clean eating
raymax4
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I have seen many people state clean eating does not work. I'm just curious, how do you define clean eating? In your opinion, what is it's successes, or failures. What is it's opposite dirty eating?
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My definition of clean eating - Anything that complies with the five second rule (if dropped).
There is no true definition of clean eating. It typically doesn't work, because "clean eating" diets can be highly restrictive and might not model how the person will eat for the rest of their lives. Depending on what stuff people constitute as "dirty", nutritional deficiencies could develop (such as B12 if someone considers any type of meat as dirty).
The only successes I see is that it *might* encourage people to consume more fruits, vegetables, and whole grains.0 -
Everyone who says they eat clean has their own definition. There is no consensus, one agreed-upon-by-everyone definition.
I eat healthy. I have lots of fruits and veggies, no-fat dairy, whole grains, and lean, white meats. And tuna. If that fits for someone's definition of "clean", yay. If not, that's okay, too. If they don't include me in their idea of "clean," I'm not offended or hurt and wish them well with their plan.
My objective is to be healthy, not to follow a diet plan. So I eat what is right for me. Everyone should do what is right for them.
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I don't know that it doesn't work. Eating at a calorie deficit works. Types of food you eat are more personal preference based on your goals, personal satiety, possible medical conditions, and what you enjoy eating.0
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My definition of clean eating is all natural, unprocessed or minimally processed foods. If by "work" you mean work for weight loss, it will work if you don't overeat.0
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I don't define clean eating because it holds no interest for me. It's like people saying that they eat "healthy," as if eating something they don't is unhealthy.
It seems like its failure is demonstrating that it's an objectively superior way to eat.
I guess its success would be to get some people to pay more attention to what they're eating.0 -
I have seen many people state clean eating does not work. I'm just curious, how do you define clean eating? In your opinion, what is it's successes, or failures. What is it's opposite dirty eating?
When you say it doesn't work - in what way?? to nourish the body and to keep the person alive??
Clean eating is whatever you want it to be. I'm not sure there is any particular or definitive guide.
I'm sure it's just a better and healthier way of eating to the standard diet.0 -
clean eating has been working for me! i have not felt this energetic, at least 3wks out of the month, in decades.
i am not all up on what the term "clean eating" really entails but, for me it is eating heathy based foods 99% of the time instead of junk and processed foods. Now eating my meals throughout the day instead of living on coffee and eating one big meal a day and snacking on junk food at night...it is basically doing the opposite of what i use to do! i gave up added sugars, now measure my portions, make sure to eat my daily raw fruits & veggies everyday (which i blend into a smoothie most days), i now snack on foods like veggie sticks, natural fruit/veggie & seed based snacks, etc..
Basically clean eating for me is eating healthier natural foods and also making sure i only eat the amount of calories my particular body/lifestyle needs per day..and drinking enough water per day as well.
I was telling my DD the other day that i have not taking any migraine medication or a sleeping pill in three weeks and have not had constipation issues (had for years) since i changed to eating clean..Proof to me, it works....however, after first week, the weight loss does seem a lot slower, actually nil this week, but that is more than likely because of my body type and lack of regularly exercising some.
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My definition of clean eating - Anything that complies with the five second rule (if dropped).
This can be extended by 15 seconds if I just cleaned the floor in the last hour and the dog didn't lick what was dropped.
Other than that I don't define clean eating. I eat whatever I want within my calories.
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CI/CO and being a deficit is what works. There are no magical foods.0
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"Clean Eating" Nope, I am not taking this bait
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Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.0
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I don't have a definition of "clean eating" but can say that the less convenience foods and high glycemic load foods I eat, the better I feel. This does work for my health but no one should assume that I think it will work for them.0
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Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
You're making some awfully sweeping, and incorrect, assumptions. Let's take Froot Loops as a food I wouldn't eat for a number of reasons, including the artificial colors and partially hydrogenated vegetable oil.
Not eating Froot Loops doesn't mean I have excluded the food group of grains.The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet.
I haven't run into Froot Loops in decades.When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.)
I wouldn't take a bite and even if I had this wouldn't trigger a binge or an eating disorder O_oyou have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder.0 -
Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
What food group would be cut by 'clean eating'? Individual foods, sure, but we cut individual foods for various personal reasons.0 -
"Clean eating" is one of the better ways to succeed at CICO without tracking calories...
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Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
Why would I eat a food that I don't eat? Where are these parties where only one food is served, and who is forcing me to eat food at the party? Why would I go to a sporting event or eating establishment during a night out, and order something that I don't eat? I'm not a clean eater, but that makes no sense no matter how you eat.
Also, do you have any studies to support your claim that all people who eat clean inevitably binge, or is that just hyperbole or an anecdotal assertion?0 -
No such thing as "clean eating..."0
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Also, do you have any studies to support your claim that all people who eat clean inevitably binge, or is that just hyperbole or an anecdotal assertion?
Using anecdotes to support ridiculous claims is the first play called from the internet debate playbook.
It's a stall tactic to buy time to find a poorly executed study that made it an obscure journal where the author's cronies were the peer reviewers and the journal editors...0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
Wow very impressive, could we put this at the top of every nutrition thread.0 -
Also, do you have any studies to support your claim that all people who eat clean inevitably binge, or is that just hyperbole or an anecdotal assertion?
