Grain free and down ten pounds!
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It is interesting that someone posts a success story about how her body reacted to cutting grains and instantly the haters come out to play.
My N-1 experiment
Cut all grains and processed sugars. During the weight loss phase of my journey kept carbs below 50 gr/day. Also eliminated most vegetable and seed oils. Fats used were coconut oil, animal fats, and olive oil.
Successes:
Lost 90 pounds (go ahead, call that water weight) and have maintained that loss for over 3 months now.
Acne disappeared.
A couple other skin issues that were not resolved using doctor recommended cortisone creams disappeared.
Energy levels are thru the roof.
I had a bilateral lung transplant in January. Out of the more than 500 lung transplants performed by my team, I had the fastest recovery. I was out of the hospital in 9 days.
During post transplant pulmonary rehab, I had the 2nd best Six Minute Walk Test (6MWT) results ever. #1 was a early 30's Army Ranger. I am 53.
The lung disease I had was Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis, and I was end stage. One symptom that many IPF'rs have is a debilitating cough that often required morphine to control. After removing grains and sugars the cough went away. That is huge. I have helped a few others also eliminate these foods and they have also seen great results.
I continue to recover ahead of the curve, and my recovery success is in a large part due to my healthy nutrition.
And no, I do not have Celiac Disease.
It is interesting how people feel that they have to jump in and try to debase a grain free diet every time there is a post in this forum. You know, if you want to eat wonder bread and pasta every day, go for it. I don't care what you do with your life. You want to be a vegetarian and post about how wonderful that lifestyle is, good on you. I'll not troll your post and try to convince you otherwise. Why is it you all feel so driven to try and dissuade those of us who have found success with a grain free lifestyle?
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lauraesh0384 wrote: »@earlnabby good job! My point is that with the lack of processed grains, I dropped 10 pounds, what's so hard to about that?
Don't listen to all the naysayers. Just because they can eat grains and starches to lose weight, it doesn't mean all of us can. Good job! I personally went from to 240 to my current 169 by cutting out all grains, starches and refined sugar. If I eat grains and starches while being in a deficit, I don't lose weight. It's all a matter of how your body responds to those foods. Insulin resistance is real.
And here comes the nonsense. So insulin resistance isn't at all factored into the energy balance equation?
Of course it is. If you eat more calories than you burn, obviously you're not going to lose weight. That wasn't the point behind my statement. My point was that "diets" aren't a one size fits all. Insulin resistance isn't nonsense. It makes sense. It would explain why person A can eat grains and starches and lose weight, why person B eats those exact same foods and doesn't lose weight or gains weight. It's all about whether your body locks those calories away in your fat cells or if it allows them to be used for energy. Of course in the end regardless of what WOE you're following, calories do matter. Maybe in the beginning of your weight loss journey you can be a little more lax with them.
I don't understand why everyone in these forums can't be happy for someone when they have found something that works for them. The moment someone mentions they've cut out grains, starches and sugars, it's debunked with "you don't have to cut those out to lose weight". What works for you doesn't necessarily work for me or the OP.
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That's wonderful. But just so everyone is clear, the exclusion of grains is not what made you thinner. Rather, the reduction of overall calories did.
You could go dairy free, meat free, butter free, etc. etc. and still possibly lose weight... That doesn't mean those foods are evil or should be excluded altogether. In fact, it is very silly to exclude any whole food aside from having an allergy or medical reaction to it. Variety is the spice of life.
People exclude certain whole foods from their diet for a variety of reasons other than medical conditions. Why is that silly? Shouldn't we all be able to select our own diets based on our preferences?
I never said that you should eat something that you don't like. Preference is certainly a factor. I thought that was common sense.
That said, if you hate something like shrimp or mushrooms because you had them once or twice in your life and you didn't like them... then not trying them again as a grown adult, when they are fresh and prepared correctly, would be quite ignorant.0 -
It's wise to eliminate or strictly limit processed foods... but specifically focusing on grains/bread and basically convincing others that they are the only problem on the path toward weight loss is not the best advice.
There are many types of processed foods... Avoid as much as them as you can and don't single out grains/bread as the culprit.
There was nothing in her post trying to convince others that they must give up grains in order to lose weight. Nor did she give advice to others to eliminate them.
