I am never hungry I have to force myself to eat and I just gain gain gain weight
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I am one of the people with those "medical conditions" yet I managed to lose weight on a calorie deficit. The only difference is that you will need to alter your expectations of how much you will be losing within a certain period of time. Some conditions do nudge the "calories out" part of the equation into the lower end of the spectrum, but eating less calories than you burn is still valid. The only difference is that you tend to burn less than average. With that said, in no world is there a medical condition where you gain weight at a sub 1000 calories diet.
Funny this thread should come up. A couple of days ago my cousin was complaining that she is gaining weight even though she barely eats anything. She works long hours and only has 2-3 small pita sandwiches during the day, and 2 tablespoon of rice plus whatever micro-stew they are having for dinner. It turned out those sandwiches were indeed small and you wouldn't expect them to pack up a decent caloric punch, but she near drowned them in olive oil... at least 400 calories in oil alone + 150 calories in bread and that's before counting the full fat low moisture greek yogurt or other stuff. Yes, it may feel like barely eating but sometimes the foods are so calorically dense that you end up at a surplus.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »OP. I suggest reading up on this:
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node15.html
And apply that to your situation before making claims that you're eating less than you burn and gaining weight.Rachelinthecity wrote: »I think a lot of the people saying that it's not possible to gain weight if you're eating fewer calories than you're burning off aren't thinking about the fact that just because an app or a website says you should be burning X amount of calories doing a certain amount of physical activity, it doesn't mean your body is actually burning that amount. I mean, yes, if you eat 1000 calories in a day and your body burns off 2000 calories (just to use random numbers), you won't gain weight. But there's no way for us to know what your body is *actually* burning off, despite what general information says the average person "should" burn doing a given activity. Medication, hormonal issues, stress, thyroid problems, etc can all totally mess you up and your number won't necessarily line up with the norm.
I agree that "burn more than you eat" is useless advice for people with certain medical conditions. If because of a medical condition, you don't "burn", then you will store fat even on very restricted calories. So telling such people to eat less than they burn is virtually meaningless. How are they supposed to achieve it when most of what they eat is stored as fat and not utilized? In the meantime, they have no energy and feel like they are starving because they can't utilize those calories properly.
Admittedly, this may be rare and possibly not applicable to the OP, but facts should be acknowledged instead of repeatedly squawking "CICO, CICO" as the ultimate word in weight-loss advice. The CO side of the equation is widely variable for different people.
These people are adults. If you have a medical condition: GET THEE TO A DOCTOR. Research the hell out of your condition and yes figure out how to lose weight. Because much as you might like it, CICO does not cease to apply. Way too many testimonies have come back from people saying they blamed their lack of weight loss on a medical condition, and when they took a closer look, well. We would be doing people a disservice if we just told them to roll over and die just because they have a "medical condition". They still need to put in the work, whatever that may entail. And it's still very possible to lose weight and not necessarily by eating just 800 calories a day either
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amusedmonkey wrote: »I am one of the people with those "medical conditions" yet I managed to lose weight on a calorie deficit. The only difference is that you will need to alter your expectations of how much you will be losing within a certain period of time. Some conditions do nudge the "calories out" part of the equation into the lower end of the spectrum, but eating less calories than you burn is still valid. The only difference is that you tend to burn less than average. With that said, in no world is there a medical condition where you gain weight at a sub 1000 calories diet.
Funny this thread should come up. A couple of days ago my cousin was complaining that she is gaining weight even though she barely eats anything. She works long hours and only has 2-3 small pita sandwiches during the day, and 2 tablespoon of rice plus whatever micro-stew they are having for dinner. It turned out those sandwiches were indeed small and you wouldn't expect them to pack up a decent caloric punch, but she near drowned them in olive oil... at least 400 calories in oil alone + 150 calories in bread and that's before counting the full fat low moisture greek yogurt or other stuff. Yes, it may feel like barely eating but sometimes the foods are so calorically dense that you end up at a surplus.
This thread reminds me of my aunt, who was morbidly obese and blamed her weight on her thyroid. Which no dr ever diagnosed with a problem. The interesting part is I have lived 20 years with hypothyroidism, and it has not caused me to gain weight.
