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snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
The point is obvious to anyone without a chip on their shoulder.5 -
ArmyofAdrian wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »ubermofish wrote: »Obese people cannot be healthy. But people shouldn't be shamed or bullied for it.
Why not? Particularly at the lower levels of obesity (class I obesity) there isn't a very significant impact on health. Being normal weight but sedentary shortens your life expectancy by more than being class I obese but moderately active. An active, nonsmoking class I obese person can easily be well above the population average in terms of health.
What is true is that all other factors being equal, an obese person would be healthier if they reduced their weight. That doesn't mean obese people can't be healthy.
Obesity by definition is unhealthy.
No, it is not "by definition". Learn what "by definition" means before you use it next time.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/live-prince-dead-updates-reaction-7805506
It was mentioned they are trying to get the records of his hospital visit 6 days before his death.
It's Prince. My bet is on drugs. Another very unhealthy habit that has been romanticized and excused.
mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/prince-treated-drug-overdose-days-7808095
Not sure if this story is confirmed as factual or not.
His drug use is pretty well known. I think the poster was using his death as an example of a thin person's early death and, if so, the logic in such an argument is badly flawed. But, it's also a bad example.0 -
ArmyofAdrian wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »ubermofish wrote: »Obese people cannot be healthy. But people shouldn't be shamed or bullied for it.
Why not? Particularly at the lower levels of obesity (class I obesity) there isn't a very significant impact on health. Being normal weight but sedentary shortens your life expectancy by more than being class I obese but moderately active. An active, nonsmoking class I obese person can easily be well above the population average in terms of health.
What is true is that all other factors being equal, an obese person would be healthier if they reduced their weight. That doesn't mean obese people can't be healthy.
Obesity by definition is unhealthy.
No, it is not "by definition". Learn what "by definition" means before you use it next time.
Yes it is.3 -
snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
No, not many 50 or 80 year olds are faster than me...
Let's put this in perspective:
* She's been "running" for years, and routinely places dead last in any race she enters. I've been running for just over a year, and place just under regional grading.
* She's been running for years, and is in the bottom of her age grade. Most people running for over a year start placing around 50% of their age grade.
* She's been running for years, yet her pace still averages out 13-16 min/miles. Most people running for years do far better.
None of this is pulled from the air. Check out her "runs" on Strava, and her race results on Athlinks. She's far from anything to be considered an "example". She's one step above Ragen Chastain, and that's just because she shows up and finishes races, whereas Chastain DNF's or DNS's.10 -
ArmyofAdrian wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
The point is obvious to anyone without a chip on their shoulder.
I guess I am pretty dense (along with the chip on my shoulder) so clue me in, because I don't see the point.
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coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
No, not many 50 or 80 year olds are faster than me...
Let's put this in perspective:
* She's been "running" for years, and routinely places dead last in any race she enters. I've been running for just over a year, and place just under regional grading.
* She's been running for years, and is in the bottom of her age grade. Most people running for over a year start placing around 50% of their age grade.
* She's been running for years, yet her pace still averages out 13-16 min/miles. Most people running for years do far better.
None of this is pulled from the air. Check out her "runs" on Strava, and her race results on Athlinks. She's far from anything to be considered an "example". She's one step above Ragen Chastain, and that's just because she shows up and finishes races, whereas Chastain DNF's or DNS's.
But you're supposed to be "inspired" . . .5 -
snowflake930 wrote: »ArmyofAdrian wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
The point is obvious to anyone without a chip on their shoulder.
I guess I am pretty dense (along with the chip on my shoulder) so clue me in, because I don't see the point.
Why would you use a person as an example to look up to who is mediocre, at best, and subpar at worst?6 -
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coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
No, not many 50 or 80 year olds are faster than me...
Let's put this in perspective:
* She's been "running" for years, and routinely places dead last in any race she enters. I've been running for just over a year, and place just under regional grading.
* She's been running for years, and is in the bottom of her age grade. Most people running for over a year start placing around 50% of their age grade.
* She's been running for years, yet her pace still averages out 13-16 min/miles. Most people running for years do far better.
None of this is pulled from the air. Check out her "runs" on Strava, and her race results on Athlinks. She's far from anything to be considered an "example". She's one step above Ragen Chastain, and that's just because she shows up and finishes races, whereas Chastain DNF's or DNS's.
So? I still don't get your point.
And there are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
The point is that she is doing it, and finishing, and that is awesome for everyone that does.
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snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
No, not many 50 or 80 year olds are faster than me...
Let's put this in perspective:
* She's been "running" for years, and routinely places dead last in any race she enters. I've been running for just over a year, and place just under regional grading.