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i have been gluten free for a year now and I have never felt better in my life but my weight hasn't moved. I recently started not eating any grains mostly as an "experiment"........it's been 3 weeks and I'm down 10 pounds! I realize it's mostly water weight, but I couldn't lose it before being grain free. My skin, my stomach, my attitude and my sleep are all improved! I am excited! Is there any one else with a similar story? I'm very interested to hear!!
Very good. Keep doing it, an try to cut out all forms of sugar. Get your carbs from veggies only. If you add good fat to your diet, such as avocados, butter, olive oil and coconut oil, you will not feel hungry and you'll eat less. You will find many benefits, including steady slow weight loss and you'll feel much better. Your glucose will be very stable. From a fat guy who has done this.
Cheers,
FB
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It's wise to eliminate or strictly limit processed foods... but specifically focusing on grains/bread and basically convincing others that they are the only problem on the path toward weight loss is not the best advice.
There are many types of processed foods... Avoid as much as them as you can and don't single out grains/bread as the culprit.
There was nothing in her post trying to convince others that they must give up grains in order to lose weight. Nor did she give advice to others to eliminate them.
She connected being grain/gluten free with her success for weight loss and feeling better about herself when she has no apparent medical condition or allergy against grains/gluten.
The reason she is lighter, feeling better, with greater confidence, and seeing results is due to calorie restriction... Not a restriction of grains/bread per se (unless specifically diagnosed by a doctor as being sensitive to these foods).0 -
lauraesh0384 wrote: »
I don't understand why everyone in these forums can't be happy for someone when they have found something that works for them. The moment someone mentions they've cut out grains, starches and sugars, it's debunked with "you don't have to cut those out to lose weight". What works for you doesn't necessarily work for me or the OP.
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lauraesh0384 wrote: »lauraesh0384 wrote: »@earlnabby good job! My point is that with the lack of processed grains, I dropped 10 pounds, what's so hard to about that?
Don't listen to all the naysayers. Just because they can eat grains and starches to lose weight, it doesn't mean all of us can. Good job! I personally went from to 240 to my current 169 by cutting out all grains, starches and refined sugar. If I eat grains and starches while being in a deficit, I don't lose weight. It's all a matter of how your body responds to those foods. Insulin resistance is real.
And here comes the nonsense. So insulin resistance isn't at all factored into the energy balance equation?
Of course it is. If you eat more calories than you burn, obviously you're not going to lose weight. That wasn't the point behind my statement. My point was that "diets" aren't a one size fits all. Insulin resistance isn't nonsense. It makes sense. It would explain why person A can eat grains and starches and lose weight, why person B eats those exact same foods and doesn't lose weight or gains weight. It's all about whether your body locks those calories away in your fat cells or if it allows them to be used for energy. Of course in the end regardless of what WOE you're following, calories do matter. Maybe in the beginning of your weight loss journey you can be a little more lax with them.
I don't understand why everyone in these forums can't be happy for someone when they have found something that works for them. The moment someone mentions they've cut out grains, starches and sugars, it's debunked with "you don't have to cut those out to lose weight". What works for you doesn't necessarily work for me or the OP.
"If I eat grains and starches while being in a deficit, I don't lose weight"
Yup no nonsense in your post I replied to. Solid strawman through, where did someone say insulin resistance was nonsense?0 -
It is interesting that someone posts a success story about how her body reacted to cutting grains and instantly the haters come out to play.
My N-1 experiment
Cut all grains and processed sugars. During the weight loss phase of my journey kept carbs below 50 gr/day. Also eliminated most vegetable and seed oils. Fats used were coconut oil, animal fats, and olive oil.
Successes:
Lost 90 pounds (go ahead, call that water weight) and have maintained that loss for over 3 months now.
Acne disappeared.
A couple other skin issues that were not resolved using doctor recommended cortisone creams disappeared.
Energy levels are thru the roof.
I had a bilateral lung transplant in January. Out of the more than 500 lung transplants performed by my team, I had the fastest recovery. I was out of the hospital in 9 days.
During post transplant pulmonary rehab, I had the 2nd best Six Minute Walk Test (6MWT) results ever. #1 was a early 30's Army Ranger. I am 53.
The lung disease I had was Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis, and I was end stage. One symptom that many IPF'rs have is a debilitating cough that often required morphine to control. After removing grains and sugars the cough went away. That is huge. I have helped a few others also eliminate these foods and they have also seen great results.
I continue to recover ahead of the curve, and my recovery success is in a large part due to my healthy nutrition.
And no, I do not have Celiac Disease.
