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Are all calories the same??
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tincanonastring wrote: »I still don't understand what the general public's poor adherence to proper nutritional guidelines has to do with this conversation. We're talking about people who try to limit carbs to 5%, which does not include the general public. Are you're basically saying it's okay to not meet vegetable serving recommendations because most people don't?
A recommendation is just that, the large majority of the population don't do it and stay alive and well. If someone restricting carbs doesn't meet a recommendation I don't see why that is some sort of issue when the carb eating majority don't either, you can hardly blame the carb restriction as a unique factor.
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Why would pushing grains and sugar out of a diet be a health benefit when whole grains and sugar containing fruit consumption show similar, though not as great, epidemiological health and mortality effects as vegetables?
That's probably for another thread. Epidemiology often conflates "fruitandvegetables" to achieve either statistical significance or an odds ratio below 1.0 - viewed separately the vegetables are usually doing the good and the fruit is either neutral or detrimental.0 -
This is the one that yarwell pointed me to. And I am not surprised about the results, despite being funded by Atkins. The fact is, the people on keto has high levels of mono unsaturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and fibrous foods. And I wasn't surprised by the results at all. I think any diet that increase those three items will show favorable results.
The question I would have, is how many studies repeat similar results? How many studies compare keto vs moderate carbs with equal parts nutrition? And how would these results look if it wasn't just 12 white guys over a 6 week period?
The funding was by the Atkins Foundation by the way, not the low carb food / diet company.
Your last point raises the issue nicely - who else funds studies of high fat diets ? I recall one researcher saying how his University were constantly lobbied by dietitians to not perform intervention studies on high fat diets.
If you make your question overspecific then no study will comply.
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This is the one that yarwell pointed me to. And I am not surprised about the results, despite being funded by Atkins. The fact is, the people on keto has high levels of mono unsaturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and fibrous foods. And I wasn't surprised by the results at all. I think any diet that increase those three items will show favorable results.
The question I would have, is how many studies repeat similar results? How many studies compare keto vs moderate carbs with equal parts nutrition? And how would these results look if it wasn't just 12 white guys over a 6 week period?
The funding was by the Atkins Foundation by the way, not the low carb food / diet company.
Your last point raises the issue nicely - who else funds studies of high fat diets ? I recall one researcher saying how his University were constantly lobbied by dietitians to not perform intervention studies on high fat diets.
If you make your question overspecific then no study will comply.
I would at least hope for diversity though. Even a combination of men and women.0 -
This is the one that yarwell pointed me to. And I am not surprised about the results, despite being funded by Atkins. The fact is, the people on keto has high levels of mono unsaturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and fibrous foods. And I wasn't surprised by the results at all. I think any diet that increase those three items will show favorable results.
The question I would have, is how many studies repeat similar results? How many studies compare keto vs moderate carbs with equal parts nutrition? And how would these results look if it wasn't just 12 white guys over a 6 week period?
The funding was by the Atkins Foundation by the way, not the low carb food / diet company.
Your last point raises the issue nicely - who else funds studies of high fat diets ? I recall one researcher saying how his University were constantly lobbied by dietitians to not perform intervention studies on high fat diets.
If you make your question overspecific then no study will comply.
I would at least hope for diversity though. Even a combination of men and women.
Combining men and women is a really bad idea, massively increases the SD of most measures, making significance harder to find. If the trial is big enough to allow sub-group analysis fair enough, but mixed trials are a mess because the height and weight of men and women is different (P<0.05).
Same with diversity, where genetics may be a factor why muddy the water. A study can identify some effect and other studies can replicate in different groups if they wish.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I don't think anyone has died from a carbohydrate deficiency alone (well maybe certain medical metabolic disorders), but isn't ketosis essentially the state of dietary carbohydrate deficiency? Technically, no one suffers from a vitamin D deficiency either, they just don't get enough sunlight to create it, but as we say people do die or suffer from it, one could argue that similarly people can have carbohydrate deficiency, though it doesn't happen just from dietary restriction, but of starvation (not having other nutrients for gluconeogensis).
I believe ketoacidosis, whether induced by diabetes or poor nutrition, can be fatal and has been recorded. Ketoacidosis is the extreme state brought about by carbohydrate deficiency.
@tomteboda that statement is true only in the case of someone who can not produce any insulin. Medically there is no such think as carbohydrate deficiency. There and be deficiency of fats and proteins because they are required for humans to have full health.
There can be glucose and ketone bodies deficiencies but no carbs are required to make either.
Nope, it was already pointed out ketoacidosis can happen in people without Type 1 Diabetes.
That is so ridiculously rare that DKA shouldn't be considered for the vast majority of people. There's probably a stronger correlation with keto'ers being hit by a pie. A low carb pie.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I don't think anyone has died from a carbohydrate deficiency alone (well maybe certain medical metabolic disorders), but isn't ketosis essentially the state of dietary carbohydrate deficiency? Technically, no one suffers from a vitamin D deficiency either, they just don't get enough sunlight to create it, but as we say people do die or suffer from it, one could argue that similarly people can have carbohydrate deficiency, though it doesn't happen just from dietary restriction, but of starvation (not having other nutrients for gluconeogensis).
