I am never hungry I have to force myself to eat and I just gain gain gain weight
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
never said it did, she has insulin resistance as well.galgenstrick wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I shared with the OP the possible causes of gaining weight while not eating a lot,by telling her about my daughter,letting her know it was possible with a health condition. where a lot of people were saying its not. hope that cleared up any confusion
If you have a health condition it doesn't change CICO. It just means that it's harder to get the CO side of the equation. For example, hypothyroidism may lower your BMR, so you're not burning as many calories throughout the day as someone with a normal BMR. Calories in calories out still applies.
You did say it:CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »it is possible to gain weight when you have health issues and arent eating enough food.
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Shouldn't this Charlie Bean person start his own thread? It's confusing to read this whole thing.0
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not tracking food
confused about weight gain
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Depression can manifest in many ways, including the lack of appetite. Go get some anti-depression medication, montior your food and liquid intake. /thread0
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ogmomma2012 wrote: »Depression can manifest in many ways, including the lack of appetite. Go get some anti-depression medication, montior your food and liquid intake. /thread
She is on an anti-depressant as well as anxiety meds.0 -
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All I can add is meticulously weigh, measure and log your food for a week or two. Be brutally honest with yourself, set your diary to private if you want to.
After doing this, reassess your numbers and if you're truly are eating such low calories and putting on weight or maintaining, Id be getting your butt to the doctor asap0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »Depression can manifest in many ways, including the lack of appetite. Go get some anti-depression medication, montior your food and liquid intake. /thread
She is on an anti-depressant as well as anxiety meds.
Don't these kind of meds make some people pack on the weight?
It still doesn't explain the supposed low calories and food hatred thing though....
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christinev297 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »Depression can manifest in many ways, including the lack of appetite. Go get some anti-depression medication, montior your food and liquid intake. /thread
She is on an anti-depressant as well as anxiety meds.
Don't these kind of meds make some people pack on the weight?
It still doesn't explain the supposed low calories and food hatred thing though....
Not the Wellbutrin, it actually helps some people lose weight. Sadly, I am not one of those people. :laugh: But it shouldn't be the culprit. I don't know about her other meds, though. Yet another reason she needs to speak truthfully with her doctor.
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christinev297 wrote: »ogmomma2012 wrote: »Depression can manifest in many ways, including the lack of appetite. Go get some anti-depression medication, montior your food and liquid intake. /thread
She is on an anti-depressant as well as anxiety meds.
Don't these kind of meds make some people pack on the weight?
It still doesn't explain the supposed low calories and food hatred thing though....
Medicine alone does not make you gain weight. They do not have the calories necessary to cause huge weight gain. What they can do is affect your appetite; either increasing or decreasing it.
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She apparently also has an aversion for asking for a different kind of medication; she stopped taking her meds for hypothyroid (levothyroxine) because it was causing her cystic acne.
OP, there are multiple medications to address many issues so you can feel "normal" and also have little or no side effects. I recommend you start there.0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »Depression can manifest in many ways, including the lack of appetite. Go get some anti-depression medication, montior your food and liquid intake. /thread
She is on an anti-depressant as well as anxiety meds.
Maybe they need to be changed, I doubt a doctor would keep a patient on a medication if it wasn't helping them. Maybe I've been on MFP too long... people who have problems with asking for more helpful medication/advice/weightloss issues... can't solve the problem if you don't do anything to help it along, right? No bash to OP, I'm just... ugh. Just do what you need to to, no need to make excuses to not get things fixed.0 -
missiontofitness wrote: »I came here to provide input, but I honestly have no idea where to begin.
Just repeat what everybody else are saying.
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missiontofitness wrote: »Medicine alone does not make you gain weight. They do not have the calories necessary to cause huge weight gain. What they can do is affect your appetite; either increasing or decreasing it.
Medication can also affect metabolism, and cause other changes (hormonal changes, water retention, sedation/lack of energy, etc), in addition to simply increasing or decreasing appetite. Some medications, like steroids, can even change the way fat is distributed in your body. Obviously whatever nutritional value the medication itself has, if any, isn't going to affect weight, but medicine alone CAN affect your body in such a way that previously successful habits will no longer allow you to lose or maintain weight, and make you gain even though you haven't increased your caloric intake.0 -
Rachelinthecity wrote: »missiontofitness wrote: »Medicine alone does not make you gain weight. They do not have the calories necessary to cause huge weight gain. What they can do is affect your appetite; either increasing or decreasing it.
