Eating clean? What does it really mean?
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Most of it water???? Honestly, how much water do you think you lost? Like 30 lbs of it?
The only people who would be seeking your advice are the desperate one that want a quick fix. It's the blind leading the blind.
Edit: I just saw you said 35 lbs of water. And do tell how did you calculate that? Do you take into consideration loss of lbm?
Nothing "blind" about it. I'm being followed by two of the best medical weight loss docs in the country, fully compliant with a sensible eating approach of well-balanced macros, a reasonable calorie intake (usually about 1500 net, with 1800-2000 gross intake daily) and plenty of water and healthy foods. (Can't eat too many veggies right now due to oxalate issues, but vitamins help.) I do mild cardio (walking at 2mph, swimming or wii exercise, nothing crazy). What's so disturbing? All I did was start living a healthy lifestyle as described by every medical professional and the weight started falling off. Why is that so insane?0 -
Most of it water???? Honestly, how much water do you think you lost? Like 30 lbs of it?
The only people who would be seeking your advice are the desperate one that want a quick fix. It's the blind leading the blind.
Edit: I just saw you said 35 lbs of water. And do tell how did you calculate that? Do you take into consideration loss of lbm?
Nothing "blind" about it. I'm being followed by two of the best medical weight loss docs in the country, fully compliant with a sensible eating approach of well-balanced macros, a reasonable calorie intake (usually about 1500 net, with 1800-2000 gross intake daily) and plenty of water and healthy foods. (Can't eat too many veggies right now due to oxalate issues, but vitamins help.) I do mild cardio (walking at 2mph, swimming or wii exercise, nothing crazy). What's so disturbing? All I did was start living a healthy lifestyle as described by every medical professional and the weight started falling off. Why is that so insane?
It's not insane. The insane part is that you are attempting to extrapolate your specific experience to other people, which is totally crazy given your significant ongoing medical history. And that you're trying to pass yourself off as "lost 51 lbs in 8 weeks!" to give credence to your diet advice, while failing to mention your vast array of medical problems and that most of it was water loss from tissue swelling.0 -
So a morbidly obese 50 year old woman with an array of medical issues under the guidance of medical supervision is going to give advice to overweight teens and 20 something year old woman on how to lose weight. Does that make sense?
Sure, if they ask me. Most that young won't though. They think they're invincible. I did too. And maybe some of them are, who knows? I wasn't. Most overweight teens and 20 somethings turn into middle aged ladies and gentlemen at some point. If someone had offered me this kind of advice when I was that age (they just told me to eliminate carbs completely! How smart is that?!) it might have changed the weight, maybe not.
But if someone asks, esp for public opinion, yes, I have every right to throw in my perspective and my experiences. The fact that this bothers you so much is intriguing to me. But not intriguing enough to keep me up all night. I'll think about you, though, and I'm sure we'll see each other again. But I think you'll be seeing less and less of me. :drinker:0 -
But if someone asks, esp for public opinion, yes, I have every right to throw in my perspective and my experiences. The fact that this bothers you so much is intriguing to me. But not intriguing enough to keep me up all night. I'll think about you, though, and I'm sure we'll see each other again. But I think you'll be seeing less and less of me. :drinker:
Go ahead and throw in your perspective and experiences. Just don't conveniently forget to mention 90% of your experience and mislead people as you have been.0 -
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It's not insane. The insane part is that you are attempting to extrapolate your specific experience to other people, which is totally crazy given your significant ongoing medical history. And that you're trying to pass yourself off as "lost 51 lbs in 8 weeks!" to give credence to your diet advice, while failing to mention your vast array of medical problems and that most of it was water loss from tissue swelling.
You're pulling quotes of mine off other threads and then chastising me for sharing the information out of context. You really have nothing else to pick at do you? I never said I was any guru at dieting or any other topic. I answered the OP's original question of what "eating clean" means in a question posed to the MFP public. You got your panties in a wad and have been nitpicking my responses throughout a conversation that has lost all relevance to the original conversation because of your grasping for points of contention.
*Yawn* Past my bedtime. Lack of sleep interferes with weight loss. :flowerforyou:0 -
seriously? all this butthurt because people want to eat meals made with fresh ingredients instead of pre made stuff??
wow.0 -
seriously? all this butthurt because people want to eat meals made with fresh ingredients instead of pre made stuff??
wow.
No, that's exactly backwards.
All this butthurt because people want others not to eat meals made with food they think is not "clean."0 -
seriously? all this butthurt because people want to eat meals made with fresh ingredients instead of pre made stuff??
wow.
No, that's exactly backwards.
