in the amount of sweet things it took to satisfy me.
I no longer liked milk chocolate (with an exception or two), I preferred dark chocolate.
I eat small amounts of sugary treats now in moderation.
This.
I only quit it long enough to get my sweet tooth under control. Now I eat sugar every day in small amounts.
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fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
You are responding to a construct of your imagination. I haven't bashed anyone, I am not advocating for or against sugar.
Nobody is attacking you for juicing. What is being challenged (not attacked) is the misinformation. Juicing is no more a treatment for "sugar addiction" than bourbon is a treatment for alcoholism. And the division you recognize between "artificial" sugar and the sugar in juice is imaginary.
Your insistence that everyone who disagrees with you is a troll is nothing more than a tactic to avoid debate. And "googling"? Are you seriously saying that you'd prefer a forum where people don't check facts? Okay, well, it sounds like you have found one, a forum where "support" is king and facts are secondary. Maybe you would be happier there than a forum where assertions are expected to have a foundation in science and reality.
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fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
I agree with her - there might be finite details on the issue of juicing without pulp, but the fact remains that processed foods that contain sugar have less chewing resistance and therefore contribute to a higher blood sugar count - which then allows that food to be turned into fat very quickly, versus a piece of fruit.
I agree with her assertion that the forums are toxic in nature - and there are a few people who just endear themselves to not understanding the Dale Carnegie method of dealing with the world.
The issue is not whether we should all be friends. The issue here is protocol. We are all weak, I am weak and succumb to a weakened sense of civility - but overall when I see the same people responding in the same vitriolic manner over and over again, it does give me great pause and I wonder WHY.
Just be civil and move on. She deserves better treatment than that. A gentleman would most assuredly treat others with respect - not with malice, vitriol and despicableness.
I think if MFP Premium is to be introduced, anyone wishing to participate in the forums should pay a membership fee to do so. In fact, I will inquire on that - that may remove much of the vitriol that exists in the forums and allow for more discourse overall.0 -
OP: I skimmed this thread, 'cause I pretty much knew what I would find. Sugar is a very sensitive topic around here, as are detoxes, so the title of your thread was like dangling a nice hunk of raw meat out for some sharks.
There is some kind of prevailing belief out in the world right now that added/"refined" sugar is equivalent to poison and we all need to completely eliminate it from our diets, which is not true. It is that idea that people here oppose, because it's false and the demonization sugar is really not helpful and frankly very annoying.
HOWEVER, what a lot of the "pro-sugar" peeps, for lack of a better term, often fail to take into consideration is that a lot of foods with added/"refined" sugar are also higher in calories, and are also often very difficult for people to consume in moderation. So cutting/reducing those kinds of sweets from your diet can be beneficial if you're trying to lose weight.
So basically... you do you. Cutting out sugar is not going to hurt you any more than continuing to eat it will. So make your choices based on you.
And the reason I even commented at all was just to say - you will probably feel like crap for the first week or two. I didn't intentionally cut sugar, but a natural result of cutting calories for me was greatly reduced sugar intake and I was a raving b*tch for about two weeks.
Also, strawberries are delicious.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
I agree with her - there might be finite details on the issue of juicing without pulp, but the fact remains that processed foods that contain sugar have less chewing resistance and therefore contribute to a higher blood sugar count - which then allows that food to be turned into fat very quickly, versus a piece of fruit.
I agree with her assertion that the forums are toxic in nature - and there are a few people who just endear themselves to not understanding the Dale Carnegie method of dealing with the world.
The issue is not whether we should all be friends. The issue here is protocol. We are all weak, I am weak and succumb to a weakened sense of civility - but overall when I see the same people responding in the same vitriolic manner over and over again, it does give me great pause and I wonder WHY.
Just be civil and move on. She deserves better treatment than that. A gentleman would most assuredly treat others with respect - not with malice, vitriol and despicableness.
I think if MFP Premium is to be introduced, anyone wishing to participate in the forums should pay a membership fee to do so. In fact, I will inquire on that - that may remove much of the vitriol that exists in the forums and allow for more discourse overall.
Who are you talking to here? All the insults have been made by the person you are defending. She made factual errors, which people tried to address. She then made it personal.