Medication can also affect metabolism, and cause other changes (hormonal changes, water retention, sedation/lack of energy, etc), in addition to simply increasing or decreasing appetite. Some medications, like steroids, can even change the way fat is distributed in your body. Obviously whatever nutritional value the medication itself has, if any, isn't going to affect weight, but medicine alone CAN affect your body in such a way that previously successful habits will no longer allow you to lose or maintain weight, and make you gain even though you haven't increased your caloric intake.
Any links to scientificly proving that?
You gain weight when you eat to much calories ( more than you burn)
medication can effect the rate you lose ( timeline) and can give your more or less appetite that's all.
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »Rachelinthecity wrote: »missiontofitness wrote: »Medicine alone does not make you gain weight. They do not have the calories necessary to cause huge weight gain. What they can do is affect your appetite; either increasing or decreasing it.
Medication can also affect metabolism, and cause other changes (hormonal changes, water retention, sedation/lack of energy, etc), in addition to simply increasing or decreasing appetite. Some medications, like steroids, can even change the way fat is distributed in your body. Obviously whatever nutritional value the medication itself has, if any, isn't going to affect weight, but medicine alone CAN affect your body in such a way that previously successful habits will no longer allow you to lose or maintain weight, and make you gain even though you haven't increased your caloric intake.
Any links to scientificly proving that?
You gain weight when you eat to much calories ( more than you burn)
medication can effect the rate you lose ( timeline) and can give your more or less appetite that's all.
If you're hypothyroid for example, and you begin replacement therapy, your metabolism will increase to it's normal level. Likewise it will increase more if you take too much medication and become hyperthyroid.
I'm not sure about other medications, but certainly thyroid medications can affect your metabolism.0 -
A person can gain weight if his/her heart or kidneys aren't working properly. I have seen it in the hospital setting, but doubt that this is occurring in this individual--usually happens in older people. Also she may think that her thyroid medicine is causing her acne....I am not saying it is impossible but I have never seen it. More likely, her stress or something that she is eating may have caused it. It's possible that she is eating more than she thinks and it is causing her weight gain but she really needs to log to figure it out. Or better yet, go to the doctor where they can run a gamut of tests. IMHO0
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galgenstrick wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »Rachelinthecity wrote: »missiontofitness wrote: »Medicine alone does not make you gain weight. They do not have the calories necessary to cause huge weight gain. What they can do is affect your appetite; either increasing or decreasing it.
Medication can also affect metabolism, and cause other changes (hormonal changes, water retention, sedation/lack of energy, etc), in addition to simply increasing or decreasing appetite. Some medications, like steroids, can even change the way fat is distributed in your body. Obviously whatever nutritional value the medication itself has, if any, isn't going to affect weight, but medicine alone CAN affect your body in such a way that previously successful habits will no longer allow you to lose or maintain weight, and make you gain even though you haven't increased your caloric intake.
Any links to scientificly proving that?
You gain weight when you eat to much calories ( more than you burn)
medication can effect the rate you lose ( timeline) and can give your more or less appetite that's all.
If you're hypothyroid for example, and you begin replacement therapy, your metabolism will increase to it's normal level. Likewise it will increase more if you take too much medication and become hyperthyroid.
I'm not sure about other medications, but certainly thyroid medications can affect your metabolism.
it affects it yes but that is all But still you dont gain weight when you dont get calories surplus.
If that was true that those medication let you gain weight then we solved all the to skinny people problem in the world And vica versa.
It only makes it slower ( or faster)
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »Rachelinthecity wrote: »missiontofitness wrote: »Medicine alone does not make you gain weight. They do not have the calories necessary to cause huge weight gain. What they can do is affect your appetite; either increasing or decreasing it.
Medication can also affect metabolism, and cause other changes (hormonal changes, water retention, sedation/lack of energy, etc), in addition to simply increasing or decreasing appetite. Some medications, like steroids, can even change the way fat is distributed in your body. Obviously whatever nutritional value the medication itself has, if any, isn't going to affect weight, but medicine alone CAN affect your body in such a way that previously successful habits will no longer allow you to lose or maintain weight, and make you gain even though you haven't increased your caloric intake.
Any links to scientificly proving that?
You gain weight when you eat to much calories ( more than you burn)
medication can effect the rate you lose ( timeline) and can give your more or less appetite that's all.
If you're hypothyroid for example, and you begin replacement therapy, your metabolism will increase to it's normal level. Likewise it will increase more if you take too much medication and become hyperthyroid.
I'm not sure about other medications, but certainly thyroid medications can affect your metabolism.
it affects it yes but that is all But still you dont gain weight when you dont get calories surplus.
If that was true that those medication let you gain weight then we solved all the to skinny people problem in the world And vica versa.
