what are your thoughts on green tea extract?
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littlemissbgiff wrote: »OP, you're going to need all that tea to cut down all your salt
The OP is doing keto, so she needs to have sodium levels at 3000-5000mg for electrolyte balance.5 -
I think you also kinda admitted that there was a strong possibility that the benefit was all in your head and that you were fine paying for nothing since you made a nice living. Or something like that...5 -
We're also glossing over the fact that OP lost 10 lbs in 3 days. I think we all can agree that was water, possibly a little muscle and probably zero fat. Also still waiting to hear the time frame in which she lost 30 lbs.5
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We're also glossing over the fact that OP lost 10 lbs in 3 days. I think we all can agree that was water, possibly a little muscle and probably zero fat. Also still waiting to hear the time frame in which she lost 30 lbs.
How would one lose muscle but not fat? It sounds like the OP is susceptible to water retention.2 -
IMO, 10 lbs in 3 days answers your question...0
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trigden1991 wrote: »We're also glossing over the fact that OP lost 10 lbs in 3 days. I think we all can agree that was water, possibly a little muscle and probably zero fat. Also still waiting to hear the time frame in which she lost 30 lbs.
How would one lose muscle but not fat? It sounds like the OP is susceptible to water retention.
Very good point. He seemed so certain when using words like 'possibly' and 'probably' - complete guesswork lol
Unclear what you are getting at...0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »We're also glossing over the fact that OP lost 10 lbs in 3 days. I think we all can agree that was water, possibly a little muscle and probably zero fat. Also still waiting to hear the time frame in which she lost 30 lbs.
How would one lose muscle but not fat? It sounds like the OP is susceptible to water retention.
I agree. That said, she claims green tea extract is helpful in burning fat.
IMO, she did not burn any significant amount of fat in 3 days for a 10 lbs loss...2 -
So many people out here keep saying that there is no evidence that green tea helps with weight loss. smh. Does google not work for people?! Here's a link to an abstract of a 2009 study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19597519
For people who don't like to read really bland research papers, multiple studies have found that drinking green tea has a very small positive effect on weight loss. I've also read studies that say that green tea extract is hard on your liver. My takeaway is that green tea is good, but not a weight loss miracle and green tea extract is bad (if I'm going to work my liver it's going to involve beer!).1 -
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littlemissbgiff wrote: »littlemissbgiff wrote: »OP, you're going to need all that tea to cut down all your salt
The OP is doing keto, so she needs to have sodium levels at 3000-5000mg for electrolyte balance.
I was referring to her attitude.
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So many people out here keep saying that there is no evidence that green tea helps with weight loss. smh. Does google not work for people?! Here's a link to an abstract of a 2009 study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19597519
For people who don't like to read really bland research papers, multiple studies have found that drinking green tea has a very small positive effect on weight loss. I've also read studies that say that green tea extract is hard on your liver. My takeaway is that green tea is good, but not a weight loss miracle and green tea extract is bad (if I'm going to work my liver it's going to involve beer!).
A very small effect that is not practical in normal life, like in the case of the study you posted an average of barely above 1 kg in 12 weeks, is more evidence of it not helping with weight loss than the opposite.6 -
2 lbs over 3 months. Stretch that out over a year and that matters. A lot of people on here are way too extremist for my taste. A weight loss method is not a failure just because it doesn't make you lose 2 or more lbs a month.3
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2 lbs over 3 months is a drop in the ocean for anyone who really needs to lose weight and adding supplements for that little is useless for anyone who doesn't need to lose much to begin with.
We're talking here about a possible 8-10 pounds in a year when the slow weight loss that is promoted here for people who don't need to lose that much is 25-50 per year.4 -
2 lbs over 3 months. Stretch that out over a year and that matters. A lot of people on here are way too extremist for my taste. A weight loss method is not a failure just because it doesn't make you lose 2 or more lbs a month.
Is the 8 lbs loss in one year an additional 8lbs or would the loss have been the same or better with straight calorie control...?3 -
Also in the study you posted, it did not show a statistically significant effect on caucasians, neither by itself nor compared to the other ethnicities.0
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How much green tea was being consumed by participants in the study?1
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
indeed...
"There exists in society a very special class of persons that I have always referred to as the Believers. These are folks who have chosen to accept a certain religion, philosophy, theory, idea or notion and cling to that belief regardless of any evidence that might, for anyone else, bring it into doubt. They are the ones who encourage and support the fanatics and the frauds of any given age. No amount of evidence, no matter how strong, will bring them any enlightenment. They are the sheep who beg to be fleeced and butchered, and who will battle fiercely to preserve their right to be victimized… the U.S. Patent Office handles an endless succession of inventors who still produce perpetual-motion machines that don't work, but no number of idle flywheels will convince these zealots of their folly; dozens of these patent applications flow in every year. In ashrams all over the world, hopping devotees of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi will never abandon their goal of blissful levitation of their bodies by mind power, despite bruises and sprains aplenty suffered as they bounce about on gym mats like demented (though smiling) frogs, trying to get airborne. Absolutely nothing will discourage them."
-James Randi5 -
Oh and it just says caffeine works for some people in the conclusion. Which is not unique to green tea and would be true for anyone particularly sensitive to the effects of caffeine. It can be a useful stimulant and appetite suppressant which will equal higher NEAT and fewer consumed calories. Et voila, a change in the CICO equation that results in a little weight loss.
