what are your thoughts on green tea extract?
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I love green tea, I drink the decaf or fruit herbal teas but sometimes I do put green tea granuals in my tea when I want a boost & it works like a diet pill. I don't do it often because about 10yrs ago, I got pvs's, that's when one part of your heart beats irregularly. My doc said i got them from taking diet pills for 20yrs. I took a diet pill every day to increase my sluggish energy (we raised 4 kids) plus i drank black coffee all day. doing these 2 things made me feel "normal" if I didn't i felt sleepy all day. So I quit doing that & my heart eventually went back to normal. Now a days i still drink coffee but i make it with half regular & half decaf. learned my lesson0
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missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
If you think people sharing their thoughts on green tea extract is a waste of their time, why did you create a thread titled "What are your thoughts on green tea extract"?17 -
And you were directed to a meta analysis saying the opposite which you are ignoring...missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
That is very clear...missafwilliams wrote: »People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Correcting miss information is never a waste of time...missafwilliams wrote: »Please stop wasting your time.
Ok...missafwilliams wrote: »Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye...missafwilliams wrote: »Bye.9 -
The meta-analysis dewd2 cited is important -- in science, individual studies are data points: some will show one thing, others another thing. Case in point: the Pons study on low-energy fusion, or the current back and forth on the EMDrive and whether what researchers are seeing is something real and new. It's worth repeating what the meta-analysis stated:Green tea or gree tea extracts intake or its extracts exerts no statistically significant effect on the weight of overweight or obese adults.
I have prostate cancer and I've increased my use of green tea somewhat because some studies suggest it's helpful. I've also increased vitamin D intake as well as consumption of soy for the same reason. My urologist's take on it is: it can't hurt, as long as you don't go overboard with it. However, I'm under no illusion that the research that has been done "proves" anything, and I'm not going to post a bunch of studies because in and of themselves, they're suggestive but not probative.
Personally, I'd rather take my green tea as a beverage, but that's me.
P.S.: if your mind is already made up about something, don't ask for peoples' thoughts about something if you don't want to hear things you disagree with.15 -
Have seen some recent information linking green tea extract to liver problems. I stopped taking it... at least until more information is available.
Yes, I saw that too - it was a report on increased incidence of liver failure where various supplements were determined to be the cause. A couple of supplements were singled out, green tea being one of them.
As I recall, although the fold-increase was alarming (something like a 3-4x increase in cases), the actual total numbers of cases were small. In the mid to high hundreds across the U.S. - again, relying on memory.
It's not something I'd be overly concerned about, but if I were taking any of the supplements from the study, I'd familiarize myself with symptoms of liver disease (just in case) and make sure I paid attention to any change in liver-related blood work values at regular checkups.5 -
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missafwilliams wrote: »Authors:
Chen IJ ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.
Liu CY ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.
Chiu JP ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.
Hsu CH ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan. Electronic address: owlherbs@yahoo.com.tw.
Source:
Clinical Nutrition (Edinburgh, Scotland) [Clin Nutr] 2016 Jun; Vol. 35 (3), pp. 592-9. Date of Electronic Publication: 2015 May 29.
Publication Type:
Journal Article
Language:
English
Journal Info:
Publisher: Elsevier Country of Publication: England NLM ID: 8309603 Publication Model: Print-Electronic Cited Medium: Internet ISSN: 1532-1983 (Electronic) Linking ISSN: 02615614 NLM ISO Abbreviation: Clin Nutr Subsets: In Process; MEDLINE
Imprint Name(s):
Publication : <2004->: Kidlington, Oxford, U.K. : Elsevier
Original Publication : Edinburgh ; New York : Churchill Livingstone, c1982-
Abstract:
Background and Aims: To examine the effect and safety of high-dose green tea extract (Epigallocatechin gallate, EGCG) at a daily dosage of 856.8 mg on weight reduction and changes of lipid profile and obesity-related hormone peptides in women with central obesity.
Methods: We conducted a randomized, double-blind trial registered under ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier no. NCT02147041. A total of 115 women with central obesity were screened at our clinic. 102 of them with a body mass index (BMI) ≥ 27 kg/m(2) and a waist circumference (WC) ≥ 80 cm were eligible for the study. These women were randomly assigned to either a high-dose green tea group or placebo group. The total treatment time was 12 weeks. The main outcome measures were anthropometric measurements, lipid profiles, and obesity related hormone peptides including leptin, adiponectin, ghrelin, and insulin.
