Anyone fancy doing a juice detox?
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OK instead of trying to reply to all the other comments hopefully this will explain things a little but knowing my luck will enrage you more lol.
I started a blog site about my juicing and no this is not some marketing scam, i'm not selling anything, i am simply a webdeveloper and wanted to blog about it (i bought the domain after this post was started, you can check)
http://60dayjuice.com/about/
About
OK here goes… Firstly i am a 30 year old male and i have struggled with my weight for about the last 10 years, when i was younger i played a lot of football (soccer for the americans) and didn’t have any problems then.
My job means i am behind a computer for about 10-12 hours a day and find it hard to find the time to exercise. I am a web developer hence the website (i said developer, NOT designer).
Past success and failures:
My usual weight for the last 5 years has been about 265-280lb though in 2011 i lost a load of weigh through exercise and a calorie controlled diet, i don’t remember the exact weight i got down to, the last entry i had was 238lb but i am sure it was more than that. After a short holiday i really struggled to get back into the exercise routine and slowly started to get back into bad habits and put the weight back on. Back then when i was doing my calorie controlled diet i was eating very unhealthily, my average day would consist of some cereal in the morning, some super noodles and a can of tuna for lunch and usually one of those again for dinner.
In 2014 i did my first 60 day juice, i had watched the film “fat sick and nearly dead” where the presenter does a 60 day juice. I was a bit sceptical at first and thought there is no way someone could survive on only juice for 60 days but watching the film and reading other peoples success stories convinced me to give it a try. I set out to do 10 days at first but after 10 days it was finding it easy and was full of energy and feeling healthy so i continued on for another 50 days. The result was i lost over 50lb in 60 days! The weight was not the only thing though, i felt much healthier in general, my dry skin on my face was gone and i did not get a single cold, flu or bug for about 7 months which is highly unusual for me.
The juicing in 2014 has a few unexpected consequences, I had learned to know when i was hungry and when i was full, this might sound strange but my usual “hunger” signals i felt seems to be just when my stomach was not full instead of actual hunger, from then on after the juicing i would try to eat only when actually hungry. It also made me read up on nutrition and healthy foods and i ended up watching a lot of cookery programmes on youtube while juicing and once i finished i was cooking for me and my partner everyday and cooking good healthy food, making my own hummus, curries, soups and allsorts, i had stopped buying processed food altogether and was making everything fresh, i really enjoyed the cooking and the food, any leftovers i would freeze and could have the nights i did not fancy cooking. I kept this up and was eating healthy for 5 months, then i had a holiday to Germany and i sort of went into this holiday mode where i would just eat and drink as much as possible, i was eating until absolutely stuffed and when i got back from holiday that trend continued, this was me falling into my old ways, i can see it now but then when you are going off the rails you tend to avoid the scales and deny it. I had got back into the habit of eating takeaways and eating whenever i was not full instead of only when hungry and again eating until it was uncomfortable and put the weight back on.
Why am i fat?
Well to be honest monday-friday i don’t really eat very much, not more than my partner but she had a job where she is on her feet all day and i have a job where i am on a computer all day… When i am busy with work i can end up working over 12 hours a day and i struggle to find the time to exercise. My main problem is the weekend, i go out with friends or even have some drinks in the house, usually it will involve takeaways also and when i am drunk i will eat everything in sight, even to the point where it really hurts my stomach and on those days i must consume a crazy amount of calories. I would see this when i was going to they gym every night, i would lose weight mon-fri and then after the weekend and the monday weigh-in i would have put most of it back on.
The future plans:
I hope this time i can learn from my past failures and get to a healthy weight. The 60 day juice helped me get to the point i was happy and healthy and cooking good food, infact i learned so much about cooking when i was juicing just from watching youtube videos. I hope this time it will have the same results and it will break my bad habits and i can relearn the good ones. During the juicing i plan to go swimming every morning and do a daily weigh-in, i will try and increase my swim times each week but starting off slow. After the juicing my plan is to start hitting the gym and get my cardio levels up so hopefully i can get back into the sports. I plan on cooking healthy meals like i was before and really learning from my mistakes, by that i plan to weigh myself 1-2 times a week at least as i know when things go bad i avoid the scales and things just get worse. I also hope i can break the cycle of boozy weekends and takeaways, infact i hope to avoid takeaways completely and if hunger strikes i can go to my freezer for some of my healthy stuff. If i can get back into football i know that will help and be much more fun than jogging on a treadmill and i also plan on climbing a few mountains.
