August (2016) Running Challenge

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  • AdrianChr92
    AdrianChr92 Posts: 567 Member
    edited August 2016
    @5512bf @luluinca Max HR is set and you can't train it. You can lower your resting heart rate but you can't increase your max. It's set. Only time you go over your max is if you are having a heart attack or something like that. Problem is it's hard to achieve max heart rate. Most people will give up before hitting it because of the extreme discomfort. I thought mine was 196 because that's what I reached in a 5k but then I did another 5k with 100% humidity and kicked a little too hard at the end. I though I was gonna die right there. Hit 198.

    I'm 24 so my 220-24 would be 196 and for me it's a little off. I have a friend who is 27 and his would be 193 but he is red lining at 180. That's my tempo hr

    I also know someone with a max hr of 212. I saw his strava run averaging 200 and I was like dude are you ok? and he was like yea that's normal

    Had a really bad day today. Woke up with my belly feeling inflated. I hoped it will pass so I could run in the evening. It was better and decided to go with my schedule anyway. Had a 20 min tempo and 6 reps of 200. Nothing hard. Warm up went ok. After 13 min in my tempo run my heart rate was in the red zone and I wanted to empty the content of my stomach right there. Worst 15 min driving home in my life. Everything was dizzy. My heart rate monitor indicated a resting heart rate of 125 and it wouldn't go down. I threw up everything I ate 24 hours ago and today and felt instantly better so thats that. I guess 13 min of tempo is fine too.

    Now I'm hungry and thirsty but its 11 PM. I only ate 1200 cals today.


    Date.....Distance..Type/min/km

    August 1 - 6.6 km - V.Easy/7:00
    August 2 - 7.4 km - Reps/4:00
    August 3 - 7.6 km - V.Easy/6:50
    August 4 - 6.4 km - Easy/6:15
    August 5 - 12+4km - Tempo&Reps and Easy/4:50
    August 6 - 5.0 km - Easy/6:05
    August 7 - 10.4km - Long(ish)Run/6:17
    August 8 - 3.6 km - Easy/6:00
    August 9 - 6.0 km - Easy/6:07
    August 10- 10.2km - Speedwork/4:20
    August 11- 6.0 km - Tempo/4:45

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    03/04: Bucharest 10k and Family run 48:28
    16/04: Color Run Bucharest
    17/04: Forest Run 5k 22:05
    04/06: Happy Run 5k 21:57
    22/07: Bucharest After9Cross 9.5k 49:03
    28/08: Fox Trail Half Marathon (10k)
    18/09: Baneasa Trail Run (10k)
    25/09: Black Sea 10k
    09/10: Bucharest International Marathon (Half Debut)
  • FrankieandSpots
    FrankieandSpots Posts: 446 Member
    100km!
    And at least a kilometer week of 1-200m sprints :smile:

    3rd August - 7km
    4th August - 12km

    8th - 5km
    10th - 5.5km
    11th - 3?km aprox.

    Let my garmin battery go flat yesterday :(
    And I smashed my big toe on this nice, steep, rocky, twisty path. Corner of my toenail is split off by a crack and the joint is a bit swollen (and bruising up this morning).
    Hopefully its starts getting better tomorrow.

    32.5/100km

  • FrankieandSpots
    FrankieandSpots Posts: 446 Member
    100km!
    And at least a kilometer week of 1-200m sprints :smile:

    3rd August - 7km
    4th August - 12km

    8th - 5km
    10th - 5.5km
    11th - 3?km aprox.

    Let my garmin battery go flat yesterday :(
    And I smashed my big toe on this nice, steep, rocky, twisty path. Corner of my toenail is split off by a crack and the joint is a bit swollen (and bruising up this morning).
    Hopefully its starts getting better tomorrow.

    32.5/100km

  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    @5512bf @luluinca Max HR is set and you can't train it. You can lower your resting heart rate but you can't increase your max. It's set. Only time you go over your max is if you are having a heart attack or something like that. Problem is it's hard to achieve max heart rate. Most people will give up before hitting it because of the extreme discomfort. I thought mine was 196 because that's what I reached in a 5k but then I did another 5k with 100% humidity and kicked a little too hard at the end. I though I was gonna die right there. Hit 198.

    I threw up everything I ate 24 hours ago and today and felt instantly better so thats that. I guess 13 min of tempo is fine too.

