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GaleHawkins wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »ominousdusk wrote: »Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this.
Wow thank you for your insight. i didn't know how easy it was!! Someone call the media this man has found the solution to weight loss for every single person in the world! To those like me who don't overeat, are active, and still overweight. you must not be trying hard enough I guess.
If you're gaining weight you have been overeating above what your body needs, sorry to say. Laws of physics can't be circumvented, 1 pound of fat contains 3500 calories and those have to have gotten in there somehow.
True. But when you have certain health conditions, "above what your body needs" sometimes means more than 500 calories a day. So ... what do you suggest to those of use in that boat? Because for many years, if I eat more than that -- regardless of how much exercise I do -- I gain weight. Or at best, I maintain.
Yes, I use a food scale and measuring cups and spoons. I can lose weight if I starve myself. I can't lose weight if I don't. It isn't sustainable to eat below 1,000 calories a day. Please advise, master.
There is no medical condition able to make your calorie needs go down to 500 a day. That's newborn baby amounts.
Yes, dear. Yes, there is. I have one of them. But you're all-knowing so I bow to you. You know more than my endocrinologist, apparently.
I don't understand how it's physically possible (and I really mean "not possible because physics") for a human body to maintain essential organ function for 24 hours with just 500 calories. That's a BMR of 21 calories per hour. That simply defies my (admittedly basic) understanding of physics to a level where I'm comfortable saying that your numbers must be incorrect.
And if not, your numbers are so anomalous that they are irrelevant to 99.999999% of others...(and I'm fairly certain I'm at least another six 9's short in that too).
content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2013137,00.html
These 33 guys made it 17 days on a lot less than 500 calories daily. People have done 40 day water fasts.
It just is not healthy on many levels. The body has many sub systems that come on line to try and keep itself alive. Prisoner camps of the past is another example.
After 40 years of yo yo diets in Oct 2014 I decided never to 'diet' again because it had about killed me. By accident (cold turkey stopped sugar and all grains to try and manage joint pain) I found a macro that would let me eat all that I wanted to eat yet lose fat and gain muscle. While later I learned it was LCHF it might HCLF macro that works for another.
There is a huge difference between "making it 17 days" and having caloric needs of 500 calories. If someone's TDEE is 500 calories. They could eat 500 calories every day for the next 13505 days and not lose one pound.
Really?4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »ominousdusk wrote: »Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this.
Wow thank you for your insight. i didn't know how easy it was!! Someone call the media this man has found the solution to weight loss for every single person in the world! To those like me who don't overeat, are active, and still overweight. you must not be trying hard enough I guess.
If you're gaining weight you have been overeating above what your body needs, sorry to say. Laws of physics can't be circumvented, 1 pound of fat contains 3500 calories and those have to have gotten in there somehow.
True. But when you have certain health conditions, "above what your body needs" sometimes means more than 500 calories a day. So ... what do you suggest to those of use in that boat? Because for many years, if I eat more than that -- regardless of how much exercise I do -- I gain weight. Or at best, I maintain.
Yes, I use a food scale and measuring cups and spoons. I can lose weight if I starve myself. I can't lose weight if I don't. It isn't sustainable to eat below 1,000 calories a day. Please advise, master.
There is no medical condition able to make your calorie needs go down to 500 a day. That's newborn baby amounts.
Yes, dear. Yes, there is. I have one of them. But you're all-knowing so I bow to you. You know more than my endocrinologist, apparently.
I don't understand how it's physically possible (and I really mean "not possible because physics") for a human body to maintain essential organ function for 24 hours with just 500 calories. That's a BMR of 21 calories per hour. That simply defies my (admittedly basic) understanding of physics to a level where I'm comfortable saying that your numbers must be incorrect.
And if not, your numbers are so anomalous that they are irrelevant to 99.999999% of others...(and I'm fairly certain I'm at least another six 9's short in that too).
content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2013137,00.html
These 33 guys made it 17 days on a lot less than 500 calories daily. People have done 40 day water fasts.
