Have you ever tried clean eating?
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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »I have cream of tartar in the house, and really, what else is it useful for?
Absolutely intrigued by the vinegar pie, but utterly baffled by the revelation that mock apple pie predates Ritz crackers. The only explanation for that recipe that ever came close to making an ounce of sense was that it was invented to sell Ritz crackers. Now nothing about it makes any sense at all.
Have to say I'm not comfortable with people being called out about the contents of their diary. I understand the motivation, but it's not what open diaries are for and undermines the community support aspect, imo. I don't have an open diary and I am very reluctant to accept people as friends because I'm not comfortable with the idea that someone I don't know could criticise or shame what I chose to have for breakfast - and that's exactly what I see happening here.
I don't see any shaming. No one cares what people eat but if you're going to make claims about how you eat and your open diary completely belies that claim, i think it would be expected that it would be pointed out.8 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »I have cream of tartar in the house, and really, what else is it useful for?
Absolutely intrigued by the vinegar pie, but utterly baffled by the revelation that mock apple pie predates Ritz crackers. The only explanation for that recipe that ever came close to making an ounce of sense was that it was invented to sell Ritz crackers. Now nothing about it makes any sense at all.
Have to say I'm not comfortable with people being called out about the contents of their diary. I understand the motivation, but it's not what open diaries are for and undermines the community support aspect, imo. I don't have an open diary and I am very reluctant to accept people as friends because I'm not comfortable with the idea that someone I don't know could criticise or shame what I chose to have for breakfast - and that's exactly what I see happening here.
When someone says they "eat clean" with "no processed foods" and I find a daily serving of All Bran for several days in their diary, that person is putting up a false front to make themselves feel better (or superior to others). I accept a liberal and literal definition of "processed", but I'm confident no one is going to prove that All Bran cereal is not processed by any definition.
Yes, I know that's criticizing someone's food choices, but c'mon. A person claims to eat one way, do you really think no one is going to check to see if that person is blowing smoke?6 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »I have cream of tartar in the house, and really, what else is it useful for?
Absolutely intrigued by the vinegar pie, but utterly baffled by the revelation that mock apple pie predates Ritz crackers. The only explanation for that recipe that ever came close to making an ounce of sense was that it was invented to sell Ritz crackers. Now nothing about it makes any sense at all.
Have to say I'm not comfortable with people being called out about the contents of their diary. I understand the motivation, but it's not what open diaries are for and undermines the community support aspect, imo. I don't have an open diary and I am very reluctant to accept people as friends because I'm not comfortable with the idea that someone I don't know could criticise or shame what I chose to have for breakfast - and that's exactly what I see happening here.
to the bolded, snicker doodles is what cream of tartar is used for! Brown butter snicker doodles, even better!
To the bottom paragraph, I don't know that it is so much shaming of a food diary as it is pointing out the uselessness of a term like "clean eating" if people who claim they eat that way are eating processed foods like many of the rest of us.1 -
Cream of tartar is used in peanut brittle.0
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Alatariel75 wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »I have cream of tartar in the house, and really, what else is it useful for?
Absolutely intrigued by the vinegar pie, but utterly baffled by the revelation that mock apple pie predates Ritz crackers. The only explanation for that recipe that ever came close to making an ounce of sense was that it was invented to sell Ritz crackers. Now nothing about it makes any sense at all.
Have to say I'm not comfortable with people being called out about the contents of their diary. I understand the motivation, but it's not what open diaries are for and undermines the community support aspect, imo. I don't have an open diary and I am very reluctant to accept people as friends because I'm not comfortable with the idea that someone I don't know could criticise or shame what I chose to have for breakfast - and that's exactly what I see happening here.
I don't see any shaming. No one cares what people eat but if you're going to make claims about how you eat and your open diary completely belies that claim, i think it would be expected that it would be pointed out.
This.
I was one of the people who mentioned what was in diaries. I made it *very clear* I was not criticizing them for what they were eating. My whole point is they shouldn't feel shame for what they are eating even though it doesn't fit what most would consider "clean eating" or even their own definition of "clean eating".
