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oyChihuahua wrote: »joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
I totally agree with you. Fun is so overrated.
because dieting should be on par with being tortured during the Inquisition....0 -
i prefer to drink my calories..... Juicing, anyone?
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joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
Are you joking?
You are using "calories" as a synonym for "foods" and it's not. I think that's why a lot of these debates occur. A calorie is a unit of energy, so a calorie is a calorie, just like a lb is a lb. A lb of feathers is not less heavy than a lb of gold. Similarly, a calorie from a BigMac (that is actually properly measured and consumed and used by the body) is not more fattening than a calorie from an apple. (One might well find it easier to consume lots of calories from BigMacs than apples, although one might not -- I do not like BigMacs and would more easily consume the calories in the apples.)
However, when we say "a calorie is a calorie," we of course do not mean that a food is a food. Foods differ in lots of different ways. That matters for health and might matter for how easy it is to stick to a weight loss plan.
Therefore, I firmly agree that the quality of one's diet matters. But not necessarily for weight loss -- not if the calories in the poor diet are the same as in the high-quality diet and if one is able to keep up the same activity level.
There is also NO reason to avoid Starbucks, DD, or McD's, although none of them strike me as especially fun, so I almost never go to any of them. I go to Starbucks when I want coffee and nowhere else is easily available and drink a black coffee or Americano, neither of which has many calories. (Other places have better coffee, though.)
I've ranted enough and this thread is about calorie counting, so won't go into my general preference for eggs over egg whites if we are going to talk nutrition. ;-)0 -
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oyChihuahua wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
I totally agree with you. Fun is so overrated.
because dieting should be on par with being tortured during the Inquisition....
^^^^ You get it!
thumb screws anyone?0 -
oyChihuahua wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
I totally agree with you. Fun is so overrated.
because dieting should be on par with being tortured during the Inquisition....
^^^^ You get it!
Gluttony is a sin, no?
So one must do penance.
(Since McD's and DD seem like the anti-fun to me, I guess I should go there.)
For the record, and because I may sound like a grouch, I'm not anti-donut. Someone in my office brought in donuts from Stan's this morning so I decided to eat half of one as my post-workout snack. I'm going to fit it in my calories. ;-)
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There should be a tshirt.....
If you feel like avoiding fun places, that is your path, and I support you 100%.joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
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sashayoung72 wrote: »
There should be a tshirt.....
If you feel like avoiding fun places, that is your path, and I support you 100%.joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
I'd buy that0 -
I swear if there was a coffee mug, LOL take up an etsy ordersashayoung72 wrote: »
There should be a tshirt.....
If you feel like avoiding fun places, that is your path, and I support you 100%.joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
I'd buy that
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sashayoung72 wrote: »
I swear if there was a coffee mug, LOL take up an etsy ordersashayoung72 wrote: »
There should be a tshirt.....
If you feel like avoiding fun places, that is your path, and I support you 100%.joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
I'd buy that
Dibs. I'm going to get rich.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
I totally agree with you. Fun is so overrated.
because dieting should be on par with being tortured during the Inquisition....
^^^^ You get it!
Gluttony is a sin, no?
So one must do penance.
(Since McD's and DD seem like the anti-fun to me, I guess I should go there.)
For the record, and because I may sound like a grouch, I'm not anti-donut. Someone in my office brought in donuts from Stan's this morning so I decided to eat half of one as my post-workout snack. I'm going to fit it in my calories. ;-)
Am I supported in this?
You have my support (for what it's worth)
I'm not attracted to eating out anymore, and especially not fast food, after I started cooking whatever I could, and stopped trying to eat low-fat. I love to cook now, and I love to eat my lovely food
I think eating what we need, is not gluttony. It's taking care of ourselves, and thus being less dependant on others' help later.0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
I totally agree with you. Fun is so overrated.
because dieting should be on par with being tortured during the Inquisition....
^^^^ You get it!
Gluttony is a sin, no?
So one must do penance.
(Since McD's and DD seem like the anti-fun to me, I guess I should go there.)
For the record, and because I may sound like a grouch, I'm not anti-donut. Someone in my office brought in donuts from Stan's this morning so I decided to eat half of one as my post-workout snack. I'm going to fit it in my calories. ;-)
Am I supported in this?
You have my support (for what it's worth) I'm not attracted to eating out anymore, and especially not fast food, after I started cooking whatever I could, and stopped trying to eat low-fat. I love to cook now, and I love to eat my lovely food
I think eating what we need, is not gluttony. It's taking care of ourselves, and thus being less dependant on others' help later.
I would agree that eating what we need is not gluttony. (I was joking around about the penance thing, or more specifically referring to what I think is at the base of some really restrictive approaches to dieting.)
I haven't liked fast food since I was a kid, so I've never really understood the appeal or why people find it hard to give up, but for those who like it they can fit it in.
I love to cook and cook most of my meals, but I have to admit that that hasn't killed my desire to eat out at all. In fact, I love going to good restaurants and getting ideas of new ways to prepare things or exposure to foods or a cuisine I have not tried before. Importantly, this is not a desire I would want to go away.
(This can pose a challenge to the calorie counting, as it's always hard to properly count the calories in those foods, but the beauty of the calorie counting approach, of course, is that I can have a more indulgent meal and find a way to fit it in.)0 -
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I support that sentiment as well.0 -
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lemurcat12 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »joeyzuraski wrote: »Just remember one thing. It's not just counting calories. It's the quality of those calories. Like avoiding all the fun places we go to. Starbucks, DD, McDonald's, etc. Those are very bad for you. Or just be sure to choose the lesser of all evils. Like fraps and lattes for just coffee. A Donut for an Egg White Sandwich.
I totally agree with you. Fun is so overrated.
because dieting should be on par with being tortured during the Inquisition....
^^^^ You get it!
Gluttony is a sin, no?
So one must do penance.
(Since McD's and DD seem like the anti-fun to me, I guess I should go there.)
For the record, and because I may sound like a grouch, I'm not anti-donut. Someone in my office brought in donuts from Stan's this morning so I decided to eat half of one as my post-workout snack. I'm going to fit it in my calories. ;-)
Am I supported in this?
You have my support (for what it's worth) I'm not attracted to eating out anymore, and especially not fast food, after I started cooking whatever I could, and stopped trying to eat low-fat. I love to cook now, and I love to eat my lovely food
I think eating what we need, is not gluttony. It's taking care of ourselves, and thus being less dependant on others' help later.
I would agree that eating what we need is not gluttony. (I was joking around about the penance thing, or more specifically referring to what I think is at the base of some really restrictive approaches to dieting.)
I haven't liked fast food since I was a kid, so I've never really understood the appeal or why people find it hard to give up, but for those who like it they can fit it in.
I love to cook and cook most of my meals, but I have to admit that that hasn't killed my desire to eat out at all. In fact, I love going to good restaurants and getting ideas of new ways to prepare things or exposure to foods or a cuisine I have not tried before. Importantly, this is not a desire I would want to go away.
(This can pose a challenge to the calorie counting, as it's always hard to properly count the calories in those foods, but the beauty of the calorie counting approach, of course, is that I can have a more indulgent meal and find a way to fit it in.)
I actually wish I had a greater desire for eating out. I love to be able to eat something I can't make myself, because of lack of skills, space or equipment, or just not bothering to mess around with. But, but, there are so many dishes I want to try to cook, and so many old favorites that I can't get enough of! It piles up on me
Partly relevant to your last comment; the beauty of eating real food, as I see it, is that when I eat mostly real food, I don't have to count calories, because satiety prevents me from overeating.0 -
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