Have you ever tried clean eating?
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Lovee_Dove7 wrote: »
Yes, no dairy, fruit, sugar or grains. I ate 1lb of veggies, "clean" meats, "good" fats, low carb. I'll do it for a period of time as a metabolic reset. But it's not a constant lifestyle. I did that for 3 months and lost 30lbs. I didn't even cheat once, nor did I want to. I felt completely satiated!Mandygring wrote: »unprocessed, whole foods like fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean meats, and no artificial ingredients, preservatives, sugars, saturated fat, and trans fat.
Huh? Fruit and grains are dirty foods?!? I thought highly processed, low nutrition food was considered "dirty". Minimally processed whole grains and fresh fruit are dirty? Everything I know about food is a lie!
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Lovee_Dove7 wrote: »
Yes, no dairy, fruit, sugar or grains. I ate 1lb of veggies, "clean" meats, "good" fats, low carb. I'll do it for a period of time as a metabolic reset. But it's not a constant lifestyle. I did that for 3 months and lost 30lbs. I didn't even cheat once, nor did I want to. I felt completely satiated!Mandygring wrote: »unprocessed, whole foods like fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean meats, and no artificial ingredients, preservatives, sugars, saturated fat, and trans fat.
Huh? Fruit and grains are dirty foods?!? I thought highly processed, low nutrition food was considered "dirty". Minimally processed whole grains and fresh fruit are dirty? Everything I know about food is a lie!
She did low carb, fruits and grains are usually carb heavy.0 -
I was clean eating for a while until life got busy & I went for 'easy' options. Clean eating is simply unprocessed or minimally processed foods. I was going for fruit, veges, meat & complex carbs. I cut out sugar & all white/ processed forms of carbs. I was still having treats, but they were raw, not processed & homemade. You don't have to sacrifice much & I found it non-restrictive.3
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I think that when I try to eat at a calorie deficit or at maintenance, I end up "clean eating" most of the time anyway in order to meet my goals.1
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ivanfawcettgibson wrote: »https://groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/product/Morrisons-Classic-Coleslaw/210784011?from=search&tags=|105651&param=coleslaw&parentContainer=SEARCHcoleslaw
That's a lot of ingredients for Mayo, cabbage and carrots.
Here's the Mayo...
https://groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/product/Morrisons-Mayonnaise/122307011?from=search&tags=|105651&param=mayonnaise&parentContainer=SEARCHmayonnaise
I'm speculating that they're using their own Mayo for the coleslaw. Ingredients are down the page.
What's the love canal?
And, who is the food babe sunnybeaches mentioned?
? That coleslaw you linked is one of the most tame ingredient lists I've seen linked by a "clean eater". I'm gonna go with what bpetrosky said and ask you what you think is in there is bad. The things in parentheses are what the thing in front of it is made of, fyi. There's only 5 things in there: cabbage, mayonaise dresssing (in parentheses what's in the mayonaise, nothing special, oil, water, egg, spices and something to keep it all together), carrots, single cream (in parentheses what's in it, again nothing special, milk, spices, extra lactic acid which is already found in milk and potassium sorbate also found in plants for preservation), colour (beta carotene which is extracted out of carrots).
The least "natural!" thing in it is xanthan gum which is produced by bacteria out of sugars. Everything else is either straight up a whole food or made with natural ingredients, if you're into that.
Of course you'd only know that if you took the 5 minutes to check, or knew beforehand. But fear mongering is so much more productive.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »
? That coleslaw you linked is one of the most tame ingredient lists I've seen linked by a "clean eater". I'm gonna go with what bpetrosky said and ask you what you think is in there is bad. The things in parentheses are what the thing in front of it is made of, fyi. There's only 5 things in there: cabbage, mayonaise dresssing (in parentheses what's in the mayonaise, nothing special, oil, water, egg, spices and something to keep it all together), carrots, single cream (in parentheses what's in it, again nothing special, milk, spices, extra lactic acid which is already found in milk and potassium sorbate also found in plants for preservation), colour (beta carotene which is extracted out of carrots).
The least "natural!" thing in it is xanthan gum which is produced by bacteria out of sugars. Everything else is either straight up a whole food or made with natural ingredients, if you're into that.
