1200 calories? Macros?
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hassankarimi82 wrote: »Sassie_Lassie wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »Calories don't count. The constitution of the food does! You could eat salad and veg all day everyday and not hit that calorie target. Just eat good food sources. Keep protein high with some good quality fats. If you want to lose body fat, reduce your carbohydrate intake. Track carbs, not calories!
So much bad information here..........
OP - calories count. Always. @SezxyStef is correct.
So if calories count, then why am I not 15 stone like fitness pal says I should be after a year of eating quality food in a surplus. It's sad that people track calories. There is a great difference in the calories on a plate full of vegetables than a plate with cake. Calories do not count. Quality food counts.
Buy a food scale.
Haha! I didn't realise how volatile the community is. If we're being petty and childish, how about taking advice from people who look AWESOME and actually know what they're talking about. I've got a scale, but what the hell has that got to do with anything?! There's a lot of people here creating bad, unhealthy habits. Good quality food should not be tracked, weighed, whatever. A lifestyle change is key with consistency over time. I think everyone can distinguish good choices from bad.
Okay so if I eat 3000 calories of good quality food I will be fine and won't gain even though my maintenance is 2400....is that what you are saying?
That's pretty much what he's saying. Good quality food has magical weight loss properties.
What I'm saying is, simply by making better choices, you will be successful in your goals, regardless of calories. Whoever said they'd get fat eating vegetables is crazy!! This is obsessive to think so, and is not setting a good example.
Thinking you will meet your weight loss goals, regardless of how many calories you eat, is completely wrong. You shouldn't be telling people this.2 -
Who does this? Extreme examples prove nothing...alyssa_rest wrote: »You could stay under your calorie goal eating cake all day and lose weight, but it's an unhealthy way to look at weight loss.
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hassankarimi82 wrote: »Sassie_Lassie wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »Calories don't count. The constitution of the food does! You could eat salad and veg all day everyday and not hit that calorie target. Just eat good food sources. Keep protein high with some good quality fats. If you want to lose body fat, reduce your carbohydrate intake. Track carbs, not calories!
So much bad information here..........
OP - calories count. Always. @SezxyStef is correct.
So if calories count, then why am I not 15 stone like fitness pal says I should be after a year of eating quality food in a surplus. It's sad that people track calories. There is a great difference in the calories on a plate full of vegetables than a plate with cake. Calories do not count. Quality food counts.
Buy a food scale.
Haha! I didn't realise how volatile the community is. If we're being petty and childish, how about taking advice from people who look AWESOME and actually know what they're talking about. I've got a scale, but what the hell has that got to do with anything?! There's a lot of people here creating bad, unhealthy habits. Good quality food should not be tracked, weighed, whatever. A lifestyle change is key with consistency over time. I think everyone can distinguish good choices from bad.
Okay so if I eat 3000 calories of good quality food I will be fine and won't gain even though my maintenance is 2400....is that what you are saying?
That's pretty much what he's saying. Good quality food has magical weight loss properties.
What I'm saying is, simply by making better choices, you will be successful in your goals, regardless of calories. Whoever said they'd get fat eating vegetables is crazy!! This is obsessive to think so, and is not setting a good example.
only if those better choices are in portion size not the types of food.
When I eat carrots they are carmelized, when I have corn it's with butter, fiddleheads hell yah.
If you are concerned with health, nutrition and body comp yes that matters to a point but not to the exclusion of other foods.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »Calories don't count. The constitution of the food does! You could eat salad and veg all day everyday and not hit that calorie target. Just eat good food sources. Keep protein high with some good quality fats. If you want to lose body fat, reduce your carbohydrate intake. Track carbs, not calories!
Calories do count... but I have a question.
Are you talking about the "If it fits your macros" way of eating? Assuming 1) you're in a macro deficit and 2) you're counting protein, fat, and carbs and meeting but not exceeding your daily allotment, when you calculate the calories consumed based on these variables, you would still be in a deficit calorically. Many people do use this method and have success since it helps to ensure satiety.
But in the end... the calories still count, whether you are actually counting them or not.
I hate IIFYM. That is the worst approach a person can take to dieting. I am all for eating food, and having that variety. But People abuse this more then they should, and then blame others for their short comings. Hey, I love cake, but I know I can't eat it every day, or even once a week. Be mindful of what your consuming.
Then you clearly do not understand IIFYM...
Give me a break! I do understand it. I have been around long enough to see people go, oh I can eat this cookie, or this donut because it fits into my calories, and fat and carbs for the day. Hell I even used it for a period of time. If you give people an inch they will take a mile, and I'm not saying that everyone abusing it, so don't think that I am saying that. What I am saying is, I don't care for it because people use it as a poor excuse to cheat on their diets. If people focused on eating a balanced diet, instead of trying to squeeze food into they shouldn't been eating in the first place they would have better results in the long run. If someone planned every Friday they were going to eat a donut and built that into their plan, good for them. But IIFYM comes from people, adding food throughout the day to meet whatever their goals are, not taking time to plan their meals out out in advance.