Results: Significant weight loss , from 76.8 ± 11.3 kg to 75.7 ± 11.5 kg (p = 0.025), as well as decreases in BMI (p = 0.018) and waist circumference (p = 0.023) were observed in the treatment group after 12 weeks of high-dose EGCG treatment. This study also demonstrated a consistent trend of decreased total cholesterol, reaching 5.33%, and decreased LDL plasma levels. There was good tolerance of the treatment among subjects without any side effects or adverse events. Significantly lower ghrelin levels and elevated adiponectin levels were detected in the study group than in the placebo group.
Conclusion: 12 weeks of treatment with high-dose green tea extract resulted in significant weight loss , reduced waist circumference, and a consistent decrease in total cholesterol and LDL plasma levels without any side effects or adverse effects in women with central obesity. The antiobestic mechanism of high-dose green tea extract might be associated in part with ghrelin secretion inhibition, leading to increased adiponectin levels.
(Copyright © 2015 Elsevier Ltd and European Society for Clinical Nutrition and Metabolism. All rights reserved.)
Comments:
Comment in: Clin Nutr. 2016 Feb;35(1):238. (PMID: 26527097)
Comment in: Clin Nutr. 2016 Feb;35(1):239. (PMID: 26608524)
Contributed Indexing:
Keywords: EGCG 4; Epigallocatechin gallate; Green tea extract; Obese women
Entry Date(s):
Date Created: 20160
LOL. They lost 1.1 kg (2.4 lb) in 12 weeks? With a range of +/- 11+ kg? LOLOLOLOLOLOL.missafwilliams wrote: »Is green tea extracts still not beneficial for weight loss?
So, no. Your "proof" gives ample evidence that it's not.9 -
missafwilliams wrote: »Authors:
Chen IJ ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.
Liu CY ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.
Chiu JP ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.
Hsu CH ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan. Electronic address: owlherbs@yahoo.com.tw.
Source:
Clinical Nutrition (Edinburgh, Scotland) [Clin Nutr] 2016 Jun; Vol. 35 (3), pp. 592-9. Date of Electronic Publication: 2015 May 29.
Publication Type:
Journal Article
Language:
English
Journal Info:
Publisher: Elsevier Country of Publication: England NLM ID: 8309603 Publication Model: Print-Electronic Cited Medium: Internet ISSN: 1532-1983 (Electronic) Linking ISSN: 02615614 NLM ISO Abbreviation: Clin Nutr Subsets: In Process; MEDLINE
Imprint Name(s):
Publication : <2004->: Kidlington, Oxford, U.K. : Elsevier
Original Publication : Edinburgh ; New York : Churchill Livingstone, c1982-
Abstract:
Background and Aims: To examine the effect and safety of high-dose green tea extract (Epigallocatechin gallate, EGCG) at a daily dosage of 856.8 mg on weight reduction and changes of lipid profile and obesity-related hormone peptides in women with central obesity.
Methods: We conducted a randomized, double-blind trial registered under ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier no. NCT02147041. A total of 115 women with central obesity were screened at our clinic. 102 of them with a body mass index (BMI) ≥ 27 kg/m(2) and a waist circumference (WC) ≥ 80 cm were eligible for the study. These women were randomly assigned to either a high-dose green tea group or placebo group. The total treatment time was 12 weeks. The main outcome measures were anthropometric measurements, lipid profiles, and obesity related hormone peptides including leptin, adiponectin, ghrelin, and insulin.
Results: Significant weight loss , from 76.8 ± 11.3 kg to 75.7 ± 11.5 kg (p = 0.025), as well as decreases in BMI (p = 0.018) and waist circumference (p = 0.023) were observed in the treatment group after 12 weeks of high-dose EGCG treatment. This study also demonstrated a consistent trend of decreased total cholesterol, reaching 5.33%, and decreased LDL plasma levels. There was good tolerance of the treatment among subjects without any side effects or adverse events. Significantly lower ghrelin levels and elevated adiponectin levels were detected in the study group than in the placebo group.
Conclusion: 12 weeks of treatment with high-dose green tea extract resulted in significant weight loss , reduced waist circumference, and a consistent decrease in total cholesterol and LDL plasma levels without any side effects or adverse effects in women with central obesity. The antiobestic mechanism of high-dose green tea extract might be associated in part with ghrelin secretion inhibition, leading to increased adiponectin levels.
(Copyright © 2015 Elsevier Ltd and European Society for Clinical Nutrition and Metabolism. All rights reserved.)
Comments:
Comment in: Clin Nutr. 2016 Feb;35(1):238. (PMID: 26527097)
Comment in: Clin Nutr. 2016 Feb;35(1):239. (PMID: 26608524)
Contributed Indexing:
Keywords: EGCG 4; Epigallocatechin gallate; Green tea extract; Obese women
Entry Date(s):
Date Created: 20160
LOL. They lost 1.1 kg (2.4 lb) in 12 weeks? With a range of +/- 11+ kg? LOLOLOLOLOLOL.missafwilliams wrote: »Is green tea extracts still not beneficial for weight loss?
