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Apple Cider Vinegar
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AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
You had a medically diagnosed candida overgrowth and physician advised taking apple cider vinegar instead of a prescription anti-fungal?
I went out to look this up in the lit, just out of curiosity, and apparently there are no studies, either yea or nay, on the efficacy of acetic acid on candida albicans. I found a research paper from Saddleback College, which is not peer-reviewed, and I found a peer-reviewed article on ACV being effective with oral candida--but on lady parts? Nothing. This seems really odd, because unlike a study on weight control, it seems like it would be a very easy and cheap (relatively speaking) study to look into the antifungal capabilities of acetic acid vs. candida albicans. Very. Curious.
I did, however, find a nice peer reviewed study on driving the Forty Mule Team into the lady parts, with a study on boric acid vs. candida. It apparently works, but...no thank you. https://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/63/2/325.short
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jmbmilholland wrote: »AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
You had a medically diagnosed candida overgrowth and physician advised taking apple cider vinegar instead of a prescription anti-fungal?
I went out to look this up in the lit, just out of curiosity, and apparently there are no studies, either yea or nay, on the efficacy of acetic acid on candida albicans. I found a research paper from Saddleback College, which is not peer-reviewed, and I found a peer-reviewed article on ACV being effective with oral candida--but on lady parts? Nothing. This seems really odd, because unlike a study on weight control, it seems like it would be a very easy and cheap (relatively speaking) study to look into the antifungal capabilities of acetic acid vs. candida albicans. Very. Curious.
I did, however, find a nice peer reviewed study on driving the Forty Mule Team into the lady parts, with a study on boric acid vs. candida. It apparently works, but...no thank you. https://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/63/2/325.short
I have read this multiple times and I can't make sense of the phrase "driving a mule into lady parts". And I'm terrified to click the link.1 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
You had a medically diagnosed candida overgrowth and physician advised taking apple cider vinegar instead of a prescription anti-fungal?
I went out to look this up in the lit, just out of curiosity, and apparently there are no studies, either yea or nay, on the efficacy of acetic acid on candida albicans. I found a research paper from Saddleback College, which is not peer-reviewed, and I found a peer-reviewed article on ACV being effective with oral candida--but on lady parts? Nothing. This seems really odd, because unlike a study on weight control, it seems like it would be a very easy and cheap (relatively speaking) study to look into the antifungal capabilities of acetic acid vs. candida albicans. Very. Curious.
I did, however, find a nice peer reviewed study on driving the Forty Mule Team into the lady parts, with a study on boric acid vs. candida. It apparently works, but...no thank you. https://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/63/2/325.short
I have read this multiple times and I can't make sense of the phrase "driving a mule into lady parts". And I'm terrified to click the link.
Lol! Boric acid comes from borax, famously marketed under Forty Mule Team based on the effort it took to extract and transport it from the desert. It's a harsh chemical better relegated to the laundry shelf. The article is perfectly safe for work and properly scientific.0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
You had a medically diagnosed candida overgrowth and physician advised taking apple cider vinegar instead of a prescription anti-fungal?
I went out to look this up in the lit, just out of curiosity, and apparently there are no studies, either yea or nay, on the efficacy of acetic acid on candida albicans. I found a research paper from Saddleback College, which is not peer-reviewed, and I found a peer-reviewed article on ACV being effective with oral candida--but on lady parts? Nothing. This seems really odd, because unlike a study on weight control, it seems like it would be a very easy and cheap (relatively speaking) study to look into the antifungal capabilities of acetic acid vs. candida albicans. Very. Curious.
I did, however, find a nice peer reviewed study on driving the Forty Mule Team into the lady parts, with a study on boric acid vs. candida. It apparently works, but...no thank you. https://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/63/2/325.short
I have read this multiple times and I can't make sense of the phrase "driving a mule into lady parts". And I'm terrified to click the link.
Lol! Boric acid comes from borax, famously marketed under Forty Mule Team based on the effort it took to extract and transport it from the desert. It's a harsh chemical better relegated to the laundry shelf. The article is perfectly safe for work and properly scientific.
Well running the forty mule team kind of evokes the idea of running a train.0 -
I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.0 -
Oooooo.......please share!rankinsect wrote: »
@sndrd49
I just do this recipe: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/30522/unbelievable-chicken/
It's my favorite chicken recipe. I marinade overnight and cook them on the old George Foreman.