That’s the plan anyway, let’s see how it goes…
You paid to have a place that you could write about the juice you drank? Dude, ever heard of WORD?0 -
Blitz thanks for taking the time to write your last post. Can I ask, how does your partner go when you're juicing? Does she cook for herself or do the juice with you?0
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christinev297 wrote: »Blitz thanks for taking the time to write your last post. Can I ask, how does your partner go when you're juicing? Does she cook for herself or do the juice with you?
Hi, she will just cook for herself, she tried the juicing once but did not last a day, i think you really need to be self motivated for it to work. She is only very slightly overweight and that is only a recent thing from a back injury. She can get a bit annoyed sometimes when we can't really invite people around to dinner as often as usually we would both cook but i don't when i juice, but we do still sometimes and i will sit with my juice
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Wow, I admire your willpower to not pick off of her plate. If you can do that, then you should have no probs losing weight when you get back to eating normal food.0
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christinev297 wrote: »Wow, I admire your willpower to not pick off of her plate. If you can do that, then you should have no probs losing weight when you get back to eating normal food.
haha yes it is hard, especially when she never finishes a meal and i hate to see waste, my brain is like "just eat it, ur hungry and it's just going to go to waste anyway"... I try to have my evening juice before she starts cooking.0 -
That sounds utterly miserable. I'm so glad I got off the fads and quick fixed and lost 73lbs eating real food.0
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You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.0 -
For the fats i'm not sure i need them
I just wanted to say one quick thing: Fats are essential for proper organ function.
Even Dr. Oz doesn't endorse juicing alone. He says to use them before a meal, not as a meal replacement. And I never listen to Dr. Oz, but in this case, he's right.
Consuming nothing but sugar water with some vitamins for 30 days isn't just unhealthy and borderline dangerous, it's crazy.
Okay, so that was three things.0 -
Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
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Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00390-2/pdf
http://m.netdoctor.co.uk/diet-and-nutrition/healthy-eating/juice-diet-dangers.htm
http://m.livescience.com/48887-juice-cleanse-dangers.html
And those all talk about juice cleanses up to 10 days.0 -
Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
Protein and fat are ESSENTIAL for proper health and longer term, life. Asking for evidence of why not taking them in is bad for you is like asking for evidence of why not drinking anything for 30 days is not advisable.0 -
There is zero evidence there, it's all opinionated "might be" and "could be" no proof and mostly bashing companies selling detox packs, I have done it and felt the benefits.
Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00390-2/pdf
http://m.netdoctor.co.uk/diet-and-nutrition/healthy-eating/juice-diet-dangers.htm
http://m.livescience.com/48887-juice-cleanse-dangers.html
And those all talk about juice cleanses up to 10 days.
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Thanks for the invite, but I won't be able to make it sorry. You're gonna hurt yourself.0
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There is zero evidence there, it's all opinionated "might be" and "could be" no proof and mostly bashing companies selling detox packs, I have done it and felt the benefits.
Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00390-2/pdf
http://m.netdoctor.co.uk/diet-and-nutrition/healthy-eating/juice-diet-dangers.htm
http://m.livescience.com/48887-juice-cleanse-dangers.html
And those all talk about juice cleanses up to 10 days.
Lack of protein and fat is bad for your health. There's minimum requirements for a reason.
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/43411/1/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf
http://foris.fao.org/preview/25553-0ece4cb94ac52f9a25af77ca5cfba7a8c.pdf
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There is zero evidence there, it's all opinionated "might be" and "could be" no proof and mostly bashing companies selling detox packs, I have done it and felt the benefits.
Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00390-2/pdf
http://m.netdoctor.co.uk/diet-and-nutrition/healthy-eating/juice-diet-dangers.htm
http://m.livescience.com/48887-juice-cleanse-dangers.html
And those all talk about juice cleanses up to 10 days.
Nobody is trying to convince you - your mind is obviously made up and you're going to do it no matter what anybody else says. It's more for the benefit of other people who may read this thread in the future, who hopefully have more sense and will listen to reason.
