Why the study that showed taking vitamins don't work, is wrong.
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@AlabasterVerve at least try to watch the first long form video (JRE 459) posted before making a judgement.
Can you summarize?
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@AlabasterVerve at least try to watch the first long form video (JRE 459) posted before making a judgement.
Can you summarize?
@Mr_Knight
It's a 3 hour podcast. Lol.
But in RE: to the thread title, skip to 32 minutes in and listen for 10-15 minutes. Prior to that she talks about her history, and her work in cancer research. It's literally 3 hours of knowledge, that you'd probably want to listen to a few times to take in.0 -
SherryTeach wrote: »I just may give up the calcium as well: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/thinking-twice-about-calcium-supplements-2/?_r=0
I will keep mine since it seems to offset the b12 deficiency that metformin can cause.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/23/9/1227
And my prenatals, because of that whole trying to get pregnant thing. Yay for folic acid!0 -
Once again this message board plagues itself with ignorance.
@7lenny7 "I think"
Did you bother listening to the video(s), or did you just see the word vitamin in the title, and then reply with your opinion?
@isulo_kura
Because someone actually showing data backed up by science means they're working for a supplement company?
@Horrorfox I never said that I just asked a question. Also because people do not agree with your viewpoint does not mean ignorance. It means we have an opinion and don't immediately except some spoonfed you tube video. Also a few videos quoting a point of view and where she thinks other's science is flawed does not mean backed by science. There's some interesting points in the videos 'which I have watched' but one point of view does not equal definitive proof of anything. I can find dozens of studies 'backed by science' saying the total opposite.
In reality it all comes down to common sense. If you don't have a medical condition and can't get all your nutrition via food you're obviously doing something wrong. If you wish to throw money at the supplement companies that's fine your choice but remember when looking at science one persons point of view rarely proves anything. It's the body of science that has an effect. From my reading the body of science is that multi vitamins are generally pretty much waste of time.0 -
As a scientist myself, scientists publish their work through peer reviewed journals. So, if this lady has done research proving that multivitamins are useful for the average person, I expect she has published her work and someone can provide the links to the peer reviewed medical journals where this research has published. If not, this is just one more scientist trying to get famous and make some money by looking for a gullible audience.0
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One point that seems to always be ignored on these threads. These recommendations (or recommendations against) are for the general public. Do they stand accurate for those who are dieting (artificial famine) or those who are more physically active than the average person?
I don't take vitamins because of the price but I'm seriously considering it. Throughout my 2 years of dieting I have had low iron readings 4 times (treated it acutely with shots) and my B12 is almost always in the deficiency range (before dieting it used to be borderline). Those are just the ones I tested. I'm 100% sure the ones I haven't tested have suffered as well. Note that this is coming from a person who generally eats nutrient-rich foods.0 -
@aggelikik On the first post, I linked the about her profile on her website. On the bottom of the page shows the papers she's had published.0
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So I watched the initial video. What I saw was a peer - regardless of your view on this women's credentials or reputation I consider her learning adequate to equate her with the authors of the original piece - review of an article published in a medical journal. What I saw was a fellow scientist that was unhappy with the work proposed to her and stating a case for why she felt that the conclusions drawn were potentially flawed. What I did not see was someone saying we should take multi-vitamins, just someone that said the to stop taking them and stop researching it was potentially a bad idea based off the flaws in a journal article.
There seems to be so much assumption that just because she says the journal article was bad, that she was somehow saying that we should all take multi-vitamins, in fact what I drew was that based off that article we shouldn't just throw all future ideas in the bin. She suggested that in fact more research was necessary (I have to agree with that) and that we should stop writing articles with sensationalist headings.
Too often we twist the results of studies to fit our own beliefs or generalize them too much that they start getting applied to things outside their scope. We all have a duty to try and recognise what is being said before we act on it. To me its not about reputation, its about good scientific process and interpretation. I believe that Dr Rhonda found flaws in the approach the article had taken and the conclusions it had reached, however she didn't use those flaws to suggest that the opposite was true, just that we should look more closely and apply better science.0 -
@DoogCampbell That was the initial video. Try taking a bit of time to listen to the other videos I posted, in order.0
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@aggelikik On the first post, I linked the about her profile on her website. On the bottom of the page shows the papers she's had published.
