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I think it's kind of cute when men twice my size with twice the daily physical activity get all concerned about the intake of small women (especially older, more sedentary women.) 1200 calories a day for me and women like me is not a large cut at all - it's a very, very moderate reduction in calories and less than a pound a week of weight loss. It's a very far cry from "starvation."
I know it's hard to realize for a person who maintains on 3000 calories a day that littler people just don't need that (and that the smaller you are, the fewer calories you burn from activity too - a 10K run for me might burn only 600 calories.) Like...I ride my bike to work, run 10-15K a few times a week (and 20+ once a week), and I still tend to maintain around 2000/day even with quite a bit of regular cardio. I'm just not very large and my body doesn't need as many calories as heavier people.
1200 calories per day is a very aggressive cut for some people, but I think you need to adjust your perspective and realize that for a short, lightish woman, 1500/day might actually be maintenance...know what I mean?
You do 50-65 kilometres every week and ride your bike to work every work day??
That's far, very far from sedentary. Are you saying that with all that you average around 1200 cals?
I do not have enough info based on what you have said but unless you are tiny (as in 3.7 feet then 1500 with all that activity sounds very low.
If you read back all my comments, I do explain that my comments are not fixed and fits all.
This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook3 -
I think it's kind of cute when men twice my size with twice the daily physical activity get all concerned about the intake of small women (especially older, more sedentary women.) 1200 calories a day for me and women like me is not a large cut at all - it's a very, very moderate reduction in calories and less than a pound a week of weight loss. It's a very far cry from "starvation."
I know it's hard to realize for a person who maintains on 3000 calories a day that littler people just don't need that (and that the smaller you are, the fewer calories you burn from activity too - a 10K run for me might burn only 600 calories.) Like...I ride my bike to work, run 10-15K a few times a week (and 20+ once a week), and I still tend to maintain around 2000/day even with quite a bit of regular cardio. I'm just not very large and my body doesn't need as many calories as heavier people.
1200 calories per day is a very aggressive cut for some people, but I think you need to adjust your perspective and realize that for a short, lightish woman, 1500/day might actually be maintenance...know what I mean?
You do 50-65 kilometres every week and ride your bike to work every work day??
That's far, very far from sedentary. Are you saying that with all that you average around 1200 cals?
I do not have enough info based on what you have said but unless you are tiny (as in 3.7 feet then 1500 with all that activity sounds very low.
If you read back all my comments, I do explain that my comments are not fixed and fits all.
This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook
You're not gonna be able to save them all, unfortunately haha!2 -
RelevantGains wrote: »I think it's kind of cute when men twice my size with twice the daily physical activity get all concerned about the intake of small women (especially older, more sedentary women.) 1200 calories a day for me and women like me is not a large cut at all - it's a very, very moderate reduction in calories and less than a pound a week of weight loss. It's a very far cry from "starvation."
I know it's hard to realize for a person who maintains on 3000 calories a day that littler people just don't need that (and that the smaller you are, the fewer calories you burn from activity too - a 10K run for me might burn only 600 calories.) Like...I ride my bike to work, run 10-15K a few times a week (and 20+ once a week), and I still tend to maintain around 2000/day even with quite a bit of regular cardio. I'm just not very large and my body doesn't need as many calories as heavier people.
1200 calories per day is a very aggressive cut for some people, but I think you need to adjust your perspective and realize that for a short, lightish woman, 1500/day might actually be maintenance...know what I mean?
You do 50-65 kilometres every week and ride your bike to work every work day??
That's far, very far from sedentary. Are you saying that with all that you average around 1200 cals?
I do not have enough info based on what you have said but unless you are tiny (as in 3.7 feet then 1500 with all that activity sounds very low.
If you read back all my comments, I do explain that my comments are not fixed and fits all.
This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook
You're not gonna be able to save them all, unfortunately haha!
One at a time my friend...one at a time2 -
I guess exercising for 2.5 hours a day could be considered too much. But as a short woman, I enjoy eating 1600 calories while losing weight. All be it only at a 350calorie deficit p/day.
But then, lifting weights and walking long, long distances is really fun, and it's more of an activity than exercise, if that makes sense. Especially considering I sit on my butt studying the rest of the day, Lol.4 -
This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook
So you come on here to lecture people about giving bad information (without providing links to examples) and the one thread you post in a couple of times per day takes up too much of your time? I'm all for improving the quality of information on here and providing useful/realistic steps to help others achieve their goals. I know several people in this thread who have adopted noobs, created informational threads that were pinned by the site as references, and who spend hours every day giving solid resources on how to create sustainable plans. I created one of the top referenced threads on here and I know I've changed many lives over the 2,000 days I have been here.14 -
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I am not here to diet, I am here to change my life. It includes low carb, high fat *sarcastic gasp* and a calorie deficit of 1400 or so. It's a struggle because of how I was raised and how I see food, but if I can have only 4 problem days out of 30, I think I'm doing something right.2
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You do you, everyone else can do themselves. Why worry yourself ever what others do. It's unnecessary stress and anger.3
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This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook
So you come on here to lecture people about giving bad information (without providing links to examples) and the one thread you post in a couple of times per day takes up too much of your time? I'm all for improving the quality of information on here and providing useful/realistic steps to help others achieve their goals. I know several people in this thread who have adopted noobs, created informational threads that were pinned by the site as references, and who spend hours every day giving solid resources on how to create sustainable plans. I created one of the top referenced threads on here and I know I've changed many lives over the 2,000 days I have been here.