It just is not healthy on many levels. The body has many sub systems that come on line to try and keep itself alive. Prisoner camps of the past is another example.
After 40 years of yo yo diets in Oct 2014 I decided never to 'diet' again because it had about killed me. By accident (cold turkey stopped sugar and all grains to try and manage joint pain) I found a macro that would let me eat all that I wanted to eat yet lose fat and gain muscle. While later I learned it was LCHF it might HCLF macro that works for another.
There is a huge difference between "making it 17 days" and having caloric needs of 500 calories. If someone's TDEE is 500 calories. They could eat 500 calories every day for the next 13505 days and not lose one pound.
Really?
Sorry but I was responding to @jofjltncb6 post.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »ominousdusk wrote: »Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this.
Wow thank you for your insight. i didn't know how easy it was!! Someone call the media this man has found the solution to weight loss for every single person in the world! To those like me who don't overeat, are active, and still overweight. you must not be trying hard enough I guess.
If you're gaining weight you have been overeating above what your body needs, sorry to say. Laws of physics can't be circumvented, 1 pound of fat contains 3500 calories and those have to have gotten in there somehow.
True. But when you have certain health conditions, "above what your body needs" sometimes means more than 500 calories a day. So ... what do you suggest to those of use in that boat? Because for many years, if I eat more than that -- regardless of how much exercise I do -- I gain weight. Or at best, I maintain.
Yes, I use a food scale and measuring cups and spoons. I can lose weight if I starve myself. I can't lose weight if I don't. It isn't sustainable to eat below 1,000 calories a day. Please advise, master.
There is no medical condition able to make your calorie needs go down to 500 a day. That's newborn baby amounts.
Yes, dear. Yes, there is. I have one of them. But you're all-knowing so I bow to you. You know more than my endocrinologist, apparently.
I don't understand how it's physically possible (and I really mean "not possible because physics") for a human body to maintain essential organ function for 24 hours with just 500 calories. That's a BMR of 21 calories per hour. That simply defies my (admittedly basic) understanding of physics to a level where I'm comfortable saying that your numbers must be incorrect.
And if not, your numbers are so anomalous that they are irrelevant to 99.999999% of others...(and I'm fairly certain I'm at least another six 9's short in that too).
content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2013137,00.html
These 33 guys made it 17 days on a lot less than 500 calories daily. People have done 40 day water fasts.
It just is not healthy on many levels. The body has many sub systems that come on line to try and keep itself alive. Prisoner camps of the past is another example.
After 40 years of yo yo diets in Oct 2014 I decided never to 'diet' again because it had about killed me. By accident (cold turkey stopped sugar and all grains to try and manage joint pain) I found a macro that would let me eat all that I wanted to eat yet lose fat and gain muscle. While later I learned it was LCHF it might HCLF macro that works for another.
There is a huge difference between "making it 17 days" and having caloric needs of 500 calories. If someone's TDEE is 500 calories. They could eat 500 calories every day for the next 13505 days and not lose one pound.
Really?
Sorry but I was responding to @jofjltncb6 post.
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No one said the word diet is harmful, and thanks for always ongoing opinion.
Why argue that people shouldn't use the term or that it leads to regaining then? That sounds like you are claiming it's detrimental (which I think=harmful)."Diet" related to fitness doesn't just mean what a person eats. If you believe that you would not be able to use the sentence like this as it would make no sense. "How long do you diet for?" How long do you eat for, that won't work.
No, of course not. It has multiple meanings. It means "the way a person or people eat" and "eating fewer calories than maintenance in order to lose weight." Neither implies what the OP seems to have assumed (or that the person is a yo yo dieter or New Years resolutioner only).The rest of what you wrote is just opinion, doesn't make it wrong or right just opinion and everyone has one.
Not sure what you think you are adding to the discussion with this, but yes, we are all sharing our opinions. I'm not the one who claimed that if you "diet" you are more likely to regain.Lastly the dictionary doesn't determine how people use slang, and how things change like the word gay has changed over the years.