I would never have looked at someone's diary if they hadn't made the claim. I *never* comment one someone's diary, not even people on my friend's list, unless they open it up for discussion, whether asking for advice on not losing weight, macros, or even volunteering the info on the contents of their diary.
I'm a fact checker. Make a claim, if I can verify it I will.2 -
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I'm still wanting to know if people have tried it(whatever their definition is)...not recipes for a pie I'm not gonna make hahahaha1
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Mandygring wrote: »I'm still wanting to know if people have tried it(whatever their definition is)...not recipes for a pie I'm not gonna make hahahaha
Tried it? You don't need to eat clean(whatever that means to you) to lose weight. That is the point.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I eat lots of fresh, one ingredient things. Cook from scratch as much as is practical . Whole grains as much as possible. But "clean" no. I enjoy an occasional diet soda, icecream when it fits into my calorie/saturated fat goals, chocolate, etc. Life should be lived, not endured. And, while I agree with the concept, I detest the term "clean eating ".
I'm always curious about statements like the bolded. They seem to be in opposition to each other, as I can't think of a single thing that I cook that only has one ingredient. Even roasted veggies, I add olive oil, salt, pepper and other seasonings. Most things that I cook have lots of ingredients, and though I don't consider myself a clean eater, I can't imagine a life without soups, stews, sauces, etc... Or how eliminating them based on the fact that they have multiple components makes me healthier...
What one ingredient things do you eat, other than maybe fruit?
Maybe I should have said "one ingredient ingredients ". Sounded too complicated
I always find this odd too, as when people ask for "clean eating" cookbooks (which if you mean just cooking from whole foods is basically every cookbook I have). When I cook from scratch, of course I typically use single ingredient, ingredients. I really don't think doing the semi-homemade (forget that woman's name, Sandra Lee?) is what most people think of re cooking. I think of roast veg with olive oil and salt (and maybe other seasonings), cook meat, cook starch side. If doing something more elaborate, it's still single ingredient ingredients for the most part (unless something like pasta which really is just flour and water and I could make at home but what difference does it make?). I'm always puzzled how it's assumed other people cook if not like this. Of course, I also don't think using something processed like pasta or flour or olive oil somehow makes my food less worth eating, so maybe we aren't on the same page.
Oh I have a bookshelf full of cookbooks purchased from schools, churches or charity organizations that are filled with recipes that include ingredients that are not single ingredient ingredients.
Casseroles that use frozen hashbrowns or corn flakes. Numerous recipes that call for Cheez Whiz or Velveeta, canned cream of <something> soup, or sausage. Desserts that use packaged cookies, cake mixes, pudding or Jell-O.
I know such cookbooks exist--I love weird cookbooks and have a few Iowa church cookbook from the '20s or some such, as well as a cookbook based on food in books by James Joyce, LOL and a ton of other weird things--but they aren't the main common cookbooks, IME. The idea that you have to seek out "clean eating" cookbooks is odd.
I don't know what is meant by "main common cookbooks" but my point was that a lot of people cook with ingredients that aren't single ingredient ingredients and wouldn't normally be considered clean. Cookbooks such as those from churches and schools are compiled from recipes parents, members and students regularly make.
Bittman, Julia Child, stuff like that.
Those product-based recipes are typically from the back of the product, not a standard cookbook.
Maybe I'm naive, but most people I know primarily cook using whole ingredients, not Ritz crackers. They will also use convenience foods on occasion (or even regularly for lunch), sure, but I find it odd that some seem to think that normal cooking, cooking from whole foods, is something special and different that needs a self-congratulatory name. I just think of it as cooking.
Speaking of that Ritz cracker thing ... there's a pie that is, apparently, made from Ritz crackers.
Evidently it is apple flavoured and I've heard you buy a pie shell, a package of the cheapest Ritz crackers (or look-alikes) that you can find, and the cheapest sugar laden apple beverage that you can find. You soak the Ritz crackers in the apple beverage, then plop the whole mess into the pie shell, and maybe add some more sugar and cinnamon and bake it.
It's supposed to taste just like apple pie ... without all the hassle of cutting up fresh apples.