It only makes it slower ( or faster)
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »Rachelinthecity wrote: »missiontofitness wrote: »Medicine alone does not make you gain weight. They do not have the calories necessary to cause huge weight gain. What they can do is affect your appetite; either increasing or decreasing it.
Medication can also affect metabolism, and cause other changes (hormonal changes, water retention, sedation/lack of energy, etc), in addition to simply increasing or decreasing appetite. Some medications, like steroids, can even change the way fat is distributed in your body. Obviously whatever nutritional value the medication itself has, if any, isn't going to affect weight, but medicine alone CAN affect your body in such a way that previously successful habits will no longer allow you to lose or maintain weight, and make you gain even though you haven't increased your caloric intake.
Any links to scientificly proving that?
You gain weight when you eat to much calories ( more than you burn)
medication can effect the rate you lose ( timeline) and can give your more or less appetite that's all.
If you're hypothyroid for example, and you begin replacement therapy, your metabolism will increase to it's normal level. Likewise it will increase more if you take too much medication and become hyperthyroid.
I'm not sure about other medications, but certainly thyroid medications can affect your metabolism.
it affects it yes but that is all But still you dont gain weight when you dont get calories surplus.
If that was true that those medication let you gain weight then we solved all the to skinny people problem in the world And vica versa.
It only makes it slower ( or faster)
Some people are also not used to the swings caused by water weight fluctuations - you can be doing everything right and the scale will be increasing if that's where the body is at, especially if you're taking a very micro short term view of the whole thing
But honestly the history of excuses we're learning is explaining things somewhat, because I was starting to not know the purpose of the whole thread anymore. The OP supposedly can barely consume enough calories to keep a baby alive and appears to have a little one to take care of, herself. So then create a thread so the people of the Internet can tell you what, exactly?? Best case scenario, what was the intended outcome?
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Maybe OP is sleep eating. Her body is probably thinking "Hey man, this chick doesn't give us enough food during the day so we will make her sleep eat instead so we can scoff some grub down"
Seriously OP. Losing your father must have been awful. Truly awful. You are on anti depressants and have a thyroid condition that you aren't medicating properly. You are not taking care of yourself and as someone who has suffered with depression in the past... We aren't always truthful to ourselves.
I would gain weight, be confused as to how and blame everything around me other than myself. Honey you are eating more than you burn. It's the only way we gain weight. I know you are eating what you assume is a small amount but well... Small amounts add up.
My suggestion is make weight loss NOT your number one priority right now. Make YOU your number one priority. You need some help with your grief. A new doctor to help with your thyroid and you need to get well as you do seem to have a really unhealthy relationship with food.
No one will be able to make this ok. Only you. Do it for you and think about how your father would feel to know his daughter is neglecting herself in such a heartbreaking way.
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galgenstrick wrote: »OP. I suggest reading up on this:
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node15.html
And apply that to your situation before making claims that you're eating less than you burn and gaining weight.Rachelinthecity wrote: »I think a lot of the people saying that it's not possible to gain weight if you're eating fewer calories than you're burning off aren't thinking about the fact that just because an app or a website says you should be burning X amount of calories doing a certain amount of physical activity, it doesn't mean your body is actually burning that amount. I mean, yes, if you eat 1000 calories in a day and your body burns off 2000 calories (just to use random numbers), you won't gain weight. But there's no way for us to know what your body is *actually* burning off, despite what general information says the average person "should" burn doing a given activity. Medication, hormonal issues, stress, thyroid problems, etc can all totally mess you up and your number won't necessarily line up with the norm.
I agree that "burn more than you eat" is useless advice for people with certain medical conditions. If because of a medical condition, you don't "burn", then you will store fat even on very restricted calories. So telling such people to eat less than they burn is virtually meaningless. How are they supposed to achieve it when most of what they eat is stored as fat and not utilized? In the meantime, they have no energy and feel like they are starving because they can't utilize those calories properly.
Admittedly, this may be rare and possibly not applicable to the OP, but facts should be acknowledged instead of repeatedly squawking "CICO, CICO" as the ultimate word in weight-loss advice. The CO side of the equation is widely variable for different people.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »OP. I suggest reading up on this:
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node15.html
And apply that to your situation before making claims that you're eating less than you burn and gaining weight.Rachelinthecity wrote: »I think a lot of the people saying that it's not possible to gain weight if you're eating fewer calories than you're burning off aren't thinking about the fact that just because an app or a website says you should be burning X amount of calories doing a certain amount of physical activity, it doesn't mean your body is actually burning that amount. I mean, yes, if you eat 1000 calories in a day and your body burns off 2000 calories (just to use random numbers), you won't gain weight. But there's no way for us to know what your body is *actually* burning off, despite what general information says the average person "should" burn doing a given activity. Medication, hormonal issues, stress, thyroid problems, etc can all totally mess you up and your number won't necessarily line up with the norm.
