Which of these 2 Cereals should I eat? (Harder than I thought)
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heatherwartanyan wrote: »Your body will better digest and convert whole foods better. And use up that energy as while foods that are nutrient dense can be used across the board. While processed chemical layden foods are harder to digest and use. It's that simple.
Highly refined foods are extremely easy for your body to digest, especially if they are low in fiber (many cereals are high fiber, I didn't check these). That's why they are supposed to be bad for weight loss -- as you digest them quickly and in their entirety you get all the calories from them and often don't stay full particularly long.Where the apple Jacks will require less energy to burn and will be stored more easily as fat and sugar in the body.
No, this depends on whether you have a calorie surplus or not. (Topping up your glycogen might be useful if you are planning on going for a run, also.)0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Apple Jacks sound awful and as though they are made for children. Are you a child?
There is nothing wrong with enjoying 'kid' cereals. I still eat Lucky Charms when I can, though I prefer the generic ones because the 'marshmellows' are better. There's no rule saying when you hit a certian age number you have to give up all things you enjoyed when you were younger. If you stick with a single serving of a kid cereal and it fits in your daily goal, why not?
Because it's disgusting. Your taste buds should mature as an adult. And if they don't, you should at least have the common sense to know that it's pure junk. If that's how you want to treat your body, then good luck to you.
I pour wine on my Fruit Loops. Is that mature enough for you?
You. I like you.
Ewwww, that makes your cereal soggy! XD
Although, a kid cereal flavored vodka might be a good seller....*ponders*
Eh, I'm just teasing
No soggy cereal for me. I actually don't put anything on cereal when I eat it. I like the crunch factor too much. I could see myself drinking a glass of wine while munching Froot Loops though. (Just realized it's Froot and not Fruit.)
Oh, I'm not the only one! Most people look at me funny for preferring my cereal dry, but I just don't like soggy cereal. The texture is all wrong!
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heatherwartanyan wrote: »
Well, I filled up "on the right stuff" alright. I filled up to more than 300 pounds eating mostly whole and healthy foods, got pre-diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol, all by the simple act of overeating. It didn't matter that the foods I overate were mostly healthy, and that I snacked on healthy nuts instead of "junk". It all didn't matter.
Not everything needs to be eaten from a health perspective. Not everything needs to be compared. If you are eating a colorful diet full of vegetables and enough protein and fat to sustain your functions, anything else is just extra and can be purely for your taste buds. You don't get extra credit for overloading on nutrients. A bowl of cereal in the morning followed by a nutrient rich day (and a bit of chocolate if you want) is healthy and perfectly balanced.
The problem "anti-junk" people have is that they paint a picture of a person who eats nothing but sugary cereals, doughnuts and jelly beans, then believe it to be true. That's not how most people on a diet eat, even those who count calories and allow themselves some "taste bud foods".0 -
heatherwartanyan wrote: »Point.t blank processed calories dont nourish the body.....why they are considered empty
I don't actually expect an answer, but what is a processed calorie and how can I tell it apart from a non processed calorie?
And, since you certainly are using "calorie" incorrectly to mean food, please explain to me why smoked salmon and plain greek yogurt do not provide nourishment.
Or are you going to refuse to engage and actually stand behind what you post?0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Apple Jacks sound awful and as though they are made for children. Are you a child?
There is nothing wrong with enjoying 'kid' cereals. I still eat Lucky Charms when I can, though I prefer the generic ones because the 'marshmellows' are better. There's no rule saying when you hit a certian age number you have to give up all things you enjoyed when you were younger. If you stick with a single serving of a kid cereal and it fits in your daily goal, why not?
Because it's disgusting. Your taste buds should mature as an adult. And if they don't, you should at least have the common sense to know that it's pure junk. If that's how you want to treat your body, then good luck to you.
I pour wine on my Fruit Loops. Is that mature enough for you?
You. I like you.
Ewwww, that makes your cereal soggy! XD
Although, a kid cereal flavored vodka might be a good seller....*ponders*
Eh, I'm just teasing No soggy cereal for me. I actually don't put anything on cereal when I eat it. I like the crunch factor too much. I could see myself drinking a glass of wine while munching Froot Loops though. (Just realized it's Froot and not Fruit.)
