I am never hungry I have to force myself to eat and I just gain gain gain weight
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I think wolf man was very rude in his post not all metabolism a are the same you don't know what is going on with that person or anyone else. Instead of being rude and disrespectful offer support and advice can be nonjudgmental.0
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forgtmenot wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
Drugs that cause weight gain do so by increasing appetite, lowering physical activity due to fatigue, or increasing fluid retention. They do not create fat out of nothing. I'm pretty sure the OP would know if she was on a medication that caused severe fluid retention to the turn of 45lbs. So either she is eating more than she thinks, or she is in a coma and burning less than a woman of her size should. Even with hypothyroidism one would not burn less than 800 calories a day.
Are you a scientist studying metabolic abnormalities and antidepressants? If not, you have no clue.
I have taken a number of anti depressants, I've actually taken nearly every anti depressant on the market. Did I gain weight while on them? Sometimes I did. Was I eating more when I gained weight? Absolutely. They cause weight gain by increasing appetite, which is how most drugs that cause weight gain manage to do it. You cannot create something out of nothing, it just doesn't work that way. I actually am a science major, but no I've never studied metabolic disorders specifically, and I never said anything about metabolic disorders. I was commenting specifically on weight gain due to medications.
While drugs can't "create something out of nothing", they definitely can impact the "CO" part of the "CICO" equation. I have a special needs son who used to eat only through a G-tube. He didn't eat or drink a single calorie other than what his mother and I gave him through his G-tube. At one point we started him on an antidepressant and he immediately gained 10+ lbs. It wasn't because of increased hunger or increased eating (we didn't increase how much he was fed) so it must have been either water retention or decreased calories out. We didn't notice any decreased activity but it seems as though the drug must have lowered his resting metabolism enough that he gained weight.
We lowered his calories in and he stopped gaining weight and slowly lost what he had gained. I'm a big believer that medications can impact your "calories out" even if you think you are moving just as much as before. They don't change the laws of physics, the same CICO equation applies, but I think they must impact both the "CI" through increased appetite and the "CO" through decreased metabolism and/or decreased activity. They can be overcome but many of them can make weight loss or maintenance much tougher.0 -
When I started using this site 2 months ago, I thought some people in the forums sounded pretty harsh. I'd like to announce that, with threads like this, I now officially "get it". Holy frustration!!0
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »There is no drug, and no medical condition that will make you store fat in the absence of calories to create it. It's really that simple.
Well said. People have been trying to say that, but you nailed it down in one sentence.
There are always calories involved. But if you're a person who eats 800 calories per day and 600 of them are stored as fat, that statement is worthless.
So, the OP could very well be consuming as few calories as she states, and still gaining weight. It is possible.
Please, tell me of the medications that cause a person's metabolism to change so much that they have a 200 calorie maintenance.0 -
When my dad passed, it was hard. I was Daddy's little girl. Part of how I got through it was thinking "Is this what he'd want for me?" He loved me and would not want me making bad choices because he left.
In my opinion, you're not hungry because you're depressed about your dad passing away. If you're only taking in 300-600 calories a day, you're not eating enough to sustain yourself and that adorable little baby will soon have a sick momma.
I know you're on Wellbutrin and something for anxiety and seeing a therapist. I think you need to be assertive with your therapist about how much you're struggling. Because the feelings you're experiencing seem to be severe enough to negatively impact your health if they continue.
*nodding*
I lost my dad in December. Getting my medication in order along with therapy came fist. Then I sorted out my calories. When you're feeling up to it take a good look at your diary.
I wish you the best of luck.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »There is no drug, and no medical condition that will make you store fat in the absence of calories to create it. It's really that simple.
Well said. People have been trying to say that, but you nailed it down in one sentence.
There are always calories involved. But if you're a person who eats 800 calories per day and 600 of them are stored as fat, that statement is worthless.
So, the OP could very well be consuming as few calories as she states, and still gaining weight. It is possible.
Please, tell me of the medications that cause a person's metabolism to change so much that they have a 200 calorie maintenance.
Just to be clear, while I was arguing that medications can lower your calories out I was not arguing they could lead to a 200 calorie maintenance.0 -
I haven't read all 8 pages. Has anyone suggested... Just smoke weed. You will be hungry everytime you want to be.0
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To the OP please go and see your doctor. Just because you are on an anti-depressant now doesn't mean it's addressing your symptoms. Your doctor can prescribe a different med or a higher dose to help you deal with your symptoms. I would also encourage you to discuss your weight gain with your doctor to see if there is an underlying medical condition (however remote that possibility is).
