when did this obsession for women having big butts start, and why?
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hamlet1222 wrote: »Okay, this has kind of gone off topic, and I'm horrified that this thread has started taking a racial tone.
I've already received 6 flags from people for my initial post apparently being abusive. I don't see how politely stating a personal preference in an example (a preference that is opposed to the popular norm of bigger is better) can be seen as abusive, but never mind.
Thanks to all those who gave a reasoned answer - I think the point about social trends constantly evolving and repeating is a great one.
Oh, hamlet.
And now you complain: "That it should come to this!"
For having thought and acted as if: "Frailty, thy name is woman!"
Remember that you tell this to all these women: "This above all: to thine own self be true."
Then don't be surprised if the response is: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."
MFP: "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
We all await your finale retort: "The ladies (sic) doth protest too much, methinks."
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »hamlet1222 wrote: »Okay, this has kind of gone off topic, and I'm horrified that this thread has started taking a racial tone.
I've already received 6 flags from people for my initial post apparently being abusive. I don't see how politely stating a personal preference in an example (a preference that is opposed to the popular norm of bigger is better) can be seen as abusive, but never mind.
Thanks to all those who gave a reasoned answer - I think the point about social trends constantly evolving and repeating is a great one.
Oh, hamlet.
And now you complain: "That it should come to this!"
For having thought and acted as if: "Frailty, thy name is woman!"
Remember that you tell this to all these women: "This above all: to thine own self be true."
Then don't be surprised if the response is: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."
MFP: "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
We all await your finale retort: "The ladies (sic) doth protest too much, methinks."
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What an awful post you created. How can anyone say jlo is not elegant. She always looks fantastic.
Signed big bottomed and proud0 -
MondayJune22nd2015 wrote: »I don't have a "bubble butt" but I am wide there. All I want is a "thigh gap"!
That. and to add my un antropoligical un psychological answer. I dont know when it started, but I know that black women have had big butts for years and it was frowned upon, but as soon as Kim K got a fake butt it was the thing to do....0 -
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IFLYEvgeniZyntx wrote: »hamlet1222 wrote: »Okay, this has kind of gone off topic, and I'm horrified that this thread has started taking a racial tone.
I've already received 6 flags from people for my initial post apparently being abusive. I don't see how politely stating a personal preference in an example (a preference that is opposed to the popular norm of bigger is better) can be seen as abusive, but never mind.
Thanks to all those who gave a reasoned answer - I think the point about social trends constantly evolving and repeating is a great one.
Oh, hamlet.
And now you complain: "That it should come to this!"
For having thought and acted as if: "Frailty, thy name is woman!"
Remember that you tell this to all these women: "This above all: to thine own self be true."
Then don't be surprised if the response is: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."
MFP: "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
We all await your finale retort: "The ladies (sic) doth protest too much, methinks."
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hamlet1222 wrote: »I see a lot of questions from women wanting to get their posteriors bigger, getting advice on doing squats etc, and it leaves me wondering when did this obsession start? 20 years ago we had the likes of Cindy Crawford and Pamela Anderson, and none of them had disproportionately large backsides.
Personally I'm not a fan of the J-Lo look, it just seems a bit inelegant to me, Eva Longoria has a much more elegant physique. My advice to any woman is just to get your body fat to a healthy % and follow a balanced and regular exercise routine - after that learn to accept yourself and be proud. And that goes for guys too - no one knew what a 'six pack' was before the 90s.
Hahahahha how I felt after reading0 -
hamlet1222 wrote: »thanks guys, gotta say though, I was hoping for more of a socio-anthropological analysis in the anwers
You can't be so shallow and expect a deep meaningful answer.0 -
For me? Hands
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hamlet1222 wrote: »Okay, this has kind of gone off topic, and I'm horrified that this thread has started taking a racial tone.
I've already received 6 flags from people for my initial post apparently being abusive. I don't see how politely stating a personal preference in an example (a preference that is opposed to the popular norm of bigger is better) can be seen as abusive, but never mind.
Thanks to all those who gave a reasoned answer - I think the point about social trends constantly evolving and repeating is a great one.
Lololololol.
You told women what you think you they should look like and insinuate that a female physique that's not 80's Caucasian supermodel or 90s porn star looking is ugly. And you're shocked, SHOCKED, that people took offense.
You politely told entire groups of people that their genetics and/or goals are "inelegant" and can't figure out where your went wrong, huh?0 -
The gifs in this post have been the best ever!
I'd like to note that squats don't really give you a big butt, they give you a nice lift. Like two little Gem Donuts (a guy from high school said this once and it stuck in my head).
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Spongemom Squarepants0 -
I don't know. Why did people think women looking "boyish" in the 1920's was attractive? Why did people think corsets looked attractive in the 1910's? Why were hour glass figures all the rage in the 1950's? Twiggy in the 1960's? None of it had particular reason. Perhaps all those body types were made popular by the famous people in that era. Maybe that's Kim K now. Don't read too much into it. Women like what they like.