    Aweful that you're sick! Hope you recover quickly!

    Interesting on the HR. I've given up on trying to normal. Mine is one that runs high, 200-210 is not uncommon to see.

    I did the stair stepper today at 24 spm (level 1, it doesn't move any slower) and my HR hit 162. Ya, I probably wasn't supposed to be doing that.
  • ddmom0811
    ddmom0811 Posts: 1,881 Member
    @AdrianChr92 - oh my gosh, that does sound like the worst run ever!
    @Virkati - Your dog running story cracked me up. :lol:

    @skippygirlsmom - 2 days down. Both went very well. The kids are great. The preplanning 6 days was the worst I've ever been through. I usually hate preplanning weeks because I do a lot of stuff for teachers (database setup, etc) and computer stuff so I am so busy. But this year was the worst. I knew and kept trying to tell myself ... when school starts it will all be fine. And it was. Next year I need to go to doctor and get a script for some type of sedative for pre-planning week. I ran every day of preplanning to help with the stress so can't imagine if I hadn't run!

    @kristinegift - My daughter said it was brutal running in NYC this morning too. And this weekend is suppose to be really bad. She had to cut it short because she was so hot/sick. She's around your age (I assume, 23) and training for her first marathon while working and is a little in shock. All those years of college and having more time to run... and now really busy in her FT job, working lots of hours. I sent her some of the Oiselle running clothes and she loves them too!

    @FrankieandSpots - oh my gosh - sorry about the toe. To me, nothing is more painful than toe pain!

    @sunkisd1105 - I used to get awful sinus headaches. They were so bad I thought they were migraines. Anyway, I became addicted to local honey. I have a Tablespoon every day and haven't had a sinus headache in about 3 years. The only problem is when I travel. If I'm only in a city for a couple days I don't have a problem. But if I go visit my mom or daughter in different states during the time stuff is blooming I have to go search for local honey!

    @Elise4270 - yeah, I'm thinking the stair climbing probably wasn't in the list of things you could do. :wink: I know you are going crazy though! Can't blame you.
  • 5512bf
    5512bf Posts: 389 Member
    @5512bf @luluinca Max HR is set and you can't train it. You can lower your resting heart rate but you can't increase your max. It's set. Only time you go over your max is if you are having a heart attack or something like that. Problem is it's hard to achieve max heart rate. Most people will give up before hitting it because of the extreme discomfort. I thought mine was 196 because that's what I reached in a 5k but then I did another 5k with 100% humidity and kicked a little too hard at the end. I though I was gonna die right there. Hit 198.


    I agree your true max HR is completely unknown, however my point was that those formulas to determine them are useless, especially for those who do a lot of cardio training. I do believe that with cardio training you are obtain HR numbers that are higher than those formulas will calculate and do so without any negative consequence. Like you said, to get your HR in the high 190's, for just about anyone, is incredibly uncomfortable and you are only able to do so for a few seconds before you just have to stop.

    When I first started running a HR of 175-180 felt like death and I couldn't go on, now 175-180 is something I see several times a month when doing threshold work and can go with that HR for 15-20 minutes. I think you can push the formula number upwards with training, but you are correct that anything over your true max is bad news.

  • _nikkiwolf_
    _nikkiwolf_ Posts: 1,380 Member
    @hockeymom95 and @ChrissyTCheerZ and @temaza @atlantarunner Welcome to the group!

    @ariceroni That sounds really bad! I hope the rest days help; at least you can still bike.

    @HonuNui That actually came from a real crab? You got the weirdest animals! Last time I went snorkling, the most exciting thing I saw was an old hiking boot. ... Must be the reason I ended up with running instead ^^

    @MaVieEntiere You are doing great! There is this great quote that @Stoshew71 (I think) always posts: 'Don't Compare Your Chapter 1 To Someone Else's Chapter 20' - some people here have been running for a few years; gradually increasing the distance from month to month. Plus, to be perfectly honest, there's no need to go crazy and run all those super long distances - unless you want to, of course :p

    @Virkati Maybe you need to tire your dog out on the bike first, and then take him running. As an added bonus, you can start doing duathlons with that kind of training. :) So... do we get to see a picture of your new running partner?

    @1TheQueenB Already past 30miles? You will do great at the 10k; if you keep up that determination until next spring, you'll have a great disney half!

