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CICO is not the whole equation
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No disrespect to the OP but I think sometimes folks get upset about others eating foods that they determine as "bad" foods that they themselves "can't" eat because they restricted or severely limited in their diet.
I can't eat cake so if you eat it on your diet then you are wrong, kinda mentality. idk9 -
Cheers man.
Just wish I had grown it when I was single. Bush attracts bush, ne'er I mean?
I'm talking about gardening you bunch of reprobates...
HAHAHAHAHAHAH1 -
Cheers man.
Just wish I had grown it when I was single. Bush attracts bush, ne'er I mean?
I'm talking about gardening you bunch of reprobates...
...and you're just trying to rake us in.11 -
Maybe OP is honing in on the "I eat what i want and only pay attention to calories" posts??3
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Oy with the poodles already!2
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Christine_72 wrote: »Maybe OP is honing in on the "I eat what i want and only pay attention to calories" posts??
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that person is automatically malnourished or thinking that they don't need nutrition.
I eat what I want when I want and only pay attention to calories. I just eat something like 2500 calories and I would have to eat a pretty weird diet to not recieve my nutirtion from that. As it turns out sometimes I want a salad, sometimes I'd like a carrot, sometimes I want tacobell, sometimes I want a slice of pizza. If you look at my diary (which is open) you'll see I'm generally hitting my nutritional needs.
If you do look do note I don't usually bother to list salad greens I just list the dressing or toppings, so i actually am getting more dietary fiber than it seems like I am.7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »
I am so excited!!! Doesn't the quote seem to fit with so many threads on this site?
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Weight loss can improve health. Eating a certain way can improve health. Health is a complicated individual thing though. What one person needs to do to be healthy can be different than another person.
What you need to do to lose weight boils down to the same for everyone though. CICO= weight management
Nutrition= eat a variety of foods to meet your body's needs. This is somewhat different depending on size, age, activity level, health conditions, goals.
About water- Drink enough fluids to your thirst level or until your urine is light/clear. Doesn't have to be just water.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Maybe OP is honing in on the "I eat what i want and only pay attention to calories" posts??
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that person is automatically malnourished or thinking that they don't need nutrition.
I eat what I want when I want and only pay attention to calories. I just eat something like 2500 calories and I would have to eat a pretty weird diet to not recieve my nutirtion from that. As it turns out sometimes I want a salad, sometimes I'd like a carrot, sometimes I want tacobell, sometimes I want a slice of pizza. If you look at my diary (which is open) you'll see I'm generally hitting my nutritional needs.
If you do look do note I don't usually bother to list salad greens I just list the dressing or toppings, so i actually am getting more dietary fiber than it seems like I am.
LOL and here i was all ready to give you a lecture on how you don't eat enough greens
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Christine_72 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Maybe OP is honing in on the "I eat what i want and only pay attention to calories" posts??
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that person is automatically malnourished or thinking that they don't need nutrition.
I eat what I want when I want and only pay attention to calories. I just eat something like 2500 calories and I would have to eat a pretty weird diet to not recieve my nutirtion from that. As it turns out sometimes I want a salad, sometimes I'd like a carrot, sometimes I want tacobell, sometimes I want a slice of pizza. If you look at my diary (which is open) you'll see I'm generally hitting my nutritional needs.
If you do look do note I don't usually bother to list salad greens I just list the dressing or toppings, so i actually am getting more dietary fiber than it seems like I am.
LOL and here i was all ready to give you a lecture on how you don't eat enough greens
There, I put some spinach into my entry for today just for you.10 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I've asked this before on threads like this and I'll ask it again.
Please provide evidence that there are regular forum users regularly telling people to eat what they want, regardless of nutrients and meeting macro and micro needs because that doesn't matter. Thus far I've had crickets to this request so fingers crossed this time.........
It all matters. That is the point. Subject of thread is that CICO is not the whole equation.
In the simplest terms, not as to weight loss because eating less than you burn is an absolute requirement.
