Sugar-free drinks: the good, the bad and the 'we should be aware'!
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Believe what you want or don't want. My experience with artificial sweetener is not good. Why do I get headaches when taking it in? Why does my friend's lupus symptoms disappear after stopping diet drinks? Why does my mother continue to overeat, even when she's drinking and eating diet foods? I don't need an article or study to tell me to stay away. The choice is yours.
I don't think anyone has argued that individual bodies can't have individual negative reactions. Just that it's inappropriate to say "these people I know have negative reactions and we seem to be able to trace it to the sweeteners, therefore no one else should have them." Plenty of people have particular sensitivities or reactions to kinds of foods, even outside of allergies. Doesn't make them across-the-board bad for you.
Many people on MFP STRONGLY argue against the notion that people can react differently to different foods, medicines, etc l. except in the case of severe allergies.
Just as an experiment, post that some food is problematic for you and leads to extreme cravings and see what response you get. Even if you suggest it doesn't necessarily apply to others, you will get little support here.
Except for the 3 people all responding to acknowledge that her experience with aspartame is legitimate and confirms that it isn't for her. Back up your claim, because this thread certainly isn't backing it up for you - it's making the opposite point. I also did a quick search for "sensitivity" and tried to find comments that aren't referring to a medical diagnosis, but self-diagnosis based on observations, and found plenty that had no or few responses, none of them backing up your claim.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/35932609#Comment_35932609
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/35918689#Comment_35918689
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/35914204#Comment_35914204
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This has turned into a ping pong session. Your turn ans serve0
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My experience isn't everyone else's, I KNOW that. Since y'all jumped on me so quick i had to go back and read what I wrote. Would I like for everyone not to use them, absolutely. Am I so ignorant that they don't work on everyone the way they did on me, ABSOLUTELY NOT. I do know that my experience isn't meant for everyone, but who knows, it just may help someone. If not you, then ignore and carry on.
Well, I mean, you did say that sweeteners are so unsafe that they shouldn't even be sold in grocery stores...so...not sure where the indignation is coming from.
Nope, I said the FDA stopped taking in reports and assume they probably wouldn't be on the shelves.
So you implied that they were unsafe. Six of one, half dozen of another.0 -
6pkdreamer wrote: »This has turned into a ping pong session. Your turn ans serve
Yes, it's incredibly aggravating to read. Just a back and forth from either side, when in the end no one is going to change their mind on this anyway...
Which leads me to my favourite gif, which is so apt for these kinds of discussions
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Christine_72 wrote: »6pkdreamer wrote: »This has turned into a ping pong session. Your turn ans serve
Yes, it's incredibly aggravating to read. Just a back and forth from either side, when in the end no one is going to change their mind on this anyway...
Which leads me to my favourite gif, which is so apt for these kinds of discussions
I find it amusing the anti-aspartame folks still haven't prove it's bad.
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I've gota just geta drumin to drown out the noise from the other drummers. Even when I getting RSI0 -
Believe what you want or don't want. My experience with artificial sweetener is not good. Why do I get headaches when taking it in? Why does my friend's lupus symptoms disappear after stopping diet drinks? Why does my mother continue to overeat, even when she's drinking and eating diet foods? I don't need an article or study to tell me to stay away. The choice is yours.
I don't think anyone has argued that individual bodies can't have individual negative reactions. Just that it's inappropriate to say "these people I know have negative reactions and we seem to be able to trace it to the sweeteners, therefore no one else should have them." Plenty of people have particular sensitivities or reactions to kinds of foods, even outside of allergies. Doesn't make them across-the-board bad for you.
Many people on MFP STRONGLY argue against the notion that people can react differently to different foods, medicines, etc l. except in the case of severe allergies.
Just as an experiment, post that some food is problematic for you and leads to extreme cravings and see what response you get. Even if you suggest it doesn't necessarily apply to others, you will get little support here.
Except for the 3 people all responding to acknowledge that her experience with aspartame is legitimate and confirms that it isn't for her. Back up your claim, because this thread certainly isn't backing it up for you - it's making the opposite point. I also did a quick search for "sensitivity" and tried to find comments that aren't referring to a medical diagnosis, but self-diagnosis based on observations, and found plenty that had no or few responses, none of them backing up your claim.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/35932609#Comment_35932609
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/35918689#Comment_35918689
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/35914204#Comment_35914204
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Note that I said "many" people; I did not say ALL people or even a majority.
You said "I don't think ANYONE has argued....." I think this is an argument that is made on this site on a daily basis. I haven't counted the numbers on each side.
I once asked the direct question in the thread I started: "don't you think people react differently to certain foods." I did not get an overwhelming positive response.
I have no interest in attempting to win the argument. I'm sorry you felt you had to spend the time looking for counter-examples to my point. I would have been happy to concede them.0 -
JanetYellen wrote: »Study makes it sound like those people never drank water.
I wonder if people that never drink water, simply don't focus on exercising and other healthy eating habits.
I can't see someone drinking a diet coke with a kale salad.
More: There are a lot of people that do not drink any daily water
I simply meant the study could be skewed by using these people for the purpose of a good article.
The things you say on here...0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »6pkdreamer wrote: »This has turned into a ping pong session. Your turn ans serve
Yes, it's incredibly aggravating to read. Just a back and forth from either side, when in the end no one is going to change their mind on this anyway...
