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Arguing Semantics - sugar addiction

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  • Posts: 8,911 Member
    senecarr wrote: »
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    I'm glad your post ended that way. For a moment I thought your idea of help would involve more guillotines.

    Well, a nutrition revolution where every woo peddler gets beheaded wouldn't be soooooo bad, right?
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    Or the poster who derails threads by constantly posting that the fat you eat is the fat you wear. That's not helpful either.
  • Posts: 3,262 Member
    singingflutelady wrote: »
    Or the poster who derails threads by constantly posting that the fat you eat is the fat you wear. That's not helpful either.

    lol, i have not heard that one before. who makes this stuff up
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    He is high carb low (as in below minimum) fat vegan
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    singingflutelady wrote: »
    Or the poster who derails threads by constantly posting that the fat you eat is the fat you wear. That's not helpful either.

    Yes we know that.
  • Posts: 30,886 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
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    There you go..


    Its not the correcting of misinformation. .. its that fact that its the only thing people do... while completely ignoring the OP.

    Again, as a participant in those threads who tries to correct misinformation but spends much more of my time and energy giving ideas of how to deal with the problem and my own history and what worked for me, I know that this is not true. I am one of those people, and it is absolutely NOT all that I do, or many, many other posters I see posting in those forums.
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    stevencloser wrote: »
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    Well, a nutrition revolution where every woo peddler gets beheaded wouldn't be soooooo bad, right?

    The enlightenment died before beheadings began... hmm, now why does that suddenly sound relevant?

    By the way, the Terror saw beheadings of many different factions - not just woo paddlers would get it. You'd see people right and left lose their head.

    NP: Heads Will Roll - Yeah Yeah Yeah.
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    Isn't there a phenomenon called "psychological addiction"? I used to see this a lot referring to marijuana, and I think it could be used for sugar, too.
  • Posts: 5,377 Member
    singingflutelady wrote: »
    He is high carb low (as in below minimum) fat vegan

    Body, dietary, or both? :p
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    Therealobi1 wrote: »
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    lol, i have not heard that one before. who makes this stuff up

    Susan Powter, I think.

    It's cute that kids today are giving tribute to the '90s.
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    EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
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    The enlightenment died before beheadings began... hmm, now why does that suddenly sound relevant?

    By the way, the Terror saw beheadings of many different factions - not just woo paddlers would get it. You'd see people right and left lose their head.

    NP: Heads Will Roll - Yeah Yeah Yeah.

    Suddenly I have less respect for facts and wish to just be told what lets my joke stay funny.
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    senecarr wrote: »
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    Body, dietary, or both? :p

    Dietary lol
  • Posts: 3,643 Member
    senecarr wrote: »
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    Body, dietary, or both? :p

    I don't think anyone knows their personal stats, but that poster advocates removing all dietary fat because "the fat you eat is the fat you wear" and only links to vegan propaganda sites as "proof"
  • Posts: 2,171 Member
    I've been thinking about thread "derailment". It's really a natural consequence of human communication. These forums are very clumsy in the way it's handled. Three changes could help a lot without requiring a lot of moderator supervision of conversations.

    1. Thread nesting. Seriously, why is this not a thing? Nested threads allow for natural branching of topics.
    2. Some sort of agreement mechanism like a (+) or smiley reaction rating. This would help reduce forum bloat.
    3. Post tragging. Even if the options are limited.
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
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    Again, as a participant in those threads who tries to correct misinformation but spends much more of my time and energy giving ideas of how to deal with the problem and my own history and what worked for me, I know that this is not true. I am one of those people, and it is absolutely NOT all that I do, or many, many other posters I see posting in those forums.

    This. There seems to be a suggestion that those of us posting in here are all perceived to be the ones who are not interested in striking the balance between correcting misinformation and genuinely trying to help the OP.
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    psulemon wrote: »
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    I only explain things so many times. If people dont want to understand, that is on them.

    This is the point that many of us have reached in the forums on topics such as helping those who believe their sugar addiction is why they can't lose weight.

    Welcome to the other side.
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    I'm confused because I've seen so many of the posters on this thread really help the OP and give them alot of time and attention. They don't get alot of thanks for it. Thanks guys. <3
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    edited February 2016
    WinoGelato wrote: »
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    This. There seems to be a suggestion that those of us posting in here are all perceived to be the ones who are not interested in striking the balance between correcting misinformation and genuinely trying to help the OP.

