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You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.11
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Maven_of_the_Strings wrote: »
In short, this set out to try to compare HIIT with other exercises but the conclusion just really talks about the results of the tests. It doesn't really delve into the comparison of other exercises except in regards to (essentially) saying that HIIT takes less time than other exercises in regards to reaching certain conditions. Which is kind of a "duh".
But that doesn't support you telling people to stop walking and do HIIT, especially as you have no clue as to where they are coming/starting from physically and therefore could encourage them to jump into something that may be to much for them at this time. Which in turn could lead to them quitting.
Of course it doesn't help when you also follow it up with insinuating people are scared of a challenge or are lazy. Because that's basically what you've done in the way you've come off in your responses to a few.
The stop walking was meant to come off as , stop doing the same thing you've been doing and mix it up... how was this not clear, the entire message was disregarded and again people just focused on a minute detail which was meant as an example0 -
Maven_of_the_Strings wrote: »
I like where it says this:
"Importantly, as some types of exercise are contraindicated in certain patient populations and HIIT is a complex concept for those unfamiliar to exercise, some patients may require specific assessment or instruction before commencing a HIIT program."
Which is pretty much opposite of how the main post went about pushing HIIT.
Hiit was a suggestion and example... lol again people missed the overall message
No, I think that "My way is the only correct way" came through quite clearly.
Then you should go and read it again from a non biased and judgmental stanpoint because it wasn't my intention at all nor was it implied in the least bit, is my thumbnail pic threatening or something? Your preconceived notion had to of come from somewhere
"...stop walking on the treadmill for hours and hours..."
"Doing the same exercises over and over again, day i and day out while at first you'll lose some weight, will only lead to a plateau and slow progression with your goals."
Sure sounds like someone saying you have to follow my way. And I find it pretty condescending you think everyone wants to look like you or/and that anyone that argues against you is somehow jealous of you.7 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
If someone has the goal of fat loss and they have a low tolerance for exerting themselves and so they choose to use easier exercises and not push too hard in the gym, the net result may be that they don't reap maximal benefit from their training, but the trade off could be that they keep going to the gym instead of quitting.
And being consistent over several months is a LOT better than quitting.
This is an important thing to think about.
This is so true, but at what point does one get to the level that they can do more ? See what I'm saying?
I'm nit talking to people who its their first day, I'm talking to the people who consistently walk miles, do the same routines and who can and should push to the next level.. if you can walk miles on a treadmill then you can jog a little, possibly sprint and get the heart rate up more
I'm not saying first day in the gym go balls to the wall lol no I'm saying yes be consistent by all means but make small steps forward over time and push yourself, the hiit was an example not a *kitten* exercise plan..
"Should." Right there. That's your problem. That isn't a decision you get to make for others, and you don't get to be judgmental about it. That is what people are responding to in this thread -- bossy, judgy, superior nonsense from a guy who seems to think big muscles are more important than happiness, health, or anything else.
Its not my problem lol its yours, and yes you SHOULD always push yourself
Why? Last time I checked, I was an adult and you weren't in any way in charge of my choices.10 -
Maven_of_the_Strings wrote: »
I like where it says this:
"Importantly, as some types of exercise are contraindicated in certain patient populations and HIIT is a complex concept for those unfamiliar to exercise, some patients may require specific assessment or instruction before commencing a HIIT program."
Which is pretty much opposite of how the main post went about pushing HIIT.
Hiit was a suggestion and example... lol again people missed the overall message
No, I think that "My way is the only correct way" came through quite clearly.
Then you should go and read it again from a non biased and judgmental stanpoint because it wasn't my intention at all nor was it implied in the least bit, is my thumbnail pic threatening or something? Your preconceived notion had to of come from somewhere
Then clarify my notion.
Please restate your message if it didn't say that people are doing the wrong thing if they aren't constantly ramping up and/or changing their exercise routine.1 -
You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.
How? I'm not judging anyone, what I'm saying is if being healthy and fit is your goal then its necessary to push yourself
I feel as though people are just being argumentative just out of boredom or something, this *kitten* is pretty basic stuff
The first time working out you had to push yourself as time went on you didn't remain stagnant and do the same routine with the same intensity you pushed more and more... so how does me saying push yourself come off so negatively lol *kitten* meant to be inspiring but people are getting offended and feeling attacked and its seemingly a insecurity thing or something
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How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
If someone has the goal of fat loss and they have a low tolerance for exerting themselves and so they choose to use easier exercises and not push too hard in the gym, the net result may be that they don't reap maximal benefit from their training, but the trade off could be that they keep going to the gym instead of quitting.