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It helped me in a kind of backwards way, right - so, I tried it cos I thought it had some magical weight-loss quality, but I had to have it first thing in the morning, diluted it in a glass of water, then to get the taste from my throat I had to drink another big glass of water. BAM! First thing in the morning, two glasses of water, great way to start your day off. Now I don't bother having the ACV, I sometimes put a little lemon juice in some warm water, but it's the water that counts!0
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AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
So, what is the biological mechanism of ingestion of vinegar resulting in the elimination of rhinovirus from the body?
ACV helps to alkalize your body (most of us are more acidic). A body that’s more alkaline may be more effective at fighting off viruses that cause colds and the flu. So adding it at the onset of a cold can help. It's been pretty awesome. It's not for everyone, but I've liked it!0 -
AmberSpamber wrote: »AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
So, what is the biological mechanism of ingestion of vinegar resulting in the elimination of rhinovirus from the body?
ACV helps to alkalize your body (most of us are more acidic). A body that’s more alkaline may be more effective at fighting off viruses that cause colds and the flu. So adding it at the onset of a cold can help. It's been pretty awesome. It's not for everyone, but I've liked it!
Our kidneys and lungs do a fine job of keeping our bodies at the right pH level. No ACV needed or we'd be dead a long time ago!0 -
AmberSpamber wrote: »AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
So, what is the biological mechanism of ingestion of vinegar resulting in the elimination of rhinovirus from the body?
ACV helps to alkalize your body (most of us are more acidic). A body that’s more alkaline may be more effective at fighting off viruses that cause colds and the flu. So adding it at the onset of a cold can help. It's been pretty awesome. It's not for everyone, but I've liked it!
Believing in alkaline body theory is trying to reduce a bayesian landscape of complex multi-variables into a simple black and white / good and bad set of thinking. Having alkaline blood would mean you're dead, so I can't see why anyone would want that. Saying various things alkalize your body and therefore can only improve your health is like claiming you can tell me a direction that will send me to China without knowing where I'm starting from. Just as there is no China-ward direction that is the same for all points on the earth, there is no food that one can guarantee will move a person towards health.0 -
rankinsect wrote: »
Oooooo.......please share!rankinsect wrote: »
@sndrd49
I just do this recipe: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/30522/unbelievable-chicken/
It's my favorite chicken recipe. I marinade overnight and cook them on the old George Foreman.
Thanks. Looks deliciius, I will test it out this weekend.0 -
AmberSpamber wrote: »AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
So, what is the biological mechanism of ingestion of vinegar resulting in the elimination of rhinovirus from the body?
ACV helps to alkalize your body (most of us are more acidic). A body that’s more alkaline may be more effective at fighting off viruses that cause colds and the flu. So adding it at the onset of a cold can help. It's been pretty awesome. It's not for everyone, but I've liked it!
All of that is total woo. The body tightly regulates pH in a very, very narrow range and if one were able to significantly change it (in either direction), it would result in severe illness and/or death.
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AmberSpamber wrote: »AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
So, what is the biological mechanism of ingestion of vinegar resulting in the elimination of rhinovirus from the body?
ACV helps to alkalize your body (most of us are more acidic). A body that’s more alkaline may be more effective at fighting off viruses that cause colds and the flu. So adding it at the onset of a cold can help. It's been pretty awesome. It's not for everyone, but I've liked it!
That's absolutely and completely false pseudoscience.0 -
I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
Imaginary cure for an imaginary disease. Makes sense to me.0 -
AmberSpamber wrote: »AmberSpamber wrote: »There are always going to be those out there that disagree with it. Honestly, I felt the same way but I starting drinking 2 TB daily to assist with killing my candida overgrowth and noticed that it made me feel amazing so I continued drinking it. It gives me energy, has totally cleared up my skin and helps with my stomach issues. I've also noticed it it helps kick a cold fast! While taking it I did feel that it increased my weight loss- but its hard to say that it was in fact the ACV as it could have just been a kick *kitten* week ya know? Do some research and make an educated guess on that and on how you feel. It is NOT easy to get down in the beginning, so add a little lemon to the water to cover the taste... Now.... I crave it.
So, what is the biological mechanism of ingestion of vinegar resulting in the elimination of rhinovirus from the body?
ACV helps to alkalize your body (most of us are more acidic). A body that’s more alkaline may be more effective at fighting off viruses that cause colds and the flu. So adding it at the onset of a cold can help. It's been pretty awesome. It's not for everyone, but I've liked it!
All of that is total woo. The body tightly regulates pH in a very, very narrow range and if one were able to significantly change it (in either direction), it would result in severe illness and/or death.
Just came in to add the same graphic
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I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
There is definitely a lot of crazy talk with ACV, and in many cases, such as the poster talking about acidifying the body, it is utter BS.