So, no. Your "proof" gives ample evidence that it's not.
And that's why I keep pointing out that the word "significant" in studies means something very different from the word "significant" in normal speech.9 -
It is my unscientific opinion that green tea is so disgusting tasting that this discussion is pointless.
I've managed to lose 94 pounds without it. Or keto.
Do I win anything?13 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »It is my unscientific opinion that green tea is so disgusting tasting that this discussion is pointless.
I've managed to lose 94 pounds without it. Or keto.
Do I win anything?
Yes, a life being thinner and hopefully healthier and happier! Good for you!6 -
Science is not an opinion.
The only "hate" here is the thought of people reading this and wasting time and money on supplements.7 -
MissusMoon wrote: »Science is not an opinion.
The only "hate" here is the thought of people reading this and wasting time and money on supplements.
I know another thread that needs this quote.5 -
missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
Some people just love arguing about everything. Their only goal in repeatedly asking you questions instead of just using Bing themselves is to make you look stupid, not to correct any misinformation or have any kind of conversation - if that were the case they'd just discuss what they know instead of trying to force you into answering their questions while they sit coiled up waiting to strike. They get off trying to make you look and feel stupid. They aren't wasting their time if they get a rise out of you. Don't let them.
We are not all the same. What works for one person might not work for another. As I said earlier: whatever works, do it! I'll be taking my green tea extract as well.
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missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
Some people just love arguing about everything. Their only goal in repeatedly asking you questions instead of just using Bing themselves is to make you look stupid, not to correct any misinformation or have any kind of conversation - if that were the case they'd just discuss what they know instead of trying to force you into answering their questions while they sit coiled up waiting to strike. They get off trying to make you look and feel stupid. They aren't wasting their time if they get a rise out of you. Don't let them.
We are not all the same. What works for one person might not work for another. As I said earlier: whatever works, do it! I'll be taking my green tea extract as well.
She asked an opinion!6 -
missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
Some people just love arguing about everything. Their only goal in repeatedly asking you questions instead of just using Bing themselves is to make you look stupid, not to correct any misinformation or have any kind of conversation - if that were the case they'd just discuss what they know instead of trying to force you into answering their questions while they sit coiled up waiting to strike. They get off trying to make you look and feel stupid. They aren't wasting their time if they get a rise out of you. Don't let them.
We are not all the same. What works for one person might not work for another. As I said earlier: whatever works, do it! I'll be taking my green tea extract as well.
No, it's called the "burden of proof". When the overwhelming majority of the scientific community know the facts say it does nothing for fat loss, the burden of proof lies on the person making the wild claim. That's just the way it works.
If someone comes in and says the earth is flat, do you really think the majority need to point out why it is not? Yes, this debate is on the same level of silliness.7 -
queenliz99 wrote: »missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
Some people just love arguing about everything. Their only goal in repeatedly asking you questions instead of just using Bing themselves is to make you look stupid, not to correct any misinformation or have any kind of conversation - if that were the case they'd just discuss what they know instead of trying to force you into answering their questions while they sit coiled up waiting to strike. They get off trying to make you look and feel stupid. They aren't wasting their time if they get a rise out of you. Don't let them.
We are not all the same. What works for one person might not work for another. As I said earlier: whatever works, do it! I'll be taking my green tea extract as well.
She asked an opinion!
That's exactly what she did. I gave mine, some others gave theirs. And others went out of their way to corner her to make themselves feel superior.0 -
missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
Some people just love arguing about everything. Their only goal in repeatedly asking you questions instead of just using Bing themselves is to make you look stupid, not to correct any misinformation or have any kind of conversation - if that were the case they'd just discuss what they know instead of trying to force you into answering their questions while they sit coiled up waiting to strike. They get off trying to make you look and feel stupid. They aren't wasting their time if they get a rise out of you. Don't let them.
We are not all the same. What works for one person might not work for another. As I said earlier: whatever works, do it! I'll be taking my green tea extract as well.
No, it's called the "burden of proof". When the overwhelming majority of the scientific community know the facts say it does nothing for fat loss, the burden of proof lies on the person making the wild claim. That's just the way it works.
If someone comes in and says the earth is flat, do you really think the majority need to point out why it is not? Yes, this debate is on the same level of silliness.
And some people get off on the debate instead of just posting their opinion and moving on.0 -
My opinion is that it has no significant effect on weight loss, and science tends to agree with me. Just a placebo pill to waste money on - I'd rather save my money for something important, like wine.missafwilliams wrote: »Authors:
Chen IJ ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.
