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Fat Acceptance Movement
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I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.1 -
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rankinsect wrote: »
So is being sedentary. So is eating medium rare meat, or drinking more than two drinks in an evening. So are any of a million things.
Simply having one aspect of your diet or lifestyle that is unhealthy doesn't mean that you are unhealthy as a person. By that standard, nobody is healthy, as everyone has something they could do to be healthier than they are.
First of all, the fact that other things are also unhealthy does not change the fact that obesity is unhealthy.
Second of all, obesity is not an aspect of your diet or lifestyle, it is an objectively measurable condition.
I find all this deflection misdirection and equivocation odd. All in a desperate attempt to keep from acknowledging the plain fact that obesity is unhealthy. Why can't you simply acknowledge that obesity is unhealthy? Christ you're on a website for health and diet.22 -
ArmyofAdrian wrote: »
I don't "deem" obesity unhealthy any more than I "deem" cancer unhealthy. Each are empirically unhealthy. You can go ahead and pretend obesity isn't unhealthy, but that leaves me to wonder what you are doing on a website dedicated to physical fitness, since you see no difference between the obese and the physically fit in terms of health.
You're unsurprisingly rude for someone who is putting words in my mouth and making judgments about me based upon them. I'm pointing out your flaw in arguing that we're programmed to be disgusted by anything that is "unhealthy" is "unhealthy" is subjective. To people who are allergic to peanuts, they're unhealthy, but not everyone is disgusted by peanuts, which we all would be according to you.6 -
ArmyofAdrian wrote: »
First of all, the fact that other things are also unhealthy does not change the fact that obesity is unhealthy.
Second of all, obesity is not an aspect of your diet or lifestyle, it is an objectively measurable condition.
I find all this deflection misdirection and equivocation odd. All in a desperate attempt to keep from acknowledging the plain fact that obesity is unhealthy. Why can't you simply acknowledge that obesity is unhealthy? Christ you're on a website for health and diet.
Obesity is unhealthy. That doesn't mean each obese person is unhealthy. There's a huge difference between the two.17 -
You're unsurprisingly rude for someone who is putting words in my mouth and making judgments about me based upon them. I'm pointing out your flaw in arguing that we're programmed to be disgusted by anything that is "unhealthy" is "unhealthy" is subjective. To people who are allergic to peanuts, they're unhealthy, but not everyone is disgusted by peanuts, which we all would be according to you.
I did not say we are programmed to be disgusted by it ALl unhealthy things. You yourself saw that we are disgusted by rotten fruit to protect us from something that is unhealthy. It's funny how hard you are working not to admit that people have some basis for being disgusted by morbid obesity.3 -
If one's appestat is functional then one will not become obese without intent. Is one's appestat not working a sign of being unhealthily? If the answer is yes then by definition all obese people are unhealthy.
wisegeek.com/what-is-the-appestat.htm3 -
I think people underestimate the amount of people who are fat who have some form of mental illness, like anorexics. Just as you shouldn't tell an anorexic to eat a burger, telling someone who is fat to not eat a burger is not helpful.
Fat acceptance is not about "normalizing" a disease. It's about telling people they don't have to hate themselves because they're fat.
It's exactly about normalizing a disease. Change the world, so fat people can be happy, and feel normal. Make seats in airplanes accommodate fat people. Make buses accommodate fat people. Rebuild hospitals and offices with wider doorways to accommodate fat people. All to make it seem normal.
Ever see anyone cheer for an anorexic to be considered "accepted"? Nope. Because it's a disease, and we understand it's not normal, and needs treatment. The "pro-ana" movement is considered on par with "fat acceptance".27 -
rankinsect wrote: »
Obesity is unhealthy. That doesn't mean each obese person is unhealthy. There's a huge difference between the two.rankinsect wrote: »
Obesity is unhealthy. That doesn't mean each obese person is unhealthy. There's a huge difference between the two.rankinsect wrote: »
Obesity is unhealthy. That doesn't mean each obese person is unhealthy. There's a huge difference between the two.