Candida does, in fact, cause the two issues I am discussing. What is odd is that there seems to be a gap in the research between the effects of acetic acid on oral candidiasis (which supports its efficacy) and its effects on candida albicans vaginitis. It seems like it would be low hanging fruit in a publish-or-perish culture. It is scientifically plausible (and eminently testable) that if ACV kills candida in your mouth (while not ruining your dentures) it would kill candida in other delicate areas as well. Even an undergrad could run that study and have a peer-reviewed paper in hand for grad school admissions. I suspect it might help relieve it but not completely knock out the colonies like the heavier fungicides do.0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
There is definitely a lot of crazy talk with ACV, and in many cases, such as the poster talking about acidifying the body, it is utter BS.
Candida does, in fact, cause the two issues I am discussing. What is odd is that there seems to be a gap in the research between the effects of acetic acid on oral candidiasis (which supports its efficacy) and its effects on candida albicans vaginitis. It seems like it would be low hanging fruit in a publish-or-perish culture. It is scientifically plausible (and eminently testable) that if ACV kills candida in your mouth (while not ruining your dentures) it would kill candida in other delicate areas as well. Even an undergrad could run that study and have a peer-reviewed paper in hand for grad school admissions. I suspect it might help relieve it but not completely knock out the colonies like the heavier fungicides do.
Actually it is interesting that even boric acid works. I thought yeast was generally a bit acid resistant, and the lady parts area was a bit acidic of an environment, so they already have to have some resistance just to colonize there.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
Imaginary cure for an imaginary disease. Makes sense to me.
LOL. I wish oral candidiasis and candida albicans vaginitis were imaginary diseases. That way I wouldn't have lost a bet with a table full of MDs that they couldn't absolutely disgust me with any of their case studies. Yes, yes, they could.0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
Imaginary cure for an imaginary disease. Makes sense to me.
LOL. I wish oral candidiasis and candida albicans vaginitis were imaginary diseases. That way I wouldn't have lost a bet with a table full of MDs that they couldn't absolutely disgust me with any of their case studies. Yes, yes, they could.
You are referring to oral thrush. There is a general adaptation of this in fad science (or lack there of) of generalized candida "infections", or like this site, it's used as some kind of disease in and of itself:
http://www.thecandidadiet.com/candidasymptoms.htm0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
There is definitely a lot of crazy talk with ACV, and in many cases, such as the poster talking about acidifying the body, it is utter BS.
Candida does, in fact, cause the two issues I am discussing. What is odd is that there seems to be a gap in the research between the effects of acetic acid on oral candidiasis (which supports its efficacy) and its effects on candida albicans vaginitis. It seems like it would be low hanging fruit in a publish-or-perish culture. It is scientifically plausible (and eminently testable) that if ACV kills candida in your mouth (while not ruining your dentures) it would kill candida in other delicate areas as well. Even an undergrad could run that study and have a peer-reviewed paper in hand for grad school admissions. I suspect it might help relieve it but not completely knock out the colonies like the heavier fungicides do.
Actually it is interesting that even boric acid works. I thought yeast was generally a bit acid resistant, and the lady parts area was a bit acidic of an environment, so they already have to have some resistance just to colonize there.
You're right, and it's the same with saliva. There was at least one microbiology or biochem article out there that discussed different genetic manifestations/responses based on stressing candida with acetic acid but I couldn't access anything beyond the abstract and it would have been too fancy for me to read credibly anyway. So, as with my reference to Plato's Pharmakon above, the dosage makes the poison or the cure. (I am still baffled as to how a guy with Seneca in his name could have resisted that pure, delicious, philosophical red meat.
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Interestingly, there is another study that looks at 5 different acids, including acetic, and their effect on different molds; only 3 of the 5 were effective at 20 ml/L and 50 ml/L, with acetic acid just being effective with 2 molds at 50 ml/L concentration. This would be a great study model for the (as far as I can tell) missing research. Unfortunately, I am no longer involved in academia, so have no hapless bio/chem undergrads to corner and foist this research on. Alas. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8122343
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jmbmilholland wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
There is definitely a lot of crazy talk with ACV, and in many cases, such as the poster talking about acidifying the body, it is utter BS.
Candida does, in fact, cause the two issues I am discussing. What is odd is that there seems to be a gap in the research between the effects of acetic acid on oral candidiasis (which supports its efficacy) and its effects on candida albicans vaginitis. It seems like it would be low hanging fruit in a publish-or-perish culture. It is scientifically plausible (and eminently testable) that if ACV kills candida in your mouth (while not ruining your dentures) it would kill candida in other delicate areas as well. Even an undergrad could run that study and have a peer-reviewed paper in hand for grad school admissions. I suspect it might help relieve it but not completely knock out the colonies like the heavier fungicides do.