Using anecdotes to support ridiculous claims is the first play called from the internet debate playbook.
It's a stall tactic to buy time to find a poorly executed study that made it an obscure journal where the author's cronies were the peer reviewers and the journal editors...
If he's just exaggerating, it's fine to acknowledge that, and I'm not going to get on him about it, because I don't consider internet debates to be Serious Business. But I do think it's important to clarify, especially since he relates it to the development of an eating disorder. Too many people out there already who think that an eating disorder is something you "get" like a communicable disease.0 -
You're making some awfully sweeping, and incorrect, assumptions. Let's take Froot Loops as a food I wouldn't eat for a number of reasons, including the artificial colors and partially hydrogenated vegetable oil.
I said foods or food groups. I'm not necessarily talking about the main food groups on the pyramid when I say "food groups". For example, cutting out all foods containing gluten when you aren't allergic to gluten is cutting out a food group, or group of foods containing gluten.Not eating Froot Loops doesn't mean I have excluded the food group of grains.
Already addressed this, I said foods and food groups, froot loops is a food. Also, you can say that all foods containing artificial colors and hydrogenated vegetable oil is itself a food group and it sounds like you've cut out that entire group too.I haven't run into Froot Loops in decades.
Thank you for your ridiculous example lol. Most people don't just cut out one specific type of breakfast cereal and nothing else.I wouldn't take a bite and even if I had this wouldn't trigger a binge or an eating disorder O_o
Congratulations, you are in the minority
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
What food group would be cut by 'clean eating'? Individual foods, sure, but we cut individual foods for various personal reasons.
I sort of addressed this in my reply to the poster above you. I'm not talking about the main food groups on the pyramid, I'm referring to sub groups of foods. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. For example, foods with gluten, foods with added sugar, foods with artificial colors, processed foods as a whole, etc.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
What food group would be cut by 'clean eating'? Individual foods, sure, but we cut individual foods for various personal reasons.
I sort of addressed this in my reply to the poster above you. I'm not talking about the main food groups on the pyramid, I'm referring to sub groups of foods. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. For example, foods with gluten, foods with added sugar, foods with artificial colors, processed foods as a whole, etc.
Do you really think if I cut gluten and then add it back it would make me binge? Like wheat and barley are a binge triggers but rice and quinoa are not? I disagree, but if it were true it sounds like an excellent reason to cut gluten.0 -
mantium999 wrote: »
IMO it usually is.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
What food group would be cut by 'clean eating'? Individual foods, sure, but we cut individual foods for various personal reasons.
I sort of addressed this in my reply to the poster above you. I'm not talking about the main food groups on the pyramid, I'm referring to sub groups of foods. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. For example, foods with gluten, foods with added sugar, foods with artificial colors, processed foods as a whole, etc.
I don't buy foods with artificial colors, but I have attended birthday parties with cakes with artificially colored frosting, and one serving certainly did not trigger a binge, eating disorder, or orthorexia.
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Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
Why would I eat a food that I don't eat? Where are these parties where only one food is served, and who is forcing me to eat food at the party? Why would I go to a sporting event or eating establishment during a night out, and order something that I don't eat? I'm not a clean eater, but that makes no sense no matter how you eat.
Also, do you have any studies to support your claim that all people who eat clean inevitably binge, or is that just hyperbole or an anecdotal assertion?
If you've only cut out one specific food, yea maybe you can go your whole life without ever eating it again, but the more restrictive the diet, the harder it is to avoid the restricted foods indefinitely. Studies have shown that rigid diets are associated with eating disorder, mood disturbances, and excessive concern with body size/shape
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10336790
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11883916
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Sure it can work, but the question is for how long? The more foods and food groups you cut out of your diet because they've been arbitrarily labeled "dirty", the more difficult it is to adhere to your diet. When you inevitably find yourself in a situation where you eat one of those foods again (a friend's party, sporting event, night out, etc.) and you have one bite of your now forbidden food, you're going to binge on that food, and that is extremely unhealthy, and can develop into an eating disorder. Some clean eaters go a month without binges, some can go 6 months or even a year without binges, but in the end they all binge, it's only a matter of when. Don't become an orthorexic, create a healthy, sustainable diet that focuses on hitting healthy calorie and macronutrient goals, and not demonizing food groups.
What food group would be cut by 'clean eating'? Individual foods, sure, but we cut individual foods for various personal reasons.
I sort of addressed this in my reply to the poster above you. I'm not talking about the main food groups on the pyramid, I'm referring to sub groups of foods. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. For example, foods with gluten, foods with added sugar, foods with artificial colors, processed foods as a whole, etc.
Do you really think if I cut gluten and then add it back it would make me binge? Like wheat and barley are a binge triggers but rice and quinoa are not? I disagree, but if it were true it sounds like an excellent reason to cut gluten.
I'm not saying you binge if you add it back on a permanent basis, but if it remains a restricted food and you encounter one instance where you decide to make an exception, or have a "cheat day" as so many clean eaters love to have, chances are you will binge on that gluten containing food. Not to mention that when foods with naturally occurring gluten that have been stripped of gluten, they lose a lot of the micronutrients that were present, so I don't understand the notion that eating gluten free is better for you if you don't have Celiac.0
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