If my calorie and nutritional needs are being met, how is it "cheating" to eat a cookie? If I'm meeting my needs, then my diet must already be balanced, right?
I do IIFYM and I pre-log my meals. IIFYM isn't about just adding food throughout the day. You need to consider the context of the entire day to know if something *does* fit your macros or not.
I know you say you understand it, but your comments make it seem like you really don't.
Just because your "meeting your needs" doesn't mean your diet is balanced. I'm not going to pick a fight. I'm not here to argue over stupid things like IFFYM. I have a view point. You have a point. You do you, I do whats good for me. It'll work out in the end. I am curious though, when you say meeting your needs, how? Are you hitting our macros? Are you using IFFYM to do so?
If one is meeting all one's nutritional needs, what is out of balance? I'm not trying to sharpshoot you here, I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.
When I say I'm meeting my needs, I mean that I'm hitting my macro- and micronutrient goals (I track additional vitamins/minerals that MFP doesn't track on another website, as well as ensure that my protein needs are being met through by the full range of amino acids).
If meeting macro- and micronutrient goals while maintaining one's weight in a healthy range isn't a balanced diet, what do you consider to be balanced?
Well, I wasn't necessarily directing that statement towards you about meeting your needs. I was being broad, and I didn't explain what I meant. You can fill your macros, with food that isn't the most healthy for you to hit your macro goal, and I am guilty of it. I've eaten out and had burgers and fries as I'm sure most of us have. Another example, eating a regular potato versus maybe a sweet potato? What I'm saying, in balanced is eating more meats, veggies, fruits, carbs, nuts, oils. Foods cooked at home versus cooked in a restaurant. I think balance should be expanded into variety of foods. Ensuring that your not eating the same things each day.
If a potato helps one meet one's nutritional needs, why is it better to choose a sweet potato?0 -
alyssa_rest wrote: »I think what @hassankarimi82 is TRYING to say (albeit lost in all these posts) is that the content of your calories matters as well. Your body craves and needs certain nutrients. You could stay under your calorie goal eating cake all day and lose weight, but it's an unhealthy way to look at weight loss. It does matter what you put into your body. So I see where he's coming from but also what everyone else is saying.
@alyssa_rest - go back and re-read what he has been posting. He is definitely NOT saying that. He consistently says that "calories don't count".1 -
I have....a friend. Why is he not obese when eating 2000 calories over maintenance?! According to MFP he should be 15 stone?! Really clean diet. High protein, high fat, low carb. Last year he weighed the same but this year dropped 5% body fat. How's that explained?! He's eating more, but making better choices. No further deficits created, such as implementing cardio.0
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alyssa_rest wrote: »I think what @hassankarimi82 is TRYING to say (albeit lost in all these posts) is that the content of your calories matters as well. Your body craves and needs certain nutrients. You could stay under your calorie goal eating cake all day and lose weight, but it's an unhealthy way to look at weight loss. It does matter what you put into your body. So I see where he's coming from but also what everyone else is saying.
Back to OP's question, I think looking at macros can be a great tool, but starting out, I would start just tracking your calories, getting an understanding of portion control, and letting yourself adjust to that. Try to eat cleaner and exercise and the weight will start working its way off. However, if you really want to count macros, it's a great way to ensure that you're eating a well-rounded diet. I count them and it seems to be working for me! It's not for everyone though. Good luck!
but this isn't about health, nutrition or body comp...it's about weight loss...
clean eating is not required even to be healthy and neither is exercise...
Macro counting is not required for weight loss...period.1 -
Sassie_Lassie wrote: »alyssa_rest wrote: »I think what @hassankarimi82 is TRYING to say (albeit lost in all these posts) is that the content of your calories matters as well. Your body craves and needs certain nutrients. You could stay under your calorie goal eating cake all day and lose weight, but it's an unhealthy way to look at weight loss. It does matter what you put into your body. So I see where he's coming from but also what everyone else is saying.
@alyssa_rest - go back and re-read what he has been posting. He is definitely NOT saying that. He consistently says that "calories don't count".
It's what the calories are made up of.0 -
hassankarimi82 wrote: »I have....a friend. Why is he not obese when eating 2000 calories over maintenance?! According to MFP he should be 15 stone?! Really clean diet. High protein, high fat, low carb. Last year he weighed the same but this year dropped 5% body fat. How's that explained?! He's eating more, but making better choices. No further deficits created, such as implementing cardio.
