what are your thoughts on green tea extract?
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »all I can say is if people want to believe it burns fat, to eat in a surplus of calories and drink a lot of green tea and see if it burns fat like you claim it does.
Nobody believes it will do that. Nobody has said that. Nobody has claimed that. It would certainly be nice but....
I think we all know we need deficit to lose fat. So we look for ways to cut intake AND ways to increase the burn rate.
basically the OP said that it did burn fat,the op even said that when she takes it even eating badly she doesnt gain as much weight taking it.she stated that she saw more weight loss from taking it 3 days as compared to before. so yes, they did say that just not in those exact words.
Maybe you can take it that way. I didn't and I still don't. I pretty much hinted at this in my post on the top of this page: Calorie deficit is the only way to lose weight. On one side you can reduce the intake and eat less calories. On the other side there are ways to get your body to burn more calories. But ultimately you can't take in more calories than you burn and lose weight. I believe we all know that.
I'm being purposely vague because if I get any more detailed and don't say something exactly right, some bros will jump on that and ignore the general idea I'm trying to get across.
I appreciate all the good, helpful comments by some people here. Lots of good ones. The sarcastic, smart-arsed, get-a-dig-in ones, on the other hand... two words and they are not "Merry Christmas!"
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If I was relying on green tea to increase my calorie burn, even if it did work, which it doesn't in white people apparently even according to the study that was posted by the proponents, I would still need to lose weight instead of being done for years now.
Just saying.
Now I'll make me a pot.
Speaking of pots, the amount of active ingredient from the tea the study participants got was the equivalent of between at least 3 and 15 cups per day every day (and that's if all the active ingredient in the leaves seeps into the tea which I don't think it does so that's an optimistic amount), all for 2 pounds in 3 months. BTW. same study postulated that being used to higher amounts of caffeine (~3 cups of regular coffee per day) it would do nothing anymore. 15 cups of green tea have the caffeine of about 4.
But yeah keep saying that it's in any way shape or form a practical way to get your body to burn more calories.4 -
^^i heard that raises metabolism too:)0
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leanjogreen18 wrote: »^^i heard that raises metabolism too:)
Shhh, I edited.2 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »all I can say is if people want to believe it burns fat, to eat in a surplus of calories and drink a lot of green tea and see if it burns fat like you claim it does.
Nobody believes it will do that. Nobody has said that. Nobody has claimed that. It would certainly be nice but....
I think we all know we need deficit to lose fat. So we look for ways to cut intake AND ways to increase the burn rate.
basically the OP said that it did burn fat,the op even said that when she takes it even eating badly she doesnt gain as much weight taking it.she stated that she saw more weight loss from taking it 3 days as compared to before. so yes, they did say that just not in those exact words.
Maybe you can take it that way. I didn't and I still don't. I pretty much hinted at this in my post on the top of this page: Calorie deficit is the only way to lose weight. On one side you can reduce the intake and eat less calories. On the other side there are ways to get your body to burn more calories. But ultimately you can't take in more calories than you burn and lose weight. I believe we all know that.
I'm being purposely vague because if I get any more detailed and don't say something exactly right, some bros will jump on that and ignore the general idea I'm trying to get across.
I appreciate all the good, helpful comments by some people here. Lots of good ones. The sarcastic, smart-arsed, get-a-dig-in ones, on the other hand... two words and they are not "Merry Christmas!"
most of us know that it takes a deficit plain and simple,but not everyone knows that. some people believe the claims that these products make and think hey I can do x,y,z eat the way I want and still lose weight. people think these things burn fat,so that they can get rid of the fat without doing anything at all. people think it boosts metabolism(not enough to matter). so they believe that these things work, now for the ones who are in a deficit and using these products, some will believe its the product they are taking(I have seen it many many times with MLM products) and not the deficit.I think its up to those of us who know better to help those who may believe the hype with a lot of these products. It also helps newbies who come to these boards to know that a product doesnt work so they wont waste money, some still do just to see what happens.5 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »all I can say is if people want to believe it burns fat, to eat in a surplus of calories and drink a lot of green tea and see if it burns fat like you claim it does.
Nobody believes it will do that. Nobody has said that. Nobody has claimed that. It would certainly be nice but....
I think we all know we need deficit to lose fat. So we look for ways to cut intake AND ways to increase the burn rate.
Are you kidding me?!?! The OP claimed it. 10 lbs in 3 days...5 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »all I can say is if people want to believe it burns fat, to eat in a surplus of calories and drink a lot of green tea and see if it burns fat like you claim it does.
