what are your thoughts on green tea extract?
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
...we'll have to stick with the science we have.
Exactly. We can all pick the scientific facts we like and go with them.
But the conflict occurs when things are held up as being scientifically factual when they really aren't. Science may prove them right in the future, but until then they are merely speculation.
And in a lot of cases, a whole pile of woo.
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Therealobi1 wrote: »has anyone tried green tea salted caramel flavour, wondering if that one taste nice
Haven't tried it, but I think it would either be amazing or completely awful - seems like one of those combos for which there wouldn't be much middle ground. 1 -
Man I have to start creating and selling supplements. There is a fortune to be had...7
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »has anyone tried green tea salted caramel flavour, wondering if that one taste nice
Haven't tried it, but I think it would either be amazing or completely awful - seems like one of those combos for which there wouldn't be much middle ground.
I've had green tea ice cream which was surprisingly good...6 -
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missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
Some people just love arguing about everything. Their only goal in repeatedly asking you questions instead of just using Bing themselves is to make you look stupid, not to correct any misinformation or have any kind of conversation - if that were the case they'd just discuss what they know instead of trying to force you into answering their questions while they sit coiled up waiting to strike. They get off trying to make you look and feel stupid. They aren't wasting their time if they get a rise out of you. Don't let them.
We are not all the same. What works for one person might not work for another. As I said earlier: whatever works, do it! I'll be taking my green tea extract as well.
No, it's called the "burden of proof". When the overwhelming majority of the scientific community know the facts say it does nothing for fat loss, the burden of proof lies on the person making the wild claim. That's just the way it works.
If someone comes in and says the earth is flat, do you really think the majority need to point out why it is not? Yes, this debate is on the same level of silliness.
And some people get off on the debate instead of just posting their opinion and moving on.
You are free to believe anything you like. However, if you try to convince others then you have to provide proof. On a site like this one where the majority of folks are here to learn about health and weight loss, any bro science that is not challenged will look to the first timer like it is a fact. Then they end up wasting their time and money on nonsense.
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It's not that I don't believe science, it's just in this area I take it with a grain of salt. Because salt is good for you right? Or is it bad this week. Coffee is good... or is it bad. We all know eggs are bad.... but not the whites. The yolks are good for you this week but they won't be next week. Margarine is better than butter, right? You want to talk about "facts" - in science those facts seem to change pretty often because nobody has a grasp of all it yet in nutrition and weight loss. Some think they do but they don't. There are studies all over the place that contradict each other. The ones I read were pro-green tea. And it was one of the few, if not only things that was better in pill form than drinking (as I posted earlier). So I really don't care what "facts" any of the "bros" here post. I intend to keep using it. I actually feel positive effects from it. You say it's all in my mind? If it is, it's still worth the pennies I spend on it every day. I make good money, I can afford it.
We should stop looking at individual studies. This is what gets folks in trouble. Major news sites are notorious for this. Anyone can find a study or 2 to back up their beliefs. The great thing about the scientific method is that it is self correcting. One study is meaningless unless it can be reproduced. If you want to know the facts as best as they are currently available, look at ALL the studies and see the trend. That is the point of meta analysis and that is how science works.
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missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
Some people just love arguing about everything. Their only goal in repeatedly asking you questions instead of just using Bing themselves is to make you look stupid, not to correct any misinformation or have any kind of conversation - if that were the case they'd just discuss what they know instead of trying to force you into answering their questions while they sit coiled up waiting to strike. They get off trying to make you look and feel stupid. They aren't wasting their time if they get a rise out of you. Don't let them.
We are not all the same. What works for one person might not work for another. As I said earlier: whatever works, do it! I'll be taking my green tea extract as well.
No, it's called the "burden of proof". When the overwhelming majority of the scientific community know the facts say it does nothing for fat loss, the burden of proof lies on the person making the wild claim. That's just the way it works.
If someone comes in and says the earth is flat, do you really think the majority need to point out why it is not? Yes, this debate is on the same level of silliness.
And some people get off on the debate instead of just posting their opinion and moving on.
You are free to believe anything you like. However, if you try to convince others then you have to provide proof. On a site like this one where the majority of folks are here to learn about health and weight loss, any bro science that is not challenged will look to the first timer like it is a fact. Then they end up wasting their time and money on nonsense.
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It's not that I don't believe science, it's just in this area I take it with a grain of salt. Because salt is good for you right? Or is it bad this week. Coffee is good... or is it bad. We all know eggs are bad.... but not the whites. The yolks are good for you this week but they won't be next week. Margarine is better than butter, right? You want to talk about "facts" - in science those facts seem to change pretty often because nobody has a grasp of all it yet in nutrition and weight loss. Some think they do but they don't. There are studies all over the place that contradict each other. The ones I read were pro-green tea. And it was one of the few, if not only things that was better in pill form than drinking (as I posted earlier). So I really don't care what "facts" any of the "bros" here post. I intend to keep using it. I actually feel positive effects from it. You say it's all in my mind? If it is, it's still worth the pennies I spend on it every day. I make good money, I can afford it.
We should stop looking at individual studies. This is what gets folks in trouble. Major news sites are notorious for this. Anyone can find a study or 2 to back up their beliefs. The great thing about the scientific method is that it is self correcting. One study is meaningless unless it can be reproduced. If you want to know the facts as best as they are currently available, look at ALL the studies and see the trend. That is the point of meta analysis and that is how science works.