Because he is not over maintenance. Either his maintenance is higher than originally thought, or he is eating less calories than he thinks, because he is not logging/tracking them.2 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »I have....a friend. Why is he not obese when eating 2000 calories over maintenance?! According to MFP he should be 15 stone?! Really clean diet. High protein, high fat, low carb. Last year he weighed the same but this year dropped 5% body fat. How's that explained?! He's eating more, but making better choices. No further deficits created, such as implementing cardio.
Because he is not over maintenance. Either his maintenance is higher than originally thought, or he is eating less calories than he thinks, because he is not logging/tracking them.
Nope. Logging & tracking everything.
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Caloriesquiksylver296 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »Calories don't count. The constitution of the food does! You could eat salad and veg all day everyday and not hit that calorie target. Just eat good food sources. Keep protein high with some good quality fats. If you want to lose body fat, reduce your carbohydrate intake. Track carbs, not calories!
Just a note, @Ashleyfxo. When you get conflicting information from different posters, look and see how many posts they have made. @hassankarimi82 has made 42 posts. @teabea has made 9,085 posts and @SezxyStef has made 12,323 posts. You probably want to listen to the people who have been around awhile (and know what they are talking about).
I have only posted maybe 2x, because I have a job and a life, but I do have something to say on this topic: I have found that it really is math--calories in and calories out. I also do not agree with the low carb craze. I am a vegan body builder (my profile pic is NOT me however) and have had a great year of getting into shape. There are a ton of opinions out there so I experimented with different ways of doing this. I counted macros for a while; I increased and decreased calories on a schedule; I intermittent fasted. I figured out what works for me. You will too. Trust yourself and educate yourself.
I always weigh and measure and log my food (though I am now using cronometer). My food journey is ongoing and I appreciate other's opinions. However, I trust myself and my experience above all others.5 -
hassankarimi82 wrote: »Calories don't count. The constitution of the food does! You could eat salad and veg all day everyday and not hit that calorie target. Just eat good food sources. Keep protein high with some good quality fats. If you want to lose body fat, reduce your carbohydrate intake. Track carbs, not calories!
Calories do count... but I have a question.
Are you talking about the "If it fits your macros" way of eating? Assuming 1) you're in a macro deficit and 2) you're counting protein, fat, and carbs and meeting but not exceeding your daily allotment, when you calculate the calories consumed based on these variables, you would still be in a deficit calorically. Many people do use this method and have success since it helps to ensure satiety.
But in the end... the calories still count, whether you are actually counting them or not.
I hate IIFYM. That is the worst approach a person can take to dieting. I am all for eating food, and having that variety. But People abuse this more then they should, and then blame others for their short comings. Hey, I love cake, but I know I can't eat it every day, or even once a week. Be mindful of what your consuming.
Then you clearly do not understand IIFYM...
Give me a break! I do understand it. I have been around long enough to see people go, oh I can eat this cookie, or this donut because it fits into my calories, and fat and carbs for the day. Hell I even used it for a period of time. If you give people an inch they will take a mile, and I'm not saying that everyone abusing it, so don't think that I am saying that. What I am saying is, I don't care for it because people use it as a poor excuse to cheat on their diets. If people focused on eating a balanced diet, instead of trying to squeeze food into they shouldn't been eating in the first place they would have better results in the long run. If someone planned every Friday they were going to eat a donut and built that into their plan, good for them. But IIFYM comes from people, adding food throughout the day to meet whatever their goals are, not taking time to plan their meals out out in advance.
I follow IIFYM and have for almost 3 years...for 2 of those years I hit my protein and fat religiously...ate a chocolate bar every night of life...and no not the "good" dark chocolate...that nasty cadbury milk chocolate and those dreadful mini eggs...
I plan my meals in advance, eat well but have my treats.
Lately it's nibs and pringles...
Mmmm, Cadbury mini eggs. I
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hassankarimi82 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »I have....a friend. Why is he not obese when eating 2000 calories over maintenance?! According to MFP he should be 15 stone?! Really clean diet. High protein, high fat, low carb. Last year he weighed the same but this year dropped 5% body fat. How's that explained?! He's eating more, but making better choices. No further deficits created, such as implementing cardio.
Because he is not over maintenance. Either his maintenance is higher than originally thought, or he is eating less calories than he thinks, because he is not logging/tracking them.
Nope. Logging & tracking everything.
By weighing on a food scale, in grams?1 -
Who does this? Extreme examples prove nothing...alyssa_rest wrote: »You could stay under your calorie goal eating cake all day and lose weight, but it's an unhealthy way to look at weight loss.
