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  • lisawinning4losinglisawinning4losing Posts: 732Member Member Posts: 732Member Member
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 35,229Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 35,229Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    The SAD diet doesn't disprove a calorie is a calorie. It doesn't even address any metabolic variations in the digestion or use of foods by the body. It is a coined term for what the average American eats and embodies both a highly caloric diet but one that is accompanied by little to NO exercise.
  • WinoGelatoWinoGelato Posts: 13,331Member Member Posts: 13,331Member Member
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Is there an actual definition for the SAD? With quantifiable numbers? I would think if it were "Standard" there would be Standards by which to measure it, but for all that term gets thrown around on these boards I've never seen any clear definition with measurable parameters that one could use to determine if they were eating the SAD.
    edited March 2016
  • lemurcat12lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886Member Member Posts: 30,886Member Member
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    No, I think that people who choose to eat a poor diet are making that choice, and not because they don't know they should eat a better diet. Telling the truth -- namely that you don't eat to eat specific foods to lose weight -- is never a bad thing. People should make decisions based on accurate information, not be lied to, and the idea that if we tell people they can lose weight eating more and less nutritious foods that they won't eat nutritious food seems to me to be quite paternalist and insulting. Respect others to make the same good choices that you would.
  • lemurcat12lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886Member Member Posts: 30,886Member Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Is there an actual definition for the SAD? With quantifiable numbers? I would think if it were "Standard" there would be Standards by which to measure it, but for all that term gets thrown around on these boards I've never seen any clear definition with measurable parameters that one could use to determine if they were eating the SAD.

    I don't think so. I think it's just based on the deplorable numbers that surveys indicate for stuff like vegetable and fruit consumption, sat fat consumption, added sugar, stuff like that. But of course there are huge variations. I don't really know anyone who eats the stereotypical SAD.
  • queenliz99queenliz99 Posts: 15,358Member Member Posts: 15,358Member Member
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Where did you get this 3% number?
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 35,229Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 35,229Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Where did you get this 3% number?

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1
  • auddiiauddii Posts: 15,410Member Member Posts: 15,410Member Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Where did you get this 3% number?

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1

    But she's using the undefined "SAD" and a statistic that refers to multiple facets of what makes up a "healthy lifestyle" to extrapolate information regarding food intake only.

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  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 35,229Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 35,229Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    auddii wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Where did you get this 3% number?

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1

    But she's using the undefined "SAD" and a statistic that refers to multiple facets of what makes up a "healthy lifestyle" to extrapolate information regarding food intake only.

    demotivation.us_Logic-Youre-doing-it-wrong_13095256582.jpg

    I know. Merely was pointed out where that tidbit of information came from. I don't think its accurate since it was based on a survey with 4 basic parameters. Far from being a solid "study". I equate it to the study they did on how addictive foods where, which was based on a survey of college kids.
  • EvgeniZyntxEvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,424Member Member Posts: 24,424Member Member
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.

    None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.

    Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.
  • auddiiauddii Posts: 15,410Member Member Posts: 15,410Member Member
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.

    None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.

    Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.

    She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.

    But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.
  • queenliz99queenliz99 Posts: 15,358Member Member Posts: 15,358Member Member
    auddii wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.

    None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.

    Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.

    She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.

    But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.

    Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets :D
  • auddiiauddii Posts: 15,410Member Member Posts: 15,410Member Member
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.

    None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.

    Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.

    She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.

    But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.

    Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets :D

    09ee08e.jpg

    *and taking a cue from @senecarr disclaimer: Liz and I are friends and this should in no way be taken as an insult...
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 35,229Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 35,229Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    auddii wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.

    None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.

    Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.

    She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.

    But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.

    Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets :D

    09ee08e.jpg

    *and taking a cue from @senecarr disclaimer: Liz and I are friends and this should in no way be taken as an insult...

    <--- slowly moves hand off the ban button ;) >:)



    seriously, this is a joke.. and should be taken that way.
    edited March 2016
  • WinoGelatoWinoGelato Posts: 13,331Member Member Posts: 13,331Member Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.

    None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.

    Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.

    She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.

    But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.

    Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets :D

    09ee08e.jpg

    *and taking a cue from @senecarr disclaimer: Liz and I are friends and this should in no way be taken as an insult...