I believe ketoacidosis, whether induced by diabetes or poor nutrition, can be fatal and has been recorded. Ketoacidosis is the extreme state brought about by carbohydrate deficiency.
@tomteboda that statement is true only in the case of someone who can not produce any insulin. Medically there is no such think as carbohydrate deficiency. There and be deficiency of fats and proteins because they are required for humans to have full health.
There can be glucose and ketone bodies deficiencies but no carbs are required to make either.
Nope, it was already pointed out ketoacidosis can happen in people without Type 1 Diabetes.
That is so ridiculously rare that DKA shouldn't be considered for the vast majority of people. There's probably a stronger correlation with keto'ers being hit by a pie. A low carb pie.
I don't recall anyone saying it was common. Indeed, Tomteboda said it happens in extremes.
It was brought up in contrast to Gale's universal declaration of "only in the case of someone who can not produce any insulin." It is interesting that you're trying to correct people who haven't said anything wrong because they are correcting someone who has made a factually incorrect statement.0 -
From a certain standpoint, a calorie is of course a calorie. It's not a tree or a frog. It's a calorie. No doubt. But, I think there are potential pitfalls that can go along with the "a calorie is a calorie" way of thinking, and I know because it's something I've encountered. It's not necessarily a bad way of thinking, but it depends what works for you. For one thing, it might lead to weight loss, but it's not necessarily going to lead to the healthiest diet, depending on what you're eating. You can also end up hungry by restricting calories, especially if you don't have the right macro balance for you, which isn't going to be sustainable. Trying to eat certain foods in moderation might work for you or it might keep you in a crave cycle that's eventually going to break loose. I really believed in the CICO thing for a while but I what I find is that it works for a while and then I get tired of counting calories, and if I'm still in a mode of eating SAD type of food, there's no way I'm going to keep my calories under control once I start just eating freely again. Now I'm trying to take the approach of actually caring more about what I eat and what my body uses as fuel, which I think might actually be more sustainable in the long run, and definitely healthier.0
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lisawinning4losing wrote: »From a certain standpoint, a calorie is of course a calorie. It's not a tree or a frog. It's a calorie. No doubt. But, I think there are potential pitfalls that can go along with the "a calorie is a calorie" way of thinking, and I know because it's something I've encountered. It's not necessarily a bad way of thinking, but it depends what works for you. For one thing, it might lead to weight loss, but it's not necessarily going to lead to the healthiest diet, depending on what you're eating. You can also end up hungry by restricting calories, especially if you don't have the right macro balance for you, which isn't going to be sustainable. Trying to eat certain foods in moderation might work for you or it might keep you in a crave cycle that's eventually going to break loose. I really believed in the CICO thing for a while but I what I find is that it works for a while and then I get tired of counting calories, and if I'm still in a mode of eating SAD type of food, there's no way I'm going to keep my calories under control once I start just eating freely again. Now I'm trying to take the approach of actually caring more about what I eat and what my body uses as fuel, which I think might actually be more sustainable in the long run, and definitely healthier.
not sure how you go from a calorie is a calorie to equating that with feeling like crap and eating a diet rich in so called junk foods and neglecting micronutrients...
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lisawinning4losing wrote: »From a certain standpoint, a calorie is of course a calorie. It's not a tree or a frog. It's a calorie. No doubt. But, I think there are potential pitfalls that can go along with the "a calorie is a calorie" way of thinking, and I know because it's something I've encountered. It's not necessarily a bad way of thinking, but it depends what works for you. For one thing, it might lead to weight loss, but it's not necessarily going to lead to the healthiest diet, depending on what you're eating. You can also end up hungry by restricting calories, especially if you don't have the right macro balance for you, which isn't going to be sustainable. Trying to eat certain foods in moderation might work for you or it might keep you in a crave cycle that's eventually going to break loose. I really believed in the CICO thing for a while but I what I find is that it works for a while and then I get tired of counting calories, and if I'm still in a mode of eating SAD type of food, there's no way I'm going to keep my calories under control once I start just eating freely again. Now I'm trying to take the approach of actually caring more about what I eat and what my body uses as fuel, which I think might actually be more sustainable in the long run, and definitely healthier.
If you are hungry you should adjust your diet.
If you are not eating a nutrition-conscious diet you should change it.
