INTERMITTENT FASTING - A LIFESTYLE MAKEOVER

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  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    DebSozo wrote: »

    This is the formula that MFP has put up for me after putting in my weight and height.

    SW: 103.40 kg - 227.95 lbs
    Height: 173 – 5.7 ft
    GW: 70kgs - 154.32 lbs

    Daily Goal 1200 kcal
    Carbs 90 g
    Protein 120 g
    Fat 40 g
    Sodium 2,300 mg
    Sugar 45g

    Christina

    For your height and weight that is not enough calories!!! 1200 is too little. Your BMR is 1800 calories. I'm not sure how you have come to the number of 1200?

    @Original_Beauty Did you plug her numbers into MFP?

    I'm pretty sure MFP could have easily given her 1200 without her having to change her calories manually. Keep in mind when you work with kilos you get a 1100 calorie deficit for picking the 1 kg option, not 1000 like is the case with pounds. I'm a little bit lighter and younger and an inch shorter and I get 1530 calories to lose 0.5 kg, which means to lose 1 kg I would need to eat 980 calories. I haven't had it give me over 1200 calories for 1 kilo since I weighed probably 110 kg.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited September 2016
    DebSozo wrote: »

    This is the formula that MFP has put up for me after putting in my weight and height.

    SW: 103.40 kg - 227.95 lbs
    Height: 173 – 5.7 ft
    GW: 70kgs - 154.32 lbs

    Daily Goal 1200 kcal
    Carbs 90 g
    Protein 120 g
    Fat 40 g
    Sodium 2,300 mg
    Sugar 45g

    Christina

    For your height and weight that is not enough calories!!! 1200 is too little. Your BMR is 1800 calories. I'm not sure how you have come to the number of 1200?

    @Original_Beauty Did you plug her numbers into MFP?

    @DebSozo
    Her stats were pretty much the same as mine but a little taller. I just did it on MFP and her BMR is 1780?

    Are you talking about BMR or maintenance for her current weight? My BMR is 1385. I'm similar height, and my TDEE is 1845 acording to an external calculator online. But MFP says my maintenance calories are 1660.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited September 2016
    DebSozo wrote: »

    This is the formula that MFP has put up for me after putting in my weight and height.

    SW: 103.40 kg - 227.95 lbs
    Height: 173 – 5.7 ft
    GW: 70kgs - 154.32 lbs

    Daily Goal 1200 kcal
    Carbs 90 g
    Protein 120 g
    Fat 40 g
    Sodium 2,300 mg
    Sugar 45g

    Christina

    For your height and weight that is not enough calories!!! 1200 is too little. Your BMR is 1800 calories. I'm not sure how you have come to the number of 1200?

    @Original_Beauty Did you plug her numbers into MFP?

    I'm pretty sure MFP could have easily given her 1200 without her having to change her calories manually. Keep in mind when you work with kilos you get a 1100 calorie deficit for picking the 1 kg option, not 1000 like is the case with pounds. I'm a little bit lighter and younger and an inch shorter and I get 1530 calories to lose 0.5 kg, which means to lose 1 kg I would need to eat 980 calories. I haven't had it give me over 1200 calories for 1 kilo since I weighed probably 110 kg.

    I'm fairly sure MFP could have easily given OP 1200 also. When I plug in 0.5 pounds a week to lose I get 1410, and when I put in 1 pound a week loss it gives me 1200 because it won't go any lower.
  • ChristinaOne21
    ChristinaOne21 Posts: 49 Member
    Hey guys - not sure about the Marketing and Sales comment someone's made - why on earth would anyone think that I'm trying to sell something, when I am just asking for advice?

    I think I plugged into MFP that I wanted to lose 1kg per week and its given me 1200 calories a day to work with. Maybe I have done something wrong?

    Sometimes I manage to do 1200 and sometimes I'm over that amount, but even on my off days over the last few weeks I have been around 1800-2300 I think, so after reading the responses I think I'm still doing okay, which is a relief.

    The weight should by all accounts be dropping off me but its not, so I guess I really am going to have to hit the gym or find something else I can do that doesn't hurt my knees.

    Thank you to those of you who have read my posts and realise I am genuine about my drive to lose weight. I was only writing this blog in the first place to hold myself accountable and I thought I could also share it with my personal social media - not that it would pop up on a public forum, but all good - it's proved to be a wealth of information that I knew nothing about.