All this butthurt because people want others not to eat meals made with food they think is not "clean."
people on this thread have made it very obvious they believe those who are eating meals made out of fresh ingredients are pretentious.0 -
Your advice should always start with. I'm morbidly obese, with an array of medical issues and am being monitored by 2 of the best medical weight loss doctors in the county and that's the only way I've lost my weight so far.
Then people can choose to take your advice or not. It's not right to never mention this to anyone and pass yourself off as someone who has been able to figure things out on their own or through trail and error.
Why? Because you say so? Up yours. I haven't passed myself off as anything but what I am. A fat chick losing weight. Woof. Big deal. There are millions of us. Why does it matter so much to you, though?
I started my successful plan before meeting with either of the docs mentioned, and they both were mightily impressed with what I'd done. Guess where I learned it? Here at MFP. From these forums. Amidst all the nitpicking and berating and belittling, this good information exists there and I learned all about weight loss here. My docs also use MFP to monitor their patients, so they were super glad that I already had a history for them to review by the time we met. They said not to change a thing!
Most everyone here on the weight loss journey is either obese or has been, so I don't think it disqualifies advice. In fact, most want to hear advice from someone who has actually been through what they have been through. For instance, many who have never been obese may not realize how MUCH of the weight is really water and not fat, and therefore subject to different methods of flushing. The uninformed freak out over every pound of water they gain, but not us. We know that water fluctuations are part of the everyday battle and are temporary. Knowledge is power.
None of my medical issues were caused by obesity, and they have no bearing on the validity of my experiences or the quality of any advice I may choose to give. To each his own path. Hope yours brings you great success, health and happiness!0 -
All else aside, if anyone is going to post advice about substantial and/or quick weight loss on the forums, they should give full disclosure so as to not misinform, or discourage others who should not be expecting or attempting such drastic results. Look at the Biggest Loser and how discouraging people find it when they themselves can't lose 10, 20, 30lbs a week...It's not insane. The insane part is that you are attempting to extrapolate your specific experience to other people, which is totally crazy given your significant ongoing medical history. And that you're trying to pass yourself off as "lost 51 lbs in 8 weeks!" to give credence to your diet advice, while failing to mention your vast array of medical problems and that most of it was water loss from tissue swelling.
You're pulling quotes of mine off other threads and then chastising me for sharing the information out of context. You really have nothing else to pick at do you? I never said I was any guru at dieting or any other topic. I answered the OP's original question of what "eating clean" means in a question posed to the MFP public. You got your panties in a wad and have been nitpicking my responses throughout a conversation that has lost all relevance to the original conversation because of your grasping for points of contention.
*Yawn* Past my bedtime. Lack of sleep interferes with weight loss. :flowerforyou:0 -
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seriously? all this butthurt because people want to eat meals made with fresh ingredients instead of pre made stuff??
wow.
No, that's exactly backwards.
All this butthurt because people want others not to eat meals made with food they think is not "clean."
people on this thread have made it very obvious they believe those who are eating meals made out of fresh ingredients are pretentious.
Not even remotely true. The pretentious ones are the ones saying that not doing so is inherently bad.0 -
Up mine? Man, someones mad!!!! I guess being called out on your misrepresenting ways really got to you huh.
Nope. I say 'up yours' a lot. It means, basically, "You ain't the boss o' me." Nothing misrepresented. I think you're just sensitive and looking for flaws in my statements, even if you have to go digging elsewhere. Somewhat desperate behavior.
Now my eyes are closing on me, or I would stay and dance. Truly. Let's do this again.0 -
I must have lost 100 lbs of water. I should have just taken water pills. Man, the more you know. ( GO JOE!)0
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seriously? all this butthurt because people want to eat meals made with fresh ingredients instead of pre made stuff??
wow.
No, that's exactly backwards.
All this butthurt because people want others not to eat meals made with food they think is not "clean."
people on this thread have made it very obvious they believe those who are eating meals made out of fresh ingredients are pretentious.
Not even remotely true. The pretentious ones are the ones saying that not doing so is inherently bad.
In the same way that people say you are an imbecile like the ones who say you should eat bacon every single meal?
or is that where the blurred lines between pretentiousness and moronic become more defined?0 -
Go ahead and throw in your perspective and experiences. Just don't conveniently forget to mention 90% of your experience and mislead people as you have been.
Not a single thing I have said is misleading or untrue. All happened just as I have said. My diary is open, my profile is open, my photos are open and anyone who wants details is free to ask. I have absolutely nothing to hide on that topic.