Nobody believes it will do that. Nobody has said that. Nobody has claimed that. It would certainly be nice but....
I think we all know we need deficit to lose fat. So we look for ways to cut intake AND ways to increase the burn rate.
From OP:missafwilliams wrote: »Well I have only been starting my keto lifestyle change for three days now. I love green tea because of all its benefit. So I thought why not implement green tea extract pills in my keto lifestyle to burn the optimal amount of fat.
So yeah, she kinda does believe green tea extract will burn body fat.4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »all I can say is if people want to believe it burns fat, to eat in a surplus of calories and drink a lot of green tea and see if it burns fat like you claim it does.
Nobody believes it will do that. Nobody has said that. Nobody has claimed that. It would certainly be nice but....
I think we all know we need deficit to lose fat. So we look for ways to cut intake AND ways to increase the burn rate.
Are you kidding me?!?! The OP claimed it. 10 lbs in 3 days...
The OP said she burned 10 lbs in 3 days due solely to green tea extract and absolutely no other changes at all? Is that what you are claiming? Because that is what I'm disputing.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »all I can say is if people want to believe it burns fat, to eat in a surplus of calories and drink a lot of green tea and see if it burns fat like you claim it does.
Nobody believes it will do that. Nobody has said that. Nobody has claimed that. It would certainly be nice but....
I think we all know we need deficit to lose fat. So we look for ways to cut intake AND ways to increase the burn rate.
basically the OP said that it did burn fat,the op even said that when she takes it even eating badly she doesnt gain as much weight taking it.she stated that she saw more weight loss from taking it 3 days as compared to before. so yes, they did say that just not in those exact words.
Maybe you can take it that way. I didn't and I still don't. I pretty much hinted at this in my post on the top of this page: Calorie deficit is the only way to lose weight. On one side you can reduce the intake and eat less calories. On the other side there are ways to get your body to burn more calories. But ultimately you can't take in more calories than you burn and lose weight. I believe we all know that.
I'm being purposely vague because if I get any more detailed and don't say something exactly right, some bros will jump on that and ignore the general idea I'm trying to get across.
I appreciate all the good, helpful comments by some people here. Lots of good ones. The sarcastic, smart-arsed, get-a-dig-in ones, on the other hand... two words and they are not "Merry Christmas!"
most of us know that it takes a deficit plain and simple,but not everyone knows that. some people believe the claims that these products make and think hey I can do x,y,z eat the way I want and still lose weight. people think these things burn fat,so that they can get rid of the fat without doing anything at all. people think it boosts metabolism(not enough to matter). so they believe that these things work, now for the ones who are in a deficit and using these products, some will believe its the product they are taking(I have seen it many many times with MLM products) and not the deficit.I think its up to those of us who know better to help those who may believe the hype with a lot of these products. It also helps newbies who come to these boards to know that a product doesnt work so they wont waste money, some still do just to see what happens.
Back in the early 90s I got involved in a MLM program for a product called Enrich. I, my mother and several friends, all obese, used products called Power Trim and Nature's Tea plus a couple other of their supplements. We all lost a TON in a very short time. It was not all water weight. Very rapid loss. Then the FDA banned one of the ingredients and it never worked the same again. I can't remember what it was they banned. We did eat less, smaller appetites, but it wasn't that much less to achieve that much of a drastic loss in such a short time. I was eating tacos and ice cream anf losing fat. No exercise at all. Same with all of us.
Of course, we had no plan and gained it all back. I mention this because I do believe there are supplements that can help one lose weight more rapidly. I don't really know how or why they work but try as I might, I never was able to replicate that loss again. None of us could and we all tried many times. Bottom line is that nobody will ever convince me that there's no such thing as a supplement that can help rapidly burn fat. That one got banned but there could be other, safer ones that help.
Now I believe I'm doing it the right way by making a lifestyle change, using MFP and losing weight slow. I'm a type 2 diabetic and in my research I found that green tea has some benefits for me so I take it. I understand some studies conflict but I just try to do the best I can. I hate green tea so I take a supplement and will continue to do so.
That said, with all due respect, I'm done with this one. At least for now. I think this has been beat to death.2 -
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It's mostly water. Are there actual benefits for weight loss? Anecdotally for many yes. Drink it if you like it, but without a calorie deficit, NO DRINK has any actual advantage over another if the calories are equal.
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So do you think in 3 days, the green tea burned off 28,000 fat calories? Honest question here.missafwilliams wrote: »It's bad to go head straight into keto.