These papers do not appear related to the topic of multivitamin supplements and their effect on the average person though.0 -
@aggelikik On the first post, I linked the about her profile on her website. On the bottom of the page shows the papers she's had published.
These papers do not appear related to the topic of multivitamin supplements and their effect on the average person though.
@aggelikik What is the actual problem that you have with taking a vitamin supplement? That the supplement doesn't work in raising the vitamin levels in your body? That a normal diet will put every average person in normal levels for all vitamins? Or that we don't need natural vitamins for our bodies to sustain a healthy life?0 -
@aggelikik On the first post, I linked the about her profile on her website. On the bottom of the page shows the papers she's had published.
But...none of those papers support the taking of multivitamins....
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@aggelikik On the first post, I linked the about her profile on her website. On the bottom of the page shows the papers she's had published.
These papers do not appear related to the topic of multivitamin supplements and their effect on the average person though.
@aggelikik What is the actual problem that you have with taking a vitamin supplement? That the supplement doesn't work in raising the vitamin levels in your body? That a normal diet will put every average person in normal levels for all vitamins? Or that we don't need natural vitamins for our bodies to sustain a healthy life?
I am not the one who started the thread, so it is not me who has a problem
You started a thread to prove in your opinion that multivitamins are a good/needed thing. I am arguing that I do not see how this thread proves anything of this sort. 0 -
What ever you do or believe, you only should take vitamin's after a visit to your doctor and sufficient lab test if your body needs vitamins or any other supplements.
I see too many people saying, you need to take this or that. Also to many people saying i take this or that.
When you ask them if they went to a doctor or got any blood work done, they look at you if your crazy...because they know they need it.
When you ask how they know ( because i sure want to safe some money on lab testing and a doctor) they come with the arguments...because i know..because some random person, which i never spoke too or seen, on the internet tells me i need it.
the vitamin and supplement industriesare laughing their *kitten* of because of us suckers who take the stuff and put everything in our body without even questioning if we really need it.
When you want/think that you need to take any pills/supplements/vitamin's...go to a doctor first and get some blood work done! They studied that stuff you know.0 -
Signed up for her newsletters at foundmyfitness.com. She, really, really wants me to buy her book and visit her website.
Also, found you can sponsor her and get even more spam. $50k a year for reposting free medpub articles is brilliant. www dot patreon dot com/foundmyfitness?ty=h
I'm not sure why she thinks Joe Rogan will offer much credibilty.
Much more marketing than medicine even though she is not an MD. Still, doesn't pass the sniff test.
I'm blindly siding with the MD's who did the test over the phd.
Methinks Horrorfox is actually Rhonda Patrick.0 -
You can live off just vitamins if you're super obese. That proves that they work....
Careful with the word "prove" in the real world of scientists who have their masters or PhD's in chemistry, biochem, cell/molecular biology, physics, etc... "Prove" is a bad word. If you prove it, that means it is always true and you better have a rebuttal for every argument someone will throw at you. An obese person being able to survive on vitamins alone proves nothing.
In the world of super processed food, many things we eat are enriched with vitamins (like pretty much all boxed cereal). Multivitamins probably don't do much. You pee highlighter yellow after you take one because you're peeing most of the vitamins out. Vitamins were discussed briefly in my biochem course and there is some emerging research that maybe the daily multi isn't so great for you. If you know you have a deficiency of something then of course take that vitamin, but honestly, the research just isn't there to back the claim that your daily multi is going to help.0 -
mojohowitz wrote: »Signed up for her newsletters at foundmyfitness.com. She, really, really wants me to buy her book and visit her website.
Also, found you can sponsor her and get even more spam. $50k a year for reposting free medpub articles is brilliant. www dot patreon dot com/foundmyfitness?ty=h
I'm not sure why she thinks Joe Rogan will offer much credibilty.
Much more marketing than medicine even though she is not an MD. Still, doesn't pass the sniff test.
I'm blindly siding with the MD's who did the test over the phd.
Methinks Horrorfox is actually Rhonda Patrick.
Thank you for your sacrifice.0 -
I listen to all JRE podcasts and that includes Dr. Patrick's episodes.
I like them both. I feel I get a lot of interesting info, but as a "devout skeptic" (TM), I'm a follower of the
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" mantra.
The flow of information from Dr. Patrick is so dense that I cannot follow the trail of evidence fast enough.
