Sugars
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http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/3/651.short
from the abstract:
Numerous clinical studies have shown that sugar-containing liquids, when consumed in place of usual meals, can lead to a significant and sustained weight loss
so yea you can eat sugar and lose weight.
" Supported by the American Beverage Association, Danone Vitapole, and grant no. 1P20RR020774-01 from the National Institutes of Health for the Exploratory Center for Obesity Research. "
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »
I guess you did not get the part about how fasting blood sugar misses true diabetics or at least the pre-diabetics. After heart disease, diabetes is the most common ailment in the US. I don't know where you live. And, diabetes is a heavy risk factor for heart disease and cancer.ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
Also, when you tax your pancreas (the organ that makes insulin) with a lot of sugar, it releases a lot of insulin to take care of glucose because the glucose in the blood is BAD. After a while of this (i don't know how long, but it most likely will happen because we do have a lot of diabetics) the cells taking in glucose tell the insulin to get lost, we don't want any more. So? Glucose stays in blood, and it gets high. This is real, please educate yourself.
I read that part and it does not change my statement. Eating carbs doe NOT cause insulin resistance. Yes, the a1c is the best test for catching early blood sugar issues and should be done more often so people who are tending towards those problems can deal with them. The causes are the same no matter if it is detected early or not, and eating carbs is NOT a cause.
I have educated myself thoroughly since I was diagnosed T2Dm 18 months ago. My doctor is a Certified Diabetic Educator and has given me a wealth of information, all of which says that eating carbs does not cause diabetes. Other factors cause it and reducing carbs is the main treatment for anyone that has blood glucose issues. By reducing mine to a max of 180 g a day, I have successfully reduced my a1c to normal levels.
I think you are the one that needs a more well rounded education on the subject.
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mantium999 wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
So, if I don't have a medical issue, eat at my calorie target, get sufficient nutrients, and hit my protein and fat goals, do I get extra points by arbitrarily reducing sugar, and giving those calories to protein and fat, which I've already met target on?
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »
I guess you did not get the part about how fasting blood sugar misses true diabetics or at least the pre-diabetics. After heart disease, diabetes is the most common ailment in the US. I don't know where you live. And, diabetes is a heavy risk factor for heart disease and cancer.ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
Also, when you tax your pancreas (the organ that makes insulin) with a lot of sugar, it releases a lot of insulin to take care of glucose because the glucose in the blood is BAD. After a while of this (i don't know how long, but it most likely will happen because we do have a lot of diabetics) the cells taking in glucose tell the insulin to get lost, we don't want any more. So? Glucose stays in blood, and it gets high. This is real, please educate yourself.
I read that part and it does not change my statement. Eating carbs doe NOT cause insulin resistance. Yes, the a1c is the best test for catching early blood sugar issues and should be done more often so people who are tending towards those problems can deal with them. The causes are the same no matter if it is detected early or not, and eating carbs is NOT a cause.
I have educated myself thoroughly since I was diagnosed T2Dm 18 months ago. My doctor is a Certified Diabetic Educator and has given me a wealth of information, all of which says that eating carbs does not cause diabetes. Other factors cause it and reducing carbs is the main treatment for anyone that has blood glucose issues. By reducing mine to a max of 180 g a day, I have successfully reduced my a1c to normal levels.
I think you are the one that needs a more well rounded education on the subject.
No, it is the insulin response.0 -
mantium999 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
I enjoy the fact that you use the internet and YouTube as validation, while telling someone to ignore a poster on the internet. Good stuff.
This poster is not an MD, Dietician or Nutritionist, correct?
are you?
Dr. Oz has an MD.
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »
I guess you did not get the part about how fasting blood sugar misses true diabetics or at least the pre-diabetics. After heart disease, diabetes is the most common ailment in the US. I don't know where you live. And, diabetes is a heavy risk factor for heart disease and cancer.ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
Also, when you tax your pancreas (the organ that makes insulin) with a lot of sugar, it releases a lot of insulin to take care of glucose because the glucose in the blood is BAD. After a while of this (i don't know how long, but it most likely will happen because we do have a lot of diabetics) the cells taking in glucose tell the insulin to get lost, we don't want any more. So? Glucose stays in blood, and it gets high. This is real, please educate yourself.
I read that part and it does not change my statement. Eating carbs doe NOT cause insulin resistance. Yes, the a1c is the best test for catching early blood sugar issues and should be done more often so people who are tending towards those problems can deal with them. The causes are the same no matter if it is detected early or not, and eating carbs is NOT a cause.