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hamlet1222 wrote: »thanks guys, gotta say though, I was hoping for more of a socio-anthropological analysis in the anwers
Which one, sociological, or anthropological?
If you're looking for a made up evo-psych reason, go ahead and make up your own, it will probably as valid as the average evo-psych argument.
More on the sociological side? Simple, women's fashion will always change in an never ending treadmill to force women to feel insecure in their bodies, and drive them towards doing things that represent their willingness to endure discomfort as a way of pleasing cis-het men's expectations. Squat-butts represent this trend very well in requiring yet even harder requirements than other things - a woman will have to butt in a fair length of time at the gym or need surgery if she isn't born with the attributes desired. It even gives society an added ability to spurn a woman as having failed to have that kind of butt for her own faults and lack of dedication because media perpetuates that any woman can get a butt with enough work and exercise - something hard to try to make women feel bad about with something like breasts that can't be altered much by exercise. So now not only can women be made to feel bad about their appearance, they can be made to feel bad about not doing something about it.
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Behold, the Venus of Willendorf (back view, now in the Naturhistorisches Museum in Vienna) from around 25,000 BCE. They liked big butts 27,000 years ago, too.
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I am just sitting her patiently waiting for big noses to come into style... and then the joke is on all of you cause I will be the hottest in all the land!0
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Sweet_Heresy wrote: »
Technically, no it doesn't pass. While that one sentence would, the Bechdel test is about a scene, and what the two women go on to say is about how rappers (which are taken to be male given context) are always interested in her butt.0 -
starwhisperer6 wrote: »I am just sitting her patiently waiting for big noses to come into style... and then the joke is on all of you cause I will be the hottest in all the land!
You. I like. :bigsmile:0 -
starwhisperer6 wrote: »I am just sitting her patiently waiting for big noses to come into style... and then the joke is on all of you cause I will be the hottest in all the land!
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I think there are two elements to it:
1. Some people just want to look like that now. You can blame it on the Kardashians or whatever if you want, but that's just the way it is. You don't have to like that look if you don't want to, but just know that women aren't obliged to care what you think the ideal physique is--they can look however they want. We can ALL look however we want. But the last thing women really need is men telling them what they should ideally look like. The 50s are over.
2. There are other people who are just simply overweight and don't want to do anything about it. Because the big booty look seems to be in style right now, they use it as an excuse to continue to be overweight. And that's ok too--you can't be healthy if you don't want to be healthy. But there is a social norm in the US now that being large is perfectly ok. I get criticized more for being "skinny" than I ever did for being fat. I constantly have people trying to shove food in my face because they are CONVINCED I'm starving to death. The fact of the matter is that if you are a healthy weight, or even a little overweight, in the United States you are more or less in the minority.0 -
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Rage_Phish wrote: »hamlet1222 wrote: »
Personally I'm not a fan of the J-Lo look, it just seems a bit inelegant to me, Eva Longoria has a much more elegant physique. My advice to any woman is just to get your body fat to a healthy % and follow a balanced and regular exercise routine - after that learn to accept yourself and be proud. And that goes for guys too - no one knew what a 'six pack' was before the 90s.
who doesnt love a nice bit of mansplaining
i *kitten* hate that made up word. it does nothing but set feminism back.
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Sweet_Heresy wrote: »
Technically, no it doesn't pass. While that one sentence would, the Bechdel test is about a scene, and what the two women go on to say is about how rappers (which are taken to be male given context) are always interested in her butt.
For anyone else lacking context, "Oh My God, Becky, Look At Her Butt" is the beginning of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrP-0EbreuE 0 -
starwhisperer6 wrote: »I am just sitting her patiently waiting for big noses to come into style... and then the joke is on all of you cause I will be the hottest in all the land!
OMG girl. That is so funny. I have a huge nose, and it's never been in style. Like you though, Imma waiting!0 -
starwhisperer6 wrote: »I am just sitting her patiently waiting for big noses to come into style... and then the joke is on all of you cause I will be the hottest in all the land! 0
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thank you all, we should start some sort of a "equality for all disproportionally large body parts group" Then we can all find love on the internet 0
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I just want to say that I fully support any woman who wants to be inelegant in this way. Elegance is overrated anyway
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starwhisperer6 wrote: »thank you all, we should start some sort of a "equality for all disproportionally large body parts group" Then we can all find love on the internet
I really feel like this needs a "giggidy"0 -
Oh, one of these.
If you'd like some historical context, look up Saartjie Baartman. Hers was a highly publicized "career" of being exploited for her large butt. The play is also excellent: http://www.amazon.com/Venus-Acting-Edition-Suzan-Lori-Parks/dp/0822215675, and examines the situation from a socio-anthropological viewpoint. While her story is just one of many, it illustrates why many (Caucasian, in this case) cultures glamorize the "other."0
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