Going by that logic every single food in the world could qualify as 'natural', unless someone has ingredients from outer space that they're not telling about...
Personally I prefer my coleslaw without the xanthan gum and potassium sorbate… and what's with the sugar? (Who puts sugar in home made coleslaw?)
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Why do you prefer it without it? Does it taste worse? Do you think it's somehow bad for you?0
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stevencloser wrote: »
? That coleslaw you linked is one of the most tame ingredient lists I've seen linked by a "clean eater". I'm gonna go with what bpetrosky said and ask you what you think is in there is bad. The things in parentheses are what the thing in front of it is made of, fyi. There's only 5 things in there: cabbage, mayonaise dresssing (in parentheses what's in the mayonaise, nothing special, oil, water, egg, spices and something to keep it all together), carrots, single cream (in parentheses what's in it, again nothing special, milk, spices, extra lactic acid which is already found in milk and potassium sorbate also found in plants for preservation), colour (beta carotene which is extracted out of carrots).
The least "natural!" thing in it is xanthan gum which is produced by bacteria out of sugars. Everything else is either straight up a whole food or made with natural ingredients, if you're into that.
Going by that logic every single food in the world could qualify as 'natural', unless someone has ingredients from outer space that they're not telling about...
Personally I prefer my coleslaw without the xanthan gum and potassium sorbate… and what's with the sugar? (Who puts sugar in home made coleslaw?)
Bobby Flay, for one.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/bobby-flay/creamy-cole-slaw-recipe.html
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ivanfawcettgibson wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »ivanfawcettgibson wrote: »The only thing I eat that is processed is bacon, tomato purée and tinned tomatoes. I buy raw ingredients to make everything from scratch. Oh, and kippers, love those bad boys.
See, this is exactly what I don't get. You consider tinned tomatoes to be "processed" when all that's been done to them is skinning, cooking and sealing in a tin, but you don't consider your own home cooking to be "processing", even though you have done much more processing to make your meal than the factory ever did to the tomatoes.
It's like people are acting on this idea of what is or isn't "processed" based on some completely arbitrary definition, which is OK, I guess, except that people act as if it's totally obvious that their home made pizza is acceptable when an identical frozen one isn't, and expect it to be obvious to everyone else as well.
If tinned tomatoes are processed, what about flour? What about olive oil or butter or maple syrup? What about honey, even? The bees put A LOT of processing into that!
It frustrates me, not because it doesn't make sense, but because people keep acting as if it does.
Tinned tomatoes have gone through a process to get them into a tin can.
Second point. Home cooking is cooking, not processing for sale.
I have to add things to my processed list... Coconut oil, olive oil and minced meat oh and pork rinds.
I think the point is that there are more odd chemicals in a bought, frozen pizza than there would be in a home made pizza. Not that I eat them anymore, but whenever I made pizza I didn't put MSG or a *kitten* load of sugar in the dough.
I'd say, if you can't pronounce the ingredients on the packet, or have to google them, you shouldn't be eating them unless they're prescribed.
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I will only answer if @diannethegeek lays out her findings of what clean eating is. I know she has tried to define it, but don't think it has worked so far.
I like food. I eat some minimally processed food, some highly processed food, and some in between the two. I wash all of it. It's clean.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
? That coleslaw you linked is one of the most tame ingredient lists I've seen linked by a "clean eater". I'm gonna go with what bpetrosky said and ask you what you think is in there is bad. The things in parentheses are what the thing in front of it is made of, fyi. There's only 5 things in there: cabbage, mayonaise dresssing (in parentheses what's in the mayonaise, nothing special, oil, water, egg, spices and something to keep it all together), carrots, single cream (in parentheses what's in it, again nothing special, milk, spices, extra lactic acid which is already found in milk and potassium sorbate also found in plants for preservation), colour (beta carotene which is extracted out of carrots).
The least "natural!" thing in it is xanthan gum which is produced by bacteria out of sugars. Everything else is either straight up a whole food or made with natural ingredients, if you're into that.
Going by that logic every single food in the world could qualify as 'natural', unless someone has ingredients from outer space that they're not telling about...