I have educated myself thoroughly since I was diagnosed T2Dm 18 months ago. My doctor is a Certified Diabetic Educator and has given me a wealth of information, all of which says that eating carbs does not cause diabetes. Other factors cause it and reducing carbs is the main treatment for anyone that has blood glucose issues. By reducing mine to a max of 180 g a day, I have successfully reduced my a1c to normal levels.
I think you are the one that needs a more well rounded education on the subject.
No, it is the insulin response.
Well that settles it...I'm convinced
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
why is the fall back always that CICO = not looking out for overall health? Where does that lunacy come from…?
From the depths of a hell where only the metabolically damned can survive. Lakes of non-diet soda threaten to consume the unworthy, and a sugar-coated Cerberus serves as guardian preventing passage to all those who choose to eat in moderation.0 -
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Wow. A study supporting sugar funded by the soda industry. Now that's credible.http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/3/651.short
from the abstract:
Numerous clinical studies have shown that sugar-containing liquids, when consumed in place of usual meals, can lead to a significant and sustained weight loss
so yea you can eat sugar and lose weight.
" Supported by the American Beverage Association, Danone Vitapole, and grant no. 1P20RR020774-01 from the National Institutes of Health for the Exploratory Center for Obesity Research. "
Also it's from 2007. Ancient history.
And your peer reviewed source is where???0 -
ihatetodietalways wrote: »
I guess you did not get the part about how fasting blood sugar misses true diabetics or at least the pre-diabetics. After heart disease, diabetes is the most common ailment in the US. I don't know where you live. And, diabetes is a heavy risk factor for heart disease and cancer.ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
Also, when you tax your pancreas (the organ that makes insulin) with a lot of sugar, it releases a lot of insulin to take care of glucose because the glucose in the blood is BAD. After a while of this (i don't know how long, but it most likely will happen because we do have a lot of diabetics) the cells taking in glucose tell the insulin to get lost, we don't want any more. So? Glucose stays in blood, and it gets high. This is real, please educate yourself.
Glucose in your blood isn't bad.
In fact, you'd be dead if you didn't have any. Insulin's job is to make sure you neither have too much nor too little glucose in your blood.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »
I guess you did not get the part about how fasting blood sugar misses true diabetics or at least the pre-diabetics. After heart disease, diabetes is the most common ailment in the US. I don't know where you live. And, diabetes is a heavy risk factor for heart disease and cancer.ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
Also, when you tax your pancreas (the organ that makes insulin) with a lot of sugar, it releases a lot of insulin to take care of glucose because the glucose in the blood is BAD. After a while of this (i don't know how long, but it most likely will happen because we do have a lot of diabetics) the cells taking in glucose tell the insulin to get lost, we don't want any more. So? Glucose stays in blood, and it gets high. This is real, please educate yourself.
I read that part and it does not change my statement. Eating carbs doe NOT cause insulin resistance. Yes, the a1c is the best test for catching early blood sugar issues and should be done more often so people who are tending towards those problems can deal with them. The causes are the same no matter if it is detected early or not, and eating carbs is NOT a cause.
I have educated myself thoroughly since I was diagnosed T2Dm 18 months ago. My doctor is a Certified Diabetic Educator and has given me a wealth of information, all of which says that eating carbs does not cause diabetes. Other factors cause it and reducing carbs is the main treatment for anyone that has blood glucose issues. By reducing mine to a max of 180 g a day, I have successfully reduced my a1c to normal levels.
I think you are the one that needs a more well rounded education on the subject.
No, it is the insulin response.
Well that settles it...I'm convinced
(OK not really)
I know. He keeps describing the disease itself thinking that the symptoms are the cause.
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lemonsnowdrop wrote: »I find it amusing and coincidental that most people who fear monger and claim added/processed sugars are evil are members who don't have profile pictures, have nothing on their profile and obviously haven't been here long. It's like they join just so they can spew crap like this.
Actually, I've been reading these posts for a long time. Finally decided to join. Enough is enough.
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
There's a funny thing about cardiologists. You might not know this but they work on hearts, not nutrition. A cardiologist knows as much about nutrition as your average high school student.ceoverturf wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone spouts debatable information and then expects someone to go find where they got that information from. It's not our responsibility to search for sources you should have at hand if you're willing to start a debate.
More than just a pet peeve...it's completely against how debating works...on the internet or otherwise.
You make the claim, you back it up.
For example: source for the above claim... http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm
Here is one by a CARDIOLOGIST. I am not going to direct you to every video and web site that says refined sugar is bad for you. There are hundreds of them and they are easy to find.
On the other hand, you can not find a single credible video that says refined sugar is good for you and there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Burden of proof is on you, not me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDLypjo5FI
Keep coming back at me. I'll just keep coming back with more evidence.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20130114/sugar-excess-weight
Now, if you could post a single credible source, that would be fancy, unfortunately you don't.
