Sugars
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mantium999 wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
I enjoy the fact that you use the internet and YouTube as validation, while telling someone to ignore a poster on the internet. Good stuff.
This poster is not an MD, Dietician or Nutritionist, correct?
are you?
Dr. Oz has an MD.0 -
fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
Nope, does not work that way. You are making the ridiculous claims so it is on you to backup said claims. If the information is as accessible as you say it is then you should have no problem locating a peer reviewed subject on the matter.
Or, as I suspect, you have zero clue as to what you are claiming.
No you are making a ridiculous claim.
Please direct me to a video or article by an MD, dietician or nutritionist that says refined sugar is good for you, and that there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Crickets...
LOL really? So you are saying that you can eat refined sugar, be in a calorie deficit, and NOT lose weight? Is that your argument, really?
bahahahahahahahahaha
FYI - You need to cut back on ALL calories to lose weight.
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Most people fail at dieting, whether they count calories or don't count calories. Just because it's easy for you and others who post here to be in a calorie deficit does not mean it is easy for others. In fact, it is very difficult.
So you project your success onto others and tell them not to worry about refined sugar. Just cut ALL calories.
Sorry, but the first thing you should cut back on to try to maintain a calorie deficit is refined sugar, because it is a junk substance with no nutritional benefit that provides no satiety. Again, I'm not saying to never have it.
The best example is Coke (drink water, unsweetened tea or Diet Coke instead). Another great example is a 10 oz. glass of orange juice (eat an orange instead, which has far fewer calories, plus fiber). Is a cream-filled donut the best way to start your day? I don't think so, unless you want to be starved in a few hours.
And it sounds like you are projecting a bit as well, no? Sorry you can't have a donut in the morning and feel full for more than a few hours. But that doesn't mean no one can or should. What if my donut has fiber? Does that make it okay? I'm pretty sure they have fat as well, especially if they are cream filled. So...what's the magical cutoff for macros in foods to make them acceptable?
Don't listen to me.
Someone walks into a dietician's office or nutritionist's office and needs to lose 75 lbs. Does the dietician assume that the person is eating too much fish, chicken and steak, or too much refined garbage that is loaded with sugar, along with garbage that is mostly sugar? Take a guess.
The blowback here is unbelievable. This could be the only weight loss site on the planet where most posters tell you to not to worry about sugar. Just cut back an ALL calories - "NO BIG DEAL. I CAN DO IT SO YOU CAN DO IT."
Personally, I went into a calorie deficit not by counting calories, but by going on a low-refined sugar, low-carb from grains, high fat regimen (not a diet). And I only needed to eat at meal times.
There is a low-carb (and presumably low-sugar) group on this site with thousands of members. I'm not the only one.
Questioning your statements isn't blowback. It's a conversation. When you talk to people in real life, do you just make statements and then run away before they can respond?
No one here will say that someone wanting to cut down on their sugar consumption because it helps them create a calorie deficit is wrong, or that they should eat sugar just because they can.
It's when people like you come in and say that we MUST cut down on sugar to lose weight that it becomes a problem. Because it just ain't true.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
There's a funny thing about cardiologists. You might not know this but they work on hearts, not nutrition. A cardiologist knows as much about nutrition as your average high school student.ceoverturf wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone spouts debatable information and then expects someone to go find where they got that information from. It's not our responsibility to search for sources you should have at hand if you're willing to start a debate.
More than just a pet peeve...it's completely against how debating works...on the internet or otherwise.
You make the claim, you back it up.
For example: source for the above claim... http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm
Here is one by a CARDIOLOGIST. I am not going to direct you to every video and web site that says refined sugar is bad for you. There are hundreds of them and they are easy to find.
On the other hand, you can not find a single credible video that says refined sugar is good for you and there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Burden of proof is on you, not me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDLypjo5FI
dr oz comes to mind...
@Eric7259 would you let a cardiologist operate on your brain? I assume no, so why would you take nutrition advice from one?
Shoot, you beat me to it.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
There's a funny thing about cardiologists. You might not know this but they work on hearts, not nutrition. A cardiologist knows as much about nutrition as your average high school student.ceoverturf wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone spouts debatable information and then expects someone to go find where they got that information from. It's not our responsibility to search for sources you should have at hand if you're willing to start a debate.
More than just a pet peeve...it's completely against how debating works...on the internet or otherwise.
You make the claim, you back it up.