Personally I prefer my coleslaw without the xanthan gum and potassium sorbate… and what's with the sugar? (Who puts sugar in home made coleslaw?)
No. Just, no. Either you have a real reason why you never want to consume xanthan gum or potassium sorbate, or you're ill-informed and happy that way.2 -
From the Center for Science in the Public Interest:
Food Additive Safety
Many people presume that some federal agency is overseeing the safety of the ingredients in our food supply. That's reasonable, because that is actually what the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is supposed to be doing, and what Congress told it to do in a 1958 law.
But since 1997, FDA has punted on that core responsibility, allowing companies to make their own secret determinations of a substance's safety for use in our food.
The legal standard is supposed to be that an ingredient is "generally recognized as safe," or GRAS. That originally applied to things like oil and vinegar-foodstuffs that are widely accepted as safe to consume. Now the loophole is swallowing the law: companies are deciding in secret that almost anything they want to put in food is GRAS, and FDA is letting them.
If companies decide a new ingredient is GRAS, they don't have to tell FDA what their investigations show about safety or even tell the government what or how much of anything they have decided to add to food. In short, the food industry—not FDA—is in charge of what you eat.3 -
From the Center for Science in the Public Interest:
Food Additive Safety
Many people presume that some federal agency is overseeing the safety of the ingredients in our food supply. That's reasonable, because that is actually what the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is supposed to be doing, and what Congress told it to do in a 1958 law.
But since 1997, FDA has punted on that core responsibility, allowing companies to make their own secret determinations of a substance's safety for use in our food.
The legal standard is supposed to be that an ingredient is "generally recognized as safe," or GRAS. That originally applied to things like oil and vinegar-foodstuffs that are widely accepted as safe to consume. Now the loophole is swallowing the law: companies are deciding in secret that almost anything they want to put in food is GRAS, and FDA is letting them.
If companies decide a new ingredient is GRAS, they don't have to tell FDA what their investigations show about safety or even tell the government what or how much of anything they have decided to add to food. In short, the food industry—not FDA—is in charge of what you eat.
You still didn't address potassium sorbate or xanthan gum.
If you don't like how the FDA handles things, how about EFSA?
https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/41440 -
stevencloser wrote: »
? That coleslaw you linked is one of the most tame ingredient lists I've seen linked by a "clean eater". I'm gonna go with what bpetrosky said and ask you what you think is in there is bad. The things in parentheses are what the thing in front of it is made of, fyi. There's only 5 things in there: cabbage, mayonaise dresssing (in parentheses what's in the mayonaise, nothing special, oil, water, egg, spices and something to keep it all together), carrots, single cream (in parentheses what's in it, again nothing special, milk, spices, extra lactic acid which is already found in milk and potassium sorbate also found in plants for preservation), colour (beta carotene which is extracted out of carrots).
The least "natural!" thing in it is xanthan gum which is produced by bacteria out of sugars. Everything else is either straight up a whole food or made with natural ingredients, if you're into that.
Going by that logic every single food in the world could qualify as 'natural', unless someone has ingredients from outer space that they're not telling about...
Personally I prefer my coleslaw without the xanthan gum and potassium sorbate… and what's with the sugar? (Who puts sugar in home made coleslaw?)
No. Just, no. Either you have a real reason why you never want to consume xanthan gum or potassium sorbate, or you're ill-informed and happy that way.
I have xanthan gum in my pantry so I can bake with gluten free flour for my brother...5 -
From the Center for Science in the Public Interest:
Food Additive Safety
Many people presume that some federal agency is overseeing the safety of the ingredients in our food supply. That's reasonable, because that is actually what the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is supposed to be doing, and what Congress told it to do in a 1958 law.
But since 1997, FDA has punted on that core responsibility, allowing companies to make their own secret determinations of a substance's safety for use in our food.
The legal standard is supposed to be that an ingredient is "generally recognized as safe," or GRAS. That originally applied to things like oil and vinegar-foodstuffs that are widely accepted as safe to consume. Now the loophole is swallowing the law: companies are deciding in secret that almost anything they want to put in food is GRAS, and FDA is letting them.
