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  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited August 2016
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    wolvinnetje wrote: »
    d4_54 wrote: »
    I can't believe that people are still even using the word diet. This is a rant but I am willing to debate. If you excessively cut calories and starve yourself and add to this with excessive exercise you will regain any weight you lose. You will waste your life in your head and in the gym.

    Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this. If you are doing this and feel crap it's probably not the weight that is upsetting you.

    The rubbish I am hearing about cheat days and 1200 calories and no carbs is ridiculous. Seriously. I love you all but the food and body is not the problem. It's a problem you have created to avoid another problem.

    Energy balance and trying to enjoy everyday. Do not give the pass anymore of your time and expect no less then a positive future. This is the bit you should focus on. Not the amount of cals in your coffee.

    Rant over. I am actually a nice guy but seriously I feel like I am in the matrix with some of you.

    This is far from aggresive if people feel this as aggresive it is there problem.
    And that stupid remark of how many post you did what the hell has this to do with?
    Everybody project everything on themselves why?

    Uh, did the OP not say -- even in what you quote -- that it was a rant and that he was up for a debate? He's being called on the rant (rants usually ARE a rather aggressive take on the world, by their nature) and people are debating.

    I have no negative feelings at all about OP, but am not in agreement with everything he said, so responded (nicely, I think). Others are doing the same. Trying to stifle disagreement on the debate thread, on the other hand, is puzzling.
    These days you can't have a honest opinion and you have to go with the majority so stupid!
    I totally agree with you .......all the "superfood" !@#$%^& and diet stuff at the moment it makes you crazy if you read everything.

    I'm with you on superfoods. Super annoying buzzword, you mean! There's a really tasty salad at a place near my office I like to get sometimes, but it has superfood in the name, which makes it painful to order. I usually order it without saying that part, but the cashier will often say it just to be clear. Sigh.

    I continue to be unclear on what's wrong with the perfectly good English word diet. People are assuming meaning that it does not always have. I vastly prefer the term diet (which means, among other things, way of eating) to the irritating term WOE or even the bulky term "my way of eating." I am happy to say "my diet is..." should that come up. And yes, I might be talking about a maintenance diet, even a diet I'm eating when bulking, should I ever get there. Surely no one thinks the D in SAD means that people are eating 1200 calories on the average. (Not that 1200 calories is always a bad choice anyway.)
    What happend with the normal!!!! portions of meat ...veggies and potatoes? and the walk every day or take the bike instead of the car?

    To what are you responding? I see people recommending increased daily activity all the time. (Not everyone can bike to work, but biking or running to/from work has been quite useful for me, as has walking everywhere possible.) As for "normal portions"--this depends somewhat on your goals. The fact is that I eat fewer calories when trying to lose weight than when maintaining. That's just, you know, how the body works.

    Increasingly, I think ranting about what was said elsewhere in a general way or separate post is just a good way to confuse people or get them wondering about the source or debating (in a non useful way, IMO) about what the relative percentages of various sorts of posts are. IMO, the best thing to do is to counter an opinion when you see it.

    But this is fun too, I suppose.
  • TheLittleRedHairedGirl
    TheLittleRedHairedGirl Posts: 154 Member
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    d4_54 wrote: »
    I promise my next post will be positive. No more rants.

    The message I want to share is consistently feeding and nourishing our bodies in a healthy way. I swear this works.

    You should be able to come on here and feel free to rant/complain/support/encourage/ask questions... That's what this is here for in the first place.

    Just remember that you can't please everyone. They all have opinions that may coincide with yours, or challenge your way of thinking. As long as you're open-minded and willing to take everything with a grain of salt, please don't shy away from posting what's on your mind. It's a great way to expand your way of thinking, maybe learn something new or become further resolved in your opinions. If you don't put it out there, how will you grow?

    Just my two-cent's, for whatever it's worth.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,793 Member
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    di·et1
    ˈdīət/
    noun
    1. the kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    StealthHealth wrote: »
    Derpy_Hooves wrote: »
    d4_54 wrote: »
    Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this.

    Fully agree with this part. It's SO simple really.

    But why do so many of us struggle with this?

    Because some people's goals require significantly more precision and/or effort than that.

    Exactly.

    If you want average successful results (and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that...it's a wonderfully healthy place to be) then you can get there with an average approach.