For example: source for the above claim... http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm
Here is one by a CARDIOLOGIST. I am not going to direct you to every video and web site that says refined sugar is bad for you. There are hundreds of them and they are easy to find.
On the other hand, you can not find a single credible video that says refined sugar is good for you and there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Burden of proof is on you, not me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDLypjo5FI
Keep coming back at me. I'll just keep coming back with more evidence.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20130114/sugar-excess-weight
Now, if you could post a single credible source, that would be fancy, unfortunately you don't.
But don't worry, I already did for you a bit above this post. Read through it if you like.
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fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
Nope, does not work that way. You are making the ridiculous claims so it is on you to backup said claims. If the information is as accessible as you say it is then you should have no problem locating a peer reviewed subject on the matter.
Or, as I suspect, you have zero clue as to what you are claiming.
No you are making a ridiculous claim.
Please direct me to a video or article by an MD, dietician or nutritionist that says refined sugar is good for you, and that there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Crickets...
LOL really? So you are saying that you can eat refined sugar, be in a calorie deficit, and NOT lose weight? Is that your argument, really?
bahahahahahahahahaha
FYI - You need to cut back on ALL calories to lose weight.
Review session -
Most people fail at dieting, whether they count calories or don't count calories. Just because it's easy for you and others who post here to be in a calorie deficit does not mean it is easy for others. In fact, it is very difficult.
So you project your success onto others and tell them not to worry about refined sugar. Just cut ALL calories.
Sorry, but the first thing you should cut back on to try to maintain a calorie deficit is refined sugar, because it is a junk substance with no nutritional benefit that provides no satiety. Again, I'm not saying to never have it.
The best example is Coke (drink water, unsweetened tea or Diet Coke instead). Another great example is a 10 oz. glass of orange juice (eat an orange instead, which has far fewer calories, plus fiber). Is a cream-filled donut the best way to start your day? I don't think so, unless you want to be starved in a few hours.
And it sounds like you are projecting a bit as well, no? Sorry you can't have a donut in the morning and feel full for more than a few hours. But that doesn't mean no one can or should. What if my donut has fiber? Does that make it okay? I'm pretty sure they have fat as well, especially if they are cream filled. So...what's the magical cutoff for macros in foods to make them acceptable?
Don't listen to me.
Someone walks into a dietician's office or nutritionist's office and needs to lose 75 lbs. Does the dietician assume that the person is eating too much fish, chicken and steak, or too much refined garbage that is loaded with sugar, along with garbage that is mostly sugar? Take a guess.
The blowback here is unbelievable. This could be the only weight loss site on the planet where most posters tell you to not to worry about sugar. Just cut back an ALL calories - "NO BIG DEAL. I CAN DO IT SO YOU CAN DO IT."
Personally, I went into a calorie deficit not by counting calories, but by going on a low-refined sugar, low-carb from grains, high fat regimen (not a diet). And I only needed to eat at meal times.
There is a low-carb (and presumably low-sugar) group on this site with thousands of members. I'm not the only one.
LOL yea, go over to the LC group and burry your head in the sand, please do.
I would hope that said dietician would evaluate their entire diet and find out how many calories they are consuming on a daily basis and then work backward from there in reducing intake.
And people cant get fat from eating too much chicken, steak, and fish, really? Ever heard of KFC or long john silvers?
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stevencloser wrote: »
There's a funny thing about cardiologists. You might not know this but they work on hearts, not nutrition. A cardiologist knows as much about nutrition as your average high school student.ceoverturf wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone spouts debatable information and then expects someone to go find where they got that information from. It's not our responsibility to search for sources you should have at hand if you're willing to start a debate.
More than just a pet peeve...it's completely against how debating works...on the internet or otherwise.
You make the claim, you back it up.
For example: source for the above claim... http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm
Here is one by a CARDIOLOGIST. I am not going to direct you to every video and web site that says refined sugar is bad for you. There are hundreds of them and they are easy to find.
On the other hand, you can not find a single credible video that says refined sugar is good for you and there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Burden of proof is on you, not me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDLypjo5FI
Keep coming back at me. I'll just keep coming back with more evidence.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20130114/sugar-excess-weight
do you know what a peer reviewed source is?0 -
fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
Nope, does not work that way. You are making the ridiculous claims so it is on you to backup said claims. If the information is as accessible as you say it is then you should have no problem locating a peer reviewed subject on the matter.
Or, as I suspect, you have zero clue as to what you are claiming.