It is interesting how people feel that they have to jump in and try to debase a grain free diet every time there is a post in this forum. You know, if you want to eat wonder bread and pasta every day, go for it. I don't care what you do with your life. You want to be a vegetarian and post about how wonderful that lifestyle is, good on you. I'll not troll your post and try to convince you otherwise. Why is it you all feel so driven to try and dissuade those of us who have found success with a grain free lifestyle?
So pointing out lies and fallacies is being a hater? Good to know.
Oh and sucrose, is that a processed or natural sugar?0 -
It's wise to eliminate or strictly limit processed foods... but specifically focusing on grains/bread and basically convincing others that they are the only problem on the path toward weight loss is not the best advice.
There are many types of processed foods... Avoid as much as them as you can and don't single out grains/bread as the culprit.
There was nothing in her post trying to convince others that they must give up grains in order to lose weight. Nor did she give advice to others to eliminate them.
Well then unfortunately, you lack reading comprehension.
I guess I do too. Where did she try to convince us? She gave us her experience and wanted to know if anyone else experienced that.i have been gluten free for a year now and I have never felt better in my life but my weight hasn't moved.
Bland statement of personal life fact. No correlations, not claims, nothing. She has been gluten free for 1 year and has not lost weight.I recently started not eating any grains mostly as an "experiment"........
Bland statement of personal life fact. Experiment. She is not making any claims or giving advice.it's been 3 weeks and I'm down 10 pounds! I realize it's mostly water weight
Another bland statement of a personal life fact. It has been 21 days and she lost 10 pounds. She also acknowledges water weight. She is not giving any advice at all, but instead saying what she personally experienced in her personal life. I lost 4 pounds over the last month and some is water weight. That is not telling you to do anything at all - that is me telling you what happened in my life over the past month.but I couldn't lose it before being grain free.
She states that grains are what she attributes to her weight loss. I'm assuming here, but she is (imo) implying that despite all of her efforts, it seems that only cutting grains has worked. There are a lot of other factors that likely played into her weight loss, yes, but she is just relaying her experience to us. She is not giving advice at all. If she were, she'd have ended this with "Try it, it works!" or, "And here is my book/blog/youtube about it!"My skin, my stomach, my attitude and my sleep are all improved!
Again, factual information about her personal being. It's not exactly unheard of, either. In fact, I wouldn't even dispute this, personally. She isn't telling you to do anything.I am excited!
She is excited!Is there any one else with a similar story? I'm very interested to hear!!
She is soliciting similar stories, not giving advice. In fact, she is really interested to hear about your experience! In fact, this may be because she isn't even sure if it is related to grains and wants some people's input! IN FACT, this disputes that she is giving advice at all because not once in her entire paragraph did she give advice rather than tell us about her experience!
OP, it was probably calories because grains are pretty tricky to track, but I am so happy for you and it is great that you are feeling better! :-)0 -
It is interesting that someone posts a success story about how her body reacted to cutting grains and instantly the haters come out to play.
My N-1 experiment
Cut all grains and processed sugars. During the weight loss phase of my journey kept carbs below 50 gr/day. Also eliminated most vegetable and seed oils. Fats used were coconut oil, animal fats, and olive oil.
Successes:
Lost 90 pounds (go ahead, call that water weight) and have maintained that loss for over 3 months now.
Acne disappeared.
A couple other skin issues that were not resolved using doctor recommended cortisone creams disappeared.
Energy levels are thru the roof.
I had a bilateral lung transplant in January. Out of the more than 500 lung transplants performed by my team, I had the fastest recovery. I was out of the hospital in 9 days.
During post transplant pulmonary rehab, I had the 2nd best Six Minute Walk Test (6MWT) results ever. #1 was a early 30's Army Ranger. I am 53.
The lung disease I had was Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis, and I was end stage. One symptom that many IPF'rs have is a debilitating cough that often required morphine to control. After removing grains and sugars the cough went away. That is huge. I have helped a few others also eliminate these foods and they have also seen great results.
I continue to recover ahead of the curve, and my recovery success is in a large part due to my healthy nutrition.
And no, I do not have Celiac Disease.
It is interesting how people feel that they have to jump in and try to debase a grain free diet every time there is a post in this forum. You know, if you want to eat wonder bread and pasta every day, go for it. I don't care what you do with your life. You want to be a vegetarian and post about how wonderful that lifestyle is, good on you. I'll not troll your post and try to convince you otherwise. Why is it you all feel so driven to try and dissuade those of us who have found success with a grain free lifestyle?