I wasn't saying anyone did this. I was just using an example of a type of food that one could enter, but serves little to no nutritional value. I agreed with everyone with calorie counting, I just also thinks it matters what the calories consist of. I would think your body would react better to 100 calories of grilled chicken vs 100 calories of cake. Not weight loss, just overall health.1 -
hassankarimi82 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »I have....a friend. Why is he not obese when eating 2000 calories over maintenance?! According to MFP he should be 15 stone?! Really clean diet. High protein, high fat, low carb. Last year he weighed the same but this year dropped 5% body fat. How's that explained?! He's eating more, but making better choices. No further deficits created, such as implementing cardio.
Because he is not over maintenance. Either his maintenance is higher than originally thought, or he is eating less calories than he thinks, because he is not logging/tracking them.
Nope. Logging & tracking everything.
Why is he logging and tracking everything if calories don't matter?4 -
Sassie_Lassie wrote: »alyssa_rest wrote: »I think what @hassankarimi82 is TRYING to say (albeit lost in all these posts) is that the content of your calories matters as well. Your body craves and needs certain nutrients. You could stay under your calorie goal eating cake all day and lose weight, but it's an unhealthy way to look at weight loss. It does matter what you put into your body. So I see where he's coming from but also what everyone else is saying.
@alyssa_rest - go back and re-read what he has been posting. He is definitely NOT saying that. He consistently says that "calories don't count".
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, haha! I try to be optimistic!
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Sassie_Lassie wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »I have....a friend. Why is he not obese when eating 2000 calories over maintenance?! According to MFP he should be 15 stone?! Really clean diet. High protein, high fat, low carb. Last year he weighed the same but this year dropped 5% body fat. How's that explained?! He's eating more, but making better choices. No further deficits created, such as implementing cardio.
Because he is not over maintenance. Either his maintenance is higher than originally thought, or he is eating less calories than he thinks, because he is not logging/tracking them.
Nope. Logging & tracking everything.
Why is he logging and tracking everything if calories don't matter?
That's the whole point!!!0 -
hassankarimi82 wrote: »Um, this is what we are all saying...
You could say - macro and calorie track and eat junk food and reach your goals, but making good choices wouldn't require you to be strict and calories count. Are you saying a surplus of lettuce should be logged and tracked?! Do you weigh out....peas? Crazy if you ask me.
Example -
CAKE, track it yes.
VEGETABLES, don't bother. Fill your boots!
Understand? It depends on what the foods consist of.
I'm a volume eater, and I love vegetables. Look at my lunch today (and my dinner will have even more vegetables). Imagine if I didn't count vegetables. I would go on thinking that I consumed half the calories I actually consumed today and allow myself a higher calorie dinner or snack. I have always eaten good quality very nutrient rich foods, yet I managed to reach 139 kg on a diet people wouldn't usually associate with a typical diet of an obese person. Calories matter, and counting them is just a few extra seconds of my time in exchange for peace of mind, control, and ability to eat whatever I want without fearing it would break my calorie bank because every single calorie is accounted for.
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alyssa_rest wrote: »I think what @hassankarimi82 is TRYING to say (albeit lost in all these posts) is that the content of your calories matters as well. Your body craves and needs certain nutrients. You could stay under your calorie goal eating cake all day and lose weight, but it's an unhealthy way to look at weight loss. It does matter what you put into your body. So I see where he's coming from but also what everyone else is saying.
Back to OP's question, I think looking at macros can be a great tool, but starting out, I would start just tracking your calories, getting an understanding of portion control, and letting yourself adjust to that. Try to eat cleaner and exercise and the weight will start working its way off. However, if you really want to count macros, it's a great way to ensure that you're eating a well-rounded diet. I count them and it seems to be working for me! It's not for everyone though. Good luck!
but this isn't about health, nutrition or body comp...it's about weight loss...
clean eating is not required even to be healthy and neither is exercise...
Macro counting is not required for weight loss...period.
Maybe I just look at the health of my body differently. I like to track food for weight (why I'm here) but also for content. I'm not saying I eat clean and count macros 100% of the time and I also know that not everyone likes to do it that way. Exactly why I said it's not for everyone. There is nothing wrong with only looking at the calorie deficit at all, I was just throwing in my two sense about macros since OP asked.1 -
hassankarimi82 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »hassankarimi82 wrote: »I have....a friend. Why is he not obese when eating 2000 calories over maintenance?! According to MFP he should be 15 stone?! Really clean diet. High protein, high fat, low carb. Last year he weighed the same but this year dropped 5% body fat. How's that explained?! He's eating more, but making better choices. No further deficits created, such as implementing cardio.
Because he is not over maintenance. Either his maintenance is higher than originally thought, or he is eating less calories than he thinks, because he is not logging/tracking them.
Nope. Logging & tracking everything.
You can shout "HEALTHY FOODS" ..."MACROS!" from the rooftops.
Unfortunately, its math you're arguing with.1
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