What statements, specifically, do you find toxic? Because I think the assumption that anyone who disagrees with the facts in your post is a troll who is failing to meet their own goals is a pretty toxic one.0 -
fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
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fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
Who said eating excessive amounts of "junk" is fine? All anyone has said is that a sugar detox, or any other detox, is not necessary for results. And also that 'detoxing' from sugar by drinking juice is funny...because it is.
All of the negative connotations in this discussion are your own, and you're the only one throwing "troll" "DB" and "jerk" around, because those aren't insults, amirite?
Perhaps it's time for you to get back to that other popular fitness community where everyone tells you how awesome you are all the time and no one dares to try and stop the spreading of misinformation.0 -
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fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
I agree with her - there might be finite details on the issue of juicing without pulp, but the fact remains that processed foods that contain sugar have less chewing resistance and therefore contribute to a higher blood sugar count - which then allows that food to be turned into fat very quickly, versus a piece of fruit.
I agree with her assertion that the forums are toxic in nature - and there are a few people who just endear themselves to not understanding the Dale Carnegie method of dealing with the world.
The issue is not whether we should all be friends. The issue here is protocol. We are all weak, I am weak and succumb to a weakened sense of civility - but overall when I see the same people responding in the same vitriolic manner over and over again, it does give me great pause and I wonder WHY.
Just be civil and move on. She deserves better treatment than that. A gentleman would most assuredly treat others with respect - not with malice, vitriol and despicableness.
I think if MFP Premium is to be introduced, anyone wishing to participate in the forums should pay a membership fee to do so. In fact, I will inquire on that - that may remove much of the vitriol that exists in the forums and allow for more discourse overall.
I double checked the posts, most of the insults started from her. The first thing I can see on the subject that would be classed as an insult is 'It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic', followed by 'The logical inconsistencies in your post are astounding', both against her. Ok, first one's a bit sarcastic, but they're both making points, they're not just pure insults. She responds by calling them trolls, people say again that sugar is sugar regardless of where it's from, and she again says they're trolls, jerks and 'You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.' After that it descends more into insults and anger.
So I guess it depends how bad you think the first couple of comments are, but I'd hardly call them 'toxic'. Toxic is when someone says they hope you die, that they have no time to explain why you're wrong because they need to hire someone to kill you as quickly as possible, that you're a plague on humanity and they hope you get cancer, all of which I've been told before on other websites. I wouldn't say that being told your argument is illogical qualifies as toxic.
Also requiring MFP premium in order to post on the forums would suck for the new people who needed help.0 -
DemoraFairy wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
I agree with her - there might be finite details on the issue of juicing without pulp, but the fact remains that processed foods that contain sugar have less chewing resistance and therefore contribute to a higher blood sugar count - which then allows that food to be turned into fat very quickly, versus a piece of fruit.
I agree with her assertion that the forums are toxic in nature - and there are a few people who just endear themselves to not understanding the Dale Carnegie method of dealing with the world.
The issue is not whether we should all be friends. The issue here is protocol. We are all weak, I am weak and succumb to a weakened sense of civility - but overall when I see the same people responding in the same vitriolic manner over and over again, it does give me great pause and I wonder WHY.
Just be civil and move on. She deserves better treatment than that. A gentleman would most assuredly treat others with respect - not with malice, vitriol and despicableness.
I think if MFP Premium is to be introduced, anyone wishing to participate in the forums should pay a membership fee to do so. In fact, I will inquire on that - that may remove much of the vitriol that exists in the forums and allow for more discourse overall.
Toxic is when someone says they hope you die, that they have no time to explain why you're wrong because they need to hire someone to kill you as quickly as possible, that you're a plague on humanity and they hope you get cancer, all of which I've been told before on other websites. I wouldn't say that being told your argument is illogical qualifies as toxic.
Darn, girl. You hang out in some rough places.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
I agree with her - there might be finite details on the issue of juicing without pulp, but the fact remains that processed foods that contain sugar have less chewing resistance and therefore contribute to a higher blood sugar count - which then allows that food to be turned into fat very quickly, versus a piece of fruit.
I agree with her assertion that the forums are toxic in nature - and there are a few people who just endear themselves to not understanding the Dale Carnegie method of dealing with the world.
The issue is not whether we should all be friends. The issue here is protocol. We are all weak, I am weak and succumb to a weakened sense of civility - but overall when I see the same people responding in the same vitriolic manner over and over again, it does give me great pause and I wonder WHY.
