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Is dairy good or bad?
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »salembambi wrote: »bad for you
& especially for the calf and mother cows
That depends where you get your milk from. I buy local (the farm is 30 minutes from me), organic, grass fed milk.
In general dairy cattle are treated quite well - probably among the most pampered of farm animals. Better treated cows produce more milk per cow, and the milk is of better quality.
Have you ever heard a cow cry for days after her calf was taken away? They are kept in a constant state of lactation and are genetically modified to the point where their utters are so large that they could not even walk. How do you come to the conclusion that they are generally treated well?
And then they do these kind of mutations to them too for meat:
That cow is more jacked than 98% of MFP users. I want his stack.
It comes from a lack of Myostatin.
Lack? That doesn't even make sense. You're claiming there is a chemical in the body that naturally keeps you from getting more muscles. Monsanto should come up with better stories when they're making these things.
That's what he's saying. And he's right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin
So Monsanto is giving everyone a chemical to keep muscles from growing, just so they can make their cows look bigger by not putting it in them?
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good!
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Dairy is good. Dairy Queen now.. thats a whole other story.0
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futureicon wrote: »Dairy is good. Dairy Queen now.. thats a whole other story.
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Milk is bad
Milk stimulates growth of prostate cancer cells in culture.
Tate PL1, Bibb R, Larcom LL.
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1Healthcare Genetics Program, Department of Nursing, Clemson University, Clemson, South Carolina 29634, USA.
Abstract
Concern has been expressed about the fact that cows' milk contains estrogens and could stimulate the growth of hormone-sensitive tumors. In this study, organic cows' milk and two commercial substitutes were digested in vitro and tested for their effects on the growth of cultures of prostate and breast cancer cells. Cows' milk stimulated the growth of LNCaP prostate cancer cells in each of 14 separate experiments, producing an average increase in growth rate of over 30%. In contrast, almond milk suppressed the growth of these cells by over 30%. Neither cows' milk nor almond milk affected the growth of MCF-7 breast cancer cells or AsPC-1 pancreatic cancer cells significantly. Soy milk increased the growth rate of the breast cancer cells. These data indicate that prostate and breast cancer patients should be cautioned about the possible promotional effects of commercial dairy products and their substitutes.
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lcrampton44 wrote: »Milk is bad
Milk stimulates growth of prostate cancer cells in culture.
Tate PL1, Bibb R, Larcom LL.
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1Healthcare Genetics Program, Department of Nursing, Clemson University, Clemson, South Carolina 29634, USA.
Abstract
Concern has been expressed about the fact that cows' milk contains estrogens and could stimulate the growth of hormone-sensitive tumors. In this study, organic cows' milk and two commercial substitutes were digested in vitro and tested for their effects on the growth of cultures of prostate and breast cancer cells. Cows' milk stimulated the growth of LNCaP prostate cancer cells in each of 14 separate experiments, producing an average increase in growth rate of over 30%. In contrast, almond milk suppressed the growth of these cells by over 30%. Neither cows' milk nor almond milk affected the growth of MCF-7 breast cancer cells or AsPC-1 pancreatic cancer cells significantly. Soy milk increased the growth rate of the breast cancer cells. These data indicate that prostate and breast cancer patients should be cautioned about the possible promotional effects of commercial dairy products and their substitutes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22043817
You definitely need to stop injecting milk into your prostate cells...12 -
it's neither.
one thing it IS is delicious!0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »lcrampton44 wrote: »Milk is bad
Milk stimulates growth of prostate cancer cells in culture.
Tate PL1, Bibb R, Larcom LL.
Author information
1Healthcare Genetics Program, Department of Nursing, Clemson University, Clemson, South Carolina 29634, USA.
Abstract
Concern has been expressed about the fact that cows' milk contains estrogens and could stimulate the growth of hormone-sensitive tumors. In this study, organic cows' milk and two commercial substitutes were digested in vitro and tested for their effects on the growth of cultures of prostate and breast cancer cells. Cows' milk stimulated the growth of LNCaP prostate cancer cells in each of 14 separate experiments, producing an average increase in growth rate of over 30%. In contrast, almond milk suppressed the growth of these cells by over 30%. Neither cows' milk nor almond milk affected the growth of MCF-7 breast cancer cells or AsPC-1 pancreatic cancer cells significantly. Soy milk increased the growth rate of the breast cancer cells. These data indicate that prostate and breast cancer patients should be cautioned about the possible promotional effects of commercial dairy products and their substitutes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22043817
You definitely need to stop injecting milk into your prostate cells...
So wait...do milk enemas count? :-o2 -
lcrampton44 wrote: »Milk is bad
Milk stimulates growth of prostate cancer cells in culture.
Tate PL1, Bibb R, Larcom LL.
Author information
1Healthcare Genetics Program, Department of Nursing, Clemson University, Clemson, South Carolina 29634, USA.
