Zimmerman vs. Martin
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So, let me quote you on this, "Regardless, Zimmerman still had the right to walk and follow anyone..." Then, you state, "When Trayvon eluded Zimmerman he should have went home, instead he chose to confront and that is what got him killed." So, let me get this right...It is okay for Zimmerman to walk and follow behind anyone he chooses to at this ungodly hour, but Trayvon did not have the right to walk home from wherever he was coming from? LET ALONE you say that Trayvon did not have the right to confront this man as he followed him,( who was not a cop), and who therefore did not have the right to be following him to begin with... Because Trayvon was not doing anything suspicious except for the simple fact that he happened to be a black man, wearing a hoodie and walking the street at night-correct? So, according to you, this gave Zimmerman the right to "enforce" the law according to your statement and he had the right to deem this boy who he chose to follow as "suspicious"? And my follow up question to this is: Why are you justifying that what Zimmerman did was correct because you also have preconceived stereotypes about people who look suspicious to you as well, so because you would have done the same thing in the same situation makes it okay in your eyes, for what Zimmerman did to Trayvon correct? It's funny how the stereotypes people assume about others always makes an a*^ out of those who are making the assumptions. A prime example of this is when I exited my driveway to mail a package to a friend for Valentine's Day, and the police followed me for 10 minutes before they put on their flashers and called backup. Now, my question was why was I followed? Was it because I was a black woman who was driving an SUV with factory tinted windows in the backseat in a predominantly white suburb of Missouri, or was it because they really felt they had some dirt on me? Well, it was the first reason unfortunately, because there was no dirt on me besides the fact that they stated my taillight was out, yet this instigated a backup call and a response to follow me for 10 minutes under the suspicion that I was either on my way to committing suspicious behavior or the fact that because I am black I was going to constitute some sort of suspicious behavior and therefore, the police now had the right to target me as suspicious by following me for 10 minutes? Wow...great logic!
1) Following someone is not a crime. If it is, every person in a car on the road is guilty.
2) 'Confront' does not mean 'commit battery'. Martin was beating Zimmerman's head against a sidewalk.
As for your story, well...
1) The officer was probably running your plates while following you, which is why it took him/her time to then pull you over.
2) Maybe the was an APB for you particular make/model of vehicle in the area where you were.
3) Was your tail light really out? if so, there you go.
4) You are being paranoid and a tad hyper-sensitive.
Yeah, and you would know huh, never been DWB'd or racially profiled before have ya?0 -
zimmerman is a pathetic human being. he instigated this encounter and killed a young man because he was losing a fight. whatever happened to taking a beating like a man?
zimmerman will get off on this but hopefully as a result gun laws will tighten so wanna be cops like GZ cant get guns.
What happened to being legally able to defend yourself against someone beating your head into concrete which can easily kill you?
lol GZ wasnt close to being killed. so if i have a gun..walk up to you and slap you...then you punch me can i kill you because i think my life is in danger?
at least GZ even if he gets off will suffer the rest of his life from random people making his life miserable.
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Honestly, after Casey Anthony walked... I have lost all faith in the Florida justice system.
When OJ walked I lost all faith in the justice system.
I was just waiting for "OJ" to come out. OJ is not on trial here, we are dealing with the present.
Neither is Casey Anthony but that got brought up. It's relative because they were both big cases and both people walked when they shouldn't have.
I was actually the one that referenced Casey Anthony and not the person that responded to the OJ post.0 -
Well, if American justice system fails (like it usually does when dead black kids are involved) then hopefully someone will make sure justice is carried out anyway.
Wow.
Reading that is like seeing a bad train wreck ... "holy *kitten* that did not just happen!"0 -
zimmerman is a pathetic human being. he instigated this encounter and killed a young man because he was losing a fight. whatever happened to taking a beating like a man?
zimmerman will get off on this but hopefully as a result gun laws will tighten so wanna be cops like GZ cant get guns.
What happened to being legally able to defend yourself against someone beating your head into concrete which can easily kill you?
lol GZ wasnt close to being killed. so if i have a gun..walk up to you and slap you...then you punch me can i kill you because i think my life is in danger?
at least GZ even if he gets off will suffer the rest of his life from random people making his life miserable.
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lol GZ wasnt close to being killed. so if i have a gun..walk up to you and slap you...then you punch me can i kill you because i think my life is in danger?
Ok here's a test. Let someone get on top of you, grab your head and hit it against a sidewalk a few times and tell me if you don't have a fleeting thought of "hey, this could kill me."
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How is this still going? The mods gotta step in soon before I have half the website ignored, lol.
Why are you ignoring people for having opinions?
What is the ignore function for if not that?0 -
Why do you hope he is found guilty?
