Almomd Milk vs. Regular Milk vs. Soy Milk

2design

Thanks for the website info. ( http://www.livescience.com/14948-skinny-milk-nutrition-goat-rice-soy.html) It was very informative!

kjm3579

I was never a fan of the taste of soy milk but recently changed my diet and include almond milk. I am using vanilla almond milk to make Vega One shakes (just had chocolate this AM) and it tastes great, almost too sweet (and that's saying something for Mr. Sweet tooth here!).

bcattoes

SOY

Since there's a little soy debate going on I enjoyed reading these guys a while back:

Study: soys link to cognitive impairment and brain atrophy: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10763906?dopt=Abstract

"A variety of calcium-fortified nondairy beverages are now available. However, the bioavailability of calcium in these beverages may differ from that of milk. A study of calcium-fortified soy milk found that the calcium in it was absorbed at only 75% of the efficiency of the calcium in cow’s milk." - http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/2819007.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uIn2L90wA8&feature=player_embedded

Pro Soy Cancer Doctor is even frightened by the facts: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/tofu.aspx

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/kdaniel/2012/02/02/thyroid-cancer-on-the-rise-is-soy-a-cause/

dangers of soy: http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/dangers-of-soy.html

Soy info, Brain Damage and breast cancer: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-your-health.aspx

How to prevent thyroid disease: http://www.ehow.com/how_5678448_prevent-thyroid-disease.html

I suggest people do research before they start believing all of the above. Some of those links are not from the most reliable sources, but interesting reads none the less. And I'll just put here again that I eat/drink soy occasionally and don't see anything wrong with it so I'm not trying to scare you off.

And for those that are wondering how much and what kind of things contain soy, it's in things such as breads, crackers, cakes, rolls, or pastries containing peanuts, peanut oil, soy flour, processed and "natural" cereals, pasta, soy beans, soybean sprouts, sauces, fruit drink mixes, fruit toppings, coffee substitutes instant coffee, hot cocoa mixes, malt beverages, pork link sausage, deli/luncheon meats, commercially prepared meats (used as a meat extender), cheese substitutes, tofu, bean curd, natto, miso, textured vegetable protein, canned soups, commercial entrees, and combination foods, baked goods, such as cakes or cookies which contain soy flour, commercial ice creams and other frozen desserts, Hard candies, nut candies, fudge, and caramels, protein powders (even ones that are not soy protein based), margarine and butter substitutes salad dressings, mayonnaise, sauces, or gravies, Commercial vegetarian products and meat substitutes Heinz® Worcestershire sauce, Lea & Perrins® sauce, fermented soybean pastes (miso and natto), soy sauce, tamari sauce, granola, breakfast bars, Imitation bacon bits, Roasted soybeans or "soy nuts" etc

And that stuff is from an old link I found, didn't bother searching for studies. Though if anyone has any I think it would be interesting to pick apart.

This sounds like it was written by that girl from the State Farm commercial that is dating a French model. :noway:

If you are going to scour the internet for information it's best to stick to reputable sites.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/protein-full-story/#soy

bumblebums

SOY

Since there's a little soy debate going on I enjoyed reading these guys a while back:

Study: soys link to cognitive impairment and brain atrophy: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10763906?dopt=Abstract

"A variety of calcium-fortified nondairy beverages are now available. However, the bioavailability of calcium in these beverages may differ from that of milk. A study of calcium-fortified soy milk found that the calcium in it was absorbed at only 75% of the efficiency of the calcium in cow’s milk." - http://www.truestarhealth.com/Notes/2819007.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uIn2L90wA8&feature=player_embedded

Pro Soy Cancer Doctor is even frightened by the facts: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/tofu.aspx

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/kdaniel/2012/02/02/thyroid-cancer-on-the-rise-is-soy-a-cause/

dangers of soy: http://www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/dangers-of-soy.html

Soy info, Brain Damage and breast cancer: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-your-health.aspx

How to prevent thyroid disease: http://www.ehow.com/how_5678448_prevent-thyroid-disease.html

I suggest people do research before they start believing all of the above. Some of those links are not from the most reliable sources, but interesting reads none the less. And I'll just put here again that I eat/drink soy occasionally and don't see anything wrong with it so I'm not trying to scare you off.