My aunt's number #1 argument was she was eating very little, mainly fruit, so she was barely eating enough to survive. And the truth was whenever I saw her eat, she was eating just slices of fruit, perhaps a bit of bread etc. Then one year, I went to spend 1 month with her and learned how she was eating. She would never sit at the table to eat a proper meal, but she would just visit the kitchen at random times, eat a slice of fruit here, a slice of bread there, a bit of cheese. She was always snacking, a little at a time, but by the end of the day, she had consumed an entire watermelon and two loaves of bread, while she was convinced she was on a strict diet. I had checked, because I was curious: she would buy a new watermelon every day, I ate a slice all day, my uncle hated it and never touched it, and next mornign it would be gone. For a very short woman, who avoided physical activity like the plague, fruit alone was probably putting her way over her maintenance calories.0 -
Excuses... Excuses everywhere!
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This ^^^^^ is so bogus, especially the part I put in bold.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »OP. I suggest reading up on this:
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node15.html
And apply that to your situation before making claims that you're eating less than you burn and gaining weight.Rachelinthecity wrote: »I think a lot of the people saying that it's not possible to gain weight if you're eating fewer calories than you're burning off aren't thinking about the fact that just because an app or a website says you should be burning X amount of calories doing a certain amount of physical activity, it doesn't mean your body is actually burning that amount. I mean, yes, if you eat 1000 calories in a day and your body burns off 2000 calories (just to use random numbers), you won't gain weight. But there's no way for us to know what your body is *actually* burning off, despite what general information says the average person "should" burn doing a given activity. Medication, hormonal issues, stress, thyroid problems, etc can all totally mess you up and your number won't necessarily line up with the norm.
I agree that "burn more than you eat" is useless advice for people with certain medical conditions. If because of a medical condition, you don't "burn", then you will store fat even on very restricted calories. So telling such people to eat less than they burn is virtually meaningless. How are they supposed to achieve it when most of what they eat is stored as fat and not utilized? In the meantime, they have no energy and feel like they are starving because they can't utilize those calories properly.
Admittedly, this may be rare and possibly not applicable to the OP, but facts should be acknowledged instead of repeatedly squawking "CICO, CICO" as the ultimate word in weight-loss advice. The CO side of the equation is widely variable for different people.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »I am one of the people with those "medical conditions" yet I managed to lose weight on a calorie deficit. The only difference is that you will need to alter your expectations of how much you will be losing within a certain period of time. Some conditions do nudge the "calories out" part of the equation into the lower end of the spectrum, but eating less calories than you burn is still valid. The only difference is that you tend to burn less than average. With that said, in no world is there a medical condition where you gain weight at a sub 1000 calories diet.
Funny this thread should come up. A couple of days ago my cousin was complaining that she is gaining weight even though she barely eats anything. She works long hours and only has 2-3 small pita sandwiches during the day, and 2 tablespoon of rice plus whatever micro-stew they are having for dinner. It turned out those sandwiches were indeed small and you wouldn't expect them to pack up a decent caloric punch, but she near drowned them in olive oil... at least 400 calories in oil alone + 150 calories in bread and that's before counting the full fat low moisture greek yogurt or other stuff. Yes, it may feel like barely eating but sometimes the foods are so calorically dense that you end up at a surplus.
This thread reminds me of my aunt, who was morbidly obese and blamed her weight on her thyroid. Which no dr ever diagnosed with a problem. The interesting part is I have lived 20 years with hypothyroidism, and it has not caused me to gain weight.
My aunt's number #1 argument was she was eating very little, mainly fruit, so she was barely eating enough to survive. And the truth was whenever I saw her eat, she was eating just slices of fruit, perhaps a bit of bread etc. Then one year, I went to spend 1 month with her and learned how she was eating. She would never sit at the table to eat a proper meal, but she would just visit the kitchen at random times, eat a slice of fruit here, a slice of bread there, a bit of cheese. She was always snacking, a little at a time, but by the end of the day, she had consumed an entire watermelon and two loaves of bread, while she was convinced she was on a strict diet. I had checked, because I was curious: she would buy a new watermelon every day, I ate a slice all day, my uncle hated it and never touched it, and next mornign it would be gone. For a very short woman, who avoided physical activity like the plague, fruit alone was probably putting her way over her maintenance calories.