    It's like the "mean people" accusation. When it's vaguely leveled at the entirety of MFP, everyone is left to wonder if they were the target and many assume they are so they defend themselves against it.

    Except in this case, based on which posts have been moved to this dark side of the forums and which posts are left on the main site, we actually have confirmation of which TPTB believe are the problem and which are apparently preferred.

    Edit: for clarity.
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  • Posts: 5,481 Member
    singingflutelady wrote: »
    It almost feels like they are trying to run off the long term, better educated in fitness and nutrition people from this forum. If the boards continue to be all woo filled and we are not allowed to say anything I don't know how much longer I'll be around

    This ^^^^^ is what I noticed.
  • Posts: 15,357 Member
    tomteboda wrote: »
    I've been thinking about thread "derailment". It's really a natural consequence of human communication. These forums are very clumsy in the way it's handled. Three changes could help a lot without requiring a lot of moderator supervision of conversations.

    1. Thread nesting. Seriously, why is this not a thing? Nested threads allow for natural branching of topics.
    2. Some sort of agreement mechanism like a (+) or smiley reaction rating. This would help reduce forum bloat.
    3. Post tragging. Even if the options are limited.

    What do you think this place is, a functional forum?
  • Posts: 17,456 Member
    2snakeswoman wrote: »
    Isn't there a phenomenon called "psychological addiction"? I used to see this a lot referring to marijuana, and I think it could be used for sugar, too.

    Latest research puts food addiction into a behavioural context @2snakeswoman

    Behavioural addictions have different therapeutic responses to physical addiction

    This thread is about semantics, that's the reason for the thread to begin with

  • Posts: 24,208 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
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    And unfortunately this is the part that gets left out. At least more often than not in thr gd&w section.

    We have a tendency to focus on the controversial and probably doubly so for mods, because that is what gets reported.

    But as far as I've seen in every single sugar addiction thread there are those that do, each and every time, focus less on the semantics of use and more on how focusing either on 1) how a cognitive crutch of an external cause ("addiction") may (/or may not) be counter productive to managing long term goals 2) non-restrictive long term strategies that do not try to cut out a major food item may be more successful.

    Perhaps those posts don't get noticed as much? Which is ironic and saddening, if only the abrasive message is impactful then the learning is that one should be MORE combative to get a point across. As an aside, communication strategy of current American elections seems to be right in line with this. We should be "more Trump, all Trump, all the time!"



    :dizzy:
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    senecarr wrote: »
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    Suddenly I have less respect for facts and wish to just be told what lets my joke stay funny.

    I'm sorry.
    "Let them eat cake."

    "Apres moi, le deluge!"
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    EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
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    I'm sorry.
    "Let them eat cake kale."

    "Apres moi, le deluge!"

    fixed it.
  • Posts: 17,456 Member
    EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
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    We have a tendency to focus on the controversial and probably doubly so for mods, because that is what gets reported.

    But as far as I've seen in every single sugar addiction thread there are those that do, each and every time, focus less on the semantics of use and more on how focusing either on 1) how a cognitive crutch of an external cause ("addiction") may (/or may not) be counter productive to managing long term goals 2) non-restrictive long term strategies that do not try to cut out a major food item may be more successful.

    Perhaps those posts don't get noticed as much? Which is ironic and saddening, if only the abrasive message is impactful then the learning is that one should be MORE combative to get a point across. As an aside, communication strategy of current American elections seems to be right in line with this. We should be "more Trump, all Trump, all the time!"



    :dizzy:

    Oh no you di'nt
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    Make MFP great again!
  • Posts: 1,048 Member
    Came here to argue about useful v. useless replies to those misinformed about food "addiction". Found that my opinion has already been stated more eloquently than what I could've done and agreed to by the majority.

    Sort of disappointed... I was feeling snippy this afternoon.
  • Posts: 3,944 Member
    edited February 2016
    jofjltncb6 wrote: »
    Make MFP great again!

    I feel like this should be a first post from a SparkPeople user.
  • Posts: 5,377 Member
    ManiacalLaugh wrote: »
    Came here to argue about useful v. useless replies to those misinformed about food "addiction". Found that my opinion has already been stated more eloquently than what I could've done and agreed to by the majority.

    Sort of disappointed... I was feeling snippy this afternoon.

    You aren't dissapointed at all and you know it - since you might have been looking for an argument. :p
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