And for those that are wondering how much and what kind of things contain soy, it's in things such as breads, crackers, cakes, rolls, or pastries containing peanuts, peanut oil, soy flour, processed and "natural" cereals, pasta, soy beans, soybean sprouts, sauces, fruit drink mixes, fruit toppings, coffee substitutes instant coffee, hot cocoa mixes, malt beverages, pork link sausage, deli/luncheon meats, commercially prepared meats (used as a meat extender), cheese substitutes, tofu, bean curd, natto, miso, textured vegetable protein, canned soups, commercial entrees, and combination foods, baked goods, such as cakes or cookies which contain soy flour, commercial ice creams and other frozen desserts, Hard candies, nut candies, fudge, and caramels, protein powders (even ones that are not soy protein based), margarine and butter substitutes salad dressings, mayonnaise, sauces, or gravies, Commercial vegetarian products and meat substitutes Heinz® Worcestershire sauce, Lea & Perrins® sauce, fermented soybean pastes (miso and natto), soy sauce, tamari sauce, granola, breakfast bars, Imitation bacon bits, Roasted soybeans or "soy nuts" etc

And that stuff is from an old link I found, didn't bother searching for studies. Though if anyone has any I think it would be interesting to pick apart.

There's an awful lot here. Can you point me to a specific link of the ones you listed above that you think provides proof of harmful effects of dietary consumption of soy? I've spent some time in the past reading studies on soy, and I have yet to see a good one that shows clear evidence of its harmful effects.

lilcassers

Coconut and Almond milk are the healthiest forms you can eat. Soy milk is a GMO (Genetically Modified Organism) which = bad.

Don't focus so much on calories. You will go nuts. Coconut and Almond are so great for you. Better calcium and whole ingredients

bcattoes

Coconut and Almond milk are the healthiest forms you can eat. Soy milk is a GMO (Genetically Modified Organism) which = bad.

What brand of soy milk contains GMO soy?

bumblebums

Coconut and Almond are so great for you. Better calcium and whole ingredients

Better calcium? Can you explain how it's better?

And about whole ingredients... have you ever made coconut or almond milk yourself? I have. I think you have a curiously private definition of "whole" ingredients It is definitely not the case that coconut or almond milk contain whole ingredients; much of the coconut and almond pulp is removed in the process of making the milk.

PrettyGirI

Soy>almond milk>>>>>>>>>>cow milk(blegh)
I don't know how anyone can drink that stuff.

yarwell

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/studies-showing-adverse-effects-of-soy is a pre-existing reading list for the curious. Can't say I've studied it.

bumblebums

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/studies-showing-adverse-effects-of-soy is a pre-existing reading list for the curious. Can't say I've studied it.

If you haven't studied it, why post it?

TheBaileyHunter

Almond milk. It was a godsend when I found it. great in pretty much anything.

I detest regular milk (love milk products, just not milk in it's liquid form) and I'm not a fan of soy milk either.

That said, it seems that organic milk is a bit better than regular milk. Not as phlegm-like or slimy.

yarwell

Baby animals have an enzyme which helps them to break down lactose... adult humans so not posess this!

Many adults do, it's called lactase persistence and we're evolving hence it is spreading. Those without are lactose intolerance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence

wendyholla

I'm lactose intolerant, so I always drink soy milk. I was going to try Almond milk, but soy has a lot more protein and I don't eat meat so I need that extra protein. I only use it in my shake in the morning though bc otherwise I never drink milk.

yarwell

If you haven't studied it, why post it?

a) It's relevant to the topic
b) Someone asked for any published data about adverse effects
c) it's a discussion in a forum

d) WTF is it to do with you anyway what I post ? We have to scroll past acres of mindless animated GIFs so a link to reading material relevant to the topic is hardly inappropriate. I guess you didn't want to see anything negative or something, sorry for disrupting your confirmation bias.