But don't worry, I already did for you a bit above this post. Read through it if you like.
I did post a source, but nobody cares.0 -
And another youtube video.Oh, here is another one. They just keep coming.
Have you read through the WHO report yet?
Wow. A study supporting sugar funded by the soda industry. Now that's credible.http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/85/3/651.short
from the abstract:
Numerous clinical studies have shown that sugar-containing liquids, when consumed in place of usual meals, can lead to a significant and sustained weight loss
so yea you can eat sugar and lose weight.
" Supported by the American Beverage Association, Danone Vitapole, and grant no. 1P20RR020774-01 from the National Institutes of Health for the Exploratory Center for Obesity Research. "
Also it's from 2007. Ancient history.
And the National Institutes of Health for the Exploratory Center for Obesity Research, but they don't count because sugar people gave some money too I guess.0 -
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
why is the fall back always that CICO = not looking out for overall health? Where does that lunacy come from…?
I am not talking about CICO. I really hope the OP got something out of this.
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
why is the fall back always that CICO = not looking out for overall health? Where does that lunacy come from…?
I am not talking about CICO. I really hope the OP got something out of this.
???ihatetodietalways wrote: »Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.0 -
mantium999 wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
So, if I don't have a medical issue, eat at my calorie target, get sufficient nutrients, and hit my protein and fat goals, do I get extra points by arbitrarily reducing sug0 -
stevencloser wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »Did anyone say calorie surplus??? I just find it important to talk about the health of what we are eating. Excuse me. Some or most of us who have to lose weight are metabolically broken. So, go and find out for yourself what is wrong. Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
why is the fall back always that CICO = not looking out for overall health? Where does that lunacy come from…?
I am not talking about CICO. I really hope the OP got something out of this.
???ihatetodietalways wrote: »Get of the CICO and look at your health while you lose weight.
You brought up calorie deficit and surplus, not me.0 -
ihatetodietalways wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
There's a funny thing about cardiologists. You might not know this but they work on hearts, not nutrition. A cardiologist knows as much about nutrition as your average high school student.ceoverturf wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »fearnsey71 wrote: »You only need to worry about the processed sugars. Sugar from fruit & veg eaten in it's raw state is generally ok because it still contains fibre, which will take the body longer to convert into energy. It's when you blend the fruit (either into smoothies or into juice) that the sugar becomes an issue. The fibre is pretty much removed and the body processes the sugars much more quickly. Well this is what i was told when I went through my diabetes clinics (I'm type 2). I lost my first 14lb just cutting out as much process sugar as possible. When that left me plateauing I then started CICO and exercise and I've lost another 17lb and thats since the 10th of March this year.
you need to worry about processed sugars because you have a medical condition....
OP has not ID'd a medical condition so this is not necessary for her.
There are hundreds of articles on the internet and hundreds of videos on YouTube (many by MD's dieticians and nutritionists) explaining why the totally empty calories of refined sugar are bad for you. Try Sugar and Cancer, or Sugar and Type 2 diabetes, or Sugar and Obesity, etc.
And if your having trouble meeting your caloric goal (like most people), greatly reducing refined sugar and replacing it with fat should help you meet those goals.
Don't take it from me (not an MD, dietician or nutritionist). Do your own due diligence. And please don't listen to some random poster who implies that sugar is just wonderful.
One of hundreds - http://authoritynutrition.com/10-disturbing-reasons-why-sugar-is-bad/
why don't you go ahead and link to a peer reviewed source, which authority nutrition is not.
I eat all kinds of sugar and I am a ten year cancer survivor, and every year at my physical my blood work comes back nearly perfect.
Did you ever think that cancer might be linked to obesity and obese people tend to consume more sugar because they are obese?
There are a thousand different factors that go into what causes cancer and trying to isolate one is idiotic.
There are hundreds of other sources. Look it up.
To tell people who are struggling with weight loss and having difficulty meeting calorie limits (and the vast majority fail at dieting whether they count calories or don't count calories) to just continue to eat and drink something that provides no satiety and is not healthy, is absurd. I'm not saying to give up refined sugar. I'm not saying to give up anything. Just cut way back.
Just because what you do works for you does not mean it works for most people.
One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone spouts debatable information and then expects someone to go find where they got that information from. It's not our responsibility to search for sources you should have at hand if you're willing to start a debate.
More than just a pet peeve...it's completely against how debating works...on the internet or otherwise.
You make the claim, you back it up.