Is it because the news shows Martin as a 10 year old kid in all his pics? Martin was a thug, drug dealer, "gangster", etc..
Do I think Zimmerman is an idiot want to be cop? Yes. But he will never get changed with murder 2.
All of Zimmerman's story is lining up as well. He's going to walk and there will be a huge race war over nothing.
God I hate this world.
Its amazing that you were so close to Martin that you know exactly that he was a thug, drug dealer and "gangster". Were you one of his customers? If George Zimmerman have nothing to hide, let him take the stand and tell all the world what actually took place. Why do we need to have his evidence animated, ask yourself that question, if that was one of your relatives, would you be happy to have an animated account of what actually took place, whilst the killer sits a couple of feet away. The big elephant in the room is that if Zimmerman had followed instructions, Martin would have been alive today. The whole case is flawed from the start, Zimmerman knows what he did, and even if he walks, he have to live with his conscience. I hope he realize that life is a circle, something we as human beings fail to acknowledge.
The police videoed Zimmerman re-enacting the incident and answering the investigator's questions. This was a lengthy video.
The evidence supports Zimmerman's story.
Zimmerman was not ordered to "stand down" or "cease and desist". The dispatcher basically stated, "oh we dont need you to do that" or something to the effect. There is a difference between a suggestion and an order. Regardless, Zimmerman still had the right to walk and follow anyone.
When Travon eluded Zimmerman he should have went home, instead he chose to confront and that is what got him killed.
With crime as it is we need an active community, we need to get our neighbor's back. I have seen suspicious activities and have assisted the police very similar to what Zimmerman did, and I received praise. Go figure.
So, let me quote you on this, "Regardless, Zimmerman still had the right to walk and follow anyone..." Then, you state, "When Trayvon eluded Zimmerman he should have went home, instead he chose to confront and that is what got him killed." So, let me get this right...It is okay for Zimmerman to walk and follow behind anyone he chooses to at this ungodly hour, but Trayvon did not have the right to walk home from wherever he was coming from? LET ALONE you say that Trayvon did not have the right to confront this man as he followed him,( who was not a cop), and who therefore did not have the right to be following him to begin with... Because Trayvon was not doing anything suspicious except for the simple fact that he happened to be a black man, wearing a hoodie and walking the street at night-correct? So, according to you, this gave Zimmerman the right to "enforce" the law according to your statement and he had the right to deem this boy who he chose to follow as "suspicious"? And my follow up question to this is: Why are you justifying that what Zimmerman did was correct because you also have preconceived stereotypes about people who look suspicious to you as well, so because you would have done the same thing in the same situation makes it okay in your eyes, for what Zimmerman did to Trayvon correct? It's funny how the stereotypes people assume about others always makes an a*^ out of those who are making the assumptions. A prime example of this is when I exited my driveway to mail a package to a friend for Valentine's Day, and the police followed me for 10 minutes before they put on their flashers and called backup. Now, my question was why was I followed? Was it because I was a black woman who was driving an SUV with factory tinted windows in the backseat in a predominantly white suburb of Missouri, or was it because they really felt they had some dirt on me? Well, it was the first reason unfortunately, because there was no dirt on me besides the fact that they stated my taillight was out, yet this instigated a backup call and a response to follow me for 10 minutes under the suspicion that I was either on my way to committing suspicious behavior or the fact that because I am black I was going to constitute some sort of suspicious behavior and therefore, the police now had the right to target me as suspicious by following me for 10 minutes? Wow...great logic!
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I was too fired up to think about all that, I've been out of college on a break for a month now, I don't think you will grade me for all that will you?0 -
lol GZ wasnt close to being killed. so if i have a gun..walk up to you and slap you...then you punch me can i kill you because i think my life is in danger?
Ok here's a test. Let someone get on top of you, grab your head and hit it against a sidewalk a few times and tell me if you don't have a fleeting thought of "hey, this could kill me."
Go...
most random fights dont end up in murder...i couldnt bring myself to kill someone just because i was losing a fight...and its clear GZ wasn't hurt that bad.0 -
Well, if American justice system fails (like it usually does when dead black kids are involved) then hopefully someone will make sure justice is carried out anyway.
justice was carried out.0 -
Third, this was a 6', 17 year old young man. Martin was hardly a 'child'. He was the one who came at Zimmerman first. He was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, the police photos and medical documents prove that.
Fourth, sorry but it was self-defense.
Size isn't the issue. Age is. Seventeen is a child. How mature were you at that age? I am the mother of an 18-year-old college student. I know her friends. They are still children.