  • _nikkiwolf_
    _nikkiwolf_ Posts: 1,380 Member
    edited August 2016
    I feel almost bad to post this, as most of you guys are still stuffering from heat waves, but... it finally got colder this week! Tuesday and Wednesday I ran late in the evening, and both times the temperatures were (barely, but still) below 20C/70F. Today I ran earlier, when the sun was still out, so it was a bit warmer, but none of the killer humidity.

    Sadly, the weather forcast claims the summer will return soon - Saturday and Sunday we'll be back around 30C/86F. I guess a cold, rainy weekend would have been too good to be true *sigh*

    Despite the colder temps, I wasn't really "feeling it" during the first half of yesterdays run. Originally, I had planned to drive over to the mountains, but then I get held up at work way longer than planned; and then I freaked out because I couldn't find my wallet. After turning my apartment upside-down, driving back to work and searching the office, I finally found it in the car under the seat facepalm.gif
    By that point it was much, much too late to head for the mountain trails. I was rather disappinted about that. On top of that, it was late enough that the sandwich I had for lunch was only a faint memory; so I wanted dinner more than I wanted to run around the neighbourhood...
    I went out anyway, but the first 6 or 7 km I kept arguing with myself if I should really run the planned 14.5km or not. When I came to the point where a right turn would have been the shortcut home, and the left turn the looong way around, my playlist came to the rescue. At that moment, it was playing the end of Resistance by Muse - "We must run, It's time to ru-u-un...". Perfect timing! I decided to take that as a sign to take the long way; and funnily enough, once that decision was made, I enjoyed the second half of my run much more. Still, when I reached my place after 14km, I didn't think twice about skipping the last few hundred meters and finally getting myself some dinner.

    I made up for that today though. A colleague mentioned he recently started running again, and we decided to go for a run together after work tonight. He said he could do about 5km at the moment, but "not very fast". I actually had an easy 6km planned for today; so I thought running over to his place to pick him up and then letting him pick the pace would be nice...
    Good thing I had the 1.2km over to his place as a warmup; because we ended up running 6km together, at an average pace of ~6:10min/km - which is somewhere between 10k and HM race pace for me. We still managed to chat during the entire run (but more in one-sentence-bits rather than long stories), and I found out that before he took a break from running, he used to do 9km in 45minutes in the lunch break. Since my 10k RACE PR is barely under 1 hour, I wouldn't have thought todays run would be easy if I had known that before. Guess that's running karma's payback for skipping the last half km yesterday :p

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  • AdrianChr92
    AdrianChr92 Posts: 567 Member
    edited August 2016
    @5512bf I do agree you need a minimum of fitness to reach your max HR. Otherwise your muscles and lungs will just give up before your heart

    @Elise4270 Thanks. I'm already feeling better. I'm sure it's from something I ate yesterday.
  • luluinca
    luluinca Posts: 2,899 Member
    5512bf wrote: »
    @5512bf @luluinca Max HR is set and you can't train it. You can lower your resting heart rate but you can't increase your max. It's set. Only time you go over your max is if you are having a heart attack or something like that. Problem is it's hard to achieve max heart rate. Most people will give up before hitting it because of the extreme discomfort. I thought mine was 196 because that's what I reached in a 5k but then I did another 5k with 100% humidity and kicked a little too hard at the end. I though I was gonna die right there. Hit 198.


    I agree your true max HR is completely unknown, however my point was that those formulas to determine them are useless, especially for those who do a lot of cardio training. I do believe that with cardio training you are obtain HR numbers that are higher than those formulas will calculate and do so without any negative consequence. Like you said, to get your HR in the high 190's, for just about anyone, is incredibly uncomfortable and you are only able to do so for a few seconds before you just have to stop.

    When I first started running a HR of 175-180 felt like death and I couldn't go on, now 175-180 is something I see several times a month when doing threshold work and can go with that HR for 15-20 minutes. I think you can push the formula number upwards with training, but you are correct that anything over your true max is bad news.

    That makes sense to me. I guess what I'm hoping to do is decrease the HR threshold at which I can actually run faster. In other words, if I can only run a 13 min mile right now comfortably, then perhaps with training I can run an 11 min mile at the same HR? So while I haven't increased my Max HR I've increased distance by pushing my HR zones gradually over time.

    Is that right?

