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Is dairy good or bad?
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It's about more than acne. It doesn't clear up everyone's skin and not every person has acne. That's a bit obvious but it clears up many peoples acne, and does cause acne in many people.BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
So the acne I never had (except briefly and mildly as a 13-14 year old, when I didn't consume much dairy at all) will clear up? Cool, totally worth it!
Probably not. You're probably already addicted so you'll never give up dairy.
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brichards_ wrote: »
Caseinbrichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
What chemical? What makes it addictive?
Where the hell do you get that crap from?7 -
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amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
I did a plant-based diet for Lent one year (I normally just do vegetarian)--not Orthodox, just Catholic, so we have wimpy Lent. ;-) I did find that I lost weight without trying to, but my vegan friends have informed me that that's because I didn't do it long enough to get beyond the transition phase and find the replacement foods to eat/overeat. I have found that vegan restaurants, at least (which I go to with one vegan friend in particular) seem to have high cal foods and that if I wanted to I could overeat.
Anyway, I didn't feel better eating that way than any other way that is reasonably healthy (my plant-based diet was pretty healthy), and I did miss fish and dairy in particular, and my eggs at breakfast. I would do it for ethical reasons, if I were convinced of them, but the claims that I'd feel much better are no more accurate than similar claims for things like paleo or cutting out added sugar. I don't. But then I feel fine anyway.0 -
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stevencloser wrote: »Where the hell do you get that crap from?
I suspect she is parroting it from whatever vegan website she is currently following...6 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
Caseinbrichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
What chemical? What makes it addictive?
Where the hell do you get that crap from?
It is common knowledge. Casein leads to caseomorphines which is an opoid like morphine and heroin.
It is why pizza is so addictive.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8169274
The rat study you are touting everywhere concludes it is not addictive: "Consequently, systemically administered beta-casomorphin has very limited or no reinforcing properties similar to those of morphine. Ingestion of milk products containing beta-casomorphin is not likely to become the focus of an addiction."
Okay, now I'm swinging back to "not a troll, just impressively stupid."4 -
stevencloser wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
Caseinbrichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
What chemical? What makes it addictive?
Where the hell do you get that crap from?
She pulls it out of the same place that all the crap comes from.2 -
brichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
How can you be serious? Do you have any scientific references to give us?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
I did a plant-based diet for Lent one year (I normally just do vegetarian)--not Orthodox, just Catholic, so we have wimpy Lent. ;-) I did find that I lost weight without trying to, but my vegan friends have informed me that that's because I didn't do it long enough to get beyond the transition phase and find the replacement foods to eat/overeat. I have found that vegan restaurants, at least (which I go to with one vegan friend in particular) seem to have high cal foods and that if I wanted to I could overeat.
Anyway, I didn't feel better eating that way than any other way that is reasonably healthy (my plant-based diet was pretty healthy), and I did miss fish and dairy in particular, and my eggs at breakfast. I would do it for ethical reasons, if I were convinced of them, but the claims that I'd feel much better are no more accurate than similar claims for things like paleo or cutting out added sugar. I don't. But then I feel fine anyway.
Orthodox is pretty strict before Easter (lots of no oil and no cooked foods days). Christmas is easier. Only mondays are no oil no cooking. I lose quite a bit before Easter because without oil I have trouble even hitting minimum calories. Higher calorie items like beans and potatoes for example are not an option. On days called "strict fast" you actually eat nothing until 4 pm, so adding intermittent fasting to the already lower calorie diet and a couple of days of complete abstinence from food results in a pretty low calorie lent. I've always lost weight before Easter even before I started dieting.0 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
So the acne I never had (except briefly and mildly as a 13-14 year old, when I didn't consume much dairy at all) will clear up? Cool, totally worth it!
Probably not. You're probably already addicted so you'll never give up dairy.
Though I won't be so rude as to feel sorry for you about it.
I need to go to a support group for my dairy use. Last night I sold my last oreos for some 2% in the back alley.4 -
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
Caseinbrichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
What chemical? What makes it addictive?
Where the hell do you get that crap from?
It is common knowledge. Casein leads to caseomorphines which is an opoid like morphine and heroin.
It is why pizza is so addictive.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8169274
The rat study you are touting everywhere concludes it is not addictive: "Consequently, systemically administered beta-casomorphin has very limited or no reinforcing properties similar to those of morphine. Ingestion of milk products containing beta-casomorphin is not likely to become the focus of an addiction."
Okay, now I'm swinging back to "not a troll, just impressively stupid."
Well thank you. Finally someone who isn't calling me a troll.