Huge fast weight loss in the first few weeks is VERY TYPICAL (more typical than unusual, in fact) of someone with as much weight as I have (see Biggest Loser). I just can prove that you don't have to kill yourself to realize that level of loss (like they do on TV for the audience). That's why the perspective of a morbidly obese woman is valuable to another morbidly obese woman in SOME instances different than that of those who have never been through it. Trust me, the physiology is a bit different between someone who has been so heavy all their life vs. someone who gained 30 lbs at some point and had to lose it back.
And I can remind them that the first push of weight loss is almost always large amounts of water (different amounts for each person of course) (per several doctors/surgeons and much research, not just my opinion or experience) for someone of my weight/duration and that when that rapid huge weight loss slows down in the first weeks or months, it doesn't mean that they've stopped losing fat or done anything wrong, it just means the water loss is slowing down which has a mind of its own and doesn't respond to caloric variations. (It does respond to exercise, water flushing and TYPES of food eaten, however.) That's really valuable perspective for those who are struggling along and then find that things change and they don't know why. Understanding the water/fat issue is a huge incentive issue, esp as things get tougher and there is less water loss to encourage at the scale.
NEWSFLASH: These are givens in the weight loss of morbidly obese people. You may think it's some kind of hoo-doo or magic, but it's simple biology after all. I really wish I'd understood it all earlier in life, I would have been losing this weight a lot younger and not giving up as soon as I gained a pound of two of (temporary) water weight.
As it is, I'm happy to be here now. And if I can help someone else with my insights and perspectives gained, I'm going to do my damnedest to slog through these forums and leave genuine and honest perspective here for others to find as so many have done for me! (Saved me!) I'm not the one who masterminded simple calorie restriction, water consumption and exercise as a weight loss strategy. I'm just enjoying the success of someone else's research and willing to share my story too.
I adopted the "clean" tag when I realized at MFP what that meant (first time I encountered the term was here) and how it applied to/described my efforts/goals. But I think the term is too emotionally/politically charged for some people to see the issue clearly. The same crowd that seems to push "a calorie is a calorie" can't seem to grasp that "a pound is a pound" regardless of whether its water or fat. It doesn't matter if most of what I've lost is water because a pound is a pound. Almost every person here engaged in weight loss has lost water of some amount and almost always the majority of it right up front. That shocks or surprises you? It's TYPICAL. Ask anyone who has lost a huge amount (100+) if they lost any water in there and see what they say.
In case you're worried that following my approach might harm you in some way, I can assure you that I am considered WAY above average in my health for people of ANY size, but especially those with my weight history. Nothing mysterious about it. I'm not a special snowflake, after all, and I'm just following the same plan as so many others and enjoying the same positive results. Why that bothers you so much is both creepy and fascinating.
But I won't be checking back on this thread anymore, so if you want to thrash it around some more, message me!0 -
This post seems pretty "superior" to me... perhaps it's catching."Clean" means whatever a person *needs* it to mean in order for them to feel superior about their food choices...
It is laughable to see just how junk filled some of the diaries of the clean eaters are.
I go by the contradictions throughout the "clean" eatering population here. Look I don't care what anyone eats. I just don't agree with the stance that "clean" eating is a must for being healthy.
I have medical issues that would prevent me from eating 100% "clean" (meaning lean meats, fresh veggies, fruits and grains). This would cause me to become very ill and bed ridden because I have to eat low fiber. Most of trigger foods are vegetable or fruits. I come here and I am told I am kidding myself if I think I am healthy because I eat "bad" foods.0 -
I skew my eating towards foods which have the greatest nutrient value per calorie, and eat a lesser amount of foods which have less nutrient value.
Most of my friends who say they eat "clean", define clean eating as above.
You don't get bonus points for providing your body with more vitamins and minerals than it actually needs. Many nutrients are detrimental in high quantities, too.
I skew my eating towards foods that I really enjoy, making sure that I give my body enough of the nutrients it needs. The body doesn't care whether someone on the internet thinks the food the nutrients were in was "clean" or not.
You are acting an *kitten* hot mess up in this thread, truly embarrassing yourself to the nth degree. Grown ups, those with even a modicum of maturity, can state their business without all this foolishness.
You care WAY too much about what other grown folks choose to send down their gullets. It is frankly less than none of your business if people make judgement calls about the food they choose to eat. I agree that you're right to correct someone who makes judgement calls directly to you about your personal diet, but the interesting thing about this thread is that nobody has accosted you personally about anything you choose to eat, but the same basic courtesy has not been returned.
Who cares if there are people who'd rather eat low processed/unprocessed foods? People who avoid added sugar? People who are searching to eat as little preservatives and pesticides as possible? Who really cares if they aim for 100% compliance, 90%, 50%, whatever? Who really give a flying #$%#? Dude, clearly you do.
