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Is dairy good or bad?

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  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Of course.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    Alluminati wrote: »
    Sodium Bicarbonate. Dun dun dun.....

    One of my favorite pancake recipes has both sodium bicarbonate AND buttermilk in it.

    Instant. Death.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    Alluminati wrote: »
    Sodium Bicarbonate. Dun dun dun.....

    One of my favorite pancake recipes has both sodium bicarbonate AND buttermilk in it.

    Instant. Death.

    Admit it, you died years ago. No other possibility.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    Alluminati wrote: »
    Sodium Bicarbonate. Dun dun dun.....

    One of my favorite pancake recipes has both sodium bicarbonate AND buttermilk in it.

    Instant. Death.

    Admit it, you died years ago. No other possibility.

    I'm a zombie. I'm actually just trying this new approach to building my zombie army by promoting delicious recipes like "Mom's Famous Buttermilk Pancakes" on Allrecipes.com
  • mjwarbeck
    mjwarbeck Posts: 699 Member
    edited August 2016
    For me and my genetic lineage dairy is bad: cow milk protein intolerance. It is a pain in the butt...literally. When my kids were infants, if we gave milk to them, they had severe blistering in around their bum. As an adult, I know that if I have too much milk, I will actually bleed (not meant to be graphic). For my dad, when he cut out milk completely, the doctor was amazed at the difference between two colonoscopies a year apart....1000x improved.

    Anyway, for us it is a medical condition. And yes, I will have cream in a coffee (though I prefer espresso), I will still ice cream (though prefer sorbet) and will have eat cheeses....I just have to be careful of the amounts.
  • Mamatano
    Mamatano Posts: 24 Member
    I love dairy and i drink, eat and use it in my eating plan
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    amusedmonkey wrote: »
    Doctor Google never ceases to amaze!

    Thank you! Kale where it belongs as a decoration not a food!
  • French_Peasant
    French_Peasant Posts: 1,639 Member
    mjwarbeck wrote: »
    For me and my genetic lineage dairy is bad: cow milk protein intolerance. It is a pain in the butt...literally. When my kids were infants, if we gave milk to them, they had severe blistering in around their bum. As an adult, I know that if I have too much milk, I will actually bleed (not meant to be graphic). For my dad, when he cut out milk completely, the doctor was amazed at the difference between two colonoscopies a year apart....1000x improved.

    Anyway, for us it is a medical condition. And yes, I will have cream in a coffee (though I prefer espresso), I will still ice cream (though prefer sorbet) and will have eat cheeses....I just have to be careful of the amounts.

    So we can add "Ebola" to the list of diseases caused by Demon Milk. :)
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    brichards_ wrote: »
    RGv2 wrote: »
    brichards_ wrote: »
    amusedmonkey wrote: »
    brichards_ wrote: »
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    BillMcKay1 wrote: »
    brichards_ wrote: »
    ccrdragon wrote: »
    brichards_ wrote: »
    Dairy is bad. It can cause acne, and does for me. It can also be a big cause of constipation and bloating. It depleats the body of calium and can cause cancer. Plus on an ethical side it's bad. It is high in fat and has cholesterol in it which your body doesn't need or want.

    If it causes acne in your body, it it bad for YOU - that doesn't make it bad for everyone. Same goes for the bloating and constipation... as for the cancer reference, I would love to see a scientific study that links milk consumption to cancer.

    Also, your body needs both fat and cholesterol to survive... there are vitamins that your body cannot process without the presence of fat. And the links from dietary cholesterol to serum cholesterol (i.e. the amount in your blood) have all but been disproved in recent studies.

    Milk is not healthy. It causes diseases, and it does cause acne. You can research and see for yourself. The dairy industry pays a lot of money for advertisement and to cover the fact that they are unhealthy. I would parallel it to when doctors used to recommend smoking. The body does not need any extra cholesterol because it makes its own. I didn't say don't eat any fat, just eat lower fat, and less saturated and/or unnatural fat. Dairy, especially cheese contains more saturated fat than if think anyone would like to consume if they were being health conscious. Milk irritates your system, causing bloating and constipation due to the fact that humans aren't meant to consume a cows breast milk, they shouldn't still be breast feeding as teens and adults. Their bodies don't enjoy eating strange hormones and pus cells.

    Dairy does literally none of those things to me. Thank you northern european lactose tolerating genes. If you don't wish to consume dairy for your own principles, fine to each their own. Spreading false alarmist info is not cool.

    What if you're not Northern European though?

    Still doesn't make dairy bad. Just means if you are personally lactose intolerant, probably not the best for you. I can't eat Kimchi without severe repercussions, does that make Kimchi a horrible food that even people who can tolerate should stop eating? I also break out from Mangoes. Everyone should stop eating mangoes.
    I'm not lactose intolerant though. It's not made up stuff, though it doesn't seem to affect many people, if they stopped consuming dairy, they'd probably see good results.

    I eat vegan for more than a month twice a year. The only results I keep seeing is missing dairy and anxiously waiting to be able to eat it again.
    find dairy replacements. It's because there is a chemical in dairy that makes it literally addictive.