I'm totally on the fence. I did give you an "awesome" when you made me LOL with the Kim Chi cannabalism, though.1 -
brichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
I did a plant-based diet for Lent one year (I normally just do vegetarian)--not Orthodox, just Catholic, so we have wimpy Lent. ;-) I did find that I lost weight without trying to, but my vegan friends have informed me that that's because I didn't do it long enough to get beyond the transition phase and find the replacement foods to eat/overeat. I have found that vegan restaurants, at least (which I go to with one vegan friend in particular) seem to have high cal foods and that if I wanted to I could overeat.
Anyway, I didn't feel better eating that way than any other way that is reasonably healthy (my plant-based diet was pretty healthy), and I did miss fish and dairy in particular, and my eggs at breakfast. I would do it for ethical reasons, if I were convinced of them, but the claims that I'd feel much better are no more accurate than similar claims for things like paleo or cutting out added sugar. I don't. But then I feel fine anyway.
Orthodox is pretty strict before Easter (lots of no oil and no cooked foods days). Christmas is easier. Only mondays are no oil no cooking. I lose quite a bit before Easter because without oil I have trouble even hitting minimum calories. Higher calorie items like beans and potatoes for example are not an option. On days called "strict fast" you actually eat nothing until 4 pm, so adding intermittent fasting to the already lower calorie diet and a couple of days of complete abstinence from food results in a pretty low calorie lent. I've always lost weight before Easter even before I started dieting.
Yeah, a good friend of mine is Greek, so I know it's pretty intense with the rules!0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
Caseinbrichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
What chemical? What makes it addictive?
Where the hell do you get that crap from?
It is common knowledge. Casein leads to caseomorphines which is an opoid like morphine and heroin.
It is why pizza is so addictive.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8169274
The rat study you are touting everywhere concludes it is not addictive: "Consequently, systemically administered beta-casomorphin has very limited or no reinforcing properties similar to those of morphine. Ingestion of milk products containing beta-casomorphin is not likely to become the focus of an addiction."
Okay, now I'm swinging back to "not a troll, just impressively stupid."
Well thank you. Finally someone who isn't calling me a troll.
I'm totally on the fence. I did give you an "awesome" when you made me LOL with the Kim Chi cannabalism, though.
gazebo was my personal fave.3 -
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I'm still liking the D&D comic strip. Although the gazebo effect was classic.0
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I don't know... the fact that he'd rather be called impressively stupid than a troll is pretty good too.3
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brichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
What chemical? What makes it addictive?
Vellocet, Synthemesc, and Drencrom. In large quantities, can lead to a bit of the old ultra-violence.
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All I have to do is think about how my spriti is confused by being a third level night elf, and I just lose it. I treasure that post.2 -
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htimpaired wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
So the acne I never had (except briefly and mildly as a 13-14 year old, when I didn't consume much dairy at all) will clear up? Cool, totally worth it!
Probably not. You're probably already addicted so you'll never give up dairy.
Though I won't be so rude as to feel sorry for you about it.
I need to go to a support group for my dairy use. Last night I sold my last oreos for some 2% in the back alley.
That's like selling your hair to buy a comb.4 -
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brichards_ wrote: »
Caseinbrichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
What chemical? What makes it addictive?
Please.
Casein is a protein.
If you want to be vegan go for it.
But making up garbage to try to pretend that milk is bad for people is not only dishonest but also makes you look clueless.6 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »htimpaired wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
So the acne I never had (except briefly and mildly as a 13-14 year old, when I didn't consume much dairy at all) will clear up? Cool, totally worth it!
Probably not. You're probably already addicted so you'll never give up dairy.
Though I won't be so rude as to feel sorry for you about it.
I need to go to a support group for my dairy use. Last night I sold my last oreos for some 2% in the back alley.
That's like selling your hair to buy a comb.
Now she'll never comb the dessert.
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »I'm still liking the D&D comic strip. Although the gazebo effect was classic.
All I have to do is think about how my spriti is confused by being a third level night elf, and I just lose it. I treasure that post.
Nigh elf? That sounds like it could lead to psychosomatic circadian rhythm disorders too.
Oops, you had critiqued the Dwarf Necromancer.0 -
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brichards_ wrote: »
find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.amusedmonkey wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »
I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.BillMcKay1 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »BillMcKay1 wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »brichards_ wrote: »Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.
If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.
Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.
Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.
Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.
What if you're not Northern European though?
Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
What chemical? What makes it addictive?
The same one The Colonel puts in his chicken to make you crave it fortnightly.
Wait...dairy has baking soda in it?3
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