Only a fool I believe does not prepare for something in advance ( my opinion, not subjected to anyone)
So I have been preparing myself a week in advance. sticking to my calorie goal and macro of 70:25:5
My activity stayed the same because I've reached daily goal consistently of (12000 -13000 steps) according to my fitbit.
However I only started taking green tea extracts on Monday ( 3 days ago).
From that stats, I compared.
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If green tea burns fat ...
Then does the green tea coating on green tea Kit Kats cancel out the calories of the Kit Kat?
I ask because there are green tea Kit Kats in the shop downstairs which call my name from time to time ...
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(And no, of course I don't think green tea has magical qualities of cancelling out the rest of the calories in the Kit Kat.
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I have a store nearby that carries them. Japanese Kit Kats come in a ton of interesting flavors. I've been keeping an eye out for the sake flavored ones they just released for a friend. Hehe0 -
Oh, I've had them - wasn't a fan! I didn't like the strawberry yoghurt ones either. Though the Matcha soft Oreos are a treat!0 -
missafwilliams wrote: »It's bad to go head straight into keto.
Only a fool I believe does not prepare for something in advance ( my opinion, not subjected to anyone)
So I have been preparing myself a week in advance. sticking to my calorie goal and macro of 70:25:5
My activity stayed the same because I've reached daily goal consistently of (12000 -13000 steps) according to my fitbit.
However I only started taking green tea extracts on Monday ( 3 days ago).
From that stats, I compared.
Ok, so you're a scientific person. Fine. If you say you lot 10lbs of fat in three days with eating potentially just under maintenance, what did happen with this excess energy? After all, 75000kcal is quite a lot of energy, and energy just doesn't go poof. How much did the temperature in your bed room increase over night?
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http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Research/High-doses-of-green-tea-extract-linked-to-liver-damage-in-research
Just going to leave this here for OP
Good link. Has this quote:The good news:
While these developments are bleak for supplements with high doses of green tea extract, those with low or moderate levels appear to be safe, according to the research. And certainly drinking several cups of regular green tea daily is fine, Bonkovsky said.
He also acknowledged recent studies that support the efficacy of moderate doses to improve fat oxidation, body composition and performance. A study in January’s Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition found healthy active men who took green tea extract equal to about six or seven cups of tea per day experienced a 25% increase in fat oxidation, compared to no change in the men who took the placebo.
This study followed a previous mouse study published in 2014 that found green tea extract and exercise can reduce body mass almost 30%, abdominal fat almost 40% and improve fasting blood sugar and insulin levels.
The juxtaposition of these findings and the dangers detected in research focused on high doses suggest that, as is the case with most things, moderation is the key, Bonkovsky concluded.
So green tea has a variety of benefits, including fat loss, insulin levels and fasting blood sugar. Too much of a good thing can be a negative. Much like a lot of things out there. Not claiming anything is magical, of course. But those spreading the falsehood that green tea has absolutely no effect on fat loss are essentially lying.
So none of the rat studies referenced in the article are linked anymore. But if you want to look at human trials, the only linked study is: http://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-014-0062-7
It's an observation study, uncontrolled calories (except a 3 day recall). In fact, their diet was based on their normal eating habits. So there is potential that there was some influence there. From my understand, it would suggest higher dosages of green tea extract can influence substrate utilization (increases fat metabolism and decrease CHO metabolism). This is similar to if you increase fats and decrease carbs. Either way, at best we are talking a 2% increased fat loss over a short period of time, if you are a young male (~21yr old).
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Yes, I like Kit-Kats.
I also like green tea, too.
Green tea Kit-Kats, um...3 -
Green tea has caffeine, caffeine is a stimulant but other then that ...0
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Chamomile has a natural pain reducer so maybe that is why it relaxes you.0 -
So this is still happening huh?
Awsome...8 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »all I can say is if people want to believe it burns fat, to eat in a surplus of calories and drink a lot of green tea and see if it burns fat like you claim it does.
Nobody believes it will do that. Nobody has said that. Nobody has claimed that. It would certainly be nice but....
I think we all know we need deficit to lose fat. So we look for ways to cut intake AND ways to increase the burn rate.
basically the OP said that it did burn fat,the op even said that when she takes it even eating badly she doesnt gain as much weight taking it.she stated that she saw more weight loss from taking it 3 days as compared to before. so yes, they did say that just not in those exact words.
Maybe you can take it that way. I didn't and I still don't. I pretty much hinted at this in my post on the top of this page: Calorie deficit is the only way to lose weight. On one side you can reduce the intake and eat less calories. On the other side there are ways to get your body to burn more calories. But ultimately you can't take in more calories than you burn and lose weight. I believe we all know that.