    Seriously, where are you getting your research from?
    Google and YouTube and Pinterest

    Try peer review scientific journals. The sources you mentioned are horribly one sided and tend to lack in rigor or quality. This is why you are getting flack for your opinions. There is no scientific evidence to back much of it up. Many people here are well read. Some are even scientists and others are health care workers.

    Yep, almost word for word what I was about to type.
  • French_Peasant
    French_Peasant Posts: 1,639 Member
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    Alluminati wrote: »
    Sodium Bicarbonate. Dun dun dun.....

    One of my favorite pancake recipes has both sodium bicarbonate AND buttermilk in it.

    Instant. Death.

    Admit it, you died years ago. No other possibility.

    Oh my, was it a dwarf necromancer that brought her back?
    Sometimes I wonder how many people might was well be zombies. Their diets, both physical and mental, leaving them the equivalent of walking dead.

    It's true.
  • saraha991
    saraha991 Posts: 4 Member
    Milk is good for baby cows. First word... baby.. milk is for babys are you are not a baby.... second word cow... you are not a cow.
    But moving away from simple logic. Just check out nutritionfacts.org for all the health problems related to consuming dairy
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    saraha991 wrote: »
    Milk is good for baby cows. First word... baby.. milk is for babys are you are not a baby.... second word cow... you are not a cow.
    But moving away from simple logic. Just check out nutritionfacts.org for all the health problems related to consuming dairy

    Seeds are meant for birds. Are you a bird?
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Bananas do not naturally grow in Illinois. Therefore, how could they be meant for people who live in Illinois? It's unnatural!
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Bananas do not naturally grow in Illinois. Therefore, how could they be meant for people who live in Illinois? It's unnatural!

    Or maybe living in Illinois is unnatural.

    Yup. Lincoln was born in Kentucky. He was an invasive species even in his own "Land of Lincoln."
  • edwardetr
    edwardetr Posts: 140 Member
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.

    In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.

    Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    edwardetr wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.

    In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.

    Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?

    And then they do these kind of mutations to them too for meat:
    mYHqxzt.jpg

    That cow is more jacked than 98% of MFP users. I want his stack.
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    edwardetr wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.

    In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.

    Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?

    And then they do these kind of mutations to them too for meat:
    mYHqxzt.jpg

    That cow is more jacked than 98% of MFP users. I want his stack.

    That's a Belgian Blue and their extreme muscling is due to a completely natural mutation which allows them to develop more muscle than typical cows and also inhibits fat deposits which is why they look so lean.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    edwardetr wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.

    In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.

    Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?

    And then they do these kind of mutations to them too for meat:
    mYHqxzt.jpg

    That cow is more jacked than 98% of MFP users. I want his stack.

    That's a Belgian Blue and their extreme muscling is due to a completely natural mutation which allows them to develop more muscle than typical cows and also inhibits fat deposits which is why they look so lean.

    Bah! I refuse to accept that a natty can be so jacked! He's gotta be on the juice! Am I Redditing right?
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    edwardetr wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.

    In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.

    Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?

    And then they do these kind of mutations to them too for meat:
    mYHqxzt.jpg

    That cow is more jacked than 98% of MFP users. I want his stack.

    It comes from a lack of Myostatin.
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    edwardetr wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.

    In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.

    Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?

    This. Is. Not. True.

    https://inuddernews.com/2016/01/30/milk-myths-debunked-part-3-dairy-is-scary-or-not/
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    edwardetr wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.

    In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.

    Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?

    And then they do these kind of mutations to them too for meat:
    mYHqxzt.jpg

    That cow is more jacked than 98% of MFP users. I want his stack.

    It comes from a lack of Myostatin.

    Lack? That doesn't even make sense. You're claiming there is a chemical in the body that naturally keeps you from getting more muscles. Monsanto should come up with better stories when they're making these things.

    That's what he's saying. And he's right.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    edwardetr wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.

    In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.

    Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?

    And then they do these kind of mutations to them too for meat:
    mYHqxzt.jpg

    That cow is more jacked than 98% of MFP users. I want his stack.

    It comes from a lack of Myostatin.

    Lack? That doesn't even make sense. You're claiming there is a chemical in the body that naturally keeps you from getting more muscles. Monsanto should come up with better stories when they're making these things.

    That's what he's saying. And he's right.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin

    Hmmm. Now to get my hands on some Follistatin.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited August 2016
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Bananas do not naturally grow in Illinois. Therefore, how could they be meant for people who live in Illinois? It's unnatural!

    Or maybe living in Illinois is unnatural.

    There were native Americans here long ago. Surely you aren't calling them unnatural. Maybe the mammoths (or whatever) should have built a HUGE wall over the Bering land bridge. Those on side with humans could have paid for that wall.
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    edwardetr wrote: »
    rankinsect wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    salembambi wrote: »
    bad for you

    & especially for the calf and mother cows

    That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.

    In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.

    Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?

    And then they do these kind of mutations to them too for meat:
    mYHqxzt.jpg

    That cow is more jacked than 98% of MFP users. I want his stack.

    It comes from a lack of Myostatin.

    Lack? That doesn't even make sense. You're claiming there is a chemical in the body that naturally keeps you from getting more muscles. Monsanto should come up with better stories when they're making these things.

    That's what he's saying. And he's right.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin

    So Monsanto is giving everyone a chemical to keep muscles from growing, just so they can make their cows look bigger by not putting it in them?

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