No you are making a ridiculous claim.
Please direct me to a video or article by an MD, dietician or nutritionist that says refined sugar is good for you, and that there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Crickets...
LOL really? So you are saying that you can eat refined sugar, be in a calorie deficit, and NOT lose weight? Is that your argument, really?
bahahahahahahahahaha
FYI - You need to cut back on ALL calories to lose weight.
Review session -
Most people fail at dieting, whether they count calories or don't count calories. Just because it's easy for you and others who post here to be in a calorie deficit does not mean it is easy for others. In fact, it is very difficult.
So you project your success onto others and tell them not to worry about refined sugar. Just cut ALL calories.
Sorry, but the first thing you should cut back on to try to maintain a calorie deficit is refined sugar, because it is a junk substance with no nutritional benefit that provides no satiety. Again, I'm not saying to never have it.
The best example is Coke (drink water, unsweetened tea or Diet Coke instead). Another great example is a 10 oz. glass of orange juice (eat an orange instead, which has far fewer calories, plus fiber). Is a cream-filled donut the best way to start your day? I don't think so, unless you want to be starved in a few hours.
And it sounds like you are projecting a bit as well, no? Sorry you can't have a donut in the morning and feel full for more than a few hours. But that doesn't mean no one can or should. What if my donut has fiber? Does that make it okay? I'm pretty sure they have fat as well, especially if they are cream filled. So...what's the magical cutoff for macros in foods to make them acceptable?
Don't listen to me.
Someone walks into a dietician's office or nutritionist's office and needs to lose 75 lbs. Does the dietician assume that the person is eating too much fish, chicken and steak, or too much refined garbage that is loaded with sugar, along with garbage that is mostly sugar? Take a guess.
The blowback here is unbelievable. This could be the only weight loss site on the planet where most posters tell you to not to worry about sugar. Just cut back an ALL calories - "NO BIG DEAL. I CAN DO IT SO YOU CAN DO IT."
Personally, I went into a calorie deficit not by counting calories, but by going on a low-refined sugar, low-carb from grains, high fat regimen (not a diet). And I only needed to eat at meal times.
There is a low-carb (and presumably low-sugar) group on this site with thousands of members. I'm not the only one.
Any health care professional operating on assumptions isn't much of a professional.
I think what you're receiving as 'blowback' is just a bunch of people that have had success in achieving and maintaining fitness goals without feeling the need to track sugar... because (unless you have a medical condition) you really don't need to.
But, public forum... feel free to demonize and fear monger.0 -
mantium999 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
I enjoy the fact that you use the internet and YouTube as validation, while telling someone to ignore a poster on the internet. Good stuff.
This poster is not an MD, Dietician or Nutritionist, correct?
are you?
Dr. Oz has an MD.
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fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
Nope, does not work that way. You are making the ridiculous claims so it is on you to backup said claims. If the information is as accessible as you say it is then you should have no problem locating a peer reviewed subject on the matter.
Or, as I suspect, you have zero clue as to what you are claiming.
No you are making a ridiculous claim.
Please direct me to a video or article by an MD, dietician or nutritionist that says refined sugar is good for you, and that there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Crickets...
LOL really? So you are saying that you can eat refined sugar, be in a calorie deficit, and NOT lose weight? Is that your argument, really?
bahahahahahahahahaha
FYI - You need to cut back on ALL calories to lose weight.
Review session -
Most people fail at dieting, whether they count calories or don't count calories. Just because it's easy for you and others who post here to be in a calorie deficit does not mean it is easy for others. In fact, it is very difficult.
So you project your success onto others and tell them not to worry about refined sugar. Just cut ALL calories.
Sorry, but the first thing you should cut back on to try to maintain a calorie deficit is refined sugar, because it is a junk substance with no nutritional benefit that provides no satiety. Again, I'm not saying to never have it.
The best example is Coke (drink water, unsweetened tea or Diet Coke instead). Another great example is a 10 oz. glass of orange juice (eat an orange instead, which has far fewer calories, plus fiber). Is a cream-filled donut the best way to start your day? I don't think so, unless you want to be starved in a few hours.
And it sounds like you are projecting a bit as well, no? Sorry you can't have a donut in the morning and feel full for more than a few hours. But that doesn't mean no one can or should. What if my donut has fiber? Does that make it okay? I'm pretty sure they have fat as well, especially if they are cream filled. So...what's the magical cutoff for macros in foods to make them acceptable?