Hollypop725

Almond milk all the way for me. I will occasionally drink cow's milk but it's extremely rare and I never actually buy it. I've found that almond milk makes me feel a lot less bloated, plus it tastes really good! I use it in a lot of recipes (like protein pancakes), with my protein shakes, and over cereal. A lot fewer calories, and I get enough protein and calcium to avoid cow's milk.

bumblebums

If you haven't studied it, why post it?

a) It's relevant to the topic
b) Someone asked for any published data about adverse effects
c) it's a discussion in a forum

d) WTF is it to do with you anyway what I post ? We have to scroll past acres of mindless animated GIFs so a link to reading material relevant to the topic is hardly inappropriate. I guess you didn't want to see anything negative or something, sorry for disrupting your confirmation bias.

I know attention spans ain't what they used to be, but if you look back a few pages, you'll see that I was the one who asked for specific links to data about adverse effects, hoping to see a good study to critique. What you did was post a link and said you didn't read it. That's just a strange thing to do.

You might want to look up "confirmation bias" before using it in a sentence. A claim was made to the effect that soy consumption is harmful. I asked for evidence of it. People supplied some links to sites that were, in their own words, not particularly credible sources. The burden of proof is not on me--it's on people who claim that soy has harmful effects. I don't have to prove that something *doesn't* exist; that's now how scientific reasoning works. Where confirmation bias would come in: if I claimed that soymilk caused harmful effects and only noted the evidence in support of my claim, that would be confirmation bias. I see some of that in this thread, but I don't think I am the perpetrator of it.

bumblebums

Baby animals have an enzyme which helps them to break down lactose... adult humans so not posess this!

Many adults do, it's called lactase persistence and we're evolving hence it is spreading. Those without are lactose intolerance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence

Hahaha, Wikipedia

brower47

I like 1% cows milk despite the fact that I'm not a baby cow (most ridiculous reason not to ever). I produce lactase in excellent quantities and my body readily absorbs the calcium, making my bones stronger, not weaker (second most ridiculous reason since it's udder cowpucky). I'm also a fan of the other numerous, easily absorbed nutrient contained within it along with its yummy taste and low cost.

I drink a cup after every weigh training workout I do as part of my post workout snack.

CoderGal

I know my way around Google Scholar, thanks Can you point me to a specific study that in your opinion establishes a clear negative effect of soy consumption? I am willing to examine it critically.

There's an awful lot here. Can you point me to a specific link of the ones you listed above that you think provides proof of harmful effects of dietary consumption of soy? I've spent some time in the past reading studies on soy, and I have yet to see a good one that shows clear evidence of its harmful effects.

Feel free to read all the links.

Why are you questioning specific people (who are not arguing with you) to find you information, particularly me? I have no idea why you keep asking me these questions. You can't control the internet deary. I keep saying things are vague and I drink soy. I wouldn't be doing that if I thought it was going to kill me.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/studies-showing-adverse-effects-of-soy is a pre-existing reading list for the curious. Can't say I've studied it.

If you haven't studied it, why post it?

Not that I ever want to stick up for yarwell, but I'm pretty sure he said why he posted it.

FYI, most people will not conduct in depth studies of research areas for you before they say something on a forum open for discussion. Many will just give their opinion or tell you what they have seen and there are all walks of life here so expect a large range of replies. If you want that information, your best bet is go to the source, or openly ask where to find sources on a new post under that topic.

LiftAllThePizzas

The burden of proof is not on me--it's on people who claim that soy has harmful effects.

The burden of proof is not on someone who doesn't give a crap either way. Just sayin'