I personally prefer eating what I think is a nutritionally sound diet, but if I don't I will still lose weight as long as I eat less calories than I burn.
@RobynTheresa, why would you have to earn the right to a treat? Why not work it into your calorie goals?
And, you're proud you netted 1000 calories or so. That's a VLCD, and indicates disordered eating.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »It's not the whole equation. It is not simple addition and subtraction. There are other variables that influence the calculations. Change the variables and change the formula.
Nope.
Weight loss -> CICO
Health, Satiety, Compliance, Satisfaction -> Macronutrient Partitioning and selection
Honestly, I gave an analogy about this yesterday.
Go into Home Depot. Pretend you're remodeling your kitchen. Stand there in the tile aisle. And seriously tell the person helping you, when she asks you how many square feet of tile you need, "Well, see, it's not just the amount of tile, it comes down to the type of tile you use."
The yardstick you measure fabric with isn't the fabric.
Additionally: Giant strawman of Big Mac all the time vs. healthy all the time rears its ugly head. Really?
And, this.4 -
Packerjohn wrote: »RobynTheresa wrote: »
If you are on a 1,200 calorie goal you do need to eat back your exercise calories. Yesterday I did 1.5 hours at the gym including 45 minutes of strength training which Garmin Connect kindly told me was worth 307 calories. I can't fuel that on 1,200 calories. Overall my food intake yesterday was 1,536 calories, but my net was 1,052 (my total active calories was 484). And yes I lost weight on the scales this morning.
You didn't lose a measurable amount of fat in one day.
Correct. It was most likely natural fluctuation.0 -
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Calling foods "good", "bad", "health" or "junk" IMO is a big mistake as well as "earning" treats. Again my opinion only and this may be great for you.
The reason I feel this way is I've learned the importance of creating a positive relationship with all kinds of food. Having control because I "choose to" and not "have to"
Another reason I feel that all types of food are good and can serve a purpose.
For the past 12 years I consume an average of 6 donuts, a full gallon of ice cream, large bacon/pepperoni pizza, and much more "junk" on a weekly basis. Surely this would make me "unhealthy"
But you be the judge.
After losing over 100lbs, I am current;y 6'1 195lbs with 9.5% bodyfat
My blood test results are in
Chol - 145
Trigly- 34
HDL - 71
LDL - 66
There's no such thing as "bad food" that only makes us feel more guilt when we eat them. Also, I'm not a genetic freak who can eat anything. I've been overweight most of my life and was 330lbs 12 years ago22 -
I don't like big macs6
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Russellb97 wrote: »Calling foods "good", "bad", "health" or "junk" IMO is a big mistake as well as "earning" treats. Again my opinion only and this may be great for you.
The reason I feel this way is I've learned the importance of creating a positive relationship with all kinds of food. Having control because I "choose to" and not "have to"
Another reason I feel that all types of food are good and can serve a purpose.
For the past 12 years I consume an average of 6 donuts, a full gallon of ice cream, large bacon/pepperoni pizza, and much more "junk" on a weekly basis. Surely this would make me "unhealthy"
But you be the judge.
After losing over 100lbs, I am current;y 6'1 195lbs with 9.5% bodyfat
My blood test results are in
Chol - 145
Trigly- 34
HDL - 71
LDL - 66
There's no such thing as "bad food" that only makes us feel more guilt when we eat them. Also, I'm not a genetic freak who can eat anything. I've been overweight most of my life and was 330lbs 12 years ago
It took me 4 months on here before I realized how true this is!!! How stubborn I was to let this very simple thing not sink in.
And how freeing it is to realize that certain foods are not bad they just may not keep me full for long and I have to plan for them. This has relieved so much guilt that I want to shout it from the rooftops.
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Russellb97 wrote: »Calling foods "good", "bad", "health" or "junk" IMO is a big mistake as well as "earning" treats. Again my opinion only and this may be great for you.