Don't listen to me.
Someone walks into a dietician's office or nutritionist's office and needs to lose 75 lbs. Does the dietician assume that the person is eating too much fish, chicken and steak, or too much refined garbage that is loaded with sugar, along with garbage that is mostly sugar? Take a guess.
The blowback here is unbelievable. This could be the only weight loss site on the planet where most posters tell you to not to worry about sugar. Just cut back an ALL calories - "NO BIG DEAL. I CAN DO IT SO YOU CAN DO IT."
Personally, I went into a calorie deficit not by counting calories, but by going on a low-refined sugar, low-carb from grains, high fat regimen (not a diet). And I only needed to eat at meal times.
There is a low-carb (and presumably low-sugar) group on this site with thousands of members. I'm not the only one.
LOL yea, go over to the LC group and burry your head in the sand, please do.
I would hope that said dietician would evaluate their entire diet and find out how many calories they are consuming on a daily basis and then work backward from there in reducing intake.
And people cant get fat from eating too much chicken, steak, and fish, really? Ever heard of KFC or long john silvers?
I wish I could find a picture that was in our biology textbook.
A really fat person sitting on a table with a whole bunch of food.
Not a single processed food in sight but easily 5000+ calories on it.
A Maß of beer, a big roast with gravy, sauerkraut, klöße and a bunch of other stuff.
German food, man.0 -
fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
Nope, does not work that way. You are making the ridiculous claims so it is on you to backup said claims. If the information is as accessible as you say it is then you should have no problem locating a peer reviewed subject on the matter.
Or, as I suspect, you have zero clue as to what you are claiming.
No you are making a ridiculous claim.
Please direct me to a video or article by an MD, dietician or nutritionist that says refined sugar is good for you, and that there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Crickets...
LOL really? So you are saying that you can eat refined sugar, be in a calorie deficit, and NOT lose weight? Is that your argument, really?
bahahahahahahahahaha
FYI - You need to cut back on ALL calories to lose weight.
Review session -
Most people fail at dieting, whether they count calories or don't count calories. Just because it's easy for you and others who post here to be in a calorie deficit does not mean it is easy for others. In fact, it is very difficult.
So you project your success onto others and tell them not to worry about refined sugar. Just cut ALL calories.
Sorry, but the first thing you should cut back on to try to maintain a calorie deficit is refined sugar, because it is a junk substance with no nutritional benefit that provides no satiety. Again, I'm not saying to never have it.
The best example is Coke (drink water, unsweetened tea or Diet Coke instead). Another great example is a 10 oz. glass of orange juice (eat an orange instead, which has far fewer calories, plus fiber). Is a cream-filled donut the best way to start your day? I don't think so, unless you want to be starved in a few hours.
And it sounds like you are projecting a bit as well, no? Sorry you can't have a donut in the morning and feel full for more than a few hours. But that doesn't mean no one can or should. What if my donut has fiber? Does that make it okay? I'm pretty sure they have fat as well, especially if they are cream filled. So...what's the magical cutoff for macros in foods to make them acceptable?
Don't listen to me.
Someone walks into a dietician's office or nutritionist's office and needs to lose 75 lbs. Does the dietician assume that the person is eating too much fish, chicken and steak, or too much refined garbage that is loaded with sugar, along with garbage that is mostly sugar? Take a guess.
The blowback here is unbelievable. This could be the only weight loss site on the planet where most posters tell you to not to worry about sugar. Just cut back an ALL calories - "NO BIG DEAL. I CAN DO IT SO YOU CAN DO IT."
Personally, I went into a calorie deficit not by counting calories, but by going on a low-refined sugar, low-carb from grains, high fat regimen (not a diet). And I only needed to eat at meal times.
There is a low-carb (and presumably low-sugar) group on this site with thousands of members. I'm not the only one.
Interestingly that group is private. I guess it's only there to help those who already believe. Shouldn't truth be available to all, and be capable of standing up to critical debate with factual support and evidence?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
Nope, does not work that way. You are making the ridiculous claims so it is on you to backup said claims. If the information is as accessible as you say it is then you should have no problem locating a peer reviewed subject on the matter.
Or, as I suspect, you have zero clue as to what you are claiming.
No you are making a ridiculous claim.
Please direct me to a video or article by an MD, dietician or nutritionist that says refined sugar is good for you, and that there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Crickets...
