Real women have curves.
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GreenGoddess22 wrote: »I'm late to the game on this one and too lazy to read all the responses, lol.
First, what does FA mean? Fat *kitten*? Food Allergy?
Second, I consider myself curvy. I am height/weight proportionate, healthy BMI, not skin & bones, but certainly not obese. I have a bigger butt and while not huge, a curvy chest. I like the way I look and wouldn't trade it for anything. I personally don't care what anyone thinks about me because I am happy in my open skin nor do I really care about what other women look like.
fat acceptance
the controversy is that by allowing someone to say I feel good despite my size (aka obese) it encourages poor habits and encourages behaviors that are not conducive to health
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PurringMyrrh wrote: »
Is there a disability that makes it physically impossible for someone to lose weight even if they are burning more calories than they consume?MondayJune22nd2015 wrote: »Not everyone thin or obese, is physically able to exercise. Also many disabled people have what's known as an "invisible disability", meaning that it isn't visually obvious; that they're disabled.
I don't believe in weight/choosing to be unhealthy acceptance, I believe in situation acceptance. I don't believe that a person should have to work more and/or harder than another, to achieve the same result but since that's the reality of life, I don't judge their size; just whether the unhealthy person's issues/were a cause of their own choices rather than fate.
I've seen stories under the success forum with people in wheelchairs who can't do physical exercise but were still able to lose weight and become healthier based on diet alone.
In order for diet/CICO to work, one must be able to know any given day; how much Calories will be going out & some disabilities make that nearly impossible. 1st I am hypoglycemic & my body doesn't convert stored sugar; into energy. Luckily this means, I could never starve to death; I'd be dead only after 4 to 20 hours of my last food consumption/depending upon my physical activity & what I consumed last. However this also means that I must eat, even when I'm not hungry; to keep my blood sugars up. I also have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Sometimes I am bedridden, mostly I'm housebound & occasionally I function normally but I never know from one moment to the next, which of the 3 I'll be; so my Caloric needs to lose/maintain my weight aren't consistent and/or predictable. Also because of the CFS, most of the time; I don't have a bowel movement for nearly 3 weeks & yet I am not constipated. My body doesn't have the energy to even digest my food normally, so even what would normally be converted to waste; just gets absorbed.
Prader Willi Syndrome, is another such disability; in which diet/CICO; doesn't always work. They never feel full, after eating & thus eat anything/everything, as if they're starving.0 -
Some women have a hardness to them....some have curves to them...there is a huge difference in fit and curvy as opposed to overweight and curvy. You can certainly be fit and curvy at the same time.....i am. I am sure there are some issues that can make losing weight harder but, again you dont have to be skinny or muscular to be fit. I also feel that if a woman is fat or has FA.....it does not make her a lazy unfit person. Being happy with the body you have is the most important thing. Shaming of any size or fitness level is not acceptable.1
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People can be happy with who they are if they're unhealthy or overweight. It just means they are happy with (or moreso, despite) not being the best version of themselves.0
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Wouldn't a fitbit type of device let you know your calories used?MondayJune22nd2015 wrote: »PurringMyrrh wrote: »
Is there a disability that makes it physically impossible for someone to lose weight even if they are burning more calories than they consume?MondayJune22nd2015 wrote: »Not everyone thin or obese, is physically able to exercise. Also many disabled people have what's known as an "invisible disability", meaning that it isn't visually obvious; that they're disabled.
I don't believe in weight/choosing to be unhealthy acceptance, I believe in situation acceptance. I don't believe that a person should have to work more and/or harder than another, to achieve the same result but since that's the reality of life, I don't judge their size; just whether the unhealthy person's issues/were a cause of their own choices rather than fate.
I've seen stories under the success forum with people in wheelchairs who can't do physical exercise but were still able to lose weight and become healthier based on diet alone.
In order for diet/CICO to work, one must be able to know any given day; how much Calories will be going out & some disabilities make that nearly impossible. 1st I am hypoglycemic & my body doesn't convert stored sugar; into energy. Luckily this means, I could never starve to death; I'd be dead only after 4 to 20 hours of my last food consumption/depending upon my physical activity & what I consumed last. However this also means that I must eat, even when I'm not hungry; to keep my blood sugars up. I also have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Sometimes I am bedridden, mostly I'm housebound & occasionally I function normally but I never know from one moment to the next, which of the 3 I'll be; so my Caloric needs to lose/maintain my weight aren't consistent and/or predictable. Also because of the CFS, most of the time; I don't have a bowel movement for nearly 3 weeks & yet I am not constipated. My body doesn't have the energy to even digest my food normally, so even what would normally be converted to waste; just gets absorbed.