I'm being purposely vague because if I get any more detailed and don't say something exactly right, some bros will jump on that and ignore the general idea I'm trying to get across.
I appreciate all the good, helpful comments by some people here. Lots of good ones. The sarcastic, smart-arsed, get-a-dig-in ones, on the other hand... two words and they are not "Merry Christmas!"
most of us know that it takes a deficit plain and simple,but not everyone knows that. some people believe the claims that these products make and think hey I can do x,y,z eat the way I want and still lose weight. people think these things burn fat,so that they can get rid of the fat without doing anything at all. people think it boosts metabolism(not enough to matter). so they believe that these things work, now for the ones who are in a deficit and using these products, some will believe its the product they are taking(I have seen it many many times with MLM products) and not the deficit.I think its up to those of us who know better to help those who may believe the hype with a lot of these products. It also helps newbies who come to these boards to know that a product doesnt work so they wont waste money, some still do just to see what happens.
Back in the early 90s I got involved in a MLM program for a product called Enrich. I, my mother and several friends, all obese, used products called Power Trim and Nature's Tea plus a couple other of their supplements. We all lost a TON in a very short time. It was not all water weight. Very rapid loss. Then the FDA banned one of the ingredients and it never worked the same again. I can't remember what it was they banned. We did eat less, smaller appetites, but it wasn't that much less to achieve that much of a drastic loss in such a short time. I was eating tacos and ice cream anf losing fat. No exercise at all. Same with all of us.
Of course, we had no plan and gained it all back. I mention this because I do believe there are supplements that can help one lose weight more rapidly. I don't really know how or why they work but try as I might, I never was able to replicate that loss again. None of us could and we all tried many times. Bottom line is that nobody will ever convince me that there's no such thing as a supplement that can help rapidly burn fat. That one got banned but there could be other, safer ones that help.
Now I believe I'm doing it the right way by making a lifestyle change, using MFP and losing weight slow. I'm a type 2 diabetic and in my research I found that green tea has some benefits for me so I take it. I understand some studies conflict but I just try to do the best I can. I hate green tea so I take a supplement and will continue to do so.
That said, with all due respect, I'm done with this one. At least for now. I think this has been beat to death.
I think it was probably ephedra. One of the effects is that it is actually mildly thermogenic (as opposed to the current marketing claims for various thermogenic products that when tested are complete bunk). Since it causes you to generate more heat than you would normally, it increases CO a bit and can help with weight loss. Additionally, it was often combined with an appetite suppressant to increase the weight loss effect.
Unfortunately, misusing it (or using it when you have underlying heart issues that you may not be aware of) can lead to death. Plus, you can turn it into illegal drugs with some chemistry know-how. So, it was banned.
Point being, yes, there are substances that when studied have been shown to reliably increase CO to some degree. None of those are available as legal supplements to the best of my knowledge. Substances that reduce CI tend to be more available to the general public.1 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »all I can say is if people want to believe it burns fat, to eat in a surplus of calories and drink a lot of green tea and see if it burns fat like you claim it does.
Nobody believes it will do that. Nobody has said that. Nobody has claimed that. It would certainly be nice but....
I think we all know we need deficit to lose fat. So we look for ways to cut intake AND ways to increase the burn rate.
basically the OP said that it did burn fat,the op even said that when she takes it even eating badly she doesnt gain as much weight taking it.she stated that she saw more weight loss from taking it 3 days as compared to before. so yes, they did say that just not in those exact words.
Maybe you can take it that way. I didn't and I still don't. I pretty much hinted at this in my post on the top of this page: Calorie deficit is the only way to lose weight. On one side you can reduce the intake and eat less calories. On the other side there are ways to get your body to burn more calories. But ultimately you can't take in more calories than you burn and lose weight. I believe we all know that.
I'm being purposely vague because if I get any more detailed and don't say something exactly right, some bros will jump on that and ignore the general idea I'm trying to get across.
I appreciate all the good, helpful comments by some people here. Lots of good ones. The sarcastic, smart-arsed, get-a-dig-in ones, on the other hand... two words and they are not "Merry Christmas!"
most of us know that it takes a deficit plain and simple,but not everyone knows that. some people believe the claims that these products make and think hey I can do x,y,z eat the way I want and still lose weight. people think these things burn fat,so that they can get rid of the fat without doing anything at all. people think it boosts metabolism(not enough to matter). so they believe that these things work, now for the ones who are in a deficit and using these products, some will believe its the product they are taking(I have seen it many many times with MLM products) and not the deficit.I think its up to those of us who know better to help those who may believe the hype with a lot of these products. It also helps newbies who come to these boards to know that a product doesnt work so they wont waste money, some still do just to see what happens.