The reason I feel this way is I've learned the importance of creating a positive relationship with all kinds of food. Having control because I "choose to" and not "have to"
Another reason I feel that all types of food are good and can serve a purpose.
For the past 12 years I consume an average of 6 donuts, a full gallon of ice cream, large bacon/pepperoni pizza, and much more "junk" on a weekly basis. Surely this would make me "unhealthy"
But you be the judge.
After losing over 100lbs, I am current;y 6'1 195lbs with 9.5% bodyfat
My blood test results are in
Chol - 145
Trigly- 34
HDL - 71
LDL - 66
There's no such thing as "bad food" that only makes us feel more guilt when we eat them. Also, I'm not a genetic freak who can eat anything. I've been overweight most of my life and was 330lbs 12 years ago
It took me 4 months on here before I realized how true this is!!! How stubborn I was to let this very simple thing not sink in.
And how freeing it is to realize that certain foods are not bad they just may not keep me full for long and I have to plan for them. This has relieved so much guilt that I want to shout it from the rooftops.
Agreed. The best day was learning that good and bad had no business as labels for my food.6 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »I don't like big macs
I do, especially when they're two for $5. I also like the Buttery Jumbo Jack from Jack in the Box, Double Whopper w/cheese from Burger King, Super Star (or Double Western Bacon Cheeseburger) from Carl's Jr. and the Triple Chili Cheeseburger from Tommy's. Not to mention the Double Double from In 'n' Out Burger.
But I enjoy them in moderation and most certainly don't advocate them being the mainstay of one's diet.9 -
RobynTheresa wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »You are confusing health with weight loss. Can you lose weight eating as much sugar and refined flour as you want as long you are in a deficit? Absolutely, the scientific laws of the universe demand it. Is it necessarily the healthiest option? No one is claiming it to be. Two. Separate. Issues.
Only two seperate issues if one doesn't care about their health. If they do, then those issues go hand in hand, why does anyone try to lose weight? For their HEALTH! If they are doing it to get on the cover of Vogue, bad reason.
Id have to disagee here. I have always been at a healthy weight and reasonably healthy. The only reason i wanted to lose weight was vanity - not ashamed to admit it and its not a bad reason. Im entitled to look however i want and be whatever size i want. Im sure im not alone.12 -
Whitezombiegirl wrote: »RobynTheresa wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »You are confusing health with weight loss. Can you lose weight eating as much sugar and refined flour as you want as long you are in a deficit? Absolutely, the scientific laws of the universe demand it. Is it necessarily the healthiest option? No one is claiming it to be. Two. Separate. Issues.
Only two seperate issues if one doesn't care about their health. If they do, then those issues go hand in hand, why does anyone try to lose weight? For their HEALTH! If they are doing it to get on the cover of Vogue, bad reason.
Id have to disagee here. I have always been at a healthy weight and reasonably healthy. The only reason i wanted to lose weight was vanity - not ashamed to admit it and its not a bad reason. Im entitled to look however i want and be whatever size i want. Im sure im not alone.
You are not alone. I need to lose another 10 ish lbs of fat and it's 100% vanity. I just want dem abs. And I largely start my weight loss journey to look better. Even being 50lbs over weight, my numbers were not that far out of whack and non of my doctors were really that concerned.2 -
Whitezombiegirl wrote: »RobynTheresa wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »You are confusing health with weight loss. Can you lose weight eating as much sugar and refined flour as you want as long you are in a deficit? Absolutely, the scientific laws of the universe demand it. Is it necessarily the healthiest option? No one is claiming it to be. Two. Separate. Issues.
Only two seperate issues if one doesn't care about their health. If they do, then those issues go hand in hand, why does anyone try to lose weight? For their HEALTH! If they are doing it to get on the cover of Vogue, bad reason.
Id have to disagee here. I have always been at a healthy weight and reasonably healthy. The only reason i wanted to lose weight was vanity - not ashamed to admit it and its not a bad reason. Im entitled to look however i want and be whatever size i want. Im sure im not alone.