Oh, I'm not the only one! Most people look at me funny for preferring my cereal dry, but I just don't like soggy cereal. The texture is all wrong!
I too cannot stand soggy cereal. So I pour in a little at a time AND I will admit to eating too fast to avoid the dreaded puff and sogg.
My kids can spend 10+ mins eating cereal. Im like hurry up before it gets soggy!! Yeaaaah, thats not a reality for them.
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WinoGelato wrote: »
I quoted a couple of the posts over there.0 -
MommyMeggo wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Apple Jacks sound awful and as though they are made for children. Are you a child?
There is nothing wrong with enjoying 'kid' cereals. I still eat Lucky Charms when I can, though I prefer the generic ones because the 'marshmellows' are better. There's no rule saying when you hit a certian age number you have to give up all things you enjoyed when you were younger. If you stick with a single serving of a kid cereal and it fits in your daily goal, why not?
Because it's disgusting. Your taste buds should mature as an adult. And if they don't, you should at least have the common sense to know that it's pure junk. If that's how you want to treat your body, then good luck to you.
I pour wine on my Fruit Loops. Is that mature enough for you?
You. I like you.
Ewwww, that makes your cereal soggy! XD
Although, a kid cereal flavored vodka might be a good seller....*ponders*
Eh, I'm just teasing No soggy cereal for me. I actually don't put anything on cereal when I eat it. I like the crunch factor too much. I could see myself drinking a glass of wine while munching Froot Loops though. (Just realized it's Froot and not Fruit.)
Oh, I'm not the only one! Most people look at me funny for preferring my cereal dry, but I just don't like soggy cereal. The texture is all wrong!
I too cannot stand soggy cereal. So I pour in a little at a time AND I will admit to eating too fast to avoid the dreaded puff and sogg.
My kids can spend 10+ mins eating cereal. Im like hurry up before it gets soggy!! Yeaaaah, thats not a reality for them.
I can't stand soggy crackers in soup either. I've stopped eating tomato soup entirely because I would eat an entire sleeve of crackers (or more
!) with one cup of soup. It's awful but I almost like the feeling of the scratchy crackers going down my throat. 0 -
The fact is. Your body is still not going to use the calories from crap the same as from real nutrient dense foods.0
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heatherwartanyan wrote: »The fact is. Your body is still not going to use the calories from crap the same as from real nutrient dense foods.
Says who?0 -
OK, I'm sorry but I couldn't read through 4 pages about cereal, of all things. Forgive me if this has been said (and I suspect it has):
1. Eat what you like, as it fits into your calorie goal.
2. Apple Jacks are not bad.
3. Do you agonize over every food decision like this? If so, you'll drop weight pretty quickly because you'll spend more time trying to decide between cereals....and bread....and soups....and types of lettuce....that you won't actually eat anything.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »heatherwartanyan wrote: »The fact is. Your body is still not going to use the calories from crap the same as from real nutrient dense foods.
Says who?
Dr oz I'm guessing0 -
heatherwartanyan wrote: »The fact is. Your body is still not going to use the calories from crap the same as from real nutrient dense foods.
What is "crap", exactly?
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heatherwartanyan wrote: »The fact is. Your body is still not going to use the calories from crap the same as from real nutrient dense foods.
I would imagine if a person were eating feces, they may have difficulty hitting nutritional goals. However, since people (I hope) aren't actually doing that, I'm not sure what foods you are calling "crap" that don't provide any nutrition? No one is saying that apple jacks are the same as an apple. That is silly. However, that doesn't mean that apple jacks are "crap" or that they provide no nutrition at all, or that they can't also be enjoyed as part of a primarily nutrient dense diet?
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Foods that are highly processed have more empty calories. Not really nutrition. When fueling your body, it will take more from foods that are nutrient dense rather then foods that are void of such nutrients. While a calorie equals energy. Your body processes those calories completely differently.0
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amusedmonkey wrote: »The problem "anti-junk" people have is that they paint a picture of a person who eats nothing but sugary cereals, doughnuts and jelly beans, then believe it to be true.
Jeez, no kidding. I was walking around with an old friend recently and his wife was giving me a weird hassle about a Twix bar I grabbed at a bodega and was eating along the way. I even offered her some. What the hell, woman?