The idea that understanding the truth about a calorie is a calorie will cause people to eat a poor diet is weird. I think people who have such ideas probably ate really poor diets in the past and assume that others ate as poorly.0 -
Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?0
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lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
The SAD diet doesn't disprove a calorie is a calorie. It doesn't even address any metabolic variations in the digestion or use of foods by the body. It is a coined term for what the average American eats and embodies both a highly caloric diet but one that is accompanied by little to NO exercise.0 -
lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Is there an actual definition for the SAD? With quantifiable numbers? I would think if it were "Standard" there would be Standards by which to measure it, but for all that term gets thrown around on these boards I've never seen any clear definition with measurable parameters that one could use to determine if they were eating the SAD.0 -
lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
No, I think that people who choose to eat a poor diet are making that choice, and not because they don't know they should eat a better diet. Telling the truth -- namely that you don't eat to eat specific foods to lose weight -- is never a bad thing. People should make decisions based on accurate information, not be lied to, and the idea that if we tell people they can lose weight eating more and less nutritious foods that they won't eat nutritious food seems to me to be quite paternalist and insulting. Respect others to make the same good choices that you would.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Is there an actual definition for the SAD? With quantifiable numbers? I would think if it were "Standard" there would be Standards by which to measure it, but for all that term gets thrown around on these boards I've never seen any clear definition with measurable parameters that one could use to determine if they were eating the SAD.
I don't think so. I think it's just based on the deplorable numbers that surveys indicate for stuff like vegetable and fruit consumption, sat fat consumption, added sugar, stuff like that. But of course there are huge variations. I don't really know anyone who eats the stereotypical SAD.0 -
lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Where did you get this 3% number?0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Where did you get this 3% number?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p10 -
queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Where did you get this 3% number?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1
But she's using the undefined "SAD" and a statistic that refers to multiple facets of what makes up a "healthy lifestyle" to extrapolate information regarding food intake only.
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queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Where did you get this 3% number?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1
But she's using the undefined "SAD" and a statistic that refers to multiple facets of what makes up a "healthy lifestyle" to extrapolate information regarding food intake only.
I know. Merely was pointed out where that tidbit of information came from. I don't think its accurate since it was based on a survey with 4 basic parameters. Far from being a solid "study". I equate it to the study they did on how addictive foods where, which was based on a survey of college kids.0 -
lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.
None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.
Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.
None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.
Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.
She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.
But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.
None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.
Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.
She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.
But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.
Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets
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queenliz99 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.
None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.
Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.
She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.
But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.
Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets
*and taking a cue from @senecarr disclaimer: Liz and I are friends and this should in no way be taken as an insult...0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.
None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.
Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.
She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.
But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.
Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets
*and taking a cue from @senecarr disclaimer: Liz and I are friends and this should in no way be taken as an insult...
<--- slowly moves hand off the ban button
seriously, this is a joke.. and should be taken that way.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.
None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.
Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.
She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.
But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.
Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets
*and taking a cue from @senecarr disclaimer: Liz and I are friends and this should in no way be taken as an insult...
<--- slowly moves hand off the ban button
seriously, this is a joke.. and should be taken that way.
<--- unsuccessfully attempts to flag mod for abuse. Curse you Vanilla Forums! CURSE YOU!!!!
(also a joke).
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queenliz99 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.
None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.
Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.
She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.
But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.
Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets
*and taking a cue from @senecarr disclaimer: Liz and I are friends and this should in no way be taken as an insult...
<--- slowly moves hand off the ban button
seriously, this is a joke.. and should be taken that way.
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lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
As a naturally abstemious person who doesn't care for alcohol, I could pretend that lets me understand this question. I mean why else would anyone want to replace dinner with beer? Oh, well, looking past myself, I do know a lot of people like beer, maybe they just want to have beer. Honestly, in this situation, I can only see a calorie is a calorie limiting the diet - without any belief in calories, and that they control weight, the person could just as easily feel free to put no limit on their alcohol intake, at least knowing the calories in the context of wanting to lose or maintain weight puts a cap on the idea.
I have to say, I'm feeling curmudgeonly today. Too much feeling people are taking natural mental shortcuts that come all to easily to humans and not realizing their shortcuts are taking them to the wrong place. And sadly understanding why the shortcuts seem reasonable without knowing how to get people to stop taking them.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Where did you get this 3% number?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1
Based on that article from a news magazine? Let me google and find another article to fit my agenda, I'm sure it is not too dificult. LOL0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Where did you get this 3% number?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1
Based on that article from a news magazine? Let me google and find another article to fit my agenda, I'm sure it is not too dificult. LOL
In that other thread, many people have pointed out the flaws in the design of the study, the people who were surveyed, and the limits with which they measured the results.
It seems the person who posted this is only focused on the headline, and not on actual critical thinking about if the study results actually are relevant and accurate.
The lack of critical thinking beyond a headline or beyond when people initially say "you can eat a diet of Twinkies and lose weight" seems to be a chronic problem lately.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
Where did you get this 3% number?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1
Based on that article from a news magazine? Let me google and find another article to fit my agenda, I'm sure it is not too dificult. LOL
In that other thread, many people have pointed out the flaws in the design of the study, the people who were surveyed, and the limits with which they measured the results.
It seems the person who posted this is only focused on the headline, and not on actual critical thinking about if the study results actually are relevant and accurate.
The lack of critical thinking beyond a headline or beyond when people initially say "you can eat a diet of Twinkies and lose weight" seems to be a chronic problem lately.
Exactly, it's like taking a screwdriver to drive a nail.0
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