    I do remember my Max HR probably being quite a bit lower when I first started going back to the gym. I'd come off a little over a year of a very serious illness and the first time I got on the treadmill I thought 135 was going to kill me.

    I think I may have improved my overall health conditions quite a bit since then but I doubt I'll be able to increase my Max HR at this point. I'll be happy to improve my running times though with practice. ;)
  • Azercord
    Azercord Posts: 573 Member
    Done with my running cycle for the week and now I get two days for rest (from running at least) before my long run on Sunday.

    35/85 for the month so far.
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    5512bf wrote: »
    @5512bf @luluinca Max HR is set and you can't train it. You can lower your resting heart rate but you can't increase your max. It's set. Only time you go over your max is if you are having a heart attack or something like that. Problem is it's hard to achieve max heart rate. Most people will give up before hitting it because of the extreme discomfort. I thought mine was 196 because that's what I reached in a 5k but then I did another 5k with 100% humidity and kicked a little too hard at the end. I though I was gonna die right there. Hit 198.


    I agree your true max HR is completely unknown, however my point was that those formulas to determine them are useless, especially for those who do a lot of cardio training. I do believe that with cardio training you are obtain HR numbers that are higher than those formulas will calculate and do so without any negative consequence. Like you said, to get your HR in the high 190's, for just about anyone, is incredibly uncomfortable and you are only able to do so for a few seconds before you just have to stop.

    When I first started running a HR of 175-180 felt like death and I couldn't go on, now 175-180 is something I see several times a month when doing threshold work and can go with that HR for 15-20 minutes. I think you can push the formula number upwards with training, but you are correct that anything over your true max is bad news.

    My understanding is also that you can't change your max HR and that max HR is not an indication of fitness. Lactate threshold HR is an indication of fitness and is something you can increase. I suspect that you have increased you LT HR, which is why you are now more comfortable in the 175-180 range. As you become more fit, your LT HR will get closer to you max HR so you will be capable of seeing higher numbers because you can reach and sustain that HR more easily, but that doesn't necessarily mean that your max HR has changed. Again, this is just how I have always understood heart rate and training.
  • luluinca
    luluinca Posts: 2,899 Member
    lporter229 wrote: »
    5512bf wrote: »
    @5512bf @luluinca Max HR is set and you can't train it. You can lower your resting heart rate but you can't increase your max. It's set. Only time you go over your max is if you are having a heart attack or something like that. Problem is it's hard to achieve max heart rate. Most people will give up before hitting it because of the extreme discomfort. I thought mine was 196 because that's what I reached in a 5k but then I did another 5k with 100% humidity and kicked a little too hard at the end. I though I was gonna die right there. Hit 198.


    I agree your true max HR is completely unknown, however my point was that those formulas to determine them are useless, especially for those who do a lot of cardio training. I do believe that with cardio training you are obtain HR numbers that are higher than those formulas will calculate and do so without any negative consequence. Like you said, to get your HR in the high 190's, for just about anyone, is incredibly uncomfortable and you are only able to do so for a few seconds before you just have to stop.

    When I first started running a HR of 175-180 felt like death and I couldn't go on, now 175-180 is something I see several times a month when doing threshold work and can go with that HR for 15-20 minutes. I think you can push the formula number upwards with training, but you are correct that anything over your true max is bad news.

    My understanding is also that you can't change your max HR and that max HR is not an indication of fitness. Lactate threshold HR is an indication of fitness and is something you can increase. I suspect that you have increased you LT HR, which is why you are now more comfortable in the 175-180 range. As you become more fit, your LT HR will get closer to you max HR so you will be capable of seeing higher numbers because you can reach and sustain that HR more easily, but that doesn't necessarily mean that your max HR has changed. Again, this is just how I have always understood heart rate and training.