Just be civil and move on. She deserves better treatment than that. A gentleman would most assuredly treat others with respect - not with malice, vitriol and despicableness.
I think if MFP Premium is to be introduced, anyone wishing to participate in the forums should pay a membership fee to do so. In fact, I will inquire on that - that may remove much of the vitriol that exists in the forums and allow for more discourse overall.
so you agree with person posting pseudo science and insulting everyone else...
why do I not find that surprising...
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ThisOrderedLife wrote: »I dont eat purified sugar... I cook from scratch and when I rarely bake I use fruits or a little honey to sweeten
I don't have a sweet tooth, already liked dark chocolate like to eat iwth with a bit of salt on it
I do eat refined sugar in baked goods / foods ... I cook from scratch and when I bake I use the recipe
I don't have a particularly sweet tooth either and I like dark chocolate .. and salted caramel and ice cream bars omnomnom
what I do is watch my overall calories, my protein intake and my fibre .. the rest can just fall where it falls ... weight loss and maintenance should be how you can live for life
Neither the OP nor the poster you quoted ever mentioned their worries about "weight loss" or "maintenance"
Isn't it cool how we always assume people must be concerned about certain things when they aren't?0 -
fitmomhappymom wrote: »
These juices were made of only fruits and veggies. Look up the website and you will see what I mean. Obviously my goal was to reduce the amount of artificial sugar, not natural sugars.lemurcat12 wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Juice is basically pure sugar, without even the fiber that people always says makes fruit different.
The sugar is the same. Juice has some additional nutrients, but it's like the worst thing in the world if you are really trying to cut sugar or think you react to sugar somehow.
Fruit has fiber that slows overall digestion, but juice does not.0 -
ThisOrderedLife wrote: »I dont eat purified sugar... I cook from scratch and when I rarely bake I use fruits or a little honey to sweeten
I don't have a sweet tooth, already liked dark chocolate like to eat iwth with a bit of salt on it
I do eat refined sugar in baked goods / foods ... I cook from scratch and when I bake I use the recipe
I don't have a particularly sweet tooth either and I like dark chocolate .. and salted caramel and ice cream bars omnomnom
what I do is watch my overall calories, my protein intake and my fibre .. the rest can just fall where it falls ... weight loss and maintenance should be how you can live for life
Neither the OP nor the poster you quoted ever mentioned their worries about "weight loss" or "maintenance"
Isn't it cool how we always assume people must be concerned about certain things when they aren't?
isn't it cool how some people love to referee the forums...
last time I checked you were allowed to express an opinion in an open, public, forum, regardless of topic...0 -
coreyreichle wrote: »
Glucose is not sugar. Your body can produce all the glucose it needs just fine without eating a HoHo or drinking orange juice.
*Unless you're being pedantic and pretending the OP is discussing removing all glucose from her body and not refined sugars.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
I agree with her - there might be finite details on the issue of juicing without pulp, but the fact remains that processed foods that contain sugar have less chewing resistance and therefore contribute to a higher blood sugar count - which then allows that food to be turned into fat very quickly, versus a piece of fruit.
I agree with her assertion that the forums are toxic in nature - and there are a few people who just endear themselves to not understanding the Dale Carnegie method of dealing with the world.
The issue is not whether we should all be friends. The issue here is protocol. We are all weak, I am weak and succumb to a weakened sense of civility - but overall when I see the same people responding in the same vitriolic manner over and over again, it does give me great pause and I wonder WHY.
Just be civil and move on. She deserves better treatment than that. A gentleman would most assuredly treat others with respect - not with malice, vitriol and despicableness.
I think if MFP Premium is to be introduced, anyone wishing to participate in the forums should pay a membership fee to do so. In fact, I will inquire on that - that may remove much of the vitriol that exists in the forums and allow for more discourse overall.
Who are you talking to here? All the insults have been made by the person you are defending. She made factual errors, which people tried to address. She then made it personal.
What statements, specifically, do you find toxic? Because I think the assumption that anyone who disagrees with the facts in your post is a troll who is failing to meet their own goals is a pretty toxic one.
I firmly believe that if MFP Premium introduced a paid subscription linking forums to it that certain individuals on here who troll and flame well-articulated responses (even ones that may not be factually correct) will no longer parade themselves on the forums.