75% of what I eat is meat, eggs, and veggies. The rest is alien space food from the fifth dimension; I know what I'm doing. Relax about my stupid Twix bar.
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WinoGelato wrote: »How is this even a question. One has a catchy jingle. The other does not. Obviously you should choose Apple Jacks so you can sing,
"A is for Apple! J is for Jacks! Cinnamon-toasty Apple Jacks!" all day long!
And now the rest of you will be singing that too, at least those of you old enough to remember the commercial. You're welcome. Bwah hah hah hah.....
Dammit
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heatherwartanyan wrote: »Foods that are highly processed have more empty calories. Not really nutrition. When fueling your body, it will take more from foods that are nutrient dense rather then foods that are void of such nutrients. While a calorie equals energy. Your body processes those calories completely differently.
Did you read the thread I linked above? Here it is again. I think you will find the discussion enlightening.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10345604/a-quick-refresher-on-a-calorie-is-a-calorie/p10 -
heatherwartanyan wrote: »The fact is. Your body is still not going to use the calories from crap the same as from real nutrient dense foods.
Check out this thread, it is right in your wheelhouse.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it#latest
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heatherwartanyan wrote: »Foods that are highly processed have more empty calories. Not really nutrition. When fueling your body, it will take more from foods that are nutrient dense rather then foods that are void of such nutrients. While a calorie equals energy. Your body processes those calories completely differently.
Obviously more nutrient dense foods provide more nutrients.
Tell me how a 150 calorie Bowl of oatmeal is processed differently than a 150 calorie chocolate cookie from a calorie standpoint? They aren't. If you want to discuss micro nutrients profiles that's a different topic which no one is disputing0 -
Because all calories are not equal0
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heatherwartanyan wrote: »The fact is. Your body is still not going to use the calories from crap the same as from real nutrient dense foods.
So you won't gain weight from "crap"? Cool.0 -
heatherwartanyan wrote: »
Mercola is a quack. He is an AIDS denier and says sunscreen causes cancer. I would suggest reading other sources.0 -
Well, the serving size is different for one thing. So that makes a big difference. For me... honestly, eating cereal is more about what I enjoy more because there is no type that makes me feel full. So I'd just pick based on what I want (within a limit. If 1/4 cup was like 250 calories no way I'd bother fitting that in).0
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heatherwartanyan wrote: »Because all calories are not equal
All calories are equal from an energy standpoint. That doesn't mean that all foods have the same nutritional profile. However, the fact remains that both cereals provide macro and micro nutrients. How well they fit into the context of the OP's overall day is maybe one thing to consider if choosing between them, or determining if there are other foods to add which might provide more satiety. I'm not sure how either can be called "empty calories".0 -
heatherwartanyan wrote: »
You lost me at mercola....0 -
heatherwartanyan wrote: »Because all calories are not equal
Macro/Micronuterients profiles are not created equal.
But a calorie is a calorie regardless of how it makes you feel.0 -
MommyMeggo wrote: »heatherwartanyan wrote: »Foods that are highly processed have more empty calories. Not really nutrition. When fueling your body, it will take more from foods that are nutrient dense rather then foods that are void of such nutrients. While a calorie equals energy. Your body processes those calories completely differently.
Obviously more nutrient dense foods provide more nutrients.
Tell me how a 150 calorie Bowl of oatmeal is processed differently than a 150 calorie chocolate cookie from a calorie standpoint? They aren't. If you want to discuss micro nutrients profiles that's a different topic which no one is disputing
This.
Whether or not something is processed also does not determine how many nutrients it has. Processed foods like smoked salmon and cottage cheese and even the ham, avocado, and jalapeno sandwich with cheese and mango chutney I like to buy for lunch as an occasional splurge or the Buffalo chicken salad from Protein Bar (it has quinoa and kale, LOL!) have nutrients.0 -
Everyone has already replied similar, but I'd go for the Kashi just based on weight and protein alone... assuming of course that you even like this cereal? Don't eat things you don't like, it wont last long. If you don't like the Kashi and do like the AppleJacks, eat the AppleJacks.
Just your calories per day that MFP gives you and you'll win either way.0
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