Liu CY ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.
Chiu JP ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.
Hsu CH ; Branch of Linsen and Chinese Medicine, Taipei City Hospital, Taiwan; Taiwan International Traditional Chinese Medicine Training Center, Taipei, Taiwan; Institute of Traditional Medicine, School of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan. Electronic address: owlherbs@yahoo.com.tw.
Source:
Clinical Nutrition (Edinburgh, Scotland) [Clin Nutr] 2016 Jun; Vol. 35 (3), pp. 592-9. Date of Electronic Publication: 2015 May 29.
Publication Type:
Journal Article
Language:
English
Journal Info:
Publisher: Elsevier Country of Publication: England NLM ID: 8309603 Publication Model: Print-Electronic Cited Medium: Internet ISSN: 1532-1983 (Electronic) Linking ISSN: 02615614 NLM ISO Abbreviation: Clin Nutr Subsets: In Process; MEDLINE
Imprint Name(s):
Publication : <2004->: Kidlington, Oxford, U.K. : Elsevier
Original Publication : Edinburgh ; New York : Churchill Livingstone, c1982-
Abstract:
Background and Aims: To examine the effect and safety of high-dose green tea extract (Epigallocatechin gallate, EGCG) at a daily dosage of 856.8 mg on weight reduction and changes of lipid profile and obesity-related hormone peptides in women with central obesity.
Methods: We conducted a randomized, double-blind trial registered under ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier no. NCT02147041. A total of 115 women with central obesity were screened at our clinic. 102 of them with a body mass index (BMI) ≥ 27 kg/m(2) and a waist circumference (WC) ≥ 80 cm were eligible for the study. These women were randomly assigned to either a high-dose green tea group or placebo group. The total treatment time was 12 weeks. The main outcome measures were anthropometric measurements, lipid profiles, and obesity related hormone peptides including leptin, adiponectin, ghrelin, and insulin.
Results: Significant weight loss , from 76.8 ± 11.3 kg to 75.7 ± 11.5 kg (p = 0.025), as well as decreases in BMI (p = 0.018) and waist circumference (p = 0.023) were observed in the treatment group after 12 weeks of high-dose EGCG treatment. This study also demonstrated a consistent trend of decreased total cholesterol, reaching 5.33%, and decreased LDL plasma levels. There was good tolerance of the treatment among subjects without any side effects or adverse events. Significantly lower ghrelin levels and elevated adiponectin levels were detected in the study group than in the placebo group.
Conclusion: 12 weeks of treatment with high-dose green tea extract resulted in significant weight loss , reduced waist circumference, and a consistent decrease in total cholesterol and LDL plasma levels without any side effects or adverse effects in women with central obesity. The antiobestic mechanism of high-dose green tea extract might be associated in part with ghrelin secretion inhibition, leading to increased adiponectin levels.
(Copyright © 2015 Elsevier Ltd and European Society for Clinical Nutrition and Metabolism. All rights reserved.)
Comments:
Comment in: Clin Nutr. 2016 Feb;35(1):238. (PMID: 26527097)
Comment in: Clin Nutr. 2016 Feb;35(1):239. (PMID: 26608524)
Contributed Indexing:
Keywords: EGCG 4; Epigallocatechin gallate; Green tea extract; Obese women
Entry Date(s):
Date Created: 20160
LOL. They lost 1.1 kg (2.4 lb) in 12 weeks? With a range of +/- 11+ kg? LOLOLOLOLOLOL.missafwilliams wrote: »Is green tea extracts still not beneficial for weight loss?
So, no. Your "proof" gives ample evidence that it's not.
Also, this^^8 -
missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
Some people just love arguing about everything. Their only goal in repeatedly asking you questions instead of just using Bing themselves is to make you look stupid, not to correct any misinformation or have any kind of conversation - if that were the case they'd just discuss what they know instead of trying to force you into answering their questions while they sit coiled up waiting to strike. They get off trying to make you look and feel stupid. They aren't wasting their time if they get a rise out of you. Don't let them.
We are not all the same. What works for one person might not work for another. As I said earlier: whatever works, do it! I'll be taking my green tea extract as well.
No, it's called the "burden of proof". When the overwhelming majority of the scientific community know the facts say it does nothing for fat loss, the burden of proof lies on the person making the wild claim. That's just the way it works.
If someone comes in and says the earth is flat, do you really think the majority need to point out why it is not? Yes, this debate is on the same level of silliness.
And some people get off on the debate instead of just posting their opinion and moving on.
Yes, this is a discussion board. I would think everyone on here is here for just that...discussion.8
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