Responding with GIFs and such is just another method of trolling. It's toxic and adds no real substantial positive
Do I defend 100% her method of responding to anyone who responded to her arguments, no, but I think the flame adding to the originating flame is part of the problem. Stop flaming and then maybe we can see the forums become more conducive to a civil discussion. It's obvious this has happened before to her - the minute someone flamed a response is what set it off. The responses were inflammatory - they were directed at her and were directed in such a way that one could conclude the act of trolling.
Nitpicking an argument that requires an abundance of high quality analysis and qualification is really not possible on this forum. One misspelling, one missed word, one of anything and the whole thing blows up when people are responding with vitriol.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »By "artificial sugar" do you mean "sugar refined from the sugar cane plant"?
Could be refined from the sugar beet plant! ;-)
In one of these threads last week I looked up a fudge place on Mackinac Island (because IMO that's the only fudge worth having), and it was going on about all local ingredients, including local sugar from local sugar beets. (Also going on about being gluten free, heh, although nice for the celiacs out there.)0 -
I'm tempted to go the other direction with this as the title actually says ... a 'sugar free' detox ...ie remove everything sugar free from my diet ...add refined sugars to like my steaks, etc ..
(Not really, just an amusing idea)0 -
fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
If you juice, you are removing the fiber. How is that healthy? Most people don't get enough fiber anyway so why not eat the fruits and veggies and get added benefits rather than removing benefits?
I never understand this either.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Please take a moment to review the OP's original question, and then review my response. Now please tell me how your sugar advocacy has anything to do with either of these? OP asked questions pertaining to their goal of reducing the amount of sugar they consume. OP had a goal, you don't agree with that goal because it's not your goal so you bash everyone who also shares this goal. How is that behavior you can defend?janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
Take it how you want it, but I feel better when I eat less candy bars and cake. I find it humorous that you are so much of a troll that you would find something to argue about in that statement. You'd think all that junk food you're advocating would make you just a little sweeter on the inside, I guess not.janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
There is more than one way to meet your goals, but there isn't more than one set of facts.
So like I've said over and over and over, my goal is to eat less of this stuff. Why you have such an issue with my personal fitness goals, I have no idea. I guess that's just the nature of a troll. Maybe when you start seeing the results you'd like to see, you'll be a little happier with yourself and a little less of a jerk.
Just because people disagree doesn't make them trolls.
I'm not arguing that you feel better when you eat fewer candy bars and cake. I rarely eat them myself, so I can understand. Nobody has an issue with your personal fitness goals. Every single statement so far (that I've seen) has been simply about the misinformation that you're attempting to spread.
I'm happy with my results. I'm not sure why you are projecting so much, but would you like to keep this conversation about the facts and leave the personal stuff out of it? Or is the personal stuff what you prefer to focus on?
Nobody cares why you think eating excessive amounts of junk is just fine, because after all you're just a stranger on the Internet. OP was asking questions related to their goal, not asking you to weigh in on why you thought their goal was stupid.
I responded with my experience related to this goal and the trolls of MFP decided to attack me for juicing and for saying next time around I'm just going to try to eat a little less sugar than the day before. Both my experiences and opinions, which are what was requested.
I've been a member of MFP for a few years now and every time I venture into the forums I'm disappointed that they've been taken over by trolls such as yourself. It didn't used to be this way here and it's sad that this isn't the supportive environment it could be.
The funny part is I'm a member of another popular fitness communitity with the mantra of "no excuses" where every one supports each other and there is no trolling, and guess what? Everyone is thriving and meeting their goals. Positive attitudes and support count for way more than your trolling and googling. Just because some one else is succeeding doesn't mean you're failing, you don't have to be so negative just because my methods to success are different from yours.
Have a nice day.
I agree with her - there might be finite details on the issue of juicing without pulp, but the fact remains that processed foods that contain sugar have less chewing resistance and therefore contribute to a higher blood sugar count - which then allows that food to be turned into fat very quickly, versus a piece of fruit.
I agree with her assertion that the forums are toxic in nature - and there are a few people who just endear themselves to not understanding the Dale Carnegie method of dealing with the world.
The issue is not whether we should all be friends. The issue here is protocol. We are all weak, I am weak and succumb to a weakened sense of civility - but overall when I see the same people responding in the same vitriolic manner over and over again, it does give me great pause and I wonder WHY.
Just be civil and move on. She deserves better treatment than that. A gentleman would most assuredly treat others with respect - not with malice, vitriol and despicableness.