As for self-defense/stand your ground, considering that Zimmerman was following Trayvon, couldn't the prosecution make a case that TRAYVON was standing his ground? Zimmerman is responsible by his actions for what happened. Now someone is dead. Had he at the very least remained in his vehicle, this would not have happened.
No because you can't stand your ground against someone walking behind you. Someone walking isn't a threat to your life. Beating your head into the ground is. You should really read up on laws.
Tell that to the person being followed for no reason at all. Have you ever been followed on a dark night to the point you were afraid for your life or well-being? Have you ever felt the need to defend yourself from that threat? In defending yourself, if at some point you end up on top, beating your pursuers head into the ground, do you deserve to be killed? What would you expect to happen to the person who followed you (causing the entire confrontation) and killed you?
There was an incident here a few years ago where a man was walking home from work after midnight. He was followed for several blocks by another man. Eventually, the second man (who was armed) got close enough to the man walking home and attempted to rob him. A struggled ensued and the would-be-robber was eventually over-powered by the would-be-victim. The victim put the robber in a choke hold and held him there until police arrived. The robber was pronounced dead at the scene. The victim wasn't charged as it was deemed self-defense. If the situation were slightly different and the victim (even after having the upper hand at one point) ended up stabbed, bleeding out and dead wouldn't you expect the robber to be charged to the fullest extent of the law? Does the fact that he was getting beat up suddenly make him the victim?? Does the fact the Zimmerman was getting beat up at one point make him any less of a threat to the person he was following?
This whole tragedy could have been avoided if he had stayed in his car as instructed.0 -
Haters make my private parts twitch in a good way.
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Why would I care what you think? Someone like you doesn't even deserve to be alive.
Another ignorant user. Classy.One is dead and the other is a liar.
Holy crap! Anger management might be in order if calling someone ignorant is worthy of death.
The irony in that post is making my head swim.
Creeped out, yet oddly intrigued.0 -
QFTlol GZ wasnt close to being killed. so if i have a gun..walk up to you and slap you...then you punch me can i kill you because i think my life is in danger?
Ok here's a test. Let someone get on top of you, grab your head and hit it against a sidewalk a few times and tell me if you don't have a fleeting thought of "hey, this could kill me."
Go...0 -
How is this still going? The mods gotta step in soon before I have half the website ignored, lol.
or you could just step out0 -
I think I'm more worried about the potential repercussions. 'Stand your grown' is a very flippy-floppy kind of law that applies to some but not others. There are too many inconsistencies.
'In Winter Springs, Owen Eugene Whitlock came home on Christmas Eve 2009 to find his daughter's boyfriend, Jose Ramirez, angrily stalking up his driveway, flexing his muscles and swinging his fists. Whitlock stood his ground and fired a fatal shot. He was not charged.
In Clearwater, Terry Tyrone Davis shot and killed his cousin as he stalked up the walkway of Davis' home in 2010 with a group of friends. "There's no doubt he was going over there to kick his a--,'' Circuit Judge Philip J. Federico said, "but that does not allow you to kill a guy." Davis is now serving 25 years in prison. '
(Source: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/florida-stand-your-ground-law-yields-some-shocking-outcomes-depending-on/1233133)
No SYG is a well defined law that draws a distinct legal line. It removes the obligation of a potential victim to retreat first. Basically if there is a reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, the person can stand and meet the threat with deadly force.
Here in Texas, if you pull your weapon, a law has been broken, either by you or the person who provoked the action.0 -
So, let me quote you on this, "Regardless, Zimmerman still had the right to walk and follow anyone..." Then, you state, "When Trayvon eluded Zimmerman he should have went home, instead he chose to confront and that is what got him killed." So, let me get this right...It is okay for Zimmerman to walk and follow behind anyone he chooses to at this ungodly hour, but Trayvon did not have the right to walk home from wherever he was coming from? LET ALONE you say that Trayvon did not have the right to confront this man as he followed him,( who was not a cop), and who therefore did not have the right to be following him to begin with... Because Trayvon was not doing anything suspicious except for the simple fact that he happened to be a black man, wearing a hoodie and walking the street at night-correct? So, according to you, this gave Zimmerman the right to "enforce" the law according to your statement and he had the right to deem this boy who he chose to follow as "suspicious"? And my follow up question to this is: Why are you justifying that what Zimmerman did was correct because you also have preconceived stereotypes about people who look suspicious to you as well, so because you would have done the same thing in the same situation makes it okay in your eyes, for what Zimmerman did to Trayvon correct? It's funny how the stereotypes people assume about others always makes an a*^ out of those who are making the assumptions. A prime example of this is when I exited my driveway to mail a package to a friend for Valentine's Day, and the police followed me for 10 minutes before they put on their flashers and called backup. Now, my question was why was I followed? Was it because I was a black woman who was driving an SUV with factory tinted windows in the backseat in a predominantly white suburb of Missouri, or was it because they really felt they had some dirt on me? Well, it was the first reason unfortunately, because there was no dirt on me besides the fact that they stated my taillight was out, yet this instigated a backup call and a response to follow me for 10 minutes under the suspicion that I was either on my way to committing suspicious behavior or the fact that because I am black I was going to constitute some sort of suspicious behavior and therefore, the police now had the right to target me as suspicious by following me for 10 minutes? Wow...great logic!