So pointing out lies and fallacies is being a hater? Good to know.
Oh and sucrose, is that a processed or natural sugar?
Ha Ha.... your one of those earth is flat guys. Go to dietdoctor.com and watch the video with a picture of the evolution of man into a fat guy.0 -
It's wise to eliminate or strictly limit processed foods... but specifically focusing on grains/bread and basically convincing others that they are the only problem on the path toward weight loss is not the best advice.
There are many types of processed foods... Avoid as much as them as you can and don't single out grains/bread as the culprit.
There was nothing in her post trying to convince others that they must give up grains in order to lose weight. Nor did she give advice to others to eliminate them.
She connected being grain/gluten free with her success for weight loss and feeling better about herself when she has no apparent medical condition or allergy against grains/gluten.
The reason she is lighter, feeling better, with greater confidence, and seeing results is due to calorie restriction... Not a restriction of grains/bread per se (unless specifically diagnosed by a doctor as being sensitive to these foods).
Maybe she is not allergic to processed food either...yet...you gave her advice to avoid them.
Many people eat processed food and still fall in the healthy category. I eat whole foods all week long...on the weekends not so much.
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It is interesting that someone posts a success story about how her body reacted to cutting grains and instantly the haters come out to play.
My N-1 experiment
Cut all grains and processed sugars. During the weight loss phase of my journey kept carbs below 50 gr/day. Also eliminated most vegetable and seed oils. Fats used were coconut oil, animal fats, and olive oil.
Successes:
Lost 90 pounds (go ahead, call that water weight) and have maintained that loss for over 3 months now.
Acne disappeared.
A couple other skin issues that were not resolved using doctor recommended cortisone creams disappeared.
Energy levels are thru the roof.
I had a bilateral lung transplant in January. Out of the more than 500 lung transplants performed by my team, I had the fastest recovery. I was out of the hospital in 9 days.
During post transplant pulmonary rehab, I had the 2nd best Six Minute Walk Test (6MWT) results ever. #1 was a early 30's Army Ranger. I am 53.
The lung disease I had was Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis, and I was end stage. One symptom that many IPF'rs have is a debilitating cough that often required morphine to control. After removing grains and sugars the cough went away. That is huge. I have helped a few others also eliminate these foods and they have also seen great results.
I continue to recover ahead of the curve, and my recovery success is in a large part due to my healthy nutrition.
And no, I do not have Celiac Disease.
It is interesting how people feel that they have to jump in and try to debase a grain free diet every time there is a post in this forum. You know, if you want to eat wonder bread and pasta every day, go for it. I don't care what you do with your life. You want to be a vegetarian and post about how wonderful that lifestyle is, good on you. I'll not troll your post and try to convince you otherwise. Why is it you all feel so driven to try and dissuade those of us who have found success with a grain free lifestyle?
So pointing out lies and fallacies is being a hater? Good to know.
Oh and sucrose, is that a processed or natural sugar?
Ha Ha.... your one of those earth is flat guys. Go to dietdoctor.com and watch the video with a picture of the evolution of man into a fat guy.
Flat earther? And you use the laughable diet doctor as a counter? The same diet doctor that preys on the ignorance of people?
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Great job, OP - glad this work for you. You might consider getting tested for a gluten insensitivity to see if that’s what’s at play.It is interesting that someone posts a success story about how her body reacted to cutting grains and instantly the haters come out to play.
My N-1 experiment
Cut all grains and processed sugars. During the weight loss phase of my journey kept carbs below 50 gr/day. Also eliminated most vegetable and seed oils. Fats used were coconut oil, animal fats, and olive oil.
Successes:
Lost 90 pounds (go ahead, call that water weight) and have maintained that loss for over 3 months now.
Acne disappeared.
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My N = 1 experiment: cut out all grains and processed sugars, went vegetarian, kept this up for about 9 months.
Successes:
None. Lost no weight, acne did not disappear.
No one is “bashing” a grain-free lifestyle; simply pointing out that it isn’t necessary and might not work for everyone. But if someone’s happy with it, then that’s great.
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It's wise to eliminate or strictly limit processed foods... but specifically focusing on grains/bread and basically convincing others that they are the only problem on the path toward weight loss is not the best advice.
There are many types of processed foods... Avoid as much as them as you can and don't single out grains/bread as the culprit.
There was nothing in her post trying to convince others that they must give up grains in order to lose weight. Nor did she give advice to others to eliminate them.