Prader Willi Syndrome, is another such disability; in which diet/CICO; doesn't always work. They never feel full, after eating & thus eat anything/everything, as if they're starving.
And when it comes to PWS, if you knew you had it, and that was the cause of your hunger, then you'd know you weren't starving and be able to adjust your intake accordingly.
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PurringMyrrh wrote: »
And when it comes to PWS, if you knew you had it, and that was the cause of your hunger, then you'd know you weren't starving and be able to adjust your intake accordingly.
That's pretty much what you have to do with PWS. It does in most cases cause some mental deficits, so most of the time they have to be in a very regulated environment to control intake. They also do have slower metabolism and the usual recommended amount of calories is no more than 1000kcals. It can be managed though it's just very challenging.
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PurringMyrrh wrote: »
Wouldn't a fitbit type of device let you know your calories used?MondayJune22nd2015 wrote: »PurringMyrrh wrote: »
Is there a disability that makes it physically impossible for someone to lose weight even if they are burning more calories than they consume?MondayJune22nd2015 wrote: »Not everyone thin or obese, is physically able to exercise. Also many disabled people have what's known as an "invisible disability", meaning that it isn't visually obvious; that they're disabled.
I don't believe in weight/choosing to be unhealthy acceptance, I believe in situation acceptance. I don't believe that a person should have to work more and/or harder than another, to achieve the same result but since that's the reality of life, I don't judge their size; just whether the unhealthy person's issues/were a cause of their own choices rather than fate.
I've seen stories under the success forum with people in wheelchairs who can't do physical exercise but were still able to lose weight and become healthier based on diet alone.
In order for diet/CICO to work, one must be able to know any given day; how much Calories will be going out & some disabilities make that nearly impossible. 1st I am hypoglycemic & my body doesn't convert stored sugar; into energy. Luckily this means, I could never starve to death; I'd be dead only after 4 to 20 hours of my last food consumption/depending upon my physical activity & what I consumed last. However this also means that I must eat, even when I'm not hungry; to keep my blood sugars up. I also have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Sometimes I am bedridden, mostly I'm housebound & occasionally I function normally but I never know from one moment to the next, which of the 3 I'll be; so my Caloric needs to lose/maintain my weight aren't consistent and/or predictable. Also because of the CFS, most of the time; I don't have a bowel movement for nearly 3 weeks & yet I am not constipated. My body doesn't have the energy to even digest my food normally, so even what would normally be converted to waste; just gets absorbed.
Prader Willi Syndrome, is another such disability; in which diet/CICO; doesn't always work. They never feel full, after eating & thus eat anything/everything, as if they're starving.
And when it comes to PWS, if you knew you had it, and that was the cause of your hunger, then you'd know you weren't starving and be able to adjust your intake accordingly.
A HRM only measures Calories burned through physical exertion & wouldn't change my need to eat, even possibly over my Calories; to keep my blood sugars up or measure how many Calories I absorbed by not defecating.
I don't have PWS, I was using that as an example but they suffer from the same feelings, that those of us that don't have it do; if we were actually starving. If you or I even felt like we were starving to death, we'd have to give in to the hunger; it's just a natural response & uncontrollable.0 -
So instead of an HRM why not one of those handheld devices that measure the amount of oxygen consumed? I believe it's what "they" use to measure RMR.0
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PurringMyrrh wrote: »So instead of an HRM why not one of those handheld devices that measure the amount of oxygen consumed? I believe it's what "they" use to measure RMR.
I agree, there is always a way
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asianfashionista86 wrote: »Everyone has a curve somewhere
Slightly to the right.
Thank you for the laughhhh.asianfashionista86 wrote: »Everyone has a curve somewhere
Slightly to the right.
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asianfashionista86 wrote: »Everyone has a curve somewhere
Slightly to the right.