LOL really? So you are saying that you can eat refined sugar, be in a calorie deficit, and NOT lose weight? Is that your argument, really?
bahahahahahahahahaha
FYI - You need to cut back on ALL calories to lose weight.
Review session -
Most people fail at dieting, whether they count calories or don't count calories. Just because it's easy for you and others who post here to be in a calorie deficit does not mean it is easy for others. In fact, it is very difficult.
So you project your success onto others and tell them not to worry about refined sugar. Just cut ALL calories.
Sorry, but the first thing you should cut back on to try to maintain a calorie deficit is refined sugar, because it is a junk substance with no nutritional benefit that provides no satiety. Again, I'm not saying to never have it.
The best example is Coke (drink water, unsweetened tea or Diet Coke instead). Another great example is a 10 oz. glass of orange juice (eat an orange instead, which has far fewer calories, plus fiber). Is a cream-filled donut the best way to start your day? I don't think so, unless you want to be starved in a few hours.
And it sounds like you are projecting a bit as well, no? Sorry you can't have a donut in the morning and feel full for more than a few hours. But that doesn't mean no one can or should. What if my donut has fiber? Does that make it okay? I'm pretty sure they have fat as well, especially if they are cream filled. So...what's the magical cutoff for macros in foods to make them acceptable?
Don't listen to me.
Someone walks into a dietician's office or nutritionist's office and needs to lose 75 lbs. Does the dietician assume that the person is eating too much fish, chicken and steak, or too much refined garbage that is loaded with sugar, along with garbage that is mostly sugar? Take a guess.
The blowback here is unbelievable. This could be the only weight loss site on the planet where most posters tell you to not to worry about sugar. Just cut back an ALL calories - "NO BIG DEAL. I CAN DO IT SO YOU CAN DO IT."
Personally, I went into a calorie deficit not by counting calories, but by going on a low-refined sugar, low-carb from grains, high fat regimen (not a diet). And I only needed to eat at meal times.
There is a low-carb (and presumably low-sugar) group on this site with thousands of members. I'm not the only one.
LOL yea, go over to the LC group and burry your head in the sand, please do.
I would hope that said dietician would evaluate their entire diet and find out how many calories they are consuming on a daily basis and then work backward from there in reducing intake.
And people cant get fat from eating too much chicken, steak, and fish, really? Ever heard of KFC or long john silvers?
I wish I could find a picture that was in our biology textbook.
A really fat person sitting on a table with a whole bunch of food.
Not a single processed food in sight but easily 5000+ calories on it.
A Maß of beer, a big roast with gravy, sauerkraut, klöße and a bunch of other stuff.
German food, man.
I used to have a link to an article from a clean eater who got fat eating almost 100% clean foods...
I wish I still had it ..
and agree on the german food...0 -
stevencloser wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
Nope, does not work that way. You are making the ridiculous claims so it is on you to backup said claims. If the information is as accessible as you say it is then you should have no problem locating a peer reviewed subject on the matter.
Or, as I suspect, you have zero clue as to what you are claiming.
No you are making a ridiculous claim.
Please direct me to a video or article by an MD, dietician or nutritionist that says refined sugar is good for you, and that there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Crickets...
LOL really? So you are saying that you can eat refined sugar, be in a calorie deficit, and NOT lose weight? Is that your argument, really?
bahahahahahahahahaha
FYI - You need to cut back on ALL calories to lose weight.
Review session -
Most people fail at dieting, whether they count calories or don't count calories. Just because it's easy for you and others who post here to be in a calorie deficit does not mean it is easy for others. In fact, it is very difficult.
So you project your success onto others and tell them not to worry about refined sugar. Just cut ALL calories.
Sorry, but the first thing you should cut back on to try to maintain a calorie deficit is refined sugar, because it is a junk substance with no nutritional benefit that provides no satiety. Again, I'm not saying to never have it.
The best example is Coke (drink water, unsweetened tea or Diet Coke instead). Another great example is a 10 oz. glass of orange juice (eat an orange instead, which has far fewer calories, plus fiber). Is a cream-filled donut the best way to start your day? I don't think so, unless you want to be starved in a few hours.
And it sounds like you are projecting a bit as well, no? Sorry you can't have a donut in the morning and feel full for more than a few hours. But that doesn't mean no one can or should. What if my donut has fiber? Does that make it okay? I'm pretty sure they have fat as well, especially if they are cream filled. So...what's the magical cutoff for macros in foods to make them acceptable?
Don't listen to me.