The reality is though, weight gain or loss is all about CICO, and most people don't have a medical reason why their BMR is lowered (ceraintly not enough to gain 45lbs in a year). It's almost always because that person is eating far more than they think. One of the great things about MFP is that if you log everything, down to the sugar in your tea and the dressing in your salad, you will get a clear picture of how much you are consuming. I would also encourage you to weigh your food in grams rather than ozs.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »
But... that's not how hypothalmic obesity works, and you're really grasping at straws. She'd have to have a brain tumor or something of the like to be causing it.
She stated she had no appetite. People with hypothalmic obesity most definitely have an appetite. It's part of the condition. It's part of what causes a lot of them to get obese. They continue to gain weight on calorie restriction because they're hormone pathways are jacked.
As usual, you read half the information on the subject.
I said in my original post that this information was unlikely to apply to the OP; however I was compelled to respond to the many declarations that have been made here saying there is no medical condition that causes weight gain when calories are restricted.
So yes, there is.
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I've begun to notice a common trend among people who blame their medications, medical conditions (which they usually haven't even been properly diagnosed with), and everything other than themselves for their weight gain, these people seem to be the "woe is me" types who blame everything else for what they do to themselves. You can blame blame blame forever and see where it gets you, but until you take accountability you will never lose the weight. When the scale doesn't budge as much as I like I blame myself because it is always because I worked out less than I should have or because I ate more than I should have. Either you can accept that the problem is you and fix it, or continue the road you're on. It isn't easy. If it were easy to lose weight everyone would be fit. It takes hard work and dedication, but it is worth it.0
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where is this magic weight gain medication, and how do I get some?0
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »
But... that's not how hypothalmic obesity works, and you're really grasping at straws. She'd have to have a brain tumor or something of the like to be causing it.
She stated she had no appetite. People with hypothalmic obesity most definitely have an appetite. It's part of the condition. It's part of what causes a lot of them to get obese. They continue to gain weight on calorie restriction because they're hormone pathways are jacked.
As usual, you read half the information on the subject.
I said in my original post that this information was unlikely to apply to the OP; however I was compelled to respond to the many declarations that have been made here saying there is no medical condition that causes weight gain when calories are restricted.
So yes, there is.
Please cite sources of a medical condition which causes weight gain without eating.0 -
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My mother has been overweight her whole adult life, and she eats less than any human I know. However, when she DOES eat, it's utter crap. Chips and dip, ice cream floats, etc. You can eat a whole lot of healthy, lower calorie stuff and lose weight, or a little bit of crap and pack on pounds because it is so calorie dense. Also, she primarily eats late at night after not eating all day, and then she goes to sleep. I know some people say it doesn't matter when you eat, but I sort of disagree.....I've had days that I've overeaten but did so early and stopped eating after dinner, stayed awake several more hours, perhaps exercised in that time and still lost instead of gained. I don't know if these are your issues or not, just something to check off your list of what you are or aren't doing.
To the part in bold. NO. It doesn't work like that. What matters, for weight loss, is that your calories in are less than your calories out. Period.
Eating calorie dense foods can be less satiating, so you can be tempted to eat more of them, thereby exceeding your Calorie In portion of the equation.
As others are pointing out in this thread, there are also medical conditions which can impact the Calories Out portion of the equation too.
However, there are not medications which magically create energy out of nothing, and certain foods do not invalidate that basic principle either.
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First off if you looked into it you would see that there are several factors that come into play there and a big on is a reduction in metabolic rate. No where does it say that you will gain fat while under eating or like in the case of the OP, under eating by hundreds and hundreds of calories. This is not the first time you've mentioned that medical condition and not once have you used it accurately.
"Reduction in metabolic rate". In other words, they don't 'burn' the calories.
Yes, people with HO gain fat while under eating, as noted in my first reply to you:
Such patients gain weight even in response to caloric restriction, and attempts at lifestyle modification are useless to prevent or treat the obesity.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »
But... that's not how hypothalmic obesity works, and you're really grasping at straws. She'd have to have a brain tumor or something of the like to be causing it.
She stated she had no appetite. People with hypothalmic obesity most definitely have an appetite. It's part of the condition. It's part of what causes a lot of them to get obese. They continue to gain weight on calorie restriction because they're hormone pathways are jacked.
As usual, you read half the information on the subject.
I said in my original post that this information was unlikely to apply to the OP; however I was compelled to respond to the many declarations that have been made here saying there is no medical condition that causes weight gain when calories are restricted.
So yes, there is.