I agree that "burn more than you eat" is useless advice for people with certain medical conditions. If because of a medical condition, you don't "burn", then you will store fat even on very restricted calories. So telling such people to eat less than they burn is virtually meaningless. How are they supposed to achieve it when most of what they eat is stored as fat and not utilized? In the meantime, they have no energy and feel like they are starving because they can't utilize those calories properly.
Admittedly, this may be rare and possibly not applicable to the OP, but facts should be acknowledged instead of repeatedly squawking "CICO, CICO" as the ultimate word in weight-loss advice. The CO side of the equation is widely variable for different people.
You are not going to store fat if you eat less than you burn. Concept is still the same, the equation just is altered.
You are not going to magically store fat if you eat in a deficit.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »OP. I suggest reading up on this:
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node15.html
And apply that to your situation before making claims that you're eating less than you burn and gaining weight.Rachelinthecity wrote: »I think a lot of the people saying that it's not possible to gain weight if you're eating fewer calories than you're burning off aren't thinking about the fact that just because an app or a website says you should be burning X amount of calories doing a certain amount of physical activity, it doesn't mean your body is actually burning that amount. I mean, yes, if you eat 1000 calories in a day and your body burns off 2000 calories (just to use random numbers), you won't gain weight. But there's no way for us to know what your body is *actually* burning off, despite what general information says the average person "should" burn doing a given activity. Medication, hormonal issues, stress, thyroid problems, etc can all totally mess you up and your number won't necessarily line up with the norm.
I agree that "burn more than you eat" is useless advice for people with certain medical conditions. If because of a medical condition, you don't "burn", then you will store fat even on very restricted calories. So telling such people to eat less than they burn is virtually meaningless. How are they supposed to achieve it when most of what they eat is stored as fat and not utilized? In the meantime, they have no energy and feel like they are starving because they can't utilize those calories properly.
Admittedly, this may be rare and possibly not applicable to the OP, but facts should be acknowledged instead of repeatedly squawking "CICO, CICO" as the ultimate word in weight-loss advice. The CO side of the equation is widely variable for different people.
These people are adults. If you have a medical condition: GET THEE TO A DOCTOR. Research the hell out of your condition and yes figure out how to lose weight. Because much as you might like it, CICO does not cease to apply. Way too many testimonies have come back from people saying they blamed their lack of weight loss on a medical condition, and when they took a closer look, well. We would be doing people a disservice if we just told them to roll over and die just because they have a "medical condition". They still need to put in the work, whatever that may entail. And it's still very possible to lose weight and not necessarily by eating just 800 calories a day either
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »OP. I suggest reading up on this:
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node15.html
And apply that to your situation before making claims that you're eating less than you burn and gaining weight.Rachelinthecity wrote: »I think a lot of the people saying that it's not possible to gain weight if you're eating fewer calories than you're burning off aren't thinking about the fact that just because an app or a website says you should be burning X amount of calories doing a certain amount of physical activity, it doesn't mean your body is actually burning that amount. I mean, yes, if you eat 1000 calories in a day and your body burns off 2000 calories (just to use random numbers), you won't gain weight. But there's no way for us to know what your body is *actually* burning off, despite what general information says the average person "should" burn doing a given activity. Medication, hormonal issues, stress, thyroid problems, etc can all totally mess you up and your number won't necessarily line up with the norm.
I agree that "burn more than you eat" is useless advice for people with certain medical conditions. If because of a medical condition, you don't "burn", then you will store fat even on very restricted calories. So telling such people to eat less than they burn is virtually meaningless. How are they supposed to achieve it when most of what they eat is stored as fat and not utilized? In the meantime, they have no energy and feel like they are starving because they can't utilize those calories properly.
Admittedly, this may be rare and possibly not applicable to the OP, but facts should be acknowledged instead of repeatedly squawking "CICO, CICO" as the ultimate word in weight-loss advice. The CO side of the equation is widely variable for different people.
These people are adults. If you have a medical condition: GET THEE TO A DOCTOR. Research the hell out of your condition and yes figure out how to lose weight. Because much as you might like it, CICO does not cease to apply. Way too many testimonies have come back from people saying they blamed their lack of weight loss on a medical condition, and when they took a closer look, well. We would be doing people a disservice if we just told them to roll over and die just because they have a "medical condition". They still need to put in the work, whatever that may entail. And it's still very possible to lose weight and not necessarily by eating just 800 calories a day either
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