Well you certainly aren't talking about me. So i will just keep on moving.
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This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook
So you come on here to lecture people about giving bad information (without providing links to examples) and the one thread you post in a couple of times per day takes up too much of your time? I'm all for improving the quality of information on here and providing useful/realistic steps to help others achieve their goals. I know several people in this thread who have adopted noobs, created informational threads that were pinned by the site as references, and who spend hours every day giving solid resources on how to create sustainable plans. I created one of the top referenced threads on here and I know I've changed many lives over the 2,000 days I have been here.
Well you certainly aren't talking about me. So i will just keep on moving.
@psulemon definitely not talking about mods. Especially not ones who put up with the broscience in the gaining weight section. :laugh:0 -
This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook
So you come on here to lecture people about giving bad information (without providing links to examples) and the one thread you post in a couple of times per day takes up too much of your time? I'm all for improving the quality of information on here and providing useful/realistic steps to help others achieve their goals. I know several people in this thread who have adopted noobs, created informational threads that were pinned by the site as references, and who spend hours every day giving solid resources on how to create sustainable plans. I created one of the top referenced threads on here and I know I've changed many lives over the 2,000 days I have been here.
Well you certainly aren't talking about me. So i will just keep on moving.
@psulemon definitely not talking about mods. Especially not ones who put up with the broscience in the gaining weight section. :laugh:
Am I missing something here?0 -
This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook
So you come on here to lecture people about giving bad information (without providing links to examples) and the one thread you post in a couple of times per day takes up too much of your time? I'm all for improving the quality of information on here and providing useful/realistic steps to help others achieve their goals. I know several people in this thread who have adopted noobs, created informational threads that were pinned by the site as references, and who spend hours every day giving solid resources on how to create sustainable plans. I created one of the top referenced threads on here and I know I've changed many lives over the 2,000 days I have been here.
Well you certainly aren't talking about me. So i will just keep on moving.
@psulemon definitely not talking about mods. Especially not ones who put up with the broscience in the gaining weight section. :laugh:
Am I missing something here?
If you were an active member of the forums you would understand the valuable contribution made by people like @psulemon and @usmcmp
To get back to your debate though.
I'm happy to describe what I eat as my diet (noun).
When I was losing weight I was also happy to say I went on a diet (verb).
I followed a style of eating called the Fast Diet (fast as in fasting not fast as in speed), commonly called the 5:2 Diet. None of that has any negative connotations to me. Just an easily understood use of appropriate words.
I actually get irritated by the phrase "lifestyle change".
I didn't change my lifestyle, I just had a period of moderate calorie restriction to reduce my fat. My lifestyle hasn't changed, I'm still a desk slave who enjoys good food and hard exercise, I just do that in a healthier, fitter, stronger, leaner body.
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I think it's kind of cute when men twice my size with twice the daily physical activity get all concerned about the intake of small women (especially older, more sedentary women.) 1200 calories a day for me and women like me is not a large cut at all - it's a very, very moderate reduction in calories and less than a pound a week of weight loss. It's a very far cry from "starvation."
I know it's hard to realize for a person who maintains on 3000 calories a day that littler people just don't need that (and that the smaller you are, the fewer calories you burn from activity too - a 10K run for me might burn only 600 calories.) Like...I ride my bike to work, run 10-15K a few times a week (and 20+ once a week), and I still tend to maintain around 2000/day even with quite a bit of regular cardio. I'm just not very large and my body doesn't need as many calories as heavier people.
1200 calories per day is a very aggressive cut for some people, but I think you need to adjust your perspective and realize that for a short, lightish woman, 1500/day might actually be maintenance...know what I mean?
You do 50-65 kilometres every week and ride your bike to work every work day??
That's far, very far from sedentary. Are you saying that with all that you average around 1200 cals?
I do not have enough info based on what you have said but unless you are tiny (as in 3.7 feet then 1500 with all that activity sounds very low.
If you read back all my comments, I do explain that my comments are not fixed and fits all.
This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook
OK, you started this off with an admitted rant. I'm going to take that as permission to rant a little myself.