I take it under advisement but I don't use it as "rules to go by" insomuch as "wow I never thought of it that way, let's check it out".
The thing I don't like is Joe Rogan pushing her to "recommend" specific supplements for him to try out.
There may be nothing fishy going on, but it definitely lights up my spider senses...0 -
I don't know who those people are and I don't care what they think.0
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the problem with most of these supplements and vitamins is they are highly unregulated and multiple studies have found what is usually claimed is not the case. I don't recommend calcium supplements to men d/t a possible association between cardiovascular disease. the only time I think supplementation of any vitamin is necessary is when actually lab analysis shows a deficiency.0
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mojohowitz wrote: »Signed up for her newsletters at foundmyfitness.com. She, really, really wants me to buy her book and visit her website.
Also, found you can sponsor her and get even more spam. $50k a year for reposting free medpub articles is brilliant. www dot patreon dot com/foundmyfitness?ty=h
I'm not sure why she thinks Joe Rogan will offer much credibilty.
Much more marketing than medicine even though she is not an MD. Still, doesn't pass the sniff test.
I'm blindly siding with the MD's who did the test over the phd.
Methinks Horrorfox is actually Rhonda Patrick.
Well there you go...
$50K, nice
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What are you talking about, there is no 50k pledge on her patreon. The highest you can donate on there is $1500 a year. And no one is forcing anyone to do it. How liberal are you that you are against anyone trying to produce income to invest in her research? Holy *kitten*.0
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What are you talking about, there is no 50k pledge on her patreon. The highest you can donate on there is $1500 a year. And no one is forcing anyone to do it. How liberal are you that you are against anyone trying to produce income to invest in her research? Holy *kitten*.
That's how much she gets total in a year from patreon. $46,505.40 to be exact as of this writing.
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Also a lot of alarms should start ringing if someone tries to sell you something while telling you a piece of established science has been wrong all along.0
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stevencloser wrote: »What are you talking about, there is no 50k pledge on her patreon. The highest you can donate on there is $1500 a year. And no one is forcing anyone to do it. How liberal are you that you are against anyone trying to produce income to invest in her research? Holy *kitten*.
That's how much she gets total in a year from patreon. $46,505.40 to be exact as of this writing.
can someone educate me as to why a legitimate researcher would be using crowdfunding as a source to fund research vs. the traditional methods of finding a grant? I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to how research studies are funded.
Oh nevermind upon further reading it appears she's using that money to continue to disseminate her information to the public and continue making articles and possible find time to write a book. Appears it is not to actually produce any research.
Meh...still seems hokey to me
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ldrosophila wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »What are you talking about, there is no 50k pledge on her patreon. The highest you can donate on there is $1500 a year. And no one is forcing anyone to do it. How liberal are you that you are against anyone trying to produce income to invest in her research? Holy *kitten*.
That's how much she gets total in a year from patreon. $46,505.40 to be exact as of this writing.
can someone educate me as to why a legitimate researcher would be using crowdfunding as a source to fund research vs. the traditional methods of finding a grant? I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to how research studies are funded.
I believe research studies are funded if someone has an interest in the possible findings, that's usually companies coming towards the institute you're working for. If no one cares, you don't get funding.0 -
It's a lot of money for making a few podcast videos a month and the possibility of maybe writing a book some time, assuming she also has a daytime job.ldrosophila wrote: »
Oh nevermind upon further reading it appears she's using that money to continue to disseminate her information to the public and continue making articles and possible find time to write a book. Appears it is not to actually produce any research.
Meh...still seems hokey to me
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UltimateRBF wrote: »I like how the majority of this thread is just the OP making digs at anyone who disagrees with his post. Which in effect brings down the credibility of his post. Whomp whomp.
Quite defensive when it pertains to this particular doctor. Curious as why. I recall a similar attitude in a previous supplement discussion, though I can't put my finger on it. But there doesn't seem to be much actual discussion here beyond an attempt to validate the doc's qualifications.0 -
So if your blood work comes back with no deficiencies, do you think there is a benefit of taking a multivitamin? I tend to do most of my research on www.examine.com ... And most supplements don't provide much value, especially when you have a diverse eating pattern.
And for some reason i couldnt get through the first 3 mins.. she is just annoying.
But i would also caution about putting all your eggs in one YouTube video. You truly want validate from multiple sources to see if its credible.0
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