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Is the amount of easy access processed food harming dieters health?
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lisawinning4losing wrote: »There could be people who care about their health but don't realize the dangers of processed food, or they do realize the danger and choose to eat it in moderation. Or, they realize the dangers and they care, but they're still struggling with junk food addiction. I wouldn't say that someone "doesn't care" about their health just because they eat processed food. And to me, that kind of sounds like a personal attack, so I wouldn't say that. I care, but I'm definitely still struggling with it. But I think it's a different focus to only be focused on calories and weight, or to be focused on things like healthy eating and natural living. Two different philosophies, obviously.
Please describe the dangers of processed foods and provide credible sources to support your claim.
Please provide credible sources to support the concept of junk food addiction.
Healthy eating and a focus on calories/weight are not mutually exclusive.
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queenliz99 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
I think we may die of old age before we get an answer. I think she just likes throw out little nuggets of misinformation.
Depends. Do you eat processed foods?
I do. My diary is amass of processed foods. I may die.
Maybe Christine and Lisawinning4losing should judge your diary and tell us how soon you will die. Of course, LIsa would have to open her diary to be fair.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
I think we may die of old age before we get an answer. I think she just likes throw out little nuggets of misinformation.
Depends. Do you eat processed foods?
I do. My diary is amass of processed foods. I may die.
Maybe Christine and Lisawinning4losing should judge your diary and tell us how soon you will die. Of course, LIsa would have to open her diary to be fair.
Heart attack on a plate!! The funny thing is my blood tests come back perfect now. It wasn't that way a few years ago, my doctor wanted to put me on cholesterol lowering drugs.0 -
It also supports CICO. They eat 3 meals a day (portioned unless taken or traded for something else), some get commissary, but it's usually not whole foods, and they don't have obesity issues. In fact many have physiques that lots of beach goers wish they had.If processed, low quality food is going to be the measure of how long someone will live, can someone inform penitentiary death row inmates? Because for some reason, while eating low quality food for consecutive YEARS, we can't get them to die on death row while waiting to exhaust their appeals.
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As someone who was a corrections officer and has seen first hand the food offenders are fed you make an excellent excellent point! I eat processed foods all the time but even I wouldn't want to eat the food they're fed day in day out for the rest of their lives
Part of the evidence I use about "processed" foods is what the penal system does to feed and inmate at a cost of $4 a day or less for 3 meals.
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I eat fast food at least once a week, and more if I'm really lazy to cook. McDonald's at least once a week since I was 10. And I'm not talking salads. Have yet to fail a physical exam.queenliz99 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
I think we may die of old age before we get an answer. I think she just likes throw out little nuggets of misinformation.
Depends. Do you eat processed foods?
I do. My diary is amass of processed foods. I may die.
Maybe Christine and Lisawinning4losing should judge your diary and tell us how soon you will die. Of course, LIsa would have to open her diary to be fair.
Heart attack on a plate!! The funny thing is my blood tests come back perfect now. It wasn't that way a few years ago, my doctor wanted to put me on cholesterol lowering drugs.
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markrgeary1 wrote: »Depends, how did you make the pancake batter? If like many folks you used Bisquick it's loaded with trans fats(at least in the US).
No trans fats. Image uploaded for future reference. Trans fats were pretty much regulated out of food in the USA several years ago.0 -
No trans fats. Image uploaded for future reference. Trans fats were pretty much regulated out of food in the USA several years ago.
Yet it's still on the label ? Is "partially hydrogenated soybean and/or cottonseed oil" free of trans fats ?
With silly labelling rules the 0 grams on the pack means <0.5 grams in 40g. So it could be 1% trans fats by weight.
FDA ruled only last year to phase out partially hydrogenated oils, giving three years to comply.0 -
It also supports CICO. They eat 3 meals a day (portioned unless taken or traded for something else), some get commissary, but it's usually not whole foods, and they don't have obesity issues. In fact many have physiques that lots of beach goers wish they had.If processed, low quality food is going to be the measure of how long someone will live, can someone inform penitentiary death row inmates? Because for some reason, while eating low quality food for consecutive YEARS, we can't get them to die on death row while waiting to exhaust their appeals.
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As someone who was a corrections officer and has seen first hand the food offenders are fed you make an excellent excellent point! I eat processed foods all the time but even I wouldn't want to eat the food they're fed day in day out for the rest of their lives
Part of the evidence I use about "processed" foods is what the penal system does to feed and inmate at a cost of $4 a day or less for 3 meals.
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A lot get commissary and the best sellers were definitely pop, peanut butter, ramen noodles (they used these to cook/make EVERYTHING), and packaged pastries like honey buns. Inmates eat horribly. There's very little fresh fruit or veggies in prison! But you're right their portion sizes are much different!0 -
It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.0
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Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
Yeah. That's how people think it is in the US, but not reality.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
Much of the European based prison systems (including Australia's) gets its treatment standards from traditions going back to how noble must be treated, even once convicted of a crime. As nobility was resolved, the trend became that prisons rise to that standard, even for commoners.
In the United States, instead of the minimum being raised by the existence of nobility, it was lowered by the long existence of slavery, setting the minimum of dignity ever lower.