People eat this way for a myriad of reasons. Some because it's the only way they can keep control over their food input. Others eat this way because it legitimately helps them feel their best physically. Some for ethical or moral reasons. And others, shock of all shock, eat this way because they actually love the taste of the foods they select. Not everybody looks at "clean eating" as terribly restrictive, and not everybody is sitting around daydreaming about doughnuts. There are some people for whom a piece of fruit legitimately tastes superior to a snickers bar. How somebody defines "clean eating" however has nothing to do with you, as surprising as that might seem.
I have seen my share of absolutely asinine, absurd food debates. But never in my life have I seen a grown man act so freaking petulant and entitled when discussing the choices of OTHER people. If you are offended by somebody using the phrase "clean eating" to describe their own nutritional journey, if that makes you feel like they are therefore calling you "dirty", than you need to take that up with the man in the mirror. That's a personal problem and it has nothing to do with whether somebody decides that Dunkin Donuts isn't good enough for THEIR own body.0 -
You don't get it at all.
The entire point of all of this is that people should eat the way THEY want and ignore what other people tell them they SHOULD eat because it's clean or whatever.0 -
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I skew my eating towards foods which have the greatest nutrient value per calorie, and eat a lesser amount of foods which have less nutrient value.
Most of my friends who say they eat "clean", define clean eating as above.
You don't get bonus points for providing your body with more vitamins and minerals than it actually needs. Many nutrients are detrimental in high quantities, too.
I skew my eating towards foods that I really enjoy, making sure that I give my body enough of the nutrients it needs. The body doesn't care whether someone on the internet thinks the food the nutrients were in was "clean" or not.
You are acting an *kitten* hot mess up in this thread, truly embarrassing yourself to the nth degree. Grown ups, those with even a modicum of maturity, can state their business without all this foolishness.
You care WAY too much about what other grown folks choose to send down their gullets. It is frankly less than none of your business if people make judgement calls about the food they choose to eat. I agree that you're right to correct someone who makes judgement calls directly to you about your personal diet, but the interesting thing about this thread is that nobody has accosted you personally about anything you choose to eat, but the same basic courtesy has not been returned.
Who cares if there are people who'd rather eat low processed/unprocessed foods? People who avoid added sugar? People who are searching to eat as little preservatives and pesticides as possible? Who really cares if they aim for 100% compliance, 90%, 50%, whatever? Who really give a flying #$%#? Dude, clearly you do.
People eat this way for a myriad of reasons. Some because it's the only way they can keep control over their food input. Others eat this way because it legitimately helps them feel their best physically. Some for ethical or moral reasons. And others, shock of all shock, eat this way because they actually love the taste of the foods they select. Not everybody looks at "clean eating" as terribly restrictive, and not everybody is sitting around daydreaming about doughnuts. There are some people for whom a piece of fruit legitimately tastes superior to a snickers bar. How somebody defines "clean eating" however has nothing to do with you, as surprising as that might seem.
I have seen my share of absolutely asinine, absurd food debates. But never in my life have I seen a grown man act so freaking petulant and entitled when discussing the choices of OTHER people. If you are offended by somebody using the phrase "clean eating" to describe their own nutritional journey, if that makes you feel like they are therefore calling you "dirty", than you need to take that up with the man in the mirror. That's a personal problem and it has nothing to do with whether somebody decides that Dunkin Donuts isn't good enough for THEIR own body.
You seem upset.0 -
Am I the only one who can't figure out what this thread is actually about?0
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I prefer to eat dirty...0
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I honestly think eating clean is about as hard to explain as falling in love. We view things in different eyes. I see eating clean as not eating processed foods, however i do consume the odd item. Still I consider my wife and myself clean eaters because thats just how we define our eating habit. Not really a right or wrong answer its subjective.0
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To answer the OP before the lock (the mods seem to be on a roll today)
It really means........... don't eat any food that has been dropped on the floor for more then 3 seconds!
Everything else is fair game
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Yep, in MY house it's a 2 second rule though, my dogs are pretty quick.To answer the OP before the lock (the mods seem to be on a roll today)
It really means........... don't eat any food that has been dropped on the floor for more then 3 seconds!
Everything else is fair game
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Yep, in MY house it's a 2 second rule though, my dogs are pretty quick.To answer the OP before the lock (the mods seem to be on a roll today)
It really means........... don't eat any food that has been dropped on the floor for more then 3 seconds!
Everything else is fair game
:laugh: If it is something I really like I can beat the dog to it, mine are pretty fast too :bigsmile:
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Nope. Because yet another thread about "clean eating" has been trashed by the folks who seem hell bent on making sure everyone approaches weight loss as they do.Am I the only one who can't figure out what this thread is actually about?0
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