* She's been running for years, and is in the bottom of her age grade. Most people running for over a year start placing around 50% of their age grade.
* She's been running for years, yet her pace still averages out 13-16 min/miles. Most people running for years do far better.
None of this is pulled from the air. Check out her "runs" on Strava, and her race results on Athlinks. She's far from anything to be considered an "example". She's one step above Ragen Chastain, and that's just because she shows up and finishes races, whereas Chastain DNF's or DNS's.
So? I still don't get your point.
And there are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
The point is that she is doing it, and finishing, and that is awesome for everyone that does.
Ok. She's an idol to everyone, and we should all just shoot for mediocrity. Got ya.13 -
I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
Fat Girl Running is no 400 pound obese couch potato for sure.
While we can all agree being obese is not a health goal or shows optimal health this lady could be a roll model for millions out there that can not do a 1K walk.5 -
coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »ArmyofAdrian wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »snowflake930 wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I take the stance that everyone benefits from healthier choices. I won't assume that an overweight person has failed in this department. Here is an example of a positive model:
http://fatgirlrunning-fatrunner.blogspot.ca/?m=1
Heck, we just lost Prince at fifty-seven. We won't know for a few weeks what felled him but my bet is heart attack.
She's not a particularly good example. She's 40 years old, and slower on her ultras than 50 and 80 year olds. She runs about 1/4 of the miles I do per week. Her average pace is my walking pace, on forest terrain, with a 40lb load.
She claims to run, but her pace says she walks.
What is your point, you can beat a 40 year old fat lady that is unhealthy by your definition?
Apparently, a 50 or 80 year old can...
If an 80 year old is faster than you, and you're 40, I do not think you can claim the mantle of "Example of Health".
Again, what is your point. There are 50 and 80 year olds that can beat you too.
The point is obvious to anyone without a chip on their shoulder.
I guess I am pretty dense (along with the chip on my shoulder) so clue me in, because I don't see the point.
Why would you use a person as an example to look up to who is mediocre, at best, and subpar at worst?
Because she is doing it, that's why. Against all odds and in spite comments like yours that are uncalled for at best, and arrogant at worst.
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coreyreichle wrote: »
Different perspectives. The act of doing is what I focus on. Many might have quit, but she found something she enjoys doing and the fact that she comes in last doesn't stop her from going out the door and doing. I find inspiration in that.
I guess. I idolize people who work to improve themselves, and not just people who over years, just "aim to finish"... I'm glad she enjoys doing what she does, my point is she's not a particularly good example to use as someone to aim for. She's mediocre at best, and in reality, she's a sub-par performer for her age, consistently placing nearly dead last (Even by age group) in every event she's been in.7 -
ArmyofAdrian wrote: »ArmyofAdrian wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »ubermofish wrote: »Obese people cannot be healthy. But people shouldn't be shamed or bullied for it.
Why not? Particularly at the lower levels of obesity (class I obesity) there isn't a very significant impact on health. Being normal weight but sedentary shortens your life expectancy by more than being class I obese but moderately active. An active, nonsmoking class I obese person can easily be well above the population average in terms of health.
What is true is that all other factors being equal, an obese person would be healthier if they reduced their weight. That doesn't mean obese people can't be healthy.
Obesity by definition is unhealthy.
No, it is not "by definition". Learn what "by definition" means before you use it next time.
Yes it is.
You clearly have no idea what "by definition" means, Grow up, read a book or two, and then come back.-3 -
coreyreichle wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »
Different perspectives. The act of doing is what I focus on. Many might have quit, but she found something she enjoys doing and the fact that she comes in last doesn't stop her from going out the door and doing. I find inspiration in that.
I guess. I idolize people who work to improve themselves, and not just people who over years, just "aim to finish"... I'm glad she enjoys doing what she does, my point is she's not a particularly good example to use as someone to aim for. She's mediocre at best, and in reality, she's a sub-par performer for her age, consistently placing nearly dead last (Even by age group) in every event she's been in.
I think she's a great example. I used to be panicked with fear of finishing a race last or maybe no one in my running group will be in my pace, so I shouldn't go. But she is an inspiration that being active isn't about what place you finish, but that you finish. Anyways, I am getting off this endless wheel of a conversation.
Yes, what we should all aim for is finishing dead last, every time, for years. Never aiming to better ourselves.
Amazingly enough? Should she lose 50 lbs? She'd easily shave 2 mins off her per mile pace.
Sure, your placement in a race isn't the end all, be all of running. Beating yourself, however, should be. Otherwise, you're just tooling around. Nothing wrong with that, but hardly something to be lauded.11
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