You obviously have no grasp on basic nutritional concepts - the need for protein and fats and their role in the function of muscles, organs, hormonal processes, CNS, etc. There's no sense telling you to do the research, because you won't - but maybe others will before they jump headfirst into an unsafe, unhealthy and ridiculous crash diet which will leave them more screwed up than they were before.
It helps absolutely nothing with bad habits. It's introducing yet another bad (and unsafe) habit and teaches you nothing about eating well-rounded, portion controlled meals. The whole "kickstart" thing is fad diet/scam lingo - the metabolism is not a motorcycle, you don't "kickstart" it. People who "do it because their current lifestyle is unhealthy" are just trading one unhealthy existence for another. It's like quitting booze and taking up smoking three packs of cigarettes a day instead.
The only unfortunate thing is that you won't come back after 60 days with a follow-up thread to show before and after pictures. People seeing you with your hair falling out, withered up skin and massive loss of lean body mass would tell the story better than anybody's warnings have thus far.0 -
Blitz, I won't debate whether juicing is healthy or unhealthy. I have juiced and felt well during a fast, so I get it. My longest juice fast was 25 days and I felt fine during and after.That aside... there is no argument that you are taking a shortcut to lose weight. You are. There is no denying that. I challenge you to question why you are choosing to yet again take a shortcut. My question is why not just do the work and really develop the healthy habits you need to sustain your weight loss?
Let's say you lose the weight and then regain it again, do you condone yet another juice fast? Is juice fasting the best way to lose weight in your eyes? I can tell you with all certainty it is not. I have done many many juice fasts for weight loss and believe me there are repercussions to that. EVERY TIME after the fast I would said that I would not put the weight back on, but I did every time. Not immediately (I made healthy choices for a while), but it always came back. I do not wish the same for you.
Also, juicing fasting DOES NOT teach you how to develop healthy habits. Practicing healthy habits does. When you juice fast you are denying yourself the ability to eat, cook, and develop a healthy relationship with food. There is nothing about that that teaches you anything about how to eat well and make healthy food choices in the long run.
Any way you slice it op you are choosing to take a shortcut and therein lies the problem. Most anyone with tell you that the best way to lose weight is not fast. Especially twice or more times... the line needs to be drawn somewhere.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Wow, I admire your willpower to not pick off of her plate. If you can do that, then you should have no probs losing weight when you get back to eating normal food.
Why are you supporting such an unhealthy, extreme approach @christinev297
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christinev297 wrote: »Wow, I admire your willpower to not pick off of her plate. If you can do that, then you should have no probs losing weight when you get back to eating normal food.
Why are you supporting such an unhealthy, extreme approach @christinev297
Because I know no amount of preaching and nagging from us is going to change his mind.
I couldn't last one whole day doing a juice fast, let a lone 60!! Doing this would require a hell of a lot of determination and willpower. If he can last 60 days, then he can do anything, including losing the weight on a regular calorie deficit eating real food. This is what I'm trying to get across to him, unsuccessfully obviously.
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Words of wisdom from Alan Aragon..........
ah, the fad of juicing..
here's a little 101 for you.
when you juice, unless you scarf down the pulp stuck in the discard receptacle of your juicing machine, your're missing out on a good grip of phytochemicals - nonstarchpolysaccharides (NSPs) & other X-factor nutrients locked within the cell wall of the structural component of the plant. these things get kicked out during the juicing process.
my advice: take a daily multi, and in addition to that, eat the whole fruit or vegetable. otherwise you'll miss out on a lot of the health & digestive benefit. whole uneviscerated foods should be the foundation of your vegetable & fruit intake. when you juice stuff, not only do you increase the rate of absorption (and calorie density) exponentially compared to consuming the whole food, you lower the satiating capacity of it as well. this is not optimal, unless you're on a weight gain mission.
ps, this is NOT to be confused with blending stuff up in a food processor or blender & consuming all the contents. i'm talking about juicers, which effectively kick out much of the reason you consume vegetables & fruits in the 1st place. juicing is a practice perpetuated by pseudoscientists (aka quacks), & often times the lay public is the victim.
sorry to burst your bubble about this, but i gotta deliver the facts.0 -
I also urged him up thread to at least consider using a blender instead of a juicer and consider adding protein and fats to his concoctions.0
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