Someone walks into a dietician's office or nutritionist's office and needs to lose 75 lbs. Does the dietician assume that the person is eating too much fish, chicken and steak, or too much refined garbage that is loaded with sugar, along with garbage that is mostly sugar? Take a guess.
The blowback here is unbelievable. This could be the only weight loss site on the planet where most posters tell you to not to worry about sugar. Just cut back an ALL calories - "NO BIG DEAL. I CAN DO IT SO YOU CAN DO IT."
Personally, I went into a calorie deficit not by counting calories, but by going on a low-refined sugar, low-carb from grains, high fat regimen (not a diet). And I only needed to eat at meal times.
There is a low-carb (and presumably low-sugar) group on this site with thousands of members. I'm not the only one.
LOL yea, go over to the LC group and burry your head in the sand, please do.
I would hope that said dietician would evaluate their entire diet and find out how many calories they are consuming on a daily basis and then work backward from there in reducing intake.
And people cant get fat from eating too much chicken, steak, and fish, really? Ever heard of KFC or long john silvers?
I wish I could find a picture that was in our biology textbook.
A really fat person sitting on a table with a whole bunch of food.
Not a single processed food in sight but easily 5000+ calories on it.
A Maß of beer, a big roast with gravy, sauerkraut, klöße and a bunch of other stuff.
German food, man.
Went to a great German bar in Austin, TX (Easy Tiger, I believe) and pigged out an tons of awesome food. Easily the highest calorie meal I had the whole time I was there and I ate at all the *kitten* food trucks in the city. A ton of awesome brats and mustards and krauts will do the trick as much as ein berliner...0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
Nope, does not work that way. You are making the ridiculous claims so it is on you to backup said claims. If the information is as accessible as you say it is then you should have no problem locating a peer reviewed subject on the matter.
Or, as I suspect, you have zero clue as to what you are claiming.
No you are making a ridiculous claim.
Please direct me to a video or article by an MD, dietician or nutritionist that says refined sugar is good for you, and that there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Crickets...
LOL really? So you are saying that you can eat refined sugar, be in a calorie deficit, and NOT lose weight? Is that your argument, really?
bahahahahahahahahaha
FYI - You need to cut back on ALL calories to lose weight.
Review session -
Most people fail at dieting, whether they count calories or don't count calories. Just because it's easy for you and others who post here to be in a calorie deficit does not mean it is easy for others. In fact, it is very difficult.
So you project your success onto others and tell them not to worry about refined sugar. Just cut ALL calories.
Sorry, but the first thing you should cut back on to try to maintain a calorie deficit is refined sugar, because it is a junk substance with no nutritional benefit that provides no satiety. Again, I'm not saying to never have it.
The best example is Coke (drink water, unsweetened tea or Diet Coke instead). Another great example is a 10 oz. glass of orange juice (eat an orange instead, which has far fewer calories, plus fiber). Is a cream-filled donut the best way to start your day? I don't think so, unless you want to be starved in a few hours.
And it sounds like you are projecting a bit as well, no? Sorry you can't have a donut in the morning and feel full for more than a few hours. But that doesn't mean no one can or should. What if my donut has fiber? Does that make it okay? I'm pretty sure they have fat as well, especially if they are cream filled. So...what's the magical cutoff for macros in foods to make them acceptable?
Don't listen to me.
Someone walks into a dietician's office or nutritionist's office and needs to lose 75 lbs. Does the dietician assume that the person is eating too much fish, chicken and steak, or too much refined garbage that is loaded with sugar, along with garbage that is mostly sugar? Take a guess.
The blowback here is unbelievable. This could be the only weight loss site on the planet where most posters tell you to not to worry about sugar. Just cut back an ALL calories - "NO BIG DEAL. I CAN DO IT SO YOU CAN DO IT."
Personally, I went into a calorie deficit not by counting calories, but by going on a low-refined sugar, low-carb from grains, high fat regimen (not a diet). And I only needed to eat at meal times.
There is a low-carb (and presumably low-sugar) group on this site with thousands of members. I'm not the only one.
LOL yea, go over to the LC group and burry your head in the sand, please do.
I would hope that said dietician would evaluate their entire diet and find out how many calories they are consuming on a daily basis and then work backward from there in reducing intake.
And people cant get fat from eating too much chicken, steak, and fish, really? Ever heard of KFC or long john silvers?
I wish I could find a picture that was in our biology textbook.