    <--- slowly moves hand off the ban button ;) >:)



    seriously, this is a joke.. and should be taken that way.

    <--- unsuccessfully attempts to flag mod for abuse. Curse you Vanilla Forums! CURSE YOU!!!!



    (also a joke).
  • senecarrsenecarr Posts: 5,377Member Member Posts: 5,377Member Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Ummm. Nope. Logic and bias fail.

    None of that (even if it wasn't full of holes and issues) supports that the idea "a calorie is a calorie" is the prevailing groupthink or impacts those numbers negatively or positively - you're making spacious suppositions.

    Please to post which thread people are generally replacing dinner with beer and being supported as a good idea.

    She can't there's a current thread about replacing dinner with beer, and almost every post in it says to get enough nutrition, focus on lean proteins and veggies throughout the day, and set aside some calories for beer. Including my own advice.

    But, that doesn't support her point, so instead she ignores the majority of the answers.

    Raises hand slowly. I replied in the thread and have no regrets :D

    09ee08e.jpg

    *and taking a cue from @senecarr disclaimer: Liz and I are friends and this should in no way be taken as an insult...

    <--- slowly moves hand off the ban button ;) >:)



    seriously, this is a joke.. and should be taken that way.

    Reported!
  • senecarrsenecarr Posts: 5,377Member Member Posts: 5,377Member Member
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    As a naturally abstemious person who doesn't care for alcohol, I could pretend that lets me understand this question. I mean why else would anyone want to replace dinner with beer? Oh, well, looking past myself, I do know a lot of people like beer, maybe they just want to have beer. Honestly, in this situation, I can only see a calorie is a calorie limiting the diet - without any belief in calories, and that they control weight, the person could just as easily feel free to put no limit on their alcohol intake, at least knowing the calories in the context of wanting to lose or maintain weight puts a cap on the idea.


    I have to say, I'm feeling curmudgeonly today. Too much feeling people are taking natural mental shortcuts that come all to easily to humans and not realizing their shortcuts are taking them to the wrong place. And sadly understanding why the shortcuts seem reasonable without knowing how to get people to stop taking them.
  • queenliz99queenliz99 Posts: 15,358Member Member Posts: 15,358Member Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Where did you get this 3% number?

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1

    Based on that article from a news magazine? Let me google and find another article to fit my agenda, I'm sure it is not too dificult. LOL
  • WinoGelatoWinoGelato Posts: 13,331Member Member Posts: 13,331Member Member
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Where did you get this 3% number?

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1

    Based on that article from a news magazine? Let me google and find another article to fit my agenda, I'm sure it is not too dificult. LOL

    In that other thread, many people have pointed out the flaws in the design of the study, the people who were surveyed, and the limits with which they measured the results.

    It seems the person who posted this is only focused on the headline, and not on actual critical thinking about if the study results actually are relevant and accurate.

    The lack of critical thinking beyond a headline or beyond when people initially say "you can eat a diet of Twinkies and lose weight" seems to be a chronic problem lately.
  • queenliz99queenliz99 Posts: 15,358Member Member Posts: 15,358Member Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    Considering the fact that SAD stands for Standard American Diet, and recent research shows that only 3 percent of Americans have healthy lifestyles, I think that most people have poor diets, especially most people who are overweight. You don't see how "a calorie is a calorie" is leading some people to eat a poor diet when people are posting questions about replacing their dinner with beer, because it's the same amount of calories, and people are saying that's OK?

    Where did you get this 3% number?

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10357934/less-than-3-percent-of-americans-live-a-healthy-lifestyle/p1

    Based on that article from a news magazine? Let me google and find another article to fit my agenda, I'm sure it is not too dificult. LOL

    In that other thread, many people have pointed out the flaws in the design of the study, the people who were surveyed, and the limits with which they measured the results.

    It seems the person who posted this is only focused on the headline, and not on actual critical thinking about if the study results actually are relevant and accurate.

    The lack of critical thinking beyond a headline or beyond when people initially say "you can eat a diet of Twinkies and lose weight" seems to be a chronic problem lately.

    Exactly, it's like taking a screwdriver to drive a nail.
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