For example: source for the above claim... http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm
Here is one by a CARDIOLOGIST. I am not going to direct you to every video and web site that says refined sugar is bad for you. There are hundreds of them and they are easy to find.
On the other hand, you can not find a single credible video that says refined sugar is good for you and there is no need to cut back if you are trying to lose weight.
Burden of proof is on you, not me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDLypjo5FI
Keep coming back at me. I'll just keep coming back with more evidence.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20130114/sugar-excess-weight
Now, if you could post a single credible source, that would be fancy, unfortunately you don't.
But don't worry, I already did for you a bit above this post. Read through it if you like.
I did post a source, but nobody cares.
You posted a guy who rather wrote a book instead of conduct an actual study.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »
I guess you did not get the part about how fasting blood sugar misses true diabetics or at least the pre-diabetics. After heart disease, diabetes is the most common ailment in the US. I don't know where you live. And, diabetes is a heavy risk factor for heart disease and cancer.ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
Also, when you tax your pancreas (the organ that makes insulin) with a lot of sugar, it releases a lot of insulin to take care of glucose because the glucose in the blood is BAD. After a while of this (i don't know how long, but it most likely will happen because we do have a lot of diabetics) the cells taking in glucose tell the insulin to get lost, we don't want any more. So? Glucose stays in blood, and it gets high. This is real, please educate yourself.
I read that part and it does not change my statement. Eating carbs doe NOT cause insulin resistance. Yes, the a1c is the best test for catching early blood sugar issues and should be done more often so people who are tending towards those problems can deal with them. The causes are the same no matter if it is detected early or not, and eating carbs is NOT a cause.
I have educated myself thoroughly since I was diagnosed T2Dm 18 months ago. My doctor is a Certified Diabetic Educator and has given me a wealth of information, all of which says that eating carbs does not cause diabetes. Other factors cause it and reducing carbs is the main treatment for anyone that has blood glucose issues. By reducing mine to a max of 180 g a day, I have successfully reduced my a1c to normal levels.
I think you are the one that needs a more well rounded education on the subject.
No, it is the insulin response.
Well that settles it...I'm convinced
(OK not really)
I know. He keeps describing the disease itself thinking that the symptoms are the cause.
Please read up on low carb diets and diabetics. Just to prove me wrong.0 -
Oh, I am a she.0
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »
I guess you did not get the part about how fasting blood sugar misses true diabetics or at least the pre-diabetics. After heart disease, diabetes is the most common ailment in the US. I don't know where you live. And, diabetes is a heavy risk factor for heart disease and cancer.ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
Also, when you tax your pancreas (the organ that makes insulin) with a lot of sugar, it releases a lot of insulin to take care of glucose because the glucose in the blood is BAD. After a while of this (i don't know how long, but it most likely will happen because we do have a lot of diabetics) the cells taking in glucose tell the insulin to get lost, we don't want any more. So? Glucose stays in blood, and it gets high. This is real, please educate yourself.
I read that part and it does not change my statement. Eating carbs doe NOT cause insulin resistance. Yes, the a1c is the best test for catching early blood sugar issues and should be done more often so people who are tending towards those problems can deal with them. The causes are the same no matter if it is detected early or not, and eating carbs is NOT a cause.
I have educated myself thoroughly since I was diagnosed T2Dm 18 months ago. My doctor is a Certified Diabetic Educator and has given me a wealth of information, all of which says that eating carbs does not cause diabetes. Other factors cause it and reducing carbs is the main treatment for anyone that has blood glucose issues. By reducing mine to a max of 180 g a day, I have successfully reduced my a1c to normal levels.
I think you are the one that needs a more well rounded education on the subject.
No, it is the insulin response.
Well that settles it...I'm convinced
(OK not really)
I know. He keeps describing the disease itself thinking that the symptoms are the cause.
Please read up on low carb diets and diabetics. Just to prove me wrong.
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
Consider yourself proven wrong.0 -
ihatetodietalways wrote: »I really hope the OP got something out of this.
That she should worry because her sugar is over 24g based on two or so servings of fruit?
Sigh.
But based on that you know she can't maintain a deficit, overeats sugary sweets, should probably do a low carb diet, and likely has diabetes. Good for you.
I'm getting so tired of posts that assume everyone should act as if they have diabetes even when we know we do not and are not insulin resistant, and I am similarly tired of posts that assume everyone eats sugar immoderately or has some reason to cut it out or owes their weight issues to sugar. (And many of us aren't overweight anymore or are very successfully losing despite our approaches--various as they are--to sugar.)