Absolutely. This is a common story that those of us who have been fat hate to tell.
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I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.0 -
I think the people who have said that she should get her meds sorted out and deal with her issues with food first are right. We know she has a condition that she's not taking the medication for and the dislike of eating could very well be the result of medication (and if it's depression she needs to talk to her doctor as the medication may not be working).
She also should log really honestly and bring that to her doctor if she's gaining/not losing on low calories, as that would be potentially the sign of a serious issue (as when there is not fat gain going on, but major bloating/water weight gain, or simply a sign that her thyroid condition is not being properly medicated, which seems to be true anyway).
My suspicion is that very often when you have an aversion to eating normal food what happens is you end up overeating eventually and often find only high calorie foods appealing, so that's what you overeat on, often, and that's why you can have a pattern of not eating much/being unable to eat regular meals, but still end up overconsuming calories in the course of a week. That kind of thing could also explain why her doctor wants her to work on eating regular meals. But the point is that it's something that she needs to talk to her doctor about.0 -
melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
I guess I should file a lawsuit against my doctors who put me on medications that caused me to gain 111 lbs within 3 years and develop insulin resistance.0 -
Sorry but none of that makes sense. Who are these people who store most of what they eat as fat? What condition causes that?Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
I agree that "burn more than you eat" is useless advice for people with certain medical conditions. If because of a medical condition, you don't "burn", then you will store fat even on very restricted calories.
This one:
Hypothalamic obesity, or intractable weight gain after hypothalamic damage, is one of the most pernicious and agonizing late effects of CNS insult. Such patients gain weight even in response to caloric restriction, and attempts at lifestyle modification are useless to prevent or treat the obesity. The pathogenesis of this condition involves the inability to transduce afferent hormonal signals of adiposity, in effect mimicing a state of CNS starvation. Efferent sympathetic activity drops, resulting in malaise and reduced energy expenditure, and vagal activity increases, resulting in increased insulin secretion and adipogenesis. Pharmacologic treatment is difficult, consisting of adrenergics to mimick sympathetic activity, or suppression of insulin secretion with octreotide, or both. Recently, bariatric surgery (Roux-en-Y gastric bypass, laparoscopic gastric banding, vagotomy) have also been attempted with variable results. Early and intensive management is required to stave off the obesity and its consequences.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19202508When you say most of, what percentage of what the eat gets stored? If most of what the eat gets stored as fat then how do their bodies keep running. I've asked the other 2 people in this thread that claimed that the same thing and neither one had an answer. Maybe you do
I don't know what percentage. Some people with this condition have it worse than others. Some of them gain 1kilo or more per week, and for some of them the gain is slower. And as for how do their bodies keep running, some of them don't, unfortunately.
This ^^^^^ is so bogus, especially the part I put in bold.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »I agree that "burn more than you eat" is useless advice for people with certain medical conditions. If because of a medical condition, you don't "burn", then you will store fat even on very restricted calories.
This little girl will be happy to hear that:
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There is no drug, and no medical condition that will make you store fat in the absence of excess calories to create it. It's really that simple.
Water weight in the amount the OP has seen? Maybe? I don't know? A tumor? I think it's possible.
But I seriously doubt, reading between the lines, that either of those is the case.
I asked two questions, but by then the OP had left the thread. Were she truly consuming as little as she thought for as long as she implied in her first post, she wouldn't be functioning. Her hair would likely be falling out. Her periods would have stopped.
Things just don't add up for all of you who want to believe in special snowflakes. Sorry.0 -
My mother has been overweight her whole adult life, and she eats less than any human I know. However, when she DOES eat, it's utter crap. Chips and dip, ice cream floats, etc. You can eat a whole lot of healthy, lower calorie stuff and lose weight, or a little bit of crap and pack on pounds because it is so calorie dense. Also, she primarily eats late at night after not eating all day, and then she goes to sleep. I know some people say it doesn't matter when you eat, but I sort of disagree.....I've had days that I've overeaten but did so early and stopped eating after dinner, stayed awake several more hours, perhaps exercised in that time and still lost instead of gained. I don't know if these are your issues or not, just something to check off your list of what you are or aren't doing.0
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melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
Drugs that cause weight gain do so by increasing appetite, lowering physical activity due to fatigue, or increasing fluid retention. They do not create fat out of nothing. I'm pretty sure the OP would know if she was on a medication that caused severe fluid retention to the tune of 45lbs. So either she is eating more than she thinks, or she is in a coma and burning less than a woman of her size should. Even with hypothyroidism one would not burn less than 800 calories a day.0 -
A little common sense here: If under eating caused weight gain, then anorexia wouldn't exist.