    Thanks, I think I'm understanding it now. So when I thought I was going to die at 135 it was more because I had become rather unfit. Makes sense. I went through a terrible ordeal and was overall very weak and unfit when I got back to a fitness routine. I think my max must be slightly above 180 which is different than the formula but that doesn't really bother me. I just want to run a little faster! I'm not really interested in pushing the envelope here and reaching my max HR. :p

    Am I the oldest runner here......LOL?
  • AdrianChr92
    AdrianChr92 Posts: 567 Member
    edited August 2016
    @luluinca Yea that's how it works. If you can hold an 11 min pace at let's say 150 bpm, with enough training you could hold an 11 min pace at 140 bpm which means you can go faster for the same effort
  • luluinca
    luluinca Posts: 2,899 Member
    @luluinca Yea that's how it works. If you can hold an 11 min pace at let's say 150 bpm, with enough training you could hold an 11 min pace at 140 bpm which means you can go faster for the same effort

    Thanks for all the help with understanding this stuff everyone! I really appreciate it. I guess I just never really thought about it too much before, even though I've monitored my HR off and on for 3 years. Now that I'm running though I'm finding it much more interesting. ;)

    I'm looking forward to my Sunday run, it will be my first one without my dog and on something besides the horse trails here. I think I'll be faster but who knows? I'm going for 3.5 - 4 miles hopefully.
  • libelulla1
    libelulla1 Posts: 22 Member
    8/1 - 3.0 miles
    8/2 - 3.0 miles
    8/5 - 2.0 miles
    8/6 - 6.2 miles
    8/8 - 3.0 miles
    8/9 - 3.0 miles
    8/11 - 3.8 miles
    Goal: 45
    Total to date: 24
    21 to go

    Upcoming Races:
    Peachtree City Classic 15k 10/15/16
  • katharmonic
    katharmonic Posts: 5,720 Member
    Alright, I couldn't stand putting down 0 miles two days in a row so I went out there and ran 2.06 slow and sweaty miles. I forgot to charge my Garmin and it died out after 11 minutes, so I switched to my Nike+ app on my phone. I couldn't be without data!

    Despite the humidity, it felt good to get the legs moving a little bit. They were stiff and wobbly to start. I ordered a muscle roller that's coming from Amazon tomorrow and those legs are going to love it! And it was good to de-stress after the last couple of days. Now to figure out when to run tomorrow as it will be beastly hot again. I should get up early...

    Slowly creeping up on miles for August.

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  • sunkisd1105
    sunkisd1105 Posts: 11 Member
    ddmom0811 wrote: »
    @AdrianChr92 - oh my gosh, that does sound like the worst run ever!
    @Virkati - Your dog running story cracked me up. :lol:

    @skippygirlsmom - 2 days down. Both went very well. The kids are great. The preplanning 6 days was the worst I've ever been through. I usually hate preplanning weeks because I do a lot of stuff for teachers (database setup, etc) and computer stuff so I am so busy. But this year was the worst. I knew and kept trying to tell myself ... when school starts it will all be fine. And it was. Next year I need to go to doctor and get a script for some type of sedative for pre-planning week. I ran every day of preplanning to help with the stress so can't imagine if I hadn't run!

    @kristinegift - My daughter said it was brutal running in NYC this morning too. And this weekend is suppose to be really bad. She had to cut it short because she was so hot/sick. She's around your age (I assume, 23) and training for her first marathon while working and is a little in shock. All those years of college and having more time to run... and now really busy in her FT job, working lots of hours. I sent her some of the Oiselle running clothes and she loves them too!

    @FrankieandSpots - oh my gosh - sorry about the toe. To me, nothing is more painful than toe pain!

    @sunkisd1105 - I used to get awful sinus . They were so bad I thought they were migraines. Anyway, I became addicted to local honey. I have a Tablespoon every day and haven't had a sinus headache in about 3 years. The only problem is when I travel. If I'm only in a city for a couple days I don't have a problem. But if I go visit my mom or daughter in different states during the time stuff is blooming I have to go search for local honey!

    @Elise4270 - yeah, I'm thinking the stair climbing probably wasn't in the list of things you could do. :wink: I know you are going crazy though! Can't blame you.


    That's great advice! I will hit the farmer's market this weekend and give it a try! Thanks a bunch!

  • kristinegift
    kristinegift Posts: 2,406 Member
    @ddmom0811 I am right around your daughter's age (I'm 25) and in her boat! New FT job and trying to figure out when to train for a marathon and be the LEAST miserable. But we've got a terrible heatwave upon us right now and it's only going to get worse. Fri-Sat overnight low of 78 and Sat-Sun low of 76. Ridiculous stuff.