A really fat person sitting on a table with a whole bunch of food.
Not a single processed food in sight but easily 5000+ calories on it.
A Maß of beer, a big roast with gravy, sauerkraut, klöße and a bunch of other stuff.
German food, man.
Went to a great German bar in Austin, TX (Easy Tiger, I believe) and pigged out an tons of awesome food. Easily the highest calorie meal I had the whole time I was there and I ate at all the *kitten* food trucks in the city. A ton of awesome brats and mustards and krauts will do the trick as much as ein berliner...
what, no peeps???????????????0 -
lemonsnowdrop wrote: »I find it amusing and coincidental that most people who fear monger and claim added/processed sugars are evil are members who don't have profile pictures, have nothing on their profile and obviously haven't been here long. It's like they join just so they can spew crap like this.
Actually, I've been reading these posts for a long time. Finally decided to join. Enough is enough.
Fantastic. Just what this forum needed.
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fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
Nope, does not work that way. You are making the ridiculous claims so it is on you to backup said claims. If the information is as accessible as you say it is then you should have no problem locating a peer reviewed subject on the matter.
Or, as I suspect, you have zero clue as to what you are claiming.
No you are making a ridiculous claim.
Please direct me to a video or article by an MD, dietician or nutritionist that says refined sugar is good for you, and that there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Crickets...
LOL really? So you are saying that you can eat refined sugar, be in a calorie deficit, and NOT lose weight? Is that your argument, really?
bahahahahahahahahaha
FYI - You need to cut back on ALL calories to lose weight.
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Most people fail at dieting, whether they count calories or don't count calories. Just because it's easy for you and others who post here to be in a calorie deficit does not mean it is easy for others. In fact, it is very difficult.
So you project your success onto others and tell them not to worry about refined sugar. Just cut ALL calories.
Sorry, but the first thing you should cut back on to try to maintain a calorie deficit is refined sugar, because it is a junk substance with no nutritional benefit that provides no satiety. Again, I'm not saying to never have it.
The best example is Coke (drink water, unsweetened tea or Diet Coke instead). Another great example is a 10 oz. glass of orange juice (eat an orange instead, which has far fewer calories, plus fiber). Is a cream-filled donut the best way to start your day? I don't think so, unless you want to be starved in a few hours.
And it sounds like you are projecting a bit as well, no? Sorry you can't have a donut in the morning and feel full for more than a few hours. But that doesn't mean no one can or should. What if my donut has fiber? Does that make it okay? I'm pretty sure they have fat as well, especially if they are cream filled. So...what's the magical cutoff for macros in foods to make them acceptable?
Don't listen to me.
Someone walks into a dietician's office or nutritionist's office and needs to lose 75 lbs. Does the dietician assume that the person is eating too much fish, chicken and steak, or too much refined garbage that is loaded with sugar, along with garbage that is mostly sugar? Take a guess.
If the dietician is remotely competent, he or she should not assuming any of the above, but actually TALK to the person about their diet and perhaps have them log.
I was 75 lbs overweight (I've lost 95 lbs, in fact), and yet I didn't eat all that much sugar and on the whole have not lost weight based on cutting sugar (although I do probably eat overall less because I've been working on my emotional eating issues). The bigger culprits for me were restaurant meals (not fast food, and regular looking meals, just with more calories and extras than home cooked meals), the idea that going out to eat was a special occasion when I did it a few times a week, and in particular my reliance on ordering Indian when working late (which I do a lot). There wasn't a lot of sugar in the Indian food, I don't think.
If I'd just cut back on dessert it wouldn't have addressed my food issues and I'd still be fat.
But enjoy your scapegoat.
Also, what's particularly funny, is that none of your posts have a thing to do with OP's question and your various assumptions about her (that she can't stick to her calories, is eating absurd amounts of "refined sugar" do not appear to be true).Personally, I went into a calorie deficit not by counting calories, but by going on a low-refined sugar, low-carb from grains, high fat regimen (not a diet). And I only needed to eat at meal times.
Great, but why is what worked for you what should work for everyone else? I have no interest in a low carb or high fat diet. I don't feel good eating high fat, and the carbs I eat are for the most part healthy for me, I think. And, sure, I enjoy ice cream, etc., and seem to have no problems eating it in moderation (curry, on the other hand, I still struggle with, because it's so delicious).
In another thread people are getting all huffy claiming that low carb evangelism is not a thing, but it obviously is.