    Some people have decided to aim a little higher. Who are you to call them out for something you apparently don't understand?
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    AdrianChr92 wrote: »
    I've been on a diet from the moment when I was born.

    We all have.

    And will be for the rest of our days.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
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    Maybe they got sick of hearing about how low carb cures dementia, sickle cell anemia, athletes foot and crossed eyes so they left because they couldn't bare to listen to such ridiculous claims anymore.

    Or maybe they joined the Keto klub and lived happily ever after

    The world may never know

    #MysteryMonday

    Or the restrictions were too much and they fell off the wagon. My brother recently tried keto and was swearing by it until he realized he couldn't cut all carbs out of his life forever and fell off the wagon.

    Or my mom who lives a 100% keto lifestyle (if you aren't counting the phentermine she takes and 5+ alcoholic beverages a day). :|
  • RockPrincess080
    RockPrincess080 Posts: 10 Member
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    I agree with OP. For me, the word "diet" means temporary. It's a temporary fix to a way deeper problem. You have to completely change your lifestyle to change yourself.
  • mysticwryter
    mysticwryter Posts: 111 Member
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    d4_54 wrote: »
    I can't believe that people are still even using the word diet. This is a rant but I am willing to debate. If you excessively cut calories and starve yourself and add to this with excessive exercise you will regain any weight you lose. You will waste your life in your head and in the gym.

    Just eat enough that you are nourished. Be active, rest and repeat this. If you are doing this and feel crap it's probably not the weight that is upsetting you.

    The rubbish I am hearing about cheat days and 1200 calories and no carbs is ridiculous. Seriously. I love you all but the food and body is not the problem. It's a problem you have created to avoid another problem.

    Energy balance and trying to enjoy everyday. Do not give the pass anymore of your time and expect no less then a positive future. This is the bit you should focus on. Not the amount of cals in your coffee.

    Rant over. I am actually a nice guy but seriously I feel like I am in the matrix with some of you.

    It's all on what the person is wanting to change. Sometimes having a low caloric intake maybe what the person needs to see results. If it's 1200,1600,2300, etc., it's the idea that someone is trying to make a difference. While it looks good on paper, doing it is a lot harder (not trying to beat a dead horse). Some people have issues with eat; whether they over/under eat, not workout enough, not doing the right program/workout.

    You are right with a well-balance caloric intake, exercise and rest, usually have good results for those wanting to improve their lives. Sometimes, and maybe under doctor's orders, a person may have to alter what is usually perceived with weight loss/strength.

  • Morgaen73
    Morgaen73 Posts: 2,818 Member
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    psulemon wrote: »
    RockPrincess080 wrote: »
    I agree with OP. For me, the word "diet" means temporary. It's a temporary fix to a way deeper problem. You have to completely change your lifestyle to change yourself.

    Ironically, to me, lifestyle is just the new buzzword to get away from the term diet.

    Actually not. I've been on a meal plan, that together with an exercise plan, have formed my lifestyle for the last three years. My meal plan gets adapted according to my nutritional requirements but I will probably be following a structured meal plan for the rest of my life. How is that the same as a diet?

    There is a difference in the common understanding of "diet" and "healthy diet". I dont diet, I eat healthy.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
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    TheLittleRedHairedGirl wrote: »
    d4_54 wrote: »
    I promise my next post will be positive. No more rants.

    The message I want to share is consistently feeding and nourishing our bodies in a healthy way. I swear this works.

    You should be able to come on here and feel free to rant/complain/support/encourage/ask questions... That's what this is here for in the first place.

    Just remember that you can't please everyone. They all have opinions that may coincide with yours, or challenge your way of thinking. As long as you're open-minded and willing to take everything with a grain of salt, please don't shy away from posting what's on your mind. It's a great way to expand your way of thinking, maybe learn something new or become further resolved in your opinions. If you don't put it out there, how will you grow?

    Just my two-cent's, for whatever it's worth.

    But this is the debate forum?
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
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    Morgaen73 wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    RockPrincess080 wrote: »
    I agree with OP. For me, the word "diet" means temporary. It's a temporary fix to a way deeper problem. You have to completely change your lifestyle to change yourself.

    Ironically, to me, lifestyle is just the new buzzword to get away from the term diet.

    Actually not. I've been on a meal plan, that together with an exercise plan, have formed my lifestyle for the last three years. My meal plan gets adapted according to my nutritional requirements but I will probably be following a structured meal plan for the rest of my life. How is that the same as a diet?