As @peleroja said: I, too, am absolutely sick of larger (usually) male people coming in, not doing their bleepin' homework, and telling smaller, older women that they're not smart enough to know how much to eat. Yeah, some aren't eating enough. And some are. Do the math before you tell people they don't know what they're doing!
In this case, even reading comprehension seems to have flown out the window. You ask @peleroja if she's doing all that exercise, and eating at 1200. She already told you she's maintaining at 2000. She also said that 1200 is a moderate calorie deficit for some people, and not demographically ridiculous outliers, either. This is also true.
At 60 years old, 5'5", 120 pounds (which is a rational weight on my body, ThankYouVeryMuch), the calculators put my BMR around 1200, and my sedentary TDEE at 1400-1500. (Note: This is not 3.7 feet tall. This is average height, within the healthy BMI range, at a weight my doctor endorsed as acceptable for me.)
Fifty pounds ago, when I weighed 170, those numbers were BMR at around 1400, and sedentary TDEE at around 1700.
Where, oracle of wisdom, should the former 170-pound me have set my calorie goal? 1200 would be a pound a week, according to the calculators, if I remained sedentary. One pound a week would be less than 1% of my body weight, and with 50 pounds to lose, not a crazy deficit level.
Yes, in real life, I would exercise and get more calories. But not everyone, at age 60, is going to be able to do a big bundle of that right off, because, oh, hip replacements'n'stuff. And either way, 1 pound a week is still 1200 net.
Really, truly, I appreciate that (some) big, young people are concerned that little, old people might undereat. If we did, it would be a Bad Thing. But please don't tell us how stupid & wrong-headed we are until you at least run the calculators, and do the math. It's just insulting.21 -
Appreciating.
Overtime you will notice its the same few posters who are
a)easily offended
b)will argue for the sake of being PC
c)least openminded and stuck in the processed food + CICO bubble
Ignore them and don't let those few stop you from voicing your opinions
So true based what I have seen over the past two years but their numbers seem to be dropping.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Appreciating.
Overtime you will notice its the same few posters who are
a)easily offended
b)will argue for the sake of being PC
c)least openminded and stuck in the processed food + CICO bubble
Ignore them and don't let those few stop you from voicing your opinions
So true based what I have seen over the past two years but their numbers seem to be dropping.
What's funny is: I had a completely different group of posters in mind until point C. I could absolutely change point C to that group as well and the shoe would fit just the same, if not better.
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Appreciating.
Overtime you will notice its the same few posters who are
a)easily offended
b)will argue for the sake of being PC
c)least openminded and stuck in the processed food + CICO bubble
Ignore them and don't let those few stop you from voicing your opinions
Are you suggesting that:
a) CICO doesn't work, and
b) those who choose to include a moderate amount of 'processed food' (whatever that means) in their overall diet while successfully remaining in a deficit are somehow close-minded, easily offended and should be ignored simply because their methods don't match yours?
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Some people will never make life style change because they don't have the cents for it.
How many cents does it cost?3 -
I think it's kind of cute when men twice my size with twice the daily physical activity get all concerned about the intake of small women (especially older, more sedentary women.) 1200 calories a day for me and women like me is not a large cut at all - it's a very, very moderate reduction in calories and less than a pound a week of weight loss. It's a very far cry from "starvation."
I know it's hard to realize for a person who maintains on 3000 calories a day that littler people just don't need that (and that the smaller you are, the fewer calories you burn from activity too - a 10K run for me might burn only 600 calories.) Like...I ride my bike to work, run 10-15K a few times a week (and 20+ once a week), and I still tend to maintain around 2000/day even with quite a bit of regular cardio. I'm just not very large and my body doesn't need as many calories as heavier people.
1200 calories per day is a very aggressive cut for some people, but I think you need to adjust your perspective and realize that for a short, lightish woman, 1500/day might actually be maintenance...know what I mean?
You do 50-65 kilometres every week and ride your bike to work every work day??
That's far, very far from sedentary. Are you saying that with all that you average around 1200 cals?
I do not have enough info based on what you have said but unless you are tiny (as in 3.7 feet then 1500 with all that activity sounds very low.
If you read back all my comments, I do explain that my comments are not fixed and fits all.
This app is taking up more of my time then Facebook
I said pretty clearly in my post that I am maintaining around 2000/day (I do eat a little more on my long run day only). However, my maintenance without the running I do is more like 1500/day.
When I was losing weight, I was less active than I am now and I needed to eat 1200/day to lose less than a pound per week because my BMR was simply much lower than someone larger/heavier.
I'm not super tiny -5'4", 118 lbs - so I know that there are lots of women my size and smaller out there in the same situation and it just makes me crazy to see people going off around here about starvation etc.
@AnnPT77 pretty much addressed anything else I would have said.6
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