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My dietitian steers me away from blended drinks, not because of the action of the blender or that the sugars are somehow transmogrified in to something less healthy. It's because those sneaky drinks can quickly add up to a lot more calories. Consider how long it takes to munch on a single apple. One apple, one serving, eaten at a decent rate. Now convert four apples in to a smoothie. Gulp. Done.
Apple is great. Apple juice is terrible.
Orange is great. Orange juice is terrible.
It takes four oranges to make 8 oz. of orange juice. Anyone eating four oranges at breakfast?
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My dietitian has plastic food. Each is set out to the standard "portion". One food she held up to me was a cube of cheese and asked if I was eating more or less than that? Cheese is a calorie dense food that can get out of hand very quickly. Hence, the check. Too many calories. Is. The. Problem.0
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My dietitian steers me away from blended drinks, not because of the action of the blender or that the sugars are somehow transmogrified in to something less healthy. It's because those sneaky drinks can quickly add up to a lot more calories. Consider how long it takes to munch on a single apple. One apple, one serving, eaten at a decent rate. Now convert four apples in to a smoothie. Gulp. Done.
Apple is great. Apple juice is terrible.
Orange is great. Orange juice is terrible.
It takes four oranges to make 8 oz. of orange juice. Anyone eating four oranges at breakfast?
I could easily eat 4 oranges at breakfast.
Also, weren't we talking about smoothies? A smoothie is just the same thing blended up, with all the fiber and everything else.
I happen to find that they aren't as satisfying for me, since it actually does make a difference whether I eat or drink calories psychologically (although I don't drink smoothies very fast), but I don't question the many other people who say they work well for them and are satisfying.0 -
Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.0 -
ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
This...
Plus...no one is saying you HAVE to eat sugar. What people are saying is you don't have to eliminate/cut down specifically sugar.
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I guess you did not get the part about how fasting blood sugar misses true diabetics or at least the pre-diabetics. After heart disease, diabetes is the most common ailment in the US. I don't know where you live. And, diabetes is a heavy risk factor for heart disease and cancer.ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
Also, when you tax your pancreas (the organ that makes insulin) with a lot of sugar, it releases a lot of insulin to take care of glucose because the glucose in the blood is BAD. After a while of this (i don't know how long, but it most likely will happen because we do have a lot of diabetics) the cells taking in glucose tell the insulin to get lost, we don't want any more. So? Glucose stays in blood, and it gets high. This is real, please educate yourself.
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ceoverturf wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
This...
Plus...no one is saying you HAVE to eat sugar. What people are saying is you don't have to eliminate/cut down specifically sugar.
That is a tremendously unsubtle and important difference.
This, and the point that some stop by to try stating that their sugar reduction, and not the calories reduced as a result of said sugar reduction, are the cause of weight loss. Not once have I seen a person successfully lose weight, in a calorie surplus, because they reduced sugar. Likewise, I have yet to see evidence of a person gaining weight in a caloric deficit, because they consumed too much sugar. Nutritional and medical reasons aside, the end result of weight loss really is consuming fewer calories than your body uses.0 -
Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.0
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http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/3/651.short
from the abstract:
Numerous clinical studies have shown that sugar-containing liquids, when consumed in place of usual meals, can lead to a significant and sustained weight loss
so yea you can eat sugar and lose weight.
" Supported by the American Beverage Association, Danone Vitapole, and grant no. 1P20RR020774-01 from the National Institutes of Health for the Exploratory Center for Obesity Research. "
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
And here comes the predictable strawman.
Please find me one post where anyone advocated not "looking at your health while you lose weight" (whatever the heck that means)0 -
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/3/651.short
from the abstract:
Numerous clinical studies have shown that sugar-containing liquids, when consumed in place of usual meals, can lead to a significant and sustained weight loss
so yea you can eat sugar and lose weight.
" Supported by the American Beverage Association, Danone Vitapole, and grant no. 1P20RR020774-01 from the National Institutes of Health for the Exploratory Center for Obesity Research. "
the poster asked for a study showing you can lose weight while eating sugar….even though he refused to post anything close to a study about his claims.
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
So, if I don't have a medical issue, eat at my calorie target, get sufficient nutrients, and hit my protein and fat goals, do I get extra points by arbitrarily reducing sugar, and giving those calories to protein and fat, which I've already met target on?0 -
ihatetodietalways wrote: »Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
why is the fall back always that CICO = not looking out for overall health? Where does that lunacy come from…?0
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