Sure if you exclude the unhealthy condition of obesity, then the obese person can be considered to be in perfect health.5 -
snowflake930 wrote: »
Seriously? It may be logical for you, but it is not for me.
How do you know that they are obviously unhealthy?
The human race still has a long way to go.............
If someone is obese, they are obviously unhealthy. It's very easy to see.12 -
snowflake930 wrote: »
So you are telling me that every person that is overweight or underweight is unhealthy? And, your "literally millions of studies" have concluded this?
Yes, by definition, they are unhealthy. Hence why we have an "obesity epidemic". You don't have epidemics of healthy statuses.13 -
I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.12 -
coreyreichle wrote: »
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
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I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/live-prince-dead-updates-reaction-7805506
It was mentioned they are trying to get the records of his hospital visit 6 days before his death.0 -
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GaleHawkins wrote: »
mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/live-prince-dead-updates-reaction-7805506
It was mentioned they are trying to get the records of his hospital visit 6 days before his death.
It's Prince. My bet is on drugs. Another very unhealthy habit that has been romanticized and excused.7 -
snowflake930 wrote: »
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".2 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »
It's Prince. My bet is on drugs. Another very unhealthy habit that has been romanticized and excused.
mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/prince-treated-drug-overdose-days-7808095
Not sure if this story is confirmed as factual or not.0 -
coreyreichle wrote: »
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
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snowflake930 wrote: »
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
The point is obvious to anyone without a chip on their shoulder.5 -
ArmyofAdrian wrote: »
Obesity by definition is unhealthy.
No, it is not "by definition". Learn what "by definition" means before you use it next time.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »
mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/prince-treated-drug-overdose-days-7808095
Not sure if this story is confirmed as factual or not.
His drug use is pretty well known. I think the poster was using his death as an example of a thin person's early death and, if so, the logic in such an argument is badly flawed. But, it's also a bad example.0 -
No, it is not "by definition". Learn what "by definition" means before you use it next time.
Yes it is.3 -
snowflake930 wrote: »
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
No, not many 50 or 80 year olds are faster than me...
Let's put this in perspective:
* She's been "running" for years, and routinely places dead last in any race she enters. I've been running for just over a year, and place just under regional grading.
* She's been running for years, and is in the bottom of her age grade. Most people running for over a year start placing around 50% of their age grade.
* She's been running for years, yet her pace still averages out 13-16 min/miles. Most people running for years do far better.
None of this is pulled from the air. Check out her "runs" on Strava, and her race results on Athlinks. She's far from anything to be considered an "example". She's one step above Ragen Chastain, and that's just because she shows up and finishes races, whereas Chastain DNF's or DNS's.10 -
ArmyofAdrian wrote: »
The point is obvious to anyone without a chip on their shoulder.
I guess I am pretty dense (along with the chip on my shoulder) so clue me in, because I don't see the point.
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coreyreichle wrote: »
No, not many 50 or 80 year olds are faster than me...
Let's put this in perspective:
* She's been "running" for years, and routinely places dead last in any race she enters. I've been running for just over a year, and place just under regional grading.
* She's been running for years, and is in the bottom of her age grade. Most people running for over a year start placing around 50% of their age grade.
* She's been running for years, yet her pace still averages out 13-16 min/miles. Most people running for years do far better.
None of this is pulled from the air. Check out her "runs" on Strava, and her race results on Athlinks. She's far from anything to be considered an "example". She's one step above Ragen Chastain, and that's just because she shows up and finishes races, whereas Chastain DNF's or DNS's.
But you're supposed to be "inspired" . . .5 -
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snowflake930 wrote: »
I guess I am pretty dense (along with the chip on my shoulder) so clue me in, because I don't see the point.
Why would you use a person as an example to look up to who is mediocre, at best, and subpar at worst?6
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