Which leads me to my favourite gif, which is so apt for these kinds of discussions
There are areas where reasonable minds may disagree such as politics, but this isn't one of them. There isn't a debate in this thread anymore than there is a "debate" about evolution. Unfortunatey, a strong anti-science movement is well underway and it's putting people at risk. The anti-diet soda crowd is largely harmless (does anyone really cares if someone doesn't drink diet soda? Although if the alternative is high-calorie sodas then it does do a bit of damage), but then there are the other areas that do put people at real risk, such as the anti-vaccine portion of the same movement. All of that said, quite a few of these minds won't change and it is largely futile to argue with adult who so clearly refused to learn during their education and is predisposed to listen to crackpots rather than their doctors.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »6pkdreamer wrote: »This has turned into a ping pong session. Your turn ans serve
Yes, it's incredibly aggravating to read. Just a back and forth from either side, when in the end no one is going to change their mind on this anyway...
Which leads me to my favourite gif, which is so apt for these kinds of discussions
There are areas where reasonable minds may disagree such as politics, but this isn't one of them. There isn't a debate in this thread anymore than there is a "debate" about evolution. Unfortunatey, a strong anti-science movement is well underway and it's putting people at risk. The anti-diet soda crowd is largely harmless (does anyone really cares if someone doesn't drink diet soda? Although if the alternative is high-calorie sodas then it does do a bit of damage), but then there are the other areas that do put people at real risk, such as the anti-vaccine portion of the same movement. All of that said, quite a few of these minds won't change and it is largely futile to argue with adult who so clearly refused to learn during their education and is predisposed to listen to crackpots rather than their doctors.
Arguments in public often are there not to persuade the other person, but to persuade the audience. If it's rebuked every time it comes up, someone idly searching/reading won't think it's just a legitimate a claim as any other. That's who the back-and-forth is really for.
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My experience isn't everyone else's, I KNOW that. Since y'all jumped on me so quick i had to go back and read what I wrote. Would I like for everyone not to use them, absolutely. Am I so ignorant that they don't work on everyone the way they did on me, ABSOLUTELY NOT. I do know that my experience isn't meant for everyone, but who knows, it just may help someone. If not you, then ignore and carry on.
If your n=1 experience is not typical, why would you "like for everyone not to use them"? Your conclusion does not follow.0 -
I wouldn't be surprised that if I asked my doctor whether people should be drinking multiple cans of diet soda a day, perhaps he'd say "no".sunnybeaches105 wrote: »
All of that said, quite a few of these minds won't change and it is largely futile to argue with adult who so clearly refused to learn during their education and is predisposed to listen to crackpots rather than their doctors.Christine_72 wrote: »6pkdreamer wrote: »This has turned into a ping pong session. Your turn ans serve
Yes, it's incredibly aggravating to read. Just a back and forth from either side, when in the end no one is going to change their mind on this anyway...
Which leads me to my favourite gif, which is so apt for these kinds of discussions
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I wouldn't be surprised that if I asked my doctor whether people should be drinking multiple cans of diet soda a day, perhaps he'd say "no".sunnybeaches105 wrote: »
All of that said, quite a few of these minds won't change and it is largely futile to argue with adult who so clearly refused to learn during their education and is predisposed to listen to crackpots rather than their doctors.Christine_72 wrote: »6pkdreamer wrote: »This has turned into a ping pong session. Your turn ans serve
Yes, it's incredibly aggravating to read. Just a back and forth from either side, when in the end no one is going to change their mind on this anyway...
Which leads me to my favourite gif, which is so apt for these kinds of discussions
Mine has no issues with me drinking diet soda, it's something we've actually discussed quite a bit.0 -
ReaderGirl3 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I wouldn't be surprised that if I asked my doctor whether people should be drinking multiple cans of diet soda a day, perhaps he'd say "no".sunnybeaches105 wrote: »
All of that said, quite a few of these minds won't change and it is largely futile to argue with adult who so clearly refused to learn during their education and is predisposed to listen to crackpots rather than their doctors.Christine_72 wrote: »6pkdreamer wrote: »This has turned into a ping pong session. Your turn ans serve
Yes, it's incredibly aggravating to read. Just a back and forth from either side, when in the end no one is going to change their mind on this anyway...
Which leads me to my favourite gif, which is so apt for these kinds of discussions
Mine has no issues with me drinking diet soda, it's something we've actually discussed quite a bit.
Same. None of mine have. Of course, I visit real doctors with degrees from good medical schools and who come recommended to me from other professionals who I trust. That said, I'm sure he'd look askance if I suggested I drink more than 2 or 3 a day.0 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »Wow. Just wow. There are plenty of studies that indicate exactly what OP is saying. Besides the weight gain factor, the health implications of artificial sweeteners is huge. Nutrasweet nearly killed me when I was pregnant. Literally. 7 days in a hospital on a morphine drip because of the stuff. And no, I'm not allergic to it. It just caused a lot of damage to my organs because I thought diet drinks were okay. I would suggest doing some more in depth research before you poo poo this, but then again, I don't expect it off of this website.
I drink diet sodas literally every day. I've been losing weight steadily since January, when I started the program. I have diabetes but my sugars are controlled now. I'm sorry you went through this but my organs are fine even with the diet soda. If you wish to stop drinking it, that's great but leave my diet sodas alone!JaneiR36 wrote:That would be like saying everyone should avoid peanuts because consumption of it could be fatal to some individuals.
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I use artificial sweeteners every single day. I have never been in the hospital as a result. Never had one single health complication. I think the fear mongering about artificial sweeteners is ridiculous to be honest.
I do too. I'm 46 and aside from being obese (not from artificial sweeteners), I'm healthy. My son, on the other hand, who doesn't consume artificial sweeteners, was diagnosed with Leukemia last year. Go figure.
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Am I just an freak, losing 140lb while drinking coke zero?2
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