1) Following someone is not a crime. If it is, every person in a car on the road is guilty.
2) 'Confront' does not mean 'commit battery'. Martin was beating Zimmerman's head against a sidewalk.
As for your story, well...
1) The officer was probably running your plates while following you, which is why it took him/her time to then pull you over.
2) Maybe the was an APB for you particular make/model of vehicle in the area where you were.
3) Was your tail light really out? if so, there you go.
4) You are being paranoid and a tad hyper-sensitive.
Yeah, and you would know huh, never been DWB'd or racially profiled before have ya?
I'm racially profiled as a racist cracker every day just because I'm white and live in the south... :happy:
I do like your "DWB'd" though. That is clever. Sorry but it made me chuckle a bit. Sad but funny.0 -
From my understanding, a young man was walking through a gated community, talking on the phone, while he made his way back to his place after buying snacks at a convenience store.
And some dude, under the guise of being part of a neighborhood watch, accosted him. AFTER the police told him not to.
Now, if some son of a b approached me, and I told him to back off, and he didn't and we got into a scuffle where I ended up getting shot?
Who is guilty? What, if someone approaches me in a confrontational way, I'm not supposed to defend myself?
I don't care if Trayvon is percieved as a child or a thug. He was minding his own business and Zimmerman instigated. Had Zimmerman done what the police TOLD him to do, Trayvon would have kept on walking and none of this would have happened.
This is my take on it. And it doesn't matter to me that Trayvon got in trouble at school or smoked pot. He is 17. Lots of kids behave this way and grow up to be 100% awesome contributing members of society.
Trayvon didn't get the chance to do that because a grown assed man approached him and started a fight. Unreal.
This sums it up for me, its just pure sadness, Trayvon is dead because Zimmerman took things into his own hands, vigilante, I hope justice is served
So it has nothing to do with Trayvon attacking him and beating his head into the ground. A bit biased maybe?0 -
I'm sure several people have echoed my thoughts so I'll just say:
I hope Zimmerman walks.
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& he will.
I'm just worried about what will happen to him...and the riots that are will be started when he is found not guilty.
Zimmerman's attorney stated two nights ago while interviewing that his client will never be safe. He also stated that he will never live a normal life. He will fall off the face of the earth just like Casey.
He won't be. And he can thank the media, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Obama for that.
It only took 7 pages to blame Obama?0 -
This is pathetic thread that should be locked. If it were about God, it would have been stopped 7 pages ago, but since it is about the murder of a black child and yes, 17 is a child. Anyone knows that, it doesn't take a degree to see that. If someone was stopping my son, he would probably not react with roses and flowers.
Get racially profiled because you drive a nice vehicle, live in a decent neighborhood, then come talk to me.
George Zimmerman was wrong, he had no business playing, judge, jury and executioner. Now you can all respond with your nasty snide remarks, I expect it. I see a lot of bigotry and racism here and MFP should be ashamed for letting it continue.0 -
From my understanding, a young man was walking through a gated community, talking on the phone, while he made his way back to his place after buying snacks at a convenience store.
And some dude, under the guise of being part of a neighborhood watch, accosted him. AFTER the police told him not to.
Now, if some son of a b approached me, and I told him to back off, and he didn't and we got into a scuffle where I ended up getting shot?
Who is guilty? What, if someone approaches me in a confrontational way, I'm not supposed to defend myself?
I don't care if Trayvon is percieved as a child or a thug. He was minding his own business and Zimmerman instigated. Had Zimmerman done what the police TOLD him to do, Trayvon would have kept on walking and none of this would have happened.
This is my take on it. And it doesn't matter to me that Trayvon got in trouble at school or smoked pot. He is 17. Lots of kids behave this way and grow up to be 100% awesome contributing members of society.
Trayvon didn't get the chance to do that because a grown assed man approached him and started a fight. Unreal.
This sums it up for me, its just pure sadness, Trayvon is dead because Zimmerman took things into his own hands, vigilante, I hope justice is served
So it has nothing to do with Trayvon attacking him and beating his head into the ground. A bit biased maybe?
Martin wouldn't have attacked if Zimmerman hadn't pursued.0
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