So you are saying that scientists have invented a drug that turns empty space into matter spontaneously? I'm surprised this hasn't been in the news more.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
First off if you looked into it you would see that there are several factors that come into play there and a big on is a reduction in metabolic rate. No where does it say that you will gain fat while under eating or like in the case of the OP, under eating by hundreds and hundreds of calories. This is not the first time you've mentioned that medical condition and not once have you used it accurately.
"Reduction in metabolic rate". In other words, they don't 'burn' the calories.
Yes, people with HO gain fat while under eating, as noted in my first reply to you:
Such patients gain weight even in response to caloric restriction, and attempts at lifestyle modification are useless to prevent or treat the obesity.
Caloric restriction and under eating are not the same thing. You don't gain weight if you under eat.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
First off if you looked into it you would see that there are several factors that come into play there and a big on is a reduction in metabolic rate. No where does it say that you will gain fat while under eating or like in the case of the OP, under eating by hundreds and hundreds of calories. This is not the first time you've mentioned that medical condition and not once have you used it accurately.
"Reduction in metabolic rate". In other words, they don't 'burn' the calories.
Yes, people with HO gain fat while under eating, as noted in my first reply to you:
Such patients gain weight even in response to caloric restriction, and attempts at lifestyle modification are useless to prevent or treat the obesity.
So you're saying if the obese people with this condition stopped eating they would live on nothing forever and stay the same size? I call BS...0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »
So you're saying if the obese people with this condition stopped eating they would live on nothing forever and stay the same size? I call BS...
No, they would probably die very quickly from organ failure because their body would not have the most basic nutrients it needs to function.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »
So you're saying if the obese people with this condition stopped eating they would live on nothing forever and stay the same size? I call BS...
No, they would probably die very quickly from organ failure because their body would not have the most basic nutrients it needs to function.
But they would still gain weight?0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
First off if you looked into it you would see that there are several factors that come into play there and a big on is a reduction in metabolic rate. No where does it say that you will gain fat while under eating or like in the case of the OP, under eating by hundreds and hundreds of calories. This is not the first time you've mentioned that medical condition and not once have you used it accurately.
"Reduction in metabolic rate". In other words, they don't 'burn' the calories.
Yes, people with HO gain fat while under eating, as noted in my first reply to you:
Such patients gain weight even in response to caloric restriction, and attempts at lifestyle modification are useless to prevent or treat the obesity.
Well, yes, but to what point of caloric restriction, though?
You need to read more sources than Lustig.
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forgtmenot wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
Drugs that cause weight gain do so by increasing appetite, lowering physical activity due to fatigue, or increasing fluid retention. They do not create fat out of nothing. I'm pretty sure the OP would know if she was on a medication that caused severe fluid retention to the turn of 45lbs. So either she is eating more than she thinks, or she is in a coma and burning less than a woman of her size should. Even with hypothyroidism one would not burn less than 800 calories a day.
Are you a scientist studying metabolic abnormalities and antidepressants? If not, you have no clue.
I have taken a number of anti depressants, I've actually taken nearly every anti depressant on the market. Did I gain weight while on them? Sometimes I did. Was I eating more when I gained weight? Absolutely. They cause weight gain by increasing appetite, which is how most drugs that cause weight gain manage to do it. You cannot create something out of nothing, it just doesn't work that way. I actually am a science major, but no I've never studied metabolic disorders specifically, and I never said anything about metabolic disorders. I was commenting specifically on weight gain due to medications.
I've taken every AD on the market, as well. I was 95 lbs when I started the meds. Prior to starting them, I couldn't gain a pound no matter how hard I tried. After gaining the initial 20 lbs, I saw a dietitian who put me on a restrictive diet and I followed it to a T. I was a competitive gymnast and cheerleader, training 3 hours a day, 5 times a week. I wasn't eating more or moving less. In fact, I was eating less and still as active as I was before I started the meds. Antidepressants can directly cause metabolic disorders, hence my situation. Not only did I develop insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia, I have a medically low RMR now on top of it.
Science is constantly evolving. This is a field in particular that is not well understood and more research needs to be conducted to figure out why people gain massive amounts of weight on AD's when they are not eating more calories. Hopefully some day, a genius will figure it out so more people don't have to suffer.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
Drugs that cause weight gain do so by increasing appetite, lowering physical activity due to fatigue, or increasing fluid retention. They do not create fat out of nothing. I'm pretty sure the OP would know if she was on a medication that caused severe fluid retention to the turn of 45lbs. So either she is eating more than she thinks, or she is in a coma and burning less than a woman of her size should. Even with hypothyroidism one would not burn less than 800 calories a day.