    And in regards to sales and marketing - well if anyone does need an excellent recruitment outsourcer in New Zealand, then I'm very happy to market and sell my recruiting services here :wink:
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited September 2016
    I wasn't sure what the person was referring to in the prior marketing question either?
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    DebSozo wrote: »
    I'm not sure about the marketing question either?

    Me neither..

  • ChristinaOne21
    ChristinaOne21 Posts: 49 Member
    Benefit of the doubt - she must have made a typo!

    Although maybe its a sign I should change my career and become a permanent blogger - or write a Intermittent Fasting Diet Guru book - with all of you as contributors!

    I must say I'm much more interested in reading this thread than doing any real work :)
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    Hey guys - not sure about the Marketing and Sales comment someone's made - why on earth would anyone think that I'm trying to sell something, when I am just asking for advice?

    I think I plugged into MFP that I wanted to lose 1kg per week and its given me 1200 calories a day to work with. Maybe I have done something wrong?

    Sometimes I manage to do 1200 and sometimes I'm over that amount, but even on my off days over the last few weeks I have been around 1800-2300 I think, so after reading the responses I think I'm still doing okay, which is a relief.

    The weight should by all accounts be dropping off me but its not, so I guess I really am going to have to hit the gym or find something else I can do that doesn't hurt my knees.

    Thank you to those of you who have read my posts and realise I am genuine about my drive to lose weight. I was only writing this blog in the first place to hold myself accountable and I thought I could also share it with my personal social media - not that it would pop up on a public forum, but all good - it's proved to be a wealth of information that I knew nothing about.

    And in regards to sales and marketing - well if anyone does need an excellent recruitment outsourcer in New Zealand, then I'm very happy to market and sell my recruiting services here :wink:

    MFP can be pretty confusing because it will never give you an allowance below 1200 calories, so even though you chose 1 kg per week, MFP is kind of "lying" when it says you can lose 1 kg a week on 1200. It should be closer to 0.75 kg per week or something.

    Try this: pick the option to lose 0.75 kg per week and see how many calories it will give you. You will be surprised to see that it won't be that much higher than your 1 kg allowance.
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    edited September 2016
    Benefit of the doubt - she must have made a typo!

    Although maybe its a sign I should change my career and become a permanent blogger - or write a Intermittent Fasting Diet Guru book - with all of you as contributors!

    I must say I'm much more interested in reading this thread than doing any real work :)

    Sometimes the new kid on the Block gets tested. :) You are fine and welcome to MFP forums.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    OP, I didn't think MFP would go that low for someone who had a BMR that's above that number, but with their net calories formula I can imagine that the intake they expect would be somewhat higher anyway.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    OP, I didn't think MFP would go that low for someone who had a BMR that's above that number, but with their net calories formula I can imagine that the intake they expect would be somewhat higher anyway.

    Well the OP is largely sedentary, so it's going to take BMR * 1.2 and then subtract to 1100 to get 2kg a week (with a limiting factor of 1200). Personally, I would decrease that a bit with about 50lbs to lose. And then increase protein to around 125g per day.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    She's literally an inch shorter than me and within 5-10 lbs of my goal weight. When I've had less to lose, crash dieting worked, but not for serious weight loss. She's obviously marketing....

    I'm nowhere near my goal, and this kind of restriction isn't for everyone, but then again I'm making no recommendations and not participating in direct sales....

    Or buy her schtick. But honestly, fasting at an inch taller at that weight, I'd lose 10lbs just sleeping for 2 weeks.

    Honestly, what the heck are you talking about and who is this aimed at? OP? She's trying a way of eating new to her and enjoying it.

    Sounds like she's also eating as much or more than you are, so the response seems kind of weird.

    I do think OP could eat more than 1200. With 2.2 lbs (I think OP does kg, and they will let you do a 1 kg goal) and sedentary 1200 wouldn't surprise me as an MFP goal, OP, but do eat back exercise calories then. I got 1200 for only a 1.8 lb goal when I was 200 lb, but I'm a bit older and shorter.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Hey guys - not sure about the Marketing and Sales comment someone's made - why on earth would anyone think that I'm trying to sell something, when I am just asking for advice?

    I think I plugged into MFP that I wanted to lose 1kg per week and its given me 1200 calories a day to work with. Maybe I have done something wrong?

    Sometimes I manage to do 1200 and sometimes I'm over that amount, but even on my off days over the last few weeks I have been around 1800-2300 I think, so after reading the responses I think I'm still doing okay, which is a relief.