Abstract
Concern has been expressed about the fact that cows' milk contains estrogens and could stimulate the growth of hormone-sensitive tumors. In this study, organic cows' milk and two commercial substitutes were digested in vitro and tested for their effects on the growth of cultures of prostate and breast cancer cells. Cows' milk stimulated the growth of LNCaP prostate cancer cells in each of 14 separate experiments, producing an average increase in growth rate of over 30%. In contrast, almond milk suppressed the growth of these cells by over 30%. Neither cows' milk nor almond milk affected the growth of MCF-7 breast cancer cells or AsPC-1 pancreatic cancer cells significantly. Soy milk increased the growth rate of the breast cancer cells. These data indicate that prostate and breast cancer patients should be cautioned about the possible promotional effects of commercial dairy products and their substitutes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22043817
Note that they did not state that it *caused* the cancer. They say that it may promote the growth of existing cancer, if that cancer is hormone-sensitive and gets a milk bath in a lab (likely exposing the cells to higher concentrations than would normally get to similar cells in the body in the same time period). There are a lot of other foods that contain estrogens, but milk and soy have the most.3 -
This study addresses moreso the development of cancer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/161253281
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Depends on your POV. I'm lactose intolerant so I stay away from drinking it, but I eat ice cream, cheese, and yogurt with little issue.
Dairy ISN'T needed in your diet, though.
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it is high in fat but if you stick to a portion, it is good.0
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katieann522 wrote: »it is high in fat but if you stick to a portion, it is good.
What if I drink skim milk?0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »katieann522 wrote: »it is high in fat but if you stick to a portion, it is good.
What if I drink skim milk?
You'll get Diet Cancer of the AIDS...or something.4 -
Dairy kicks *kitten*. End of story.1
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Packerjohn wrote: »Dairy kicks *kitten*. End of story.
That's horrible
No wonder some people hate it...3 -
nope its not meant for us but hey YU will not die i personaly never liked milk but today milk none should drink(Hormones,fat,puss,parasytes...)almond milk cashew milk so easy to make and its FREAKING DELICIOUS!!! ps dont buy make yourself its so easy to make 100 g of almonds and 500 ml of water 1 L milk even more sometimes
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »katieann522 wrote: »it is high in fat but if you stick to a portion, it is good.
What if I drink skim milk?
You'll get Diet Cancer of the AIDS...or something.
Yeah. And full-blown Aids, not just diet-HIV. Proper Aids.0 -
nope its not meant for us but hey YU will not die i personaly never liked milk but today milk none should drink(Hormones,fat,puss,parasytes...)almond milk cashew milk so easy to make and its FREAKING DELICIOUS!!! ps dont buy make yourself its so easy to make 100 g of almonds and 500 ml of water 1 L milk even more sometimes have fun
My, aren't you so blissfully misinformed.2 -
nope its not meant for us but hey YU will not die i personaly never liked milk but today milk none should drink(Hormones,fat,puss,parasytes...)almond milk cashew milk so easy to make and its FREAKING DELICIOUS!!! ps dont buy make yourself its so easy to make 100 g of almonds and 500 ml of water 1 L milk even more sometimes have fun
Are you Jesus, able to make 1 l and more out of 500 ml water and 100 g of almonds?5 -
nope its not meant for us but hey YU will not die i personaly never liked milk but today milk none should drink(Hormones,fat,puss,parasytes...)almond milk cashew milk so easy to make and its FREAKING DELICIOUS!!! ps dont buy make yourself its so easy to make 100 g of almonds and 500 ml of water 1 L milk even more sometimes have fun
Not to rain on your parade, but almonds attract bugs, as do most plants. Drinking bug parts, eggs or excrements in your almond milk is not uncommon. Using the yuck factor can often backfire. If people stopped to consider the yuck factor in every food they consume they'd turn breatharian. You will find hormone-like substances, parasites, bugs and fat in various plant foods too.
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What does it even mean to claim that milk is not MEANT for us. If we are able to be nourished by it (and many of us have the genes that allow that), how is it not meant for us in a way that other animals or animal products or plants we eat (like, say, cows themselves or chickens or deer or eggs or almonds or broccoli or bananas are)? This way of looking at it just makes no sense to me. If nothing else it presupposes intelligent design, which is a religious POV, but then doesn't finish out the argument.6
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Almonds aren't meant for us to eat, they're meant for becoming an almond tree.10
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nope its not meant for us but hey YU will not die i personaly never liked milk but today milk none should drink(Hormones,fat,puss,parasytes...)almond milk cashew milk so easy to make and its FREAKING DELICIOUS!!! ps dont buy make yourself its so easy to make 100 g of almonds and 500 ml of water 1 L milk even more sometimes have fun
Is this meant as a joke?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »What does it even mean to claim that milk is not MEANT for us. If we are able to be nourished by it (and many of us have the genes that allow that), how is it not meant for us in a way that other animals or animal products or plants we eat (like, say, cows themselves or chickens or deer or eggs or almonds or broccoli or bananas are)? This way of looking at it just makes no sense to me. If nothing else it presupposes intelligent design, which is a religious POV, but then doesn't finish out the argument.
Thanks for pointing that out. You've got it exactly right. To say we are not "meant" to do something is an explicitly religious argument. But these statements are always made implicitly and don't consider what else we are meant or not meant to do.
I'm totally on board with religious arguments, by the way, but I think they should be made honestly. From my point of view, "milk and honey" are good things. 4
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