Seems to me that maybe you are looking for a scapegoat and can't accept that people gain weight from eating too much, but too much of all kinds of different foods, depending on the person.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »
I guess you did not get the part about how fasting blood sugar misses true diabetics or at least the pre-diabetics. After heart disease, diabetes is the most common ailment in the US. I don't know where you live. And, diabetes is a heavy risk factor for heart disease and cancer.ihatetodietalways wrote: »Diabetes Epidemic & You, by Dr. J.R. Kraft. He is a renowned doctor in Chicago and he publishes the fact that fasting glucose can miss 20% of diabetics. Yes. He has looked at 15,000 people from age 3-90. There is a lot of information in this book.
And there are TONS of papers about low carb diets. Phinney, Volek, Pulmetter, Noakes, Attia, and others are leading the research.
Stop telling people to eat sugars and instead tell them, go check your fasting insulin with a simple blood test at the doctor. Furthermore, since insulin resistance is a true phenomenon (it is observed before pre-diabetes), we may want to give our pancreas a break and take the carbs slowly. I don't vilify sugar and carbs. There are people who chose to limit them. That is all.
You are equating people with a medical reason for reducing carbs with people who have normal pancreatic function (the majority of the population). They are not the same. Too many carbs does not cause insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. The inability to properly regulate blood glucose is the main SYMPTOM of those medical issues. The causes are many and include:- genetics
- excess weight
- age
- long term use of certain medications, including statins and antidepressants
There is also correlation (not proven causation but there are more studies all of the time) that environmental factors such as higher than normal amounts of arsenic and certain herbicides and pesticides also may have an effect.
Also, when you tax your pancreas (the organ that makes insulin) with a lot of sugar, it releases a lot of insulin to take care of glucose because the glucose in the blood is BAD. After a while of this (i don't know how long, but it most likely will happen because we do have a lot of diabetics) the cells taking in glucose tell the insulin to get lost, we don't want any more. So? Glucose stays in blood, and it gets high. This is real, please educate yourself.
I read that part and it does not change my statement. Eating carbs doe NOT cause insulin resistance. Yes, the a1c is the best test for catching early blood sugar issues and should be done more often so people who are tending towards those problems can deal with them. The causes are the same no matter if it is detected early or not, and eating carbs is NOT a cause.
I have educated myself thoroughly since I was diagnosed T2Dm 18 months ago. My doctor is a Certified Diabetic Educator and has given me a wealth of information, all of which says that eating carbs does not cause diabetes. Other factors cause it and reducing carbs is the main treatment for anyone that has blood glucose issues. By reducing mine to a max of 180 g a day, I have successfully reduced my a1c to normal levels.
I think you are the one that needs a more well rounded education on the subject.
No, it is the insulin response.
Well that settles it...I'm convinced
(OK not really)
I know. He keeps describing the disease itself thinking that the symptoms are the cause.
Please read up on low carb diets and diabetics. Just to prove me wrong.
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
Consider yourself proven wrong.
From that site:
Myth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes.
But...I'm sure diabetes.org isn't as reliable of a source as webmd and youtube according to a couple posters on this thread...0 -
Yes, type 2 diabetic in remission here. Anecdotally, I found white rice far much harder to tolerate than a little sugar. Sugar was never my problem.0
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"lemonsnowdrop
I find it amusing and coincidental that most people who fear monger and claim added/processed sugars are evil are members who don't have profile pictures, have nothing on their profile and obviously haven't been here long. It's like they join just so they can spew crap like this.
Even our beloved MFP has articles stating that sugar calories added to foods, that have no nutritional value are not a good food choice.
The blog on the main page. That isn't fear mongering. The nutritional profile of a food is not debatable, it is kind of a fact.
Why so mean. There is no reason.
Do you hate me cuz I lost weight on a moderate carb diets? I'm not evil I promise!
On the way home from helping at the soup kitchen I saved a baby seal from bad teenagers forcing it to inhale second hand smoke. It was awful...
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professionalHobbyist wrote: »"lemonsnowdrop
I find it amusing and coincidental that most people who fear monger and claim added/processed sugars are evil are members who don't have profile pictures, have nothing on their profile and obviously haven't been here long. It's like they join just so they can spew crap like this.
Even our beloved MFP has articles stating that sugar calories added to foods, that have no nutritional value are not a good food choice.
The blog on the main page. That isn't fear mongering. The nutritional profile of a food is not debatable, it is kind of a fact.
Why so mean. There is no reason.
Do you hate me cuz I lost weight on a moderate carb diets? I'm not evil I promise!
On the way home from helping at the soup kitchen I saved a baby seal from bad teenagers forcing it to inhale second hand smoke. It was awful...
Oh wow a MFP blog said so. Wow such amazing0
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