Another thing that is important is dosage and controls. More often than not (and this is seen a lot in aspartame studies) is the dosages is crazy high to have an effect. That is why i love examine.com is because they look at all available studies (and link them) to develop a conclusion.4 -
Green tea extract pills
Do nothing for weight loss, but
Wallet gets lighter.
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Many teas are nice
Some may have health benefits
But not extract pills7 -
missafwilliams wrote: »you keep doing what works for you. And I will keep doing me.
I gave well cited sources supporting my hypothesis.
People are subjective and perceive things differently based on there own experiences.
Please stop wasting your time .
Tomorrow morning I will still wake up take my green tea extracts and drink my yummy green tea regardless of what you claim.
Bye.
Some people just love arguing about everything. Their only goal in repeatedly asking you questions instead of just using Bing themselves is to make you look stupid, not to correct any misinformation or have any kind of conversation - if that were the case they'd just discuss what they know instead of trying to force you into answering their questions while they sit coiled up waiting to strike. They get off trying to make you look and feel stupid. They aren't wasting their time if they get a rise out of you. Don't let them.
We are not all the same. What works for one person might not work for another. As I said earlier: whatever works, do it! I'll be taking my green tea extract as well.
No, it's called the "burden of proof". When the overwhelming majority of the scientific community know the facts say it does nothing for fat loss, the burden of proof lies on the person making the wild claim. That's just the way it works.
If someone comes in and says the earth is flat, do you really think the majority need to point out why it is not? Yes, this debate is on the same level of silliness.
And some people get off on the debate instead of just posting their opinion and moving on.
You are free to believe anything you like. However, if you try to convince others then you have to provide proof. On a site like this one where the majority of folks are here to learn about health and weight loss, any bro science that is not challenged will look to the first timer like it is a fact. Then they end up wasting their time and money on nonsense.
...
It's not that I don't believe science, it's just in this area I take it with a grain of salt. Because salt is good for you right? Or is it bad this week. Coffee is good... or is it bad. We all know eggs are bad.... but not the whites. The yolks are good for you this week but they won't be next week. Margarine is better than butter, right? You want to talk about "facts" - in science those facts seem to change pretty often because nobody has a grasp of all it yet in nutrition and weight loss. Some think they do but they don't. There are studies all over the place that contradict each other. The ones I read were pro-green tea. And it was one of the few, if not only things that was better in pill form than drinking (as I posted earlier). So I really don't care what "facts" any of the "bros" here post. I intend to keep using it. I actually feel positive effects from it. You say it's all in my mind? If it is, it's still worth the pennies I spend on it every day. I make good money, I can afford it.
We should stop looking at individual studies. This is what gets folks in trouble. Major news sites are notorious for this. Anyone can find a study or 2 to back up their beliefs. The great thing about the scientific method is that it is self correcting. One study is meaningless unless it can be reproduced. If you want to know the facts as best as they are currently available, look at ALL the studies and see the trend. That is the point of meta analysis and that is how science works.
Another thing that is important is dosage and controls. More often than not (and this is seen a lot in aspartame studies) is the dosages is crazy high to have an effect. That is why i love examine.com is because they look at all available studies (and link them) to develop a conclusion.
Examine.com is one of my top sources when researching a supplement also. And regarding Green Tea Extract, the entry in the Human Effect Matrix says:
(and there are links to six scientific studies verifying that information).There appears to be a fat reducing effect associated with green tea, but it is minor and unreliable.
Green Tea Extract is one of those woo scam products that was pimped by Dr. Oz as a "miracle fat burner". Green tea itself has several beneficial effects, but weight/fat loss is not one of them.3 -
Many teas are nice
But coffee without a doubt
Beats green tea extract10 -
What? Haters are going to hate? None of these replies have any hate in them.missafwilliams wrote: »Haters are going to hate.
I'll keep doing what works for me. So far I have lost 15 kg, (33 lbs) all by myself. Without all the advice from all the " dietians" on mfp.
Just keep doing what works for you okay loves.
Good luck to all on there journey to self -actualization and weight loss.
Stay safe.
Bottom line, scientific fact: all you need to lose weight is a calorie deficit, no green tea or any other product necessary.
I guarantee you your quick loss as stated above was water loss. Fat loss does not happen that quickly.
Good luck on your journey as well.
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I'm not really a green tea fan, but have found that green tea extract supplements help reduce my appetite. So I generally pop a few a day.1
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littlemissbgiff wrote: »OP, you're going to need all that tea to cut down all your salt
Oh snap.5 -
The only green tea extract I need to lose weight is when my belly extracts it from a matcha latte.
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(and a caloric deficit).
On a more serious note, @wanzik , saying that the OP doesn't need to provide the proof when she is refuting another's opinions is the equivalent of her starting the thread saying "I make the best chocolate cake in the world" and complaining that we don't agree when she wont give us the recipe, but expects us to provide one of our own.
Feel free to keep taking your green tea extract capsule thingies anyway. I hear that the placebo effect is pretty powerful for some people.6 -
missafwilliams wrote: »Is green tea a stable in your diet too?
Nope.
I tried to like it way back when it first started appearing on supermarket shelves years ago ... but it just doesn't appeal. I've tried it a few times since, and probably have some in the cupboard ... but it still doesn't appeal. Green tea with mandarin is tolerable and I'll have that once in a while, but I think the last time I had it was ... hmmm ... over a year ago.
I do, however, drink lemon-ginger tea and rooibos chai tea. Those I like and can drink them without any sort of dairy products or sweeteners.
Green Tea Kit Kats are good, however.
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I can't believe that this is still a "discussion". There are no fat loss benefits of Green Tea.6
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