Of course, your whole continent is a giant prison colony, so how do you know the prisoners?
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Many penitentiaries are over filled and one of the lowest costs they want to spend on is inmate food consumption. That's why it's about $4 a day for 3 meals for the average penitentiary. What kind of food are they going to get for $4 dollars a day?Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
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Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
Much of the European based prison systems (including Australia's) gets its treatment standards from traditions going back to how noble must be treated, even once convicted of a crime. As nobility was resolved, the trend became that prisons rise to that standard, even for commoners.
In the United States, instead of the minimum being raised by the existence of nobility, it was lowered by the long existence of slavery, setting the minimum of dignity ever lower.
Of course, your whole continent is a giant prison colony, so how do you know the prisoners?
Ahhhaaa We're all crims here
But I know this as a husband and wife friends of ours work in the women's prison. They often have their meals there too.
Many penitentiaries are over filled and one of the lowest costs they want to spend on is inmate food consumption. That's why it's about $4 a day for 3 meals for the average penitentiary. What kind of food are they going to get for $4 dollars a day?Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
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I imagine our massive population difference would enter into the equation too.. You guys probably have more people in prison than we have people in the whole of Australia. Our population is 24 million0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
Much of the European based prison systems (including Australia's) gets its treatment standards from traditions going back to how noble must be treated, even once convicted of a crime. As nobility was resolved, the trend became that prisons rise to that standard, even for commoners.
In the United States, instead of the minimum being raised by the existence of nobility, it was lowered by the long existence of slavery, setting the minimum of dignity ever lower.
Of course, your whole continent is a giant prison colony, so how do you know the prisoners?
Ahhhaaa We're all crims here
But I know this as a husband and wife friends of ours work in the women's prison. They often have their meals there too.
Many penitentiaries are over filled and one of the lowest costs they want to spend on is inmate food consumption. That's why it's about $4 a day for 3 meals for the average penitentiary. What kind of food are they going to get for $4 dollars a day?Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
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I imagine our massive population difference would enter into the equation too.. You guys probably have more people in prison than we have people in the whole of Australia. Our population is 24 million
About 2.2 million are in prisons according to wikipedia.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
Much of the European based prison systems (including Australia's) gets its treatment standards from traditions going back to how noble must be treated, even once convicted of a crime. As nobility was resolved, the trend became that prisons rise to that standard, even for commoners.
In the United States, instead of the minimum being raised by the existence of nobility, it was lowered by the long existence of slavery, setting the minimum of dignity ever lower.
Of course, your whole continent is a giant prison colony, so how do you know the prisoners?
Ahhhaaa We're all crims here
But I know this as a husband and wife friends of ours work in the women's prison. They often have their meals there too.
Many penitentiaries are over filled and one of the lowest costs they want to spend on is inmate food consumption. That's why it's about $4 a day for 3 meals for the average penitentiary. What kind of food are they going to get for $4 dollars a day?Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
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I imagine our massive population difference would enter into the equation too.. You guys probably have more people in prison than we have people in the whole of Australia. Our population is 24 million
About 2.2 million are in prisons according to wikipedia.
Try all you want. None of you guys are going to beat US incarceration rates. That's right, #1, #1! We keep more people locked up than you guys... wait...0 -
When countries send food to other countries as a form of aid, what kind of food do they send? Lays Potato Chips and Oeros? Or foods like rice?0
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When countries send food to other countries as a form of aid, what kind of food do they send? Lays Potato Chips and Oeros? Or foods like rice?
http://www.pepsico.com/Purpose/Global-Citizenship/Disaster-Relief-and-Humanitarian-Support
(FritoLays is owned by Pepsico).
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Yep. And it's big BUSINESS for the states. California CO's make big bank.stevencloser wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
Much of the European based prison systems (including Australia's) gets its treatment standards from traditions going back to how noble must be treated, even once convicted of a crime. As nobility was resolved, the trend became that prisons rise to that standard, even for commoners.
In the United States, instead of the minimum being raised by the existence of nobility, it was lowered by the long existence of slavery, setting the minimum of dignity ever lower.
Of course, your whole continent is a giant prison colony, so how do you know the prisoners?
Ahhhaaa We're all crims here
But I know this as a husband and wife friends of ours work in the women's prison. They often have their meals there too.
Many penitentiaries are over filled and one of the lowest costs they want to spend on is inmate food consumption. That's why it's about $4 a day for 3 meals for the average penitentiary. What kind of food are they going to get for $4 dollars a day?Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
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I imagine our massive population difference would enter into the equation too.. You guys probably have more people in prison than we have people in the whole of Australia. Our population is 24 million
About 2.2 million are in prisons according to wikipedia.
Try all you want. None of you guys are going to beat US incarceration rates. That's right, #1, #1! We keep more people locked up than you guys... wait...
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I just really don't see where this disjoint thinking is going. We don't live in countries with complete corporatism down to humanitarian aid level, therefore easy processed foods are bad? Walk me through the thought train here because I'd really like to understand the leap here:When countries send food to other countries as a form of aid, what kind of food do they send? Lays Potato Chips and Oeros? Or foods like rice?
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