    There is a difference in the common understanding of "diet" and "healthy diet". I dont diet, I eat healthy.

    Because people still sell products, books, etc. that promote their "lifestyle change". They're using it to sell their product and hoping to get a leg up on their competitor "the ____ diet" because they're selling it as more sustainable. And everyone says you need to make a lifestyle change, so clearly that's the better product to buy.

    Everyone understands the concept. But the phrase has been misappropriated and is starting to be used interchangably with "diet".

    People need to make sustainable changes. Fine. But catch phrases will still catch phrase.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
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    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    BreezeDoveal wrote: »
    GaleHawkins wrote: »
    selina884 wrote: »
    Appreciating.

    Overtime you will notice its the same few posters who are

    a)easily offended
    b)will argue for the sake of being PC
    c)least openminded and stuck in the processed food + CICO bubble


    Ignore them and don't let those few stop you from voicing your opinions

    So true based what I have seen over the past two years but their numbers seem to be dropping.

    Do you think it is because the standard medical dogma is finally be challenged by all the people who are failing from trying it? Or do you think there is some other reason they drop off the forums?

    This is a hard to know and there may be many reasons.

    To manage my arthritis pain the doctors wanted me to start on Enbrel injects two year ago. I elected to instead cut out sugar and all grains because of the known possible side effects of Enbrel even the $3,000 a month cost would have been covered. In the first 30 days of cutting out sugar and all grains my pain levels of 7-8 dropped to 2-3 and two year later are still well managed by diet only and no meds of any kind.

    My action two years ago without my then understanding meant I had gone to a WOE (Way Of Eating) that was LCHF (Low Carb High Fat).

    Pre LCHF (two years ago) labs were:
    Total Cholesterol - 226
    HDL - 38
    LDL - 146
    Triglycerides - 209

    9 months of LCHF (one year ago) labs were:
    Total Cholesterol - 404
    HDL - 56
    LDL - 323
    Triglycerides - 121

    17 months of LCHF (today) labs were:
    Total Cholesterol - 257
    HDL - 63
    LDL - 186
    Triglycerides - 36

    The new doctor said keep doing what I am doing because it is working and that now Total Cholesterol has to be at >290 before they consider statins, etc. She was not hype pro LCHF but she said the numbers proved it was working for me. I think my numbers helped her better understand the first year of LCHF sending Cholesterol through the roof is NORMAL for some. I refused statins last year because I knew it was normal to shot up because the body takes a while to stop producing high cholesterol that is produced to protect against high inflammation.

    Two years ago I think there were several posters on MFP that thought LCHF was actually unhealthy WOE but I think most know otherwise now hence less attacks on this WOE for example.

    My personal goal for Total Cholesterol is 200-240 since at my age it gets the best odds of preventing my premature death but 257 is not far from that protective range. My ratios are now awesome. A1C was 5.1

    Oh I think I see. Many of the posters against LCHF on the board two years ago where following the medical establishment. Their health like their cholesterol levels has probably been terrible, and they're probably on a lot of prescriptions from their doctor. I guess a lot of them might no longer be capable of posting or even with us anymore.

    I doubt there is much validity in what you see.

    Most people do not die in two years due to diet choices.

    As the medical world comes to view diet in a more open and factual way perhaps posters are doing the same. Last year the same medical clinic was opposed to LCHF yet this year clearly stated not to change my LCHF way of eating because all of my health markers across the board were moving in the right direction.

    As MD's become more knowledgeable about different diets I expect MFP posters will as well is my point. The MD that I saw today was relative young woman so maybe doctors are getting better training these days compared to some of the false teachings about ways of eating from yesteryear.
    I would not hold my breath waiting for the medical community to resoundingly support the keto diet. When I took biochemistry in a medical school (granted that was about 10 years ago now), they had a lecture on ketoacidosis, the repercussions of it, and concluded with "and that's why people shouldn't do the keto diet"...

    :confused:
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
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    psulemon wrote: »
    RockPrincess080 wrote: »
    I agree with OP. For me, the word "diet" means temporary. It's a temporary fix to a way deeper problem. You have to completely change your lifestyle to change yourself.

    Ironically, to me, lifestyle is just the new buzzword to get away from the term diet.

    Yes, same with way of eating (or WOE, sigh).

    Reclaim "diet"!

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