I thought it was to the left.....oh wait, your right would be my left 0 -
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Still disappointed! pulling out now0
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Thank you Mel! I try, it's what sets me apart from the rest of the weirdos 0
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All people have curves. If you ever tried to draw the human figure you'd be hard pressed to find a straight line on them. Unless you're Picasso. And he improvised.1
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Oh no, I was right there with ya. :laugh: I was about to say, it's only responsible if I don't have to sleep on the wet spot.ChangeThePath wrote: »
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tylahquartez323 wrote: »Yes but most people misinterpret this this doesn't mean 200 lb women it means fit with curves ie Ana Cheri
Ana Cheri is every goal. I love her.0 -
Nice thread resurrection. 9/101
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Unfortunately, the people who spout this phrase seem to have trouble distinguishing the word 'curves' from 'rolls' and 'folds.'
Health At Every Size - as long as your size is bigger than mine, or you will be called a 'skinny b***h/aneroxic twig/12 year-old boy.'
Body Positivity - unless you are slimmer than me, then you will be subject to a whole heap of body negativity.
Fat shaming, fit shaming, skinny shaming - it's all the same thing.5 -
My issue with that statement is the suggestion that a woman who isn't curvy is somehow not real.
An image that is more Photoshop than photograph is losing touch with reality, but the woman the image is based on is as real as any other.1 -
I have plenty of curves, but not where I want them to be.0
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I have mixed feelings when it comes to FA.
1) I am hypothyroid. I was born that way. It makes losing weight--especially as a female--that much more challenging, especially when I am not in the tax bracket I want to be in. :P
But losing weight is not entirely impossible.
2) I never asked to be born the way I was. I never asked to be born to two otherwise very loving people who, for some reason, do not love themselves enough to challenge themselves to be better than they have been. They have chosen their path, and I have chosen mine. Our lifestyles more or less clash like crazy.
But being healthy and fit the way I want to be is not entirely impossible.
3) I cannot shame my dad completely for being as round as he is. He has had a very tough emotional life, and he has yet to completely shed his misperceptions about how a musician should be. His excuse for not exercising is that he doesn't want to be a jock. "Exercise is for jocks" has been his unhealthy mantra and I think he's still secretly afraid he will turn into a mean jock who makes fun of others who are in the arts.
Yet I used to have that unhealthy attitude as well. "Used to," that is. My attitude changed when too many people around me were being diagnosed diabetic, including my mom. I knew I had to change myself, so I got a decent start in 2013. I fell off the wagon owing to a complete shift from working for someone else to working for myself.
I was able to let go of the remnants of that old attitude very quickly after I found out just how fit my favorite male singer is. I thought, "He is only six months younger than I am, and he is insanely fit, AND he's an amazing musician. I would really like to be with a guy who is that freaking amazing. So I have no more excuses. None."
So, I can understand why people get into the mess of being overweight. I can understand the reasons why the "real women have curves" concept has become a thing. But I can also understand the reason why such a concept has been used as an excuse to stay unhealthy.
Being outrageously skinny (beyond what is healthy for one's height, ideal weight) is harmful. So is being overweight for one's height. And if there is a history, be it physiological or psychological, or both, of being at risk for chronic diseases that *are* largely environmental (*cough* fast food & desk jobs *cough*), then the people at risk need to take a good, long look at whether they truly want to be where they are. If not, then they need to take action, even if it means going to talk therapy sessions that use cognitive behavioral therapy to get past unhealthy thinking, or whatever it takes.
This said, I do understand about the dis-eases that prevent some people from feeling up to exercising. CFS and fibromyalgia are the top two that I'm familiar with as my mom has dealt with the latter much of her life. Science has only recently (within the last 10-20 years) pronounced that fibromyalgia is definitely a thing, and that it's an auto-immune dysfunction. Therefore it has only been recently that exercise science has shown that gentle yoga poses are beneficial to those with fibro.
All in all, I understand how fat acceptance can be a big problem, especially with how rampant fast food chains, and the "convenience lifestyle" has become so prevalent, along with more emphasis on "desk jobs" being the ultimate in success, as far as money is concerned.
But I also believe that compassion is always the key to helping people feel understood, heard and accepted as they are, in the moment, whether they are healthy or not.2 -
I like boobs...they're curvy!
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If I like a girl, I like the body she is in, whatever it might look like.
Then again, I like bodies in general...all kinds of shapes and sizes.0
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