Are you a scientist studying metabolic abnormalities and antidepressants? If not, you have no clue.
I have taken a number of anti depressants, I've actually taken nearly every anti depressant on the market. Did I gain weight while on them? Sometimes I did. Was I eating more when I gained weight? Absolutely. They cause weight gain by increasing appetite, which is how most drugs that cause weight gain manage to do it. You cannot create something out of nothing, it just doesn't work that way. I actually am a science major, but no I've never studied metabolic disorders specifically, and I never said anything about metabolic disorders. I was commenting specifically on weight gain due to medications.
I've taken every AD on the market, as well. I was 95 lbs when I started the meds. Prior to starting them, I couldn't gain a pound no matter how hard tried. After gaining the initial 20 lbs, I saw a dietitian who put me on a restrictive diet and I followed it to a T. I was a competitive gymnast and cheerleader, training 3 hours a day, 5 times a week. I wasn't eating more or moving less. In fact, I was eating less and still as active as I was before I started the meds. Antidepressants can directly cause metabolic disorders, hence my situation. Not only did I develop insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia, I have a medically low RMR now on top of it.
Science is constantly evolving. This is a field in particular that is not well understood and more research needs to be conducted to figure out why people gain massive amounts of weight on AD's when they are not eating more calories. Hopefully some day, a genius will figure it out so more people don't have to suffer.
So you also are convinced by a sample size of one that your body was created out of thin air. Okie doke.0 -
You are trying to make it read something that isn't there. They still burn calories. The OP is claiming she is eating under maintenance and gaining. No where does it say that the people with the condition you listed will be able to store fat in a caloric deficit. If your TDEE reduces due to the condition you would still not be able to gain eating 300 calories like she is. What are you claiming, that her TDEE is 250 calories????
I don't have all the answers. The point is that there are medical conditions that affect a person's 'calories out' in all sorts of ways that are not yet fully understood, even by the experts (as they will admit themselves) and that people with such conditions can be virtually starving yet still gain weight.
[Edit:] just FYI, this study (not related to Lustig) even says that they think HO could be a far wider phenomenon than was previously thought; that it's not necessarily confined to people with brain lesions.
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If you believe all of the "drug/medication" makes me store fat/gain weight theories than you all do realize that this drug/medication that makes you store fat, solves the world hunger, right?
Medication can make you more hungry ( that is were the gaining comes from) it can make you hold more water and bloating issues It can slow down your weight loss process
But gaining weight is only by consuming too much calories!
What is causing you to consume too much is a whole other thing. So stress, medication or medical condition, emotional eating etc etc
There are enough people here with medical issues and medication ( so do i) and they all lose weight just fine.
Maybe slower maybe less But they lose weight as soon as they consume less calories than they burn.
I lost almost 90 pounds in a bit over a half year. because of my medical condition i can gain water weight of 10 pounds in one night and i have to work those off again over days sometimes even 2 weeks.
But i lose weight!!!!
So do other team members with all kinds of medication and health issues. As long as they eat less than they burn.
For some it is only harder.
The OP says she dont eat anything 300 calories a day or so according to her.
But here is the problem
1. she didn't log anything before yesterday ( she closed her diary now btw)
2. she doesn't weigh her food
3. she obviously has a problem with food or is in denial....or both.
So nobody here can solve any of her problems she needs professional help
And she need to start logging and weighing her food on a food scale of every bite she takes.
If she finds me rude and mean to say all of this...well oke by me.
Its her body her life. I cant change that.
She needs help not me.
She is an adult with a child, she needs to act like an adult and take responsibility for her and her family.
Its not up to me to change her life.
So well, i have no problems to tell her like it is and be rude and a mean person if she think so.
It doesn't affect me. I tried to give advice and help her out.
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galgenstrick wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »There is no drug, and no medical condition that will make you store fat in the absence of calories to create it. It's really that simple.
Well said. People have been trying to say that, but you nailed it down in one sentence.
There are always calories involved. But if you're a person who eats 800 calories per day and 600 of them are stored as fat, that statement is worthless.
So, the OP could very well be consuming as few calories as she states, and still gaining weight. It is possible.
If you ate 800, and 600 are stored as fat, then you are not in an absence of those calories. The statement still holds. It's basic thermodynamics. She's saying that if you eat nothing, you can't gain fat. Period.
There isn't a medication or a medical condition in the world that would cause your body to live on 200 calories, unless you're a head in a vat.0
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