It doesn't "determine" it, no. It does describe it. But we aren't talking about slang. We are talking about a word that has two meanings, neither, on its own being "starvation diet" or "fad diet" or "yo yo dieter" or the like. That's why you need those adjectives!
What's the point of claiming that when people use the term "diet" they mean certain things that quite frequently they do not mean? I'm not saying you should use the term (I hate "journey" and wouldn't use it to mean "losing weight," but if that floats someone else's boat, well, cool!). All I'm saying is that it's not accurate to claim that the difference between using "lifestyle change" and "diet" is not success vs. failure.3 -
stevencloser wrote: »ominousdusk wrote: »Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this.
Wow thank you for your insight. i didn't know how easy it was!! Someone call the media this man has found the solution to weight loss for every single person in the world! To those like me who don't overeat, are active, and still overweight. you must not be trying hard enough I guess.
If you're gaining weight you have been overeating above what your body needs, sorry to say. Laws of physics can't be circumvented, 1 pound of fat contains 3500 calories and those have to have gotten in there somehow.
Bubble baths. <nods>8 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »
When you eat so little that your fat cells defend themselves against further loses and lower your metabolism. I think the scientific term adoptive thermogenetics because your body adopts the thermo genetics of people who are used to living near starvation, and therefore produces less hormones to burn fat, and even causes fat gain on a deficit.jofjltncb6 wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »ominousdusk wrote: »Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this.
Wow thank you for your insight. i didn't know how easy it was!! Someone call the media this man has found the solution to weight loss for every single person in the world! To those like me who don't overeat, are active, and still overweight. you must not be trying hard enough I guess.
If you're gaining weight you have been overeating above what your body needs, sorry to say. Laws of physics can't be circumvented, 1 pound of fat contains 3500 calories and those have to have gotten in there somehow.
True. But when you have certain health conditions, "above what your body needs" sometimes means more than 500 calories a day. So ... what do you suggest to those of use in that boat? Because for many years, if I eat more than that -- regardless of how much exercise I do -- I gain weight. Or at best, I maintain.
Yes, I use a food scale and measuring cups and spoons. I can lose weight if I starve myself. I can't lose weight if I don't. It isn't sustainable to eat below 1,000 calories a day. Please advise, master.
There is no medical condition able to make your calorie needs go down to 500 a day. That's newborn baby amounts.
Yes, dear. Yes, there is. I have one of them. But you're all-knowing so I bow to you. You know more than my endocrinologist, apparently.
Do you have permanent starvation mode? I know so many people end up having issues because they enter starvation mode, but I think usually whole foods can fix that.
What is "starvation mode"?
They studied it around WWI with the Milwaukee Starvation Experiment.
in the minnesota starvation experiment they did not gain fat and they were not really starved so to speak they were given less than 1800 calories(according to one article another sites less than 1500,but they were burning at least 1000 calories so if its the former thats 800 calories-very low calorie), if you look at the pics there is no fat on these people. and adoptive thermogenesis is a whole lot different than what you mentioned. people in 3rd world countries dont retain fat or gain it. starvation does not work that way,once your body is not getting enough food it turns to fat and muscle. their protruding bellies(like those in Ethiopia) is caused from being malnourished and other deficiencies.2 -
People that tend to fit with the "diet term" often are those that bulk and cut over and over spinning their wheels, looking good only half a year. They have short term goals like gaining 5 pounds losing 5 pounds, and may sign up at a gym for a New Year resolution!
I don't that term means what you think it means.
Bulking and cutting isn't gaining and losing 5 pounds and it sure as heck isn't something by someone who signs up for the gym as a New Year Resolution. Bulking and cutting is a method used by people who follow progressive lifting routines day after day, week after week, year after year. It's a method to add lean mass and if someone who bulks and cuts only looks good half the year they're doing it wrong.
Just because someone says they're bulking doesn't mean they are using the term correctly.6 -
People that tend to fit with the "diet term" often are those that bulk and cut over and over spinning their wheels, looking good only half a year. They have short term goals like gaining 5 pounds losing 5 pounds, and may sign up at a gym for a New Year resolution!