Even though I've heard about this pie from several people, and I'm told it is a poor person's alternative to buying fresh produce, I can't get the word "WHY???" out of my head.
Oh yeah, that recipe used to be on every Ritz cracker box (maybe still is). I've never known anyone that actually made it though.
Sadly ... I did know some who made it. In fact, I know someone who made it in the last year or so!!
Did you taste it? I've always been curious. Seems like it would have to be salty since the crackers are fairly salty.
No, I've never tried it.0 -
Mandygring wrote: »I'm still wanting to know if people have tried it(whatever their definition is)...not recipes for a pie I'm not gonna make hahahaha
Tried what?
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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »I have cream of tartar in the house, and really, what else is it useful for?
Absolutely intrigued by the vinegar pie, but utterly baffled by the revelation that mock apple pie predates Ritz crackers. The only explanation for that recipe that ever came close to making an ounce of sense was that it was invented to sell Ritz crackers. Now nothing about it makes any sense at all.
Cream of tartar adds a bit of acid to things that might benefit from it. For instance, it helps whipped egg whites hold their peak.
The link jruzer posted explains why mock apple pie became a thing.
http://www.culinarylore.com/food-history:did-nabisco-invent-mock-apple-pie
I thought it made a lot of sense. Two hundred years ago, apples weren't available year-round; plus, it makes the point that baked apples in themselves don't have a strong flavor. Apple pie is all about the spices, which is why a mock apple pie could have a similar flavor. I still can't imagine the texture being right, though.
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Mandygring wrote: »I'm still wanting to know if people have tried it(whatever their definition is)...not recipes for a pie I'm not gonna make hahahaha
I would like to try it but i already know I'd fail. I couldn't give up yogurt, cottage cheese, bacon, protein powder, peanut butter, cereal etc etc
To me, clean eating means consuming nothing but meat, veggies, fruit, nuts and seeds. And what about store bought milk, is this ok to drink if one is eating clean?
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Mandygring wrote: »I'm still wanting to know if people have tried it(whatever their definition is)...not recipes for a pie I'm not gonna make hahahaha
there are those here who have indicated they are doing it now and those who have said yes but it didn't stick.Alatariel75 wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »I have cream of tartar in the house, and really, what else is it useful for?
Absolutely intrigued by the vinegar pie, but utterly baffled by the revelation that mock apple pie predates Ritz crackers. The only explanation for that recipe that ever came close to making an ounce of sense was that it was invented to sell Ritz crackers. Now nothing about it makes any sense at all.
Have to say I'm not comfortable with people being called out about the contents of their diary. I understand the motivation, but it's not what open diaries are for and undermines the community support aspect, imo. I don't have an open diary and I am very reluctant to accept people as friends because I'm not comfortable with the idea that someone I don't know could criticise or shame what I chose to have for breakfast - and that's exactly what I see happening here.
I don't see any shaming. No one cares what people eat but if you're going to make claims about how you eat and your open diary completely belies that claim, i think it would be expected that it would be pointed out.
and this...if someone claims to be eating clean and says "no processed foods" and there is a hotdog logged...yah it will get pointed out.
But this is why I don't believe anyone when they say they eat "clean"...you can't follow the definition given here ever...it's impossible...processed foods aren't just hotdogs...it's applesauce, it's breads, it's whole grain whatever.1 -
I eat a lot of clean food, but I do enjoy processed food daily (peanut butter, yogurt, etc). But the vast majority could likely be "clean" at least by some definitions.
But, when people ask me how I eat to lose weight, I yell them I eat foods that I enjoy in portions that fill my daily calories.
I've never understood the need to label yourself as anything. Just eat your food, and eyes on your own plate.
Your food is not better than mine; mine isn't better than yours.4 -
Yes -- I gently questioned the poster too, and I was not judging at all. My intent was to point out that obviously there was some disconnect about the term "processed." I find it extremely confusing when people claim to not eat processed foods and 90% of their diary is processed foods (far more than I've ever eaten, and I don't eat clean, although once upon a time I did something similar without using the term). I think a problem with communication on MFP is that some people seem to think processed means something different than it does, but I don't quite get what, since in the latest example many of the foods were even highly or ultra processed.