    And @ Everyone else who commented on weather: Though I wish the weather was better, I am glad we're all suffering together ;)
  • kristinegift
    kristinegift Posts: 2,406 Member
    8/1: 3.6 miles w/ the Coffee Crew
    8/2: 5 miles
    8/3: Rest day
    8/4: 7 miles (am)
    ...... 6.4 miles (pm)
    8/5: Rest day
    8/6: 10 miles w/ the Saturday Crew
    8/7: 18 miles
    8/8: 6.9 miles
    8/9: Rest day
    8/10: 8.9 miles (am)
    ........: 4.2 miles (pm)
    8/11: 5.3 miles (am)
    ........: 6.4 miles (pm)

    It was awful weather tonight and it showed with the number of people who showed for our running group. Normally we get a minimum of 12-15 people when it's hot, but today we had about 6 people show. It had just stormed before the run started, and it was about 80F (around 26C) and at least 70% humidity. Less humid than this morning, but felt pretty awful. Kept the pace low and ran with another lady who usually paces slower than I do and we chatted the entire time which was really nice; kept us honest about not pushing too hard.

    Really excited for a rest day tomorrow, but I'm dreading the weekend runs. Overnight lows in the high 70s does not bode well for double long runs. Oi vey.

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    Upcoming Races:
    9/11: Lehigh Valley Via Marathon (Several Towns, PA)
    (10/16: Halloween Half (Morristown, NJ) >> maybe)
    11/20: Philadelphia Marathon (Philadelphia, PA)

  • 9voice9
    9voice9 Posts: 693 Member
    5512bf wrote: »
    And here is a extended forecast. Glorious morning running weather in the future.
    DEEPLY jealous of those lows in the 60s. We're still a couple months off from that kind of break.

    Of course, by then I'll be complaining about the cold. NOT! :wink:
  • 9voice9
    9voice9 Posts: 693 Member
    edited August 2016
    I hope to be able to run (survive) the Atlanta 10-Miler in late October.
    Welcome to the craziness group family from a mid-stater! C'mon down to Macon for the Labor Day Road Race for a training run!
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    Finally got to look at my HR data for this morning's run. Average heart rate for the 30 minute tempo portion was 169 bpm, with a max of 177. Thing is that it didn't feel like I was pushing it. Sure it was fast (for me) at 8:20 per mile, but I definitely didn't feel like I should have set PRs for 5k and 10k, but I did. I guess I must be getting in better shape. Looking forward to rest tomorrow so I can get my Saturday long run in while rested, before jumping back into another build up after this cutback week.

    Just over 6 more weeks until HM number 2!
  • MobyCarp
    MobyCarp Posts: 2,927 Member
    August Running Totals (miles)
    8/1 – 5.90 easy plus 4 strides
    8/2 – 6.24 hill run
    8/3 – rest day
    8/4 – 13.56 hot and humid
    8/5 – rest day
    8/6 – 14.13 paced run
    8/7 – 7.75 almost easy
    8/8 – 6.30 easy + 4 strides
    8/9 – 7.34 warmup, easy with a few fartleks
    8/10 – 6.66 group run
    8/11 – 4.18 lunch run
    8/11 – 0.88+2.04+1.15 warmup, time trial, cool down - daily double

    August total to date – 76.13

    Nominal Challenge Goal – 200 miles
    Real Goals: Survive last month before retirement. Train as well as possible toward Rochester Marathon. Avoid putting myself back on the couch.

    Today's notes – I'm calling it a daily double, but it felt like 4 separate runs today. I had a training puzzle: My major upcoming race is the Rochester Marathon. The training plan calls for an extended tempo interval run that I estimate will total between 10 and 11 miles. But I'm running a 5K on Saturday. Tuesday, Coach told me to go light on the speed work today, maybe one set of 15 second cutbacks starting at 90 seconds. That would really undercut my mileage base for the week, and the mileage base is the weakest part of my training for Rochester. And then the training program I pace long runs for invited pacers to the 2 mile time trial this evening. Okay, I know how that works; about a mile really slow running from the store to the office park, 2 miles fast, and another slow mile back to the store. It's not enough to really feel like I've had a complete workout or a complete run.

    So I pondered all this, and since today is my only work at home day this week I ran on my lunch hour. That was the 4.18 miles in 32:08. My porch thermometer said 90º F, but the Garmin feed says it was only 86º. In any case, there wasn't much shade at noon, and breeze was intermittent. I was probably a bit faster than I should have been for an easy run, but I'll take 4 miles at lunch any way I can get it. For those following heart rate data, average was 130 and max was 143. Not bad, given that it was hot and humid.