You're not alone. I've lost all I've needed to lose for health. At this point, anything I'm doing is purely for vanity or just for the sake of saying I could do it.
Back to the discussion -- personally, I just tend to prefer what people think of as nutritious food. That's not to say I don't like the occasional indulgence, but they're not a regular part of my overall diet.
I just never make the mistake of confusing my caloric intake with my nutrient intake and assuming they're the same thing.2 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Maybe OP is honing in on the "I eat what i want and only pay attention to calories" posts??
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that person is automatically malnourished or thinking that they don't need nutrition.
I eat what I want when I want and only pay attention to calories. I just eat something like 2500 calories and I would have to eat a pretty weird diet to not recieve my nutirtion from that. As it turns out sometimes I want a salad, sometimes I'd like a carrot, sometimes I want tacobell, sometimes I want a slice of pizza. If you look at my diary (which is open) you'll see I'm generally hitting my nutritional needs.
If you do look do note I don't usually bother to list salad greens I just list the dressing or toppings, so i actually am getting more dietary fiber than it seems like I am.
This is me too, I like all the foods
I only pay attention to calorie intake and don't track macros etc, but I eat a diet that's pretty varied, I'm in great health and I'm maintaining my loss, so I must be going something right. 2 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »I don't like big macs
Doesn't matter. If you eat what you want it will be all Big Macs and Coke. That you may like salmon and asparagus or a big greek salad with chicken, blah, doesn't matter, because it doesn't fit the strawman.12 -
Whitezombiegirl wrote: »RobynTheresa wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »You are confusing health with weight loss. Can you lose weight eating as much sugar and refined flour as you want as long you are in a deficit? Absolutely, the scientific laws of the universe demand it. Is it necessarily the healthiest option? No one is claiming it to be. Two. Separate. Issues.
Only two seperate issues if one doesn't care about their health. If they do, then those issues go hand in hand, why does anyone try to lose weight? For their HEALTH! If they are doing it to get on the cover of Vogue, bad reason.
Id have to disagee here. I have always been at a healthy weight and reasonably healthy. The only reason i wanted to lose weight was vanity - not ashamed to admit it and its not a bad reason. Im entitled to look however i want and be whatever size i want. Im sure im not alone.
I also disagree. I currently want to lose some more weight for vanity, and because I think I could run faster if I did. Seems like a good enough reason to me.
Wish OP wouldn't just proclaim stuff and refuse to address everyone else -- that strikes me as rude.15 -
This reminds me of something my dad used to say. The more times you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets. That line still makes me laugh.4
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I agree with the OP... CICO is not the end on be all for everyone. I can eat less calories than I expend but if they are loaded with carbs, I will gain- this is because of medical conditions. To those who don't have these, you don't understand that it does affect weight loss.... thank you OP!2
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Indygirl_81 wrote: »I agree with the OP... CICO is not the end on be all for everyone. I can eat less calories than I expend but if they are loaded with carbs, I will gain- this is because of medical conditions. To those who don't have these, you don't understand that it does affect weight loss.... thank you OP!
Which medical condition leads to the creation of bodyfat in a calorie deficit?20 -
Indygirl_81 wrote: »I agree with the OP... CICO is not the end on be all for everyone. I can eat less calories than I expend but if they are loaded with carbs, I will gain- this is because of medical conditions. To those who don't have these, you don't understand that it does affect weight loss.... thank you OP!
Which medical condition leads to the creation of bodyfat in a calorie deficit?
Maybe she means water weight not fat. I'm curious too!6 -
For the record, I am catching up on this whilst eating a McChicken sandwich, fries and white coffee.
If I don't return I dropped dead immediately after.
I also don't religiously track macros and micros. I do try to hit protein and fat but no biggie if I don't. I eat a rounded enough diet not to get too caught up in the minutiae.
I'm also at the vanity end of my losses. I'm not quite a healthy BMI but my waist is well within the healthy range and my BP is totally normal now.12
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