She connected being grain/gluten free with her success for weight loss and feeling better about herself when she has no apparent medical condition or allergy against grains/gluten.
The reason she is lighter, feeling better, with greater confidence, and seeing results is due to calorie restriction... Not a restriction of grains/bread per se (unless specifically diagnosed by a doctor as being sensitive to these foods).
What happened to your post telling me that I had no reading comprehension? I missed it but saw your response in someone elses reply.
Maybe I missed where the OP said that everyone should be grain free. I have read her first post and I just can't see it.
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Every body is going to react different. I would recommend reading Wheat Belly by Dr. William Davis as a good primer. I've been wheat and grain free for two years. Kept my weight off and my asthma and acid reflux disappeared. If I eat grains or wheat, they come back. To each their own, but there's research out there supporting both sides of the argument.0
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That's wonderful. But just so everyone is clear, the exclusion of grains is not what made you thinner. Rather, the reduction of overall calories did.
You could go dairy free, meat free, butter free, etc. etc. and still possibly lose weight... That doesn't mean those foods are evil or should be excluded altogether. In fact, it is very silly to exclude any whole food aside from having an allergy or medical reaction to it. Variety is the spice of life.
People exclude certain whole foods from their diet for a variety of reasons other than medical conditions. Why is that silly? Shouldn't we all be able to select our own diets based on our preferences?
Sure. You can eat whatever you like to lose weight. What you CAN'T do is claim you can eat the same amount of calories, but just cut out certain foods, and have that cause weight loss. Sorry, but it's just not possible.0 -
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lauraesh0384 wrote: »lauraesh0384 wrote: »@earlnabby good job! My point is that with the lack of processed grains, I dropped 10 pounds, what's so hard to about that?
Don't listen to all the naysayers. Just because they can eat grains and starches to lose weight, it doesn't mean all of us can. Good job! I personally went from to 240 to my current 169 by cutting out all grains, starches and refined sugar. If I eat grains and starches while being in a deficit, I don't lose weight. It's all a matter of how your body responds to those foods. Insulin resistance is real.
And here comes the nonsense. So insulin resistance isn't at all factored into the energy balance equation?
Of course it is. If you eat more calories than you burn, obviously you're not going to lose weight. That wasn't the point behind my statement. My point was that "diets" aren't a one size fits all. Insulin resistance isn't nonsense. It makes sense. It would explain why person A can eat grains and starches and lose weight, why person B eats those exact same foods and doesn't lose weight or gains weight. It's all about whether your body locks those calories away in your fat cells or if it allows them to be used for energy. Of course in the end regardless of what WOE you're following, calories do matter. Maybe in the beginning of your weight loss journey you can be a little more lax with them.
I don't understand why everyone in these forums can't be happy for someone when they have found something that works for them. The moment someone mentions they've cut out grains, starches and sugars, it's debunked with "you don't have to cut those out to lose weight". What works for you doesn't necessarily work for me or the OP.
But you DON'T have to cut anything out to lose weight. That's the point. For ANYONE.0 -
It's wise to eliminate or strictly limit processed foods... but specifically focusing on grains/bread and basically convincing others that they are the only problem on the path toward weight loss is not the best advice.
There are many types of processed foods... Avoid as much as them as you can and don't single out grains/bread as the culprit.
There was nothing in her post trying to convince others that they must give up grains in order to lose weight. Nor did she give advice to others to eliminate them.
She connected being grain/gluten free with her success for weight loss and feeling better about herself when she has no apparent medical condition or allergy against grains/gluten.
The reason she is lighter, feeling better, with greater confidence, and seeing results is due to calorie restriction... Not a restriction of grains/bread per se (unless specifically diagnosed by a doctor as being sensitive to these foods).
Maybe she is not allergic to processed food either...yet...you gave her advice to avoid them.
Many people eat processed food and still fall in the healthy category. I eat whole foods all week long...on the weekends not so much.
DO NOT avoid Processed Foods (in order to maintain a better lifestyle and a healthier diet)... SAID NO DOCTOR EVER.
Nice try at a Strawman technique, though. I'm kind of done trying to debate with you if this is where your mind is set.
To all, use common sense instead of listening to people like this. Your health will thank you.0 -
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blamundson wrote: »Every body is going to react different. I would recommend reading Wheat Belly by Dr. William Davis as a good primer. I've been wheat and grain free for two years. Kept my weight off and my asthma and acid reflux disappeared. If I eat grains or wheat, they come back. To each their own, but there's research out there supporting both sides of the argument.