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forgtmenot wrote: »melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
Drugs that cause weight gain do so by increasing appetite, lowering physical activity due to fatigue, or increasing fluid retention. They do not create fat out of nothing. I'm pretty sure the OP would know if she was on a medication that caused severe fluid retention to the turn of 45lbs. So either she is eating more than she thinks, or she is in a coma and burning less than a woman of her size should. Even with hypothyroidism one would not burn less than 800 calories a day.
Bingo. My antihypertensives make me sluggish, my depo provera increases my appetite...but I still lost the weight.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »There is no drug, and no medical condition that will make you store fat in the absence of calories to create it. It's really that simple.
Water weight in the amount the OP has seen? Maybe? I don't know? A tumor? I think it's possible.
But I seriously doubt, reading between the lines, that either of those is the case.
I asked two questions, but by then the OP had left the thread. Were she truly consuming as little as she thought for as long as she implied in her first post, she wouldn't be functioning. Her hair would likely be falling out. Her periods would have stopped.
Things just don't add up for all of you who want to believe in special snowflakes. Sorry.
Well said. People have been trying to say that, but you nailed it down in one sentence.0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
Drugs that cause weight gain do so by increasing appetite, lowering physical activity due to fatigue, or increasing fluid retention. They do not create fat out of nothing. I'm pretty sure the OP would know if she was on a medication that caused severe fluid retention to the turn of 45lbs. So either she is eating more than she thinks, or she is in a coma and burning less than a woman of her size should. Even with hypothyroidism one would not burn less than 800 calories a day.
Are you a scientist studying metabolic abnormalities and antidepressants? If not, you have no clue.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
Drugs that cause weight gain do so by increasing appetite, lowering physical activity due to fatigue, or increasing fluid retention. They do not create fat out of nothing. I'm pretty sure the OP would know if she was on a medication that caused severe fluid retention to the turn of 45lbs. So either she is eating more than she thinks, or she is in a coma and burning less than a woman of her size should. Even with hypothyroidism one would not burn less than 800 calories a day.
Are you a scientist studying metabolic abnormalities and antidepressants? If not, you have no clue.
Are you? If not, you have no clue.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
Drugs that cause weight gain do so by increasing appetite, lowering physical activity due to fatigue, or increasing fluid retention. They do not create fat out of nothing. I'm pretty sure the OP would know if she was on a medication that caused severe fluid retention to the turn of 45lbs. So either she is eating more than she thinks, or she is in a coma and burning less than a woman of her size should. Even with hypothyroidism one would not burn less than 800 calories a day.
Are you a scientist studying metabolic abnormalities and antidepressants? If not, you have no clue.
Are you?
Are you seriously asserting that a drug could create fat?
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »
I guess I should file a lawsuit against my doctors who put me on medications that caused me to gain 111 lbs within 3 years and develop insulin resistance.
Perhaps. Was weight gain listed as a possible side-effect of the medications? If yes, then they'll say you took it knowing the possible consequences. If no, can you prove it was definitely the medications that caused your weight gain? i.e. your calorie intake was strictly controlled and documented, and you didn't have any other things going on that might have caused weight gain? And can you prove that this weight gain caused you real "damage" (and depending on where you live, pain and suffering is not considered damage in legal terms). If so, you might just have a case...!0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »melandry03 wrote: »I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been said before.
It's really hard to say what the OP is doing wrong except for offering general advice, such as logging everything and weighing what she eats for accuracy. She might have a thyroid problem, or maybe she's on a drug that makes you put on ridiculous amounts of weight and causes diabetes if you're on it long enough. Zyprexa, for example, was a drug that created a class action lawsuit because of these type of effects. The people who sued won.