Actually it is interesting that even boric acid works. I thought yeast was generally a bit acid resistant, and the lady parts area was a bit acidic of an environment, so they already have to have some resistance just to colonize there.
You're right, and it's the same with saliva. There was at least one microbiology or biochem article out there that discussed different genetic manifestations/responses based on stressing candida with acetic acid but I couldn't access anything beyond the abstract and it would have been too fancy for me to read credibly anyway. So, as with my reference to Plato's Pharmakon above, the dosage makes the poison or the cure. (I am still baffled as to how a guy with Seneca in his name could have resisted that pure, delicious, philosophical red meat. )
Interestingly, there is another study that looks at 5 different acids, including acetic, and their effect on different molds; only 3 of the 5 were effective at 20 ml/L and 50 ml/L, with acetic acid just being effective with 2 molds at 50 ml/L concentration. This would be a great study model for the (as far as I can tell) missing research. Unfortunately, I am no longer involved in academia, so have no hapless bio/chem undergrads to corner and foist this research on. Alas. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8122343
You recognize the name Seneca but don't understand how such a person could resist temptation?0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
There is definitely a lot of crazy talk with ACV, and in many cases, such as the poster talking about acidifying the body, it is utter BS.
Candida does, in fact, cause the two issues I am discussing. What is odd is that there seems to be a gap in the research between the effects of acetic acid on oral candidiasis (which supports its efficacy) and its effects on candida albicans vaginitis. It seems like it would be low hanging fruit in a publish-or-perish culture. It is scientifically plausible (and eminently testable) that if ACV kills candida in your mouth (while not ruining your dentures) it would kill candida in other delicate areas as well. Even an undergrad could run that study and have a peer-reviewed paper in hand for grad school admissions. I suspect it might help relieve it but not completely knock out the colonies like the heavier fungicides do.
I don't know if this was a pun, but it should have been if it wasn't.0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
There is definitely a lot of crazy talk with ACV, and in many cases, such as the poster talking about acidifying the body, it is utter BS.
Candida does, in fact, cause the two issues I am discussing. What is odd is that there seems to be a gap in the research between the effects of acetic acid on oral candidiasis (which supports its efficacy) and its effects on candida albicans vaginitis. It seems like it would be low hanging fruit in a publish-or-perish culture. It is scientifically plausible (and eminently testable) that if ACV kills candida in your mouth (while not ruining your dentures) it would kill candida in other delicate areas as well. Even an undergrad could run that study and have a peer-reviewed paper in hand for grad school admissions. I suspect it might help relieve it but not completely knock out the colonies like the heavier fungicides do.
Actually it is interesting that even boric acid works. I thought yeast was generally a bit acid resistant, and the lady parts area was a bit acidic of an environment, so they already have to have some resistance just to colonize there.
You're right, and it's the same with saliva. There was at least one microbiology or biochem article out there that discussed different genetic manifestations/responses based on stressing candida with acetic acid but I couldn't access anything beyond the abstract and it would have been too fancy for me to read credibly anyway. So, as with my reference to Plato's Pharmakon above, the dosage makes the poison or the cure. (I am still baffled as to how a guy with Seneca in his name could have resisted that pure, delicious, philosophical red meat. )
Interestingly, there is another study that looks at 5 different acids, including acetic, and their effect on different molds; only 3 of the 5 were effective at 20 ml/L and 50 ml/L, with acetic acid just being effective with 2 molds at 50 ml/L concentration. This would be a great study model for the (as far as I can tell) missing research. Unfortunately, I am no longer involved in academia, so have no hapless bio/chem undergrads to corner and foist this research on. Alas. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8122343
You recognize the name Seneca but don't understand how such a person could resist temptation?
LOL. Veeery subtle. But of course, Seneca, Cato and Cicero couldn't--and didn't--resist the temptation of Phaedrus. It is just too beautiful a work. Or perhaps I should say virtuous.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
There is definitely a lot of crazy talk with ACV, and in many cases, such as the poster talking about acidifying the body, it is utter BS.
Candida does, in fact, cause the two issues I am discussing. What is odd is that there seems to be a gap in the research between the effects of acetic acid on oral candidiasis (which supports its efficacy) and its effects on candida albicans vaginitis. It seems like it would be low hanging fruit in a publish-or-perish culture. It is scientifically plausible (and eminently testable) that if ACV kills candida in your mouth (while not ruining your dentures) it would kill candida in other delicate areas as well. Even an undergrad could run that study and have a peer-reviewed paper in hand for grad school admissions. I suspect it might help relieve it but not completely knock out the colonies like the heavier fungicides do.