Yay pseudoscience!0 -
That's wonderful. But just so everyone is clear, the exclusion of grains is not what made you thinner. Rather, the reduction of overall calories did.
You could go dairy free, meat free, butter free, etc. etc. and still possibly lose weight... That doesn't mean those foods are evil or should be excluded altogether. In fact, it is very silly to exclude any whole food aside from having an allergy or medical reaction to it. Variety is the spice of life.
People exclude certain whole foods from their diet for a variety of reasons other than medical conditions. Why is that silly? Shouldn't we all be able to select our own diets based on our preferences?
Sure. You can eat whatever you like to lose weight. What you CAN'T do is claim you can eat the same amount of calories, but just cut out certain foods, and have that cause weight loss. Sorry, but it's just not possible.
Nor did I say that. Matter of fact I didn't bring up calories at all. Not sure why you think I did.
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blamundson wrote: »Every body is going to react different. I would recommend reading Wheat Belly by Dr. William Davis as a good primer. I've been wheat and grain free for two years. Kept my weight off and my asthma and acid reflux disappeared. If I eat grains or wheat, they come back. To each their own, but there's research out there supporting both sides of the argument.
Yay pseudoscience!
In a world of Nutritional Science vs. Pseudoscience... Pseudoscience, it seems, is easer for people who aren't interested in the truth to understand.0 -
It's wise to eliminate or strictly limit processed foods... but specifically focusing on grains/bread and basically convincing others that they are the only problem on the path toward weight loss is not the best advice.
There are many types of processed foods... Avoid as much as them as you can and don't single out grains/bread as the culprit.
There was nothing in her post trying to convince others that they must give up grains in order to lose weight. Nor did she give advice to others to eliminate them.
She connected being grain/gluten free with her success for weight loss and feeling better about herself when she has no apparent medical condition or allergy against grains/gluten.
The reason she is lighter, feeling better, with greater confidence, and seeing results is due to calorie restriction... Not a restriction of grains/bread per se (unless specifically diagnosed by a doctor as being sensitive to these foods).
Maybe she is not allergic to processed food either...yet...you gave her advice to avoid them.
Many people eat processed food and still fall in the healthy category. I eat whole foods all week long...on the weekends not so much.
DO NOT avoid Processed Foods (in order to maintain a better lifestyle and a healthier diet)... SAID NO DOCTOR EVER.
Nice try at a Strawman technique, though. I'm kind of done trying to debate with you if this is where your mind is set.
To all, use common sense instead of listening to people like this. Your health will thank you.
Well...okay.
Notice however I did not encourage nor discourage anyone about eating processed foods.
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...Not worth it.0 -
That's wonderful. But just so everyone is clear, the exclusion of grains is not what made you thinner. Rather, the reduction of overall calories did.
You could go dairy free, meat free, butter free, etc. etc. and still possibly lose weight... That doesn't mean those foods are evil or should be excluded altogether. In fact, it is very silly to exclude any whole food aside from having an allergy or medical reaction to it. Variety is the spice of life.
People exclude certain whole foods from their diet for a variety of reasons other than medical conditions. Why is that silly? Shouldn't we all be able to select our own diets based on our preferences?
Sure. You can eat whatever you like to lose weight. What you CAN'T do is claim you can eat the same amount of calories, but just cut out certain foods, and have that cause weight loss. Sorry, but it's just not possible.
Nor did I say that. Matter of fact I didn't bring up calories at all. Not sure why you think I did.
The OP did. And that was what my first response was to. You were defending the OP in your statement, were you not? *shrug*
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So pointing out lies and fallacies is being a hater? Good to know.
No, but spewing ignorance and making ad homenim attacks is. If you were actually interested in the science, I would try to help you with your ignorance, but it is obvious that your main interest is in being a Troll. So it's really not worth my time.
There is not harm in eliminating grains. The few nutrients that my be found in them can also easily be found in other whole foods such as vegetables, nuts and non-grain seeds. Grains have anti nutrients and too many empty calories for my liking. Not eating grains will not adversely effect health, so I do not understand the virulent opposition to a grain free lifestyle that is found on this site.
The main difference between me and you is that I don't really care how you achieve your success. If you posted that you acquired those abs by eating gummy bears and doing 12 oz curls, I'd congratulate you on your success and hard work and move on. A slightly different approach than you.
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