    The weight should by all accounts be dropping off me but its not, so I guess I really am going to have to hit the gym or find something else I can do that doesn't hurt my knees.

    Thank you to those of you who have read my posts and realise I am genuine about my drive to lose weight. I was only writing this blog in the first place to hold myself accountable and I thought I could also share it with my personal social media - not that it would pop up on a public forum, but all good - it's proved to be a wealth of information that I knew nothing about.

    And in regards to sales and marketing - well if anyone does need an excellent recruitment outsourcer in New Zealand, then I'm very happy to market and sell my recruiting services here :wink:

    Oops, I responded before seeing this, but don't worry, I'm sure everyone thought it was weird.
  • ChristinaOne21
    ChristinaOne21 Posts: 49 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    [quote="Oops, I responded before seeing this, but don't worry, I'm sure everyone thought it was weird.
    Good it wasn't just me :)
  • ChristinaOne21
    ChristinaOne21 Posts: 49 Member
    Ha ha thank you all- I thought I may have overreacted but glad you pointed out that posters own 'schtick' (whatever that means) was weird.

    Not sure about my BMI or how I measure that, but I think I got this right from responses above, that as I am pretty sedentary (nice word for avoiding exercise thanks) that 1200 calories per day is on point for now.

    Off to try some aqua jogging though this morning (shock horror) and I will up the protein too as suggested.

    100.10 kgs (222.88 lbs) when I weighed in just now - it is the morning though - so I know it will probably go back up again later in the day, but its amazing how seeing those little losses really help with my mind set to keep going - as does reading all of your posts - especially the ones that weren't specifically about me actually, as you've all opened my eyes around the science/or not of weightloss, which I really knew zilch about.

    I thought I just needed to cut out sugar and fat and do exercise when I started this and was a bit depressed about it as I believed I was already eating a well balanced healthy diet - in some ways its all so simple now - calories in - calories out and in other ways its also so much more complicated! I know now my choices and portions were calorie high and I was fighting a losing battle carrying on the way I was.

    On a very personal note (which I feel I can say as you are all a million miles away in cyber space) Psychologically wise I've had a battle with weight since an abusive ex told me he didn't want a fat bride and I needed to lose weight before we set a wedding date - I was around 70 kgs, 11 st, 154.32 lbs back then. He would then encourage me to eat and drink the same as he was and I had no willpower to not. In hindsight I know now he had a narcissistic personality disorder and was just screwing with my mind (he never wanted to get married as he was having an affair/s). I think I piled on the weight subconsciously, as I knew our relationship was all wrong - I wasn't sleeping, hermitting myself away and avoiding seeing anyone, as I didn't want people to know about the physical and verbal abuse and eating was my solace. I have hidden behind my weight ever since with the attitude of accept me as I am, but have never really been happy with myself and would be the first one to put myself down and point out my weaknesses before anyone else did.

    I wonder whether a lot of peoples weight gain is attributed to what is going on with us mentally and emotionally?
  • Wynterbourne
    Wynterbourne Posts: 2,225 Member
    Ha ha thank you all- I thought I may have overreacted but glad you pointed out that posters own 'schtick' (whatever that means) was weird.

    Not sure about my BMI or how I measure that, but I think I got this right from responses above, that as I am pretty sedentary (nice word for avoiding exercise thanks) that 1200 calories per day is on point for now.

    Off to try some aqua jogging though this morning (shock horror) and I will up the protein too as suggested.

    100.10 kgs (222.88 lbs) when I weighed in just now - it is the morning though - so I know it will probably go back up again later in the day, but its amazing how seeing those little losses really help with my mind set to keep going - as does reading all of your posts - especially the ones that weren't specifically about me actually, as you've all opened my eyes around the science/or not of weightloss, which I really knew zilch about.

    I thought I just needed to cut out sugar and fat and do exercise when I started this and was a bit depressed about it as I believed I was already eating a well balanced healthy diet - in some ways its all so simple now - calories in - calories out and in other ways its also so much more complicated! I know now my choices and portions were calorie high and I was fighting a losing battle carrying on the way I was.