    Got to Fleet Feet in plenty of time. The run from the store to the office park where they do the time trials was at an unnatural slow pace so the group could keep up. I noticed I was moving up and down a lot, compared to how far forward I was moving. OMG! Told the coach I was running next to, "We're jogging! Please, let's not find any dead bodies." (Y'all have corrupted my view of running vs. jogging.) That total run was 0.88 miles in 9:00 minutes, for an average pace of 10:16 per mile. I didn't know I could run that slow, and I probably can't without someone else setting the pace. Garmin says it was 91º, and my average heart rate was 110, max 123.

    I'm the rabbit for the 2 mile time trial. The guy who ran a 12:49 and got put into the 8:30 pace group for long runs wasn't there this evening, so I got the experience of running a pseudo-race in the lead from start to finish. That will never happen in a real race. I have thought for some time that the 2 miles the program marks off are a bit longer than 2 miles; but Garmin reported 2.04 miles in 12:36. That's close enough that the 2 miles might be race measurement, by shortest legal distance plus 1% for error. I didn't run terrible tangents, but you can't run perfect tangents when the road is open to traffic and you need to pass people that you're lapping. So it might be a fair race distance 2 miles. Average pace would have been 6:18 per mile on nominal distance, 6:11 per mile on Garmin distance. Garmin reported the temperature as 90º and the humidity was enough that the coaches were warning about dehydration and heatstroke before the trial started. (No incidents along those lines, fortunately.) Average heart rate was 153, max 162.

    I took the run back to the store solo, and went a longer route than the group did. Then I added some junk distance around the parking lot, and looped back to finish the last 200 to 300 meters with the group leaders. That was 1.15 miles in 9:21, for an average pace of 8:07 per mile and the closest thing to a proper easy run I've had today. Garmin reported the temperature as 90º. Average heart rate 133, max 140.

    The plan for the 2 mile time trial was not to go all out as if it were a 2 mile race, but try to run it at I pace, which is approximately 5K race pace. I had enough gas left in the tank at the end that I might have been able to keep it up another mile, so that worked out well. And the pace translates to a 5K around 19:30, which would tie my second best 5K result. So perhaps I'm conditioned reasonably well for the 5K on Saturday.

    Reading the posts today has me thinking about the heart rate. Garmin claims my max heart rate is 185. I am 60 years old, so 220 - age puts my max at 160, and 217 - 85% of age puts it at 166. Running a short race like a 5K with my heart rate averaging in the low to mid 150s is no big deal; running at marathon pace in good weather, my heart rate will be in the low 140s. On long runs, I tend to gravitate toward a heart rate somewhere around 130 unless I'm artificially slow to stay with other runners. I don't think I understand where my heart rate ought to be well enough to train by heart rate, but I find it interesting to look at it after the fact and try to figure out what it's telling me.

    Rest day tomorrow. 5K on Saturday. 20 days till I'm retired.

    Life is good.

    2016 races:
    January 1, 2016 Resolution Run 7.5 mile (Mendon, NY) finished in 53:58
    January 9, 2016 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY) finished in 1:30:59
    March 12, 2016 Johnny's Runnin' of the Green 5 mile (Rochester, NY) finished in 32:32
    March 26, 2016 Spring Forward Distance Run 15K (Mendon, NY) finished in 1:05:24
    April 18, 2016 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA) finished in 3:23:01
    April 24, 2016 Flower City Challenge Half Marathon (Rochester, NY) finished in 1:36:50, targeting MP
    May 15, 2016 Highland Hospital Lilac Run 10K (Rochester, NY) DNS - injury
    June 19, 2016 Medved 5K to Cure ALS (Rochester, NY) DNS - recovering from face plant
    July 16, 2016 Shoreline Half Marathon (Hamlin, NY) finished in 1:31:11
    August 13, 2016 Bergen Road Race 5K (Bergen, NY)
    September 18, 2016 Rochester Marathon (Rochester, NY)
    November 24, 2016 Race with Grace 10K (Hilton, NY)