I don't that term means what you think it means.
Bulking and cutting isn't gaining and losing 5 pounds and it sure as heck isn't something by someone who signs up for the gym as a New Year Resolution. Bulking and cutting is a method used by people who follow progressive lifting routines day after day, week after week, year after year. It's a method to add lean mass and if someone who bulks and cuts only looks good half the year they're doing it wrong.
Just because someone says they're bulking doesn't mean they are using the term correctly.
More like yo-yoing!1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »ominousdusk wrote: »Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this.
Wow thank you for your insight. i didn't know how easy it was!! Someone call the media this man has found the solution to weight loss for every single person in the world! To those like me who don't overeat, are active, and still overweight. you must not be trying hard enough I guess.
If you're gaining weight you have been overeating above what your body needs, sorry to say. Laws of physics can't be circumvented, 1 pound of fat contains 3500 calories and those have to have gotten in there somehow.
True. But when you have certain health conditions, "above what your body needs" sometimes means more than 500 calories a day. So ... what do you suggest to those of use in that boat? Because for many years, if I eat more than that -- regardless of how much exercise I do -- I gain weight. Or at best, I maintain.
Yes, I use a food scale and measuring cups and spoons. I can lose weight if I starve myself. I can't lose weight if I don't. It isn't sustainable to eat below 1,000 calories a day. Please advise, master.
There is no medical condition able to make your calorie needs go down to 500 a day. That's newborn baby amounts.
Yes, dear. Yes, there is. I have one of them. But you're all-knowing so I bow to you. You know more than my endocrinologist, apparently.
I don't understand how it's physically possible (and I really mean "not possible because physics") for a human body to maintain essential organ function for 24 hours with just 500 calories. That's a BMR of 21 calories per hour. That simply defies my (admittedly basic) understanding of physics to a level where I'm comfortable saying that your numbers must be incorrect.
And if not, your numbers are so anomalous that they are irrelevant to 99.999999% of others...(and I'm fairly certain I'm at least another six 9's short in that too).
content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2013137,00.html
These 33 guys made it 17 days on a lot less than 500 calories daily. People have done 40 day water fasts.
It just is not healthy on many levels. The body has many sub systems that come on line to try and keep itself alive. Prisoner camps of the past is another example.
After 40 years of yo yo diets in Oct 2014 I decided never to 'diet' again because it had about killed me. By accident (cold turkey stopped sugar and all grains to try and manage joint pain) I found a macro that would let me eat all that I wanted to eat yet lose fat and gain muscle. While later I learned it was LCHF it might HCLF macro that works for another.
And those guys lost a lot of weight. They didn't maintain an overweight state on 500 daily calories. Because it's impossible.
If I eat 300 calories one day but the scale says I didn't gain or lose any weight in that same 24 hour period, I can't claim that I maintain at 300 calorie TDEE. That isn't how this works.
Or said another way:
"There is a huge difference between "making it 17 days" and having caloric needs of 500 calories. If someone's TDEE is 500 calories. They could eat 500 calories every day for the next 13505 days and not lose one pound.
Really?"2 -
stevencloser wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »ominousdusk wrote: »Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this.
Wow thank you for your insight. i didn't know how easy it was!! Someone call the media this man has found the solution to weight loss for every single person in the world! To those like me who don't overeat, are active, and still overweight. you must not be trying hard enough I guess.
If you're gaining weight you have been overeating above what your body needs, sorry to say. Laws of physics can't be circumvented, 1 pound of fat contains 3500 calories and those have to have gotten in there somehow.
True. But when you have certain health conditions, "above what your body needs" sometimes means more than 500 calories a day. So ... what do you suggest to those of use in that boat? Because for many years, if I eat more than that -- regardless of how much exercise I do -- I gain weight. Or at best, I maintain.
Yes, I use a food scale and measuring cups and spoons. I can lose weight if I starve myself. I can't lose weight if I don't. It isn't sustainable to eat below 1,000 calories a day. Please advise, master.
There is no medical condition able to make your calorie needs go down to 500 a day. That's newborn baby amounts.