I think if MFP Premium is to be introduced, anyone wishing to participate in the forums should pay a membership fee to do so. In fact, I will inquire on that - that may remove much of the vitriol that exists in the forums and allow for more discourse overall.
Who are you talking to here? All the insults have been made by the person you are defending. She made factual errors, which people tried to address. She then made it personal.
What statements, specifically, do you find toxic? Because I think the assumption that anyone who disagrees with the facts in your post is a troll who is failing to meet their own goals is a pretty toxic one.
I firmly believe that if MFP Premium introduced a paid subscription linking forums to it that certain individuals on here who troll and flame well-articulated responses (even ones that may not be factually correct) will no longer parade themselves on the forums.
Responding with GIFs and such is just another method of trolling. It's toxic and adds no real substantial positive
Do I defend 100% her method of responding to anyone who responded to her arguments, no, but I think the flame adding to the originating flame is part of the problem. Stop flaming and then maybe we can see the forums become more conducive to a civil discussion. It's obvious this has happened before to her - the minute someone flamed a response is what set it off. The responses were inflammatory - they were directed at her and were directed in such a way that one could conclude the act of trolling.
Nitpicking an argument that requires an abundance of high quality analysis and qualification is really not possible on this forum. One misspelling, one missed word, one of anything and the whole thing blows up when people are responding with vitriol.
I'll repeat the question: Which responses, specifically, do you find toxic?0 -
OP,
Asking people on internet how their experience was with certain things will not help you b'coz not everyone reacts the same way.
If you think sugar is bothering you to an extend that you feel the need to cut it out you gotta try it yourself to see how "you" react to you. And unless you don't try you'll never know.
People have different psychological behavior to the same situation.0 -
ThisOrderedLife wrote: »I dont eat purified sugar... I cook from scratch and when I rarely bake I use fruits or a little honey to sweeten
I don't have a sweet tooth, already liked dark chocolate like to eat iwth with a bit of salt on it
I do eat refined sugar in baked goods / foods ... I cook from scratch and when I bake I use the recipe
I don't have a particularly sweet tooth either and I like dark chocolate .. and salted caramel and ice cream bars omnomnom
what I do is watch my overall calories, my protein intake and my fibre .. the rest can just fall where it falls ... weight loss and maintenance should be how you can live for life
Neither the OP nor the poster you quoted ever mentioned their worries about "weight loss" or "maintenance"
Isn't it cool how we always assume people must be concerned about certain things when they aren't?
isn't it cool how some people love to referee the forums...
last time I checked you were allowed to express an opinion in an open, public, forum, regardless of topic...
Sure but at least be on the topic and answer what the OP is asking. Isn't this thread about the OP. I thought so.
EDTA : Bolded part that's when they say people who talk on a thread regardless of topic are considered "internet troll". They said no one takes them seriously.
Nevermind. You carry on your Sugar battle.0 -
ThisOrderedLife wrote: »I dont eat purified sugar... I cook from scratch and when I rarely bake I use fruits or a little honey to sweeten
I don't have a sweet tooth, already liked dark chocolate like to eat iwth with a bit of salt on it
I do eat refined sugar in baked goods / foods ... I cook from scratch and when I bake I use the recipe
I don't have a particularly sweet tooth either and I like dark chocolate .. and salted caramel and ice cream bars omnomnom
what I do is watch my overall calories, my protein intake and my fibre .. the rest can just fall where it falls ... weight loss and maintenance should be how you can live for life
Neither the OP nor the poster you quoted ever mentioned their worries about "weight loss" or "maintenance"
Isn't it cool how we always assume people must be concerned about certain things when they aren't?
isn't it cool how some people love to referee the forums...
last time I checked you were allowed to express an opinion in an open, public, forum, regardless of topic...
Sure but at least be on the topic and answer what the OP is asking. Isn't this thread about the OP. I thought so.
Thought so what? So people cannot give a personal opinion on the forums now?0 -
fitmomhappymom wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
You have no chance of looking as good physically or intellectually as I do. Your attempted insult is laughable. Your posts are based on drivel, not fact. If post based on fallacies and failed insults are all you have to offer, then you offer nothing of value.
You haven't addressed the very simple fact that you demonize sugar from one source, yet canonize the exact same compound from elsewhere ... it is a contradictory position.