This is relevant since if someone says "I don't eat processed food" meaning "I don't eat fast food" or "I don't eat premade meals that are unhealthy in my view, although I do eat the WW ones" or some such, no wonder they make weird assumptions about how the rest of us who admit to eating processed foods eat. It's helpful to clear up the misunderstandings.2 -
Mandygring wrote: »I'm still wanting to know if people have tried it(whatever their definition is)...not recipes for a pie I'm not gonna make hahahaha
As I stated before, when there is a universal definition I will let you know. IMO there is no such thing so this thread is pointless...1 -
I eat a lot of clean food, but I do enjoy processed food daily (peanut butter, yogurt, etc). But the vast majority could likely be "clean" at least by some definitions.
But, when people ask me how I eat to lose weight, I yell them I eat foods that I enjoy in portions that fill my daily calories.
I've never understood the need to label yourself as anything. Just eat your food, and eyes on your own plate.
Your food is not better than mine; mine isn't better than yours.
Giggle. Are they deaf?
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Mandygring wrote: »I'm still wanting to know if people have tried it(whatever their definition is)...not recipes for a pie I'm not gonna make hahahaha
really?! why?!1 -
KetoneKaren wrote: »I eat a lot of clean food, but I do enjoy processed food daily (peanut butter, yogurt, etc). But the vast majority could likely be "clean" at least by some definitions.
But, when people ask me how I eat to lose weight, I yell them I eat foods that I enjoy in portions that fill my daily calories.
I've never understood the need to label yourself as anything. Just eat your food, and eyes on your own plate.
Your food is not better than mine; mine isn't better than yours.
Giggle. Are they deaf?
Gah. Phone.2 -
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Mandygring wrote: »I'm still wanting to know if people have tried it(whatever their definition is)...not recipes for a pie I'm not gonna make hahahaha
Tried clean eating? I have (said so a few pages back and provided my definition).
I still eat relatively clean but eating only clean foods was unsustainable for me, though it was fun for a while and helped change my tastes for the better I think. But eating 100% clean is unnecessary for health and that's what I really care about.2 -
I honestly don't know if I have tried clean eating, as I still don't understand what it is. All I've read here are some vague rules that make no sense. If I did want to try it, I have no idea how I would go about it, or how I would even know if I was sticking to it or not. The truth behind the mocking is that I and others genuinely are not able to make sense of what this is all about.2
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I saw the results of more dishes to wash
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I always eat clean, unless I'm having a cheat day. Even then, I don't eat past 7 PM, because then it all goes to fat.4
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Mandygring wrote: »I'm still wanting to know if people have tried it(whatever their definition is)...not recipes for a pie I'm not gonna make hahahaha
Yes. I tried it. I was actually eating a clean (true clean, not 'I'm-trying to-fool-myself' clean) vegetarian diet.
I did not lose weight. I was at my highest weight and felt like butt.
Now, I just eat what I like (I do watch my protein, fats, fiber and micros), but I count calories...and am losing weight. *shrugs* Science and math are a beautiful thing.
LOL. I guess those working night shift are screwed, huh?I always eat clean, unless I'm having a cheat day. Even then, I don't eat past 7 PM, because then it all goes to fat.
And, if you eat after midnight, you'l turn into a FAT pumpkin (fat, since you ate after 7pm!).
If you eat carbs after 7pm, not only will you be fat, but have fluid retention, too.
Edited because OW. An old school iron radiator crushed my toe and ow stops my brain from braining.5 -
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I always eat clean, unless I'm having a cheat day. Even then, I don't eat past 7 PM, because then it all goes to fat.
What time zone? I mean it's 9.22am here but 7.22 pm in New York. So if i eat now, will it go to fat because i know what time it is somewhere else?
Is working night shift why i got fat?
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The only thing I eat that is processed is bacon, tomato purée and tinned tomatoes. I buy raw ingredients to make everything from scratch. Oh, and kippers, love those bad boys.1
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