Back in the early 90s I got involved in a MLM program for a product called Enrich. I, my mother and several friends, all obese, used products called Power Trim and Nature's Tea plus a couple other of their supplements. We all lost a TON in a very short time. It was not all water weight. Very rapid loss. Then the FDA banned one of the ingredients and it never worked the same again. I can't remember what it was they banned. We did eat less, smaller appetites, but it wasn't that much less to achieve that much of a drastic loss in such a short time. I was eating tacos and ice cream anf losing fat. No exercise at all. Same with all of us.
Of course, we had no plan and gained it all back. I mention this because I do believe there are supplements that can help one lose weight more rapidly. I don't really know how or why they work but try as I might, I never was able to replicate that loss again. None of us could and we all tried many times. Bottom line is that nobody will ever convince me that there's no such thing as a supplement that can help rapidly burn fat. That one got banned but there could be other, safer ones that help.
Now I believe I'm doing it the right way by making a lifestyle change, using MFP and losing weight slow. I'm a type 2 diabetic and in my research I found that green tea has some benefits for me so I take it. I understand some studies conflict but I just try to do the best I can. I hate green tea so I take a supplement and will continue to do so.
That said, with all due respect, I'm done with this one. At least for now. I think this has been beat to death.
I think it was probably ephedra. One of the effects is that it is actually mildly thermogenic (as opposed to the current marketing claims for various thermogenic products that when tested are complete bunk). Since it causes you to generate more heat than you would normally, it increases CO a bit and can help with weight loss. Additionally, it was often combined with an appetite suppressant to increase the weight loss effect.
Unfortunately, misusing it (or using it when you have underlying heart issues that you may not be aware of) can lead to death. Plus, you can turn it into illegal drugs with some chemistry know-how. So, it was banned.
Point being, yes, there are substances that when studied have been shown to reliably increase CO to some degree. None of those are available as legal supplements to the best of my knowledge. Substances that reduce CI tend to be more available to the general public.
I think ephedra was in the 2000s but my memory isn't the best. I tried ephedra too. That was in Stacker2. Did not work for me. Enrich's Power Trim and Nature's Tea worked wonders for everyone I knew who tried it.0 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »
I have a store nearby that carries them. Japanese Kit Kats come in a ton of interesting flavors. I've been keeping an eye out for the sake flavored ones they just released for a friend. Hehe
Apologies for going off topic, but are they as sweet as US kitkats? And chocolate covered? Or are they more like wine biscuits ? I'm having trouble reconciling chocolate and green tea.0 -
I've had them. They are REALLY REALLY good. Got mine when I visited Hershey Park.
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Wynterbourne wrote: »
I have a store nearby that carries them. Japanese Kit Kats come in a ton of interesting flavors. I've been keeping an eye out for the sake flavored ones they just released for a friend. Hehe
Apologies for going off topic, but are they as sweet as US kitkats? And chocolate covered? Or are they more like wine biscuits ? I'm having trouble reconciling chocolate and green tea.
Regarding green tea Kit Kats ...
No, they are not particularly sweet. They do have some sweetness, but it is not overly sweet, and there's a hint of bitterness to it. That's one of the things I like about them.
No, they are not chocolate covered ... they're covered in green tea. It's a green tea coating ... sort of like an icing, with a similar consistency to the chocolate that covers chocolate Kit Kats. There's a chance it might be mixed with white chocolate, but I don't detect any chocolate flavour at all.
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Wynterbourne wrote: »
I have a store nearby that carries them. Japanese Kit Kats come in a ton of interesting flavors. I've been keeping an eye out for the sake flavored ones they just released for a friend. Hehe
Apologies for going off topic, but are they as sweet as US kitkats? And chocolate covered? Or are they more like wine biscuits ? I'm having trouble reconciling chocolate and green tea.
Regarding green tea Kit Kats ...
No, they are not particularly sweet. They do have some sweetness, but it is not overly sweet, and there's a hint of bitterness to it. That's one of the things I like about them.
No, they are not chocolate covered ... they're covered in green tea. It's a green tea coating ... sort of like an icing, with a similar consistency to the chocolate that covers chocolate Kit Kats. There's a chance it might be mixed with white chocolate, but I don't detect any chocolate flavour at all.
It actually is white chocolate mixed with green tea. I usually don't much care for white but in this case...
A quarter of my suitcase is usually filled with those goodies when I go to Japan! Sadly I had the last one just yesterday and my next trip isn't for sometime...2
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