If companies decide a new ingredient is GRAS, they don't have to tell FDA what their investigations show about safety or even tell the government what or how much of anything they have decided to add to food. In short, the food industry—not FDA—is in charge of what you eat.
Nice scaremongering, where did you copy-and-paste it from?
Xanthan gum has been used since the 1950s as a thickener and emulsifier. Potassium sorbate inhibits molds and yeasts. Both would make sense for supermarket brand cole slaw since you don't want water in the dressing to separate out, and you don't want it to start fermenting between the time it's made and consumed.
If the current FDA approval process is suspect to you, write your congressman.6 -
The Center for Science in the Public Interest has a long history of food demonizing and scaremongering. They jumped hard on the anti-saturated fat bandwagon back in the 1990s. They famously crusaded against coconut oil in movie theater popcorn, and promoted substituting trans-fats. They've also crusaded against restaurants for using certain fats for frying, then some years later crusaded against the same restaurants for using the fats they pressured them to switch to.
Given they have a habit of resorting to sensationalist claims and getting the science dead wrong, I'd personally dig deeper about any claims they stick in an infographic.7 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
? That coleslaw you linked is one of the most tame ingredient lists I've seen linked by a "clean eater". I'm gonna go with what bpetrosky said and ask you what you think is in there is bad. The things in parentheses are what the thing in front of it is made of, fyi. There's only 5 things in there: cabbage, mayonaise dresssing (in parentheses what's in the mayonaise, nothing special, oil, water, egg, spices and something to keep it all together), carrots, single cream (in parentheses what's in it, again nothing special, milk, spices, extra lactic acid which is already found in milk and potassium sorbate also found in plants for preservation), colour (beta carotene which is extracted out of carrots).
The least "natural!" thing in it is xanthan gum which is produced by bacteria out of sugars. Everything else is either straight up a whole food or made with natural ingredients, if you're into that.
Going by that logic every single food in the world could qualify as 'natural', unless someone has ingredients from outer space that they're not telling about...
Personally I prefer my coleslaw without the xanthan gum and potassium sorbate… and what's with the sugar? (Who puts sugar in home made coleslaw?)
Bobby Flay, for one.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/bobby-flay/creamy-cole-slaw-recipe.html
Me too.1 -
ivanfawcettgibson wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Here, this is a very good and well-informed discussion on the subject: http://www.simplyshredded.com/research-review-the-dirt-on-clean-eating-written-by-nutrition-expert-alan-aragon.html
It is, you're right.
As far as I can see it's on the lines of what I'm saying. I eat plenty of processed foods, bacon, olive oil, coconut oil, cream, milk, cheese. I just think it's better to make your own coleslaw than to eat a chemical shitstorm shop bought product. For some reason, I'm wrong and it doesn't make sense.
You can buy coleslaw that is essentially the same as something you'd make at home. That's why it's wrong to generalize about store-bought or "processed" products, IMO. (Which is my issue with clean eating, among other things. Yes, I know you aren't a clean eater.)3 -
Yes. I have been eating clean for years. I so eat the odd processed food like product now and then. And yes I am healthier for it.
How are you defining "processed"? I have a hard time understanding why cheese and smoked salmon are "food like products" and not simply food. I'm not even sure why a sandwich purchased from Pret wouldn't count as actual food. Also, I don't see why not eating these foods would make me healthier.2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Yes. I have been eating clean for years. I so eat the odd processed food like product now and then. And yes I am healthier for it.
How are you defining "processed"? I have a hard time understanding why cheese and smoked salmon are "food like products" and not simply food. I'm not even sure why a sandwich purchased from Pret wouldn't count as actual food. Also, I don't see why not eating these foods would make me healthier.
Sensible advice from the NHS:
Food processing techniques include freezing, canning, baking, drying and pasteurising products.
Dietitian Sian Porter says: "Not all processed food is a bad choice. Some foods need processing to make them safe, such as milk, which needs to be pasteurised to remove harmful bacteria. Other foods need processing to make them suitable for use, such as pressing seeds to make oil.
"Freezing fruit and veg preserves most vitamins, while tinned produce (choose those without added sugar and salt) can mean convenient storage, cooking and choice to eat all year round, with less waste and cost than fresh."1
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