  • ariceroni
    ariceroni Posts: 422 Member
    8/01: Off, rest day
    8/02: 4 miles, easy + strides + strength training
    8/03: 8 miles, fartlek
    8/04: 4 miles, easy + strides + strength training
    8/05: Off, active rest day - leisurely biking and walking
    8/06: 13.1 miles, long and super easy
    8/07: 10K race (51:59 - 6.30 miles) + 2.13 mile warm up
    8/08: Off, rest day
    8/09: 4 miles, easy + strides + strength training
    8/10: 5 miles
    8/11: Off, injured - 45 minutes elliptical + strength training
    Total: 46.7 miles

    Overview:
    Thank you everyone who has encouraged me/sent well wishes regarding my injured leg!
    It tested out the elliptical this morning, and it didn't hurt so I did that for 45 minutes, then did some of my usual strength training routine (the parts that didn't hurt). My leg feels about the same today that it did yesterday- still hurts when I stand on it or walk around. Planning to go back to the gym tomorrow and cross train for another hour or so, then do some core. Hopefully I will be back to running soon! I guess I'll revise my distance goal for the month once I'm there haha


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    Upcoming races:
    8/07: Chicago 10K 51:59 - not my best by a long shot but I'll take it
    8/26: Rock the Night 5K
    9/10: Chicago Women's Half Marathon
    9/25: Lifetime 5K
    10/09: Chicago Marathon
    10/30: Hot Chocolate 5K
    11/27: Space Coast Half Marathon
  • juliet3455
    juliet3455 Posts: 3,015 Member
    12 km Jaunt along the River Bank Trails.
    Extended out to the Far South end of town where 20 years ago there was a landslide that resulted in a 2 km x 1km section of riverbank dropping 50-100m. They were just starting to develop the area so once they cleared the trees and started trenching for services ( water/sewer/electrical etc. ) they hit underground springs that flooded all the service cuts, caused a landslide and resulted in the area being abandoned for residential development and was turned into a big rough cut park like area. Makes for a great running area- unfortunately it's 4 km one way from my front door.
    The old calf felt good as long as I stayed above 6 min/km, if I tried to push the pace below 6 min/km it would " Twinge " at me within 100m. So 12 km @ ~ 6:15/km = 76 minutes. Will take some more time to get back to my old 5:30/km pace :/ .

    A few Guerilla gardeners have claimed some areas adding some color with Vegetable and Flower beds :) . The Springs provide endless water for all the gardens and a nice place to refill water bottles with ice cold water ( or stash beer ).

    A modest 25C ( 77F ) and 64% humidity. No where near the painful high temperature and humidity so many of you are running in.

    08/01 – 0.0 km – 0.0 - 140 km
    08/03 – 9.0 km – 9.0 - 131 km
    08/06 –10.0 km – 19.0 - 121 km
    08/09 – 6.0 km – 25.0 - 115 km
    08/11 –12.0 km – 37.0 - 103 km – YTD 762.2 km

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  • 5BeautifulDays
    5BeautifulDays Posts: 683 Member
    Woke up with stiff and achy knees, so I decided today was a rest day. Definitely not going to make my 90 miles this month, I think, but that's ok. We've got the same miserable drenching heat and humidity that so many of the rest of you have, and I just don't have the stamina to push it (or the ability to wake up and run in the dark, which is about the only way to avoid the worst of it).

    Revising the goal down to 75, which I know I'll make.


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  • juliet3455
    juliet3455 Posts: 3,015 Member
    100km!
    And I smashed my big toe on this nice, steep, rocky, twisty path. Corner of my toenail is split off by a crack and the joint is a bit swollen (and bruising up this morning).
    @FrankieandSpots Sorry about the Toe - and because there is an indication of injury back to the Joint this probably means that you will come a member of The Lost Toe Nail Club, which seems to be a Right Of Passage for runners. All though its usually caused by a shoe suddenly not fitting right in the middle of a Race.
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    Today's notes: tempo run today.
    15 minute warm up
    35 minutes at 8:20 pace
    15 minute cooldown

    Maybe pushed it too hard today. Got a bunch of PRs today including 5k and 10k. Felt good, knee felt good running.

    @MNLittleFinn Wow, fast!!

    @TattooedDolphinGirl78 Is there youtube video for the 20 minute yoga routine you do? I've been doing Body Balance once a week, but I've realised it makes my back sore quite often, and if I had a routine I could do at home, I wouldn't feel as pressured to do the exercises everyone else is doing at the time.

    @Virkati Awww, cute Kelpie! :smile:

    @katharmonic I hope your doggie is feeling better soon. Glad you got out for the run!
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