I don't know if this was a pun, but it should have been if it wasn't.
VERY naughty. (But funny.) (And no, if I had caught it, I would have edited it, as I blush just typing "lady parts".)0 -
I love it. I put it with a bit of organic apple juice and lemon juice in my water everyday. it helps cleanse the system and remove any bloat. Anything in moderation, but for a period at a time, I personally think it is good for you.0
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jmbmilholland wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
Imaginary cure for an imaginary disease. Makes sense to me.
LOL. I wish oral candidiasis and candida albicans vaginitis were imaginary diseases. That way I wouldn't have lost a bet with a table full of MDs that they couldn't absolutely disgust me with any of their case studies. Yes, yes, they could.
You are referring to oral thrush. There is a general adaptation of this in fad science (or lack there of) of generalized candida "infections", or like this site, it's used as some kind of disease in and of itself:
http://www.thecandidadiet.com/candidasymptoms.htm
Yup. This is what I was also trying to refer to, @jmbmilholland, not the actual diseases. I'm definitely aware that they exist, but not quite on the way that many people who claim to have Candida mostly mean nowadays.0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
Imaginary cure for an imaginary disease. Makes sense to me.
LOL. I wish oral candidiasis and candida albicans vaginitis were imaginary diseases. That way I wouldn't have lost a bet with a table full of MDs that they couldn't absolutely disgust me with any of their case studies. Yes, yes, they could.
You are referring to oral thrush. There is a general adaptation of this in fad science (or lack there of) of generalized candida "infections", or like this site, it's used as some kind of disease in and of itself:
http://www.thecandidadiet.com/candidasymptoms.htm
Yup. This is what I was also trying to refer to, @jmbmilholland, not the actual diseases. I'm definitely aware that they exist, but not quite on the way that many people who claim to have Candida mostly mean nowadays.
So does that mean ACV can cure persistent Lyme disease (the kind that doesn't show up in the blood and doesn't respond to any antibiotic) too?0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
Imaginary cure for an imaginary disease. Makes sense to me.
LOL. I wish oral candidiasis and candida albicans vaginitis were imaginary diseases. That way I wouldn't have lost a bet with a table full of MDs that they couldn't absolutely disgust me with any of their case studies. Yes, yes, they could.
You are referring to oral thrush. There is a general adaptation of this in fad science (or lack there of) of generalized candida "infections", or like this site, it's used as some kind of disease in and of itself:
http://www.thecandidadiet.com/candidasymptoms.htm
Yup. This is what I was also trying to refer to, @jmbmilholland, not the actual diseases. I'm definitely aware that they exist, but not quite on the way that many people who claim to have Candida mostly mean nowadays.
So does that mean ACV can cure persistent Lyme disease (the kind that doesn't show up in the blood and doesn't respond to any antibiotic) too?
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I love it. I put it with a bit of organic apple juice and lemon juice in my water everyday. it helps cleanse the system and remove any bloat. Anything in moderation, but for a period at a time, I personally think it is good for you.
"cleanse the system"
Which system? And of what is it being cleansed?0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »I'm unsurprised, @jmbmilholland, that you were unable to find anything. Candida overgrowth is a new popular blame for every problem ever.
See: http://mindbodyandsoleonline.com/health-nutrition/taming-the-yeastie-beasties/
Since apple cider vinegar is the new cure for every problem ever, it makes sense that they'd get lumped together, even if neither has any backing.
Imaginary cure for an imaginary disease. Makes sense to me.
LOL. I wish oral candidiasis and candida albicans vaginitis were imaginary diseases. That way I wouldn't have lost a bet with a table full of MDs that they couldn't absolutely disgust me with any of their case studies. Yes, yes, they could.
You are referring to oral thrush. There is a general adaptation of this in fad science (or lack there of) of generalized candida "infections", or like this site, it's used as some kind of disease in and of itself:
http://www.thecandidadiet.com/candidasymptoms.htm
Yup. This is what I was also trying to refer to, @jmbmilholland, not the actual diseases. I'm definitely aware that they exist, but not quite on the way that many people who claim to have Candida mostly mean nowadays.
So does that mean ACV can cure persistent Lyme disease (the kind that doesn't show up in the blood and doesn't respond to any antibiotic) too?
This is exactly the kind of ailment that ACV is likely best at curing...ones for which tests are unable to determine the existence or the resulting elimination of said ailment.0
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