Yes, dear. Yes, there is. I have one of them. But you're all-knowing so I bow to you. You know more than my endocrinologist, apparently.
I don't understand how it's physically possible (and I really mean "not possible because physics") for a human body to maintain essential organ function for 24 hours with just 500 calories. That's a BMR of 21 calories per hour. That simply defies my (admittedly basic) understanding of physics to a level where I'm comfortable saying that your numbers must be incorrect.
And if not, your numbers are so anomalous that they are irrelevant to 99.999999% of others...(and I'm fairly certain I'm at least another six 9's short in that too).
content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2013137,00.html
These 33 guys made it 17 days on a lot less than 500 calories daily. People have done 40 day water fasts.
It just is not healthy on many levels. The body has many sub systems that come on line to try and keep itself alive. Prisoner camps of the past is another example.
After 40 years of yo yo diets in Oct 2014 I decided never to 'diet' again because it had about killed me. By accident (cold turkey stopped sugar and all grains to try and manage joint pain) I found a macro that would let me eat all that I wanted to eat yet lose fat and gain muscle. While later I learned it was LCHF it might HCLF macro that works for another.
There is a huge difference between "making it 17 days" and having caloric needs of 500 calories. If someone's TDEE is 500 calories. They could eat 500 calories every day for the next 13505 days and not lose one pound.
Really?
Sorry but I was responding to @jofjltncb6 post.
And you misunderstood him.
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »ominousdusk wrote: »Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this.
Wow thank you for your insight. i didn't know how easy it was!! Someone call the media this man has found the solution to weight loss for every single person in the world! To those like me who don't overeat, are active, and still overweight. you must not be trying hard enough I guess.
If you're gaining weight you have been overeating above what your body needs, sorry to say. Laws of physics can't be circumvented, 1 pound of fat contains 3500 calories and those have to have gotten in there somehow.
True. But when you have certain health conditions, "above what your body needs" sometimes means more than 500 calories a day. So ... what do you suggest to those of use in that boat? Because for many years, if I eat more than that -- regardless of how much exercise I do -- I gain weight. Or at best, I maintain.
Yes, I use a food scale and measuring cups and spoons. I can lose weight if I starve myself. I can't lose weight if I don't. It isn't sustainable to eat below 1,000 calories a day. Please advise, master.
There is no medical condition able to make your calorie needs go down to 500 a day. That's newborn baby amounts.
Yes, dear. Yes, there is. I have one of them. But you're all-knowing so I bow to you. You know more than my endocrinologist, apparently.
I don't understand how it's physically possible (and I really mean "not possible because physics") for a human body to maintain essential organ function for 24 hours with just 500 calories. That's a BMR of 21 calories per hour. That simply defies my (admittedly basic) understanding of physics to a level where I'm comfortable saying that your numbers must be incorrect.
And if not, your numbers are so anomalous that they are irrelevant to 99.999999% of others...(and I'm fairly certain I'm at least another six 9's short in that too).
So you're telling me there's a chance?
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I understand what you were saying in your op @d4_54 I myself don't like to say "diet', I say this is my lifestyle, I eat healthy. I eat a lot of calories compared to most women. They're all healthy calories for the most part. I do say "cheat meal" or "cheat day" that's just ingrained and a word I use. It drives me nuts when females restrict calories in an unhealthy way, go no carb, refuse to use weights because they think they'll get big or bulky and do tons of cardio. Lift those weights ladies! Muscle burns fat 24/7. Calories and carbs are not the devil as long as you're eating healthy cals and carbs. I wish I'd known that I could eat like this back when I was a teen, 20's etc. I used to restrict cals and would have been so much happier eating as much as I do now.
Same here. I wasted so many years caught in the restriction and binge cycle. Only to end up fatter each time. Now I eat enough and I am happier then ever. Not walking around tired and hungry.1 -
Fine. From now on I'm not gonna say the word "diet", I will replace the word with "Enrique Iglesias". That way I can tell people I'm on Enrique Iglesias and will be for awhile.6
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