That said, ignorance is not bliss, and until the OP gets the information she needs from logging what she consumes, she won't know where the problem lies.
Drugs that cause weight gain do so by increasing appetite, lowering physical activity due to fatigue, or increasing fluid retention. They do not create fat out of nothing. I'm pretty sure the OP would know if she was on a medication that caused severe fluid retention to the turn of 45lbs. So either she is eating more than she thinks, or she is in a coma and burning less than a woman of her size should. Even with hypothyroidism one would not burn less than 800 calories a day.
Are you a scientist studying metabolic abnormalities and antidepressants? If not, you have no clue.
I have taken a number of anti depressants, I've actually taken nearly every anti depressant on the market. Did I gain weight while on them? Sometimes I did. Was I eating more when I gained weight? Absolutely. They cause weight gain by increasing appetite, which is how most drugs that cause weight gain manage to do it. You cannot create something out of nothing, it just doesn't work that way. I actually am a science major, but no I've never studied metabolic disorders specifically, and I never said anything about metabolic disorders. I was commenting specifically on weight gain due to medications.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »There is no drug, and no medical condition that will make you store fat in the absence of calories to create it. It's really that simple.
Well said. People have been trying to say that, but you nailed it down in one sentence.
There are always calories involved. But if you're a person who eats 800 calories per day and 600 of them are stored as fat, that statement is worthless.
So, the OP could very well be consuming as few calories as she states, and still gaining weight. It is possible.0 -
If medications create fat stores even when the patient is not eating anything we need to start giving them to anorexics and cure world hunger with them.0
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This thread...where to start?
- Great monday morning fodder
- I developed a headache somewhere between the first few posts and now
- There was a great deal of sound advice repeated over and over and over
- Medical conditions were disclosed, finally
- Mean thread is mean
- Thread has become a fascinating train wreck for OP but a worthwhile read for bystanders, both for entertainment and info.
And for my closing thought, I leave you all with this...
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forgtmenot wrote: »If medications create fat stores even when the patient is not eating anything we need to start giving them to anorexics and cure world hunger with them.
It's funny, because one of the most well known drugs given to those with cancer and anorexia is Megace - which increases appetite. Does it magically create and store fat? No, because no medication does.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »There is no drug, and no medical condition that will make you store fat in the absence of calories to create it. It's really that simple.
Well said. People have been trying to say that, but you nailed it down in one sentence.
There are always calories involved. But if you're a person who eats 800 calories per day and 600 of them are stored as fat, that statement is worthless.
So, the OP could very well be consuming as few calories as she states, and still gaining weight. It is possible.
If you ate 800, and 600 are stored as fat, then you are not in an absence of those calories. The statement still holds. It's basic thermodynamics. She's saying that if you eat nothing, you can't gain fat. Period.0 -
I understand how u feel. Everyone that is saying u are eating more than you think may not understand I'm putting everything down what I eat in my journal and my pedometer goes straight to it. I have to force myself to eat According to fitness pal should be losing 13-18 lbs every 5 was instead I'm gaining. I know I have to do more strenuous exercise because my metabolism is lowest but can't because I've gone from 200 lbs to 324 lbs in 2 1/2 yrs. started putting on weight because depressed and did eat bad but past yr not. I know everyone is well intentioned and yes we do eat more then we think so yes keep journal and evaluate it. We do have to eat and harder when not hungry. This is my last attempt my friend are after me to go to doctor but maybe God just wants me to be fat and accept it which would be devastating for me0
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »There is no drug, and no medical condition that will make you store fat in the absence of calories to create it. It's really that simple.
Well said. People have been trying to say that, but you nailed it down in one sentence.
There are always calories involved. But if you're a person who eats 800 calories per day and 600 of them are stored as fat, that statement is worthless.
So, the OP could very well be consuming as few calories as she states, and still gaining weight. It is possible.
But... that's not how hypothalmic obesity works, and you're really grasping at straws. She'd have to have a brain tumor or something of the like to be causing it.
She stated she had no appetite. People with hypothalmic obesity most definitely have an appetite. It's part of the condition. It's part of what causes a lot of them to get obese. They continue to gain weight on calorie restriction because they're hormone pathways are jacked.
As usual, you read half the information on the subject.
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