LOL ok.
I say I want to eat less cake, and 30 random strangers jump down my throat telling me I'll die without cake.
Oh? Care to link?
(I almost never eat cake. I also don't drink juice, and am usually below my sugar guideline, although I don't much care. I don't pretend like there's some huge difference between the sugar I add to a rhubarb sauce and the sugar that is naturally in the pear I ate this morning, and I also see no reason why I should cut out all chocolate and ice cream when I can eat them in moderation and feel just fine. On the other hand, as I said to OP, I think it can be helpful for some, including me at one point, to cut down on sugary foods, especially if they are difficult to moderate. I would NEVER recommend replacing them with juice, though--that seems counterproductive. I always do recommend getting more whole fruits and veggies, though, and smoothies can be good if people find them easier to drink than eat.)0 -
ThisOrderedLife wrote: »I dont eat purified sugar... I cook from scratch and when I rarely bake I use fruits or a little honey to sweeten
I don't have a sweet tooth, already liked dark chocolate like to eat iwth with a bit of salt on it
I do eat refined sugar in baked goods / foods ... I cook from scratch and when I bake I use the recipe
I don't have a particularly sweet tooth either and I like dark chocolate .. and salted caramel and ice cream bars omnomnom
what I do is watch my overall calories, my protein intake and my fibre .. the rest can just fall where it falls ... weight loss and maintenance should be how you can live for life
Neither the OP nor the poster you quoted ever mentioned their worries about "weight loss" or "maintenance"
Isn't it cool how we always assume people must be concerned about certain things when they aren't?
isn't it cool how some people love to referee the forums...
last time I checked you were allowed to express an opinion in an open, public, forum, regardless of topic...
Sure but at least be on the topic and answer what the OP is asking. Isn't this thread about the OP. I thought so.
Thought so what? So people cannot give a personal opinion on the forums now?
Did you even read the entire post. No one is saying not to give personal opinion but at least stick to what the OP has asked. Won't you.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »
When I want to look like either of you, then perhaps I'll take your trolling advice.brianpperkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »fitmomhappymom wrote: »I did a juice "Detox" once where all you drink are these premade fresh juices for three day. They are comprised of real fruits and veggies, not one of those OTC or GNC juice detoxes. The one I ordered was from Squeezed Online. It was supposed to alleviate your food addictions (mine is sugar). I felt great after the detox, like some one had hit the reset button, but it didn't last more than a few months before I slowly started cycling artificial sugar back into my diet. This time around I'm just going to try every day to have less sugar than the previous day.
Addressing a "sugar addiction" by drinking only juice makes no sense. A juice fast is full of sugar.
It makes complete sense as long as you buy into hype over logic.
The OP asked a question, I responded with my experience which obviously you didn't read in its entirety. Anywho, I enjoyed the juices, I bought a juicer to make my own, and I would recommend it. If you don't subscribe to that notion, more power to you. There are more than one ways to meet your fitness goals and the method I like may not be the one you like. Either way I'm happy with my body, just as I'm sure you're happy with yours. So since we've established that I feel there is nothing more to discuss. Have a great day!
You have no chance of looking as good physically or intellectually as I do. Your attempted insult is laughable. Your posts are based on drivel, not fact. If post based on fallacies and failed insults are all you have to offer, then you offer nothing of value.
You haven't addressed the very simple fact that you demonize sugar from one source, yet canonize the exact same compound from elsewhere ... it is a contradictory position.
LOL ok.
I say I want to eat less cake, and 30 random strangers jump down my throat telling me I'll die without cake.
Oh? Care to link?
(I almost never eat cake. I also don't drink juice, and am usually below my sugar guideline, although I don't much care. I don't pretend like there's some huge difference between the sugar I add to a rhubarb sauce and the sugar that is naturally in the pear I ate this morning, and I also see no reason why I should cut out all chocolate and ice cream when I can eat them in moderation and feel just fine. On the other hand, as I said to OP, I think it can be helpful for some, including me at one point, to cut down on sugary foods, especially if they are difficult to moderate. I would NEVER recommend replacing them with juice, though--that seems counterproductive. I always do recommend getting more whole fruits and veggies, though, and smoothies can be good if people find them easier to drink than eat.)
TBF, there's the post on the first page stating unequivocally, if you don't eat sugar (not carbs, specifically sugar) you cannot survive.0
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