Once again, green tea isn't significantly magical.3 -
Yes, green tea is staple in my diet.
Because I like it, it has caffeine, it keeps me warm, and I try to replace my desire to snack endlessly all day with zero calorie beverages.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Oh and it just says caffeine works for some people in the conclusion. Which is not unique to green tea and would be true for anyone particularly sensitive to the effects of caffeine. It can be a useful stimulant and appetite suppressant which will equal higher NEAT and fewer consumed calories. Et voila, a change in the CICO equation that results in a little weight loss.
Once again, green tea isn't significantly magical.
Didn't say it was magical. More like one of many pieces available for a healthy lifestyle. I would put green tea right underneath water: each one you drink is a soda you are not drinking. You guys are missing the point here. If someone is doing something that has a minor effect on their metabolism and a major effect when it comes to lowering their calorie intake you should let them have it.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Oh and it just says caffeine works for some people in the conclusion. Which is not unique to green tea and would be true for anyone particularly sensitive to the effects of caffeine. It can be a useful stimulant and appetite suppressant which will equal higher NEAT and fewer consumed calories. Et voila, a change in the CICO equation that results in a little weight loss.
Once again, green tea isn't significantly magical.
Didn't say it was magical. More like one of many pieces available for a healthy lifestyle. I would put green tea right underneath water: each one you drink is a soda you are not drinking. You guys are missing the point here. If someone is doing something that has a minor effect on their metabolism and a major effect when it comes to lowering their calorie intake you should let them have it.
Nobody has told the OP that she has to quit taking green tea extract. People are just pointing out that that despite individual studies that show a small benefit, meta-analysis of overall studies doesn't show that there is any real weight loss benefit to taking green tea extract.4 -
Actually, I would recommend quitting green tea extract. Green tea itself is good and will help you lose a pound here or there over the long haul. If it's replacing soda it will help you lose a lot of weight due to removing calories from your diet. Green tea extract, however, can be hard on your liver. I personally wouldn't stress a major organ over something that might make me lose a couple lbs over an entire year. There are better ways3
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VintageFeline wrote: »Oh and it just says caffeine works for some people in the conclusion. Which is not unique to green tea and would be true for anyone particularly sensitive to the effects of caffeine. It can be a useful stimulant and appetite suppressant which will equal higher NEAT and fewer consumed calories. Et voila, a change in the CICO equation that results in a little weight loss.
Once again, green tea isn't significantly magical.
Didn't say it was magical. More like one of many pieces available for a healthy lifestyle. I would put green tea right underneath water: each one you drink is a soda you are not drinking. You guys are missing the point here. If someone is doing something that has a minor effect on their metabolism and a major effect when it comes to lowering their calorie intake you should let them have it.
Drinking green tea is one thing, throwing money at a pill form in hopes of weight loss is another...8 -
Why is OP getting offended by realistic advice? It'll hard help your weight loss. You must being doing something else (dieting/cardio), or God may have given you divine calorie burning powers.
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Green tea!!!! I have used it!!!!! Works like a dietetic..Cleans out the old pipes..,Suppose to be healthy for you...But beware even the deracinated has caffeine!!!! So be careful.?It's labeled non......tests have shown some to have as much as three cups of coffee worth of caffeine....And that's a dietetic too...Better than having a soda....I threw away my last box after I learned the caffeine lie...Dr.oz has article on his site about it.....I'm happy your losing....And were all different...What works for you may not for others..☺0
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Green tea!!!! I have used it!!!!! Works like a dietetic..Cleans out the old pipes..,Suppose to be healthy for you...But beware even the deracinated has caffeine!!!! So be careful.?It's labeled non......tests have shown some to have as much as three cups of coffee worth of caffeine....And that's a dietetic too...Better than having a soda....I threw away my last box after I learned the caffeine lie...Dr.oz has article on his site about it.....I'm happy your losing....And were all different...What works for you may not for others..☺
@onsickmom please be careful using Dr. Oz as a source. That man is a quack.
I'm off to look up deracinated tea now. Never heard of the stuff. Thanks for bringing something new for me to learn today ! :drinker:7 -
stevencloser wrote: »2 lbs over 3 months is a drop in the ocean for anyone who really needs to lose weight and adding supplements for that little is useless for anyone who doesn't need to lose much to begin with.
We're talking here about a possible 8-10 pounds in a year when the slow weight loss that is promoted here for people who don't need to lose that much is 25-50 per year.
And the add, the bold would assume a linear relationship, which is highly unlikely to occur. IIRC, green tea has shown to be a slight appetite suppressant, which is why it could potentially help someone cut calories. But like all stimulants and suppressants, they would only last for short periods of time.So many people out here keep saying that there is no evidence that green tea helps with weight loss. smh. Does google not work for people?! Here's a link to an abstract of a 2009 study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19597519
For people who don't like to read really bland research papers, multiple studies have found that drinking green tea has a very small positive effect on weight loss. I've also read studies that say that green tea extract is hard on your liver. My takeaway is that green tea is good, but not a weight loss miracle and green tea extract is bad (if I'm going to work my liver it's going to involve beer!).
The bigger issue is, you are using one study to justify the means. If you take all the studies, as shown earlier in this thread, to look at consistency of results, they are highly unreliable and inconsistent.3
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