    On a very personal note (which I feel I can say as you are all a million miles away in cyber space) Psychologically wise I've had a battle with weight since an abusive ex told me he didn't want a fat bride and I needed to lose weight before we set a wedding date - I was around 70 kgs, 11 st, 154.32 lbs back then. He would then encourage me to eat and drink the same as he was and I had no willpower to not. In hindsight I know now he had a narcissistic personality disorder and was just screwing with my mind (he never wanted to get married as he was having an affair/s). I think I piled on the weight subconsciously, as I knew our relationship was all wrong - I wasn't sleeping, hermitting myself away and avoiding seeing anyone, as I didn't want people to know about the physical and verbal abuse and eating was my solace. I have hidden behind my weight ever since with the attitude of accept me as I am, but have never really been happy with myself and would be the first one to put myself down and point out my weaknesses before anyone else did.

    I wonder whether a lot of peoples weight gain is attributed to what is going on with us mentally and emotionally?

    BMI calculator:

    nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm
  • ChristinaOne21
    ChristinaOne21 Posts: 49 Member

    BMI says Obesity = 35.7 - ha ha thats motivating!
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    edited September 2016

    BMI says Obesity = 35.7 - ha ha thats motivating!

    It is isn't it?

    But then again you kind of knew that without the numbers so they are irrelevant

    At least you are doing something about it
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    Wetcoaster wrote: »


    Interesting coincidence, I like Dr Norton's vlogs.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    Wetcoaster wrote: »

    Ok, the end of that got kind of funny.
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member

    BMI says Obesity = 35.7 - ha ha thats motivating!

    That is were I clocked in at two years ago. One Day At a Time comes to mind. Best of success.
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    I agree with Dr. Norton based on past podcasts/videos. I agree in this video that while IF works that I might not be idea for people currently dealing with eating this order but that could be a generic concern with any WOE with any ED.

    https://youtu.be/l272mz5j0zE link to the above video.

    Personally I find after eating LCHF for the last two years that in my case it is IF by default due to no carb cravings I get busy and skip meals. Before LCHF it was not easy to do IF because I would get the strong carb cravings in just a few hours. I get hungry still but still no cravings. Like Dr. Norton states over and over if it works to help on cut calories then it is a good option but not magic. :)
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    Wetcoaster wrote: »

    Ok, the end of that got kind of funny.

    Got off on a tad bit of a rant lol.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    OP, if you start to exercise you should probably increase calories a bit, especially since you want to make this a long term game. Honestly, i would get a food scale and have my calories at 1500. At 4 weeks you can reassess your progress. I sid something similar and found i was able to push harder and make more progress at 2300 calories as compared to 1800.

    This game is not just cutting calories low, its about finding an overall balance between a deficit and an amount of calories that will allow for long term sustainment.

    If you do stay with 1200 take not of any changes in energy or awareness. If there is decline, inclease calories.
  • frankiesgirlie
    frankiesgirlie Posts: 669 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    Wetcoaster wrote: »

    Ok, the end of that got kind of funny.


    Wow!! I like that he said to question everything, including him, and to not turn into an a jerk about your particular way of eating.



  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    Wetcoaster wrote: »

    Ok, the end of that got kind of funny.


    Wow!! I like that he said to question everything, including him, and to not turn into an a jerk about your particular way of eating.



    Actually, it did seem rather harsh but he wasn't talking about all vegans but rather the vitriolic troll vegans that treat food like a religion and believe you are evil if you eat meat and love to post comments to that effect. He wasn't very diplomatic but if you want to see the some of what he was referring to you can look on YouTube for people like Vegan Gains, Durian Rider, and Freelee the banana girl to see how bad it can be. Also look at how they went after Alex Jamieson, ex-wife of Morgan Spurlock and well-known vegan chef, when she admitted to eating meat after years of veganism.

    I don't think he personally has an issue with the vegan diet but rather certain zealots who like to get into your face and tell you how morally superior they are to you.
  • ChristinaOne21
    ChristinaOne21 Posts: 49 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    OP, if you start to exercise you should probably increase calories a bit, especially since you want to make this a long term game. Honestly, I would get a food scale and have my calories at 1500. At 4 weeks you can reassess your progress. I did something similar and found I was able to push harder and make more progress at 2300 calories as compared to 1800.

    This game is not just cutting calories low, its about finding an overall balance between a deficit and an amount of calories that will allow for long term sustainment.

    If you do stay with 1200 take note of any changes in energy or awareness. If there is decline, increase calories.

    Thanks for that advice - I do want this to be sustainable of course - but the on the other hand I want to reach the goal post quickly, as I am focused on my wedding in April (this time doing it for myself), so I guess I am aiming for a reasonably quick loss with 27 weeks to get down at least into the 70's.

    Do you mind me asking whether your cals are set higher - is that the exercise?
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