And being consistent over several months is a LOT better than quitting.
This is an important thing to think about.
This is so true, but at what point does one get to the level that they can do more ? See what I'm saying?
I'm nit talking to people who its their first day, I'm talking to the people who consistently walk miles, do the same routines and who can and should push to the next level.. if you can walk miles on a treadmill then you can jog a little, possibly sprint and get the heart rate up more
I'm not saying first day in the gym go balls to the wall lol no I'm saying yes be consistent by all means but make small steps forward over time and push yourself, the hiit was an example not a *kitten* exercise plan..
Right now I'm working out without the goal of pushing harder or improving. I'm at a place where the goal is to just work out consistently, even if I never do any better than I'm doing right now. And guess what? I'm not "cheating myself," and I'm not an inferior person in any way for not trying to improve.
I can walk miles and miles. I can't run anymore. It hurts my hip too much. And when my hip hurts too much, I can't squat with good form either. "Pushing" on any type of cardio increases my odds of injuring myself AGAIN, and I'm *kitten* sick and tired of being injured.
I don't need to get my heart rate up more, I don't need to do anything more than exactly what I'm doing to maintain my BMI of 21, and I don't need condescending know-it-alls telling me I'm doing it wrong. My goal is to have a healthy body that I can enjoy for the rest of my life with minimal pain, and your broad-stroke advice is terrible for me. It's also terrible and discouraging for many, many people on this board who are limited in ability in some way.10 -
You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.
How? I'm not judging anyone, what I'm saying is if being healthy and fit is your goal then its necessary to push yourself
I feel as though people are just being argumentative just out of boredom or something, this *kitten* is pretty basic stuff
The first time working out you had to push yourself as time went on you didn't remain stagnant and do the same routine with the same intensity you pushed more and more... so how does me saying push yourself come off so negatively lol *kitten* meant to be inspiring but people are getting offended and feeling attacked and its seemingly a insecurity thing or something
Pretty sure the first time I worked out I completely overdid it and then had to have my "1st day" all over again a few times before realizing that pacing one's self is perfectly fine.5 -
If you don't understand how saying what someone is doing is wrong (when they are getting the results they want and are HAPPY, emphasized happy cause that's the ultimate goal) and the SHOULD do this is a text book judgemental statement, I don't know what else to tell ya.You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.
How? I'm not judging anyone, what I'm saying is if being healthy and fit is your goal then its necessary to push yourself
I feel as though people are just being argumentative just out of boredom or something, this *kitten* is pretty basic stuff
The first time working out you had to push yourself as time went on you didn't remain stagnant and do the same routine with the same intensity you pushed more and more... so how does me saying push yourself come off so negatively lol *kitten* meant to be inspiring but people are getting offended and feeling attacked and its seemingly a insecurity thing or something11 -
OP, this is a sincere question--how much time have you spent reading the MFP forums and understanding the general vibe/cultural around here? It does not seem as if you have been at it that long and I think that was likely a big reason why your thread has not gone over well. If you would have spent more time learning about the people on the boards, not necessarily individually but as a group, you would have had a better idea of your audience and how to approach a topic. You sound really excited and into what you are talking about, which is great, but in general it is best to be a bit of a known poster before trying to "be inspiring." The odds are it would just come off better. Especially if your wording wasn't so absolute.8
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If you don't understand how saying what someone is doing is wrong (when they are getting the results they want and are HAPPY, emphasized happy cause that's the ultimate goal) and the SHOULD do this is a text book judgemental statement, I don't know what else to tell ya.You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.
How? I'm not judging anyone, what I'm saying is if being healthy and fit is your goal then its necessary to push yourself
I feel as though people are just being argumentative just out of boredom or something, this *kitten* is pretty basic stuff
The first time working out you had to push yourself as time went on you didn't remain stagnant and do the same routine with the same intensity you pushed more and more... so how does me saying push yourself come off so negatively lol *kitten* meant to be inspiring but people are getting offended and feeling attacked and its seemingly a insecurity thing or something
I never said what others is doing is wrong, please show me where that was said or implied... *kitten* you people are dense
I simply said that there comes a time we need to shake things up and do a little more, stop doing the same routine over and over again.
You have a pretty good physique, did you get that by lifting the same weight with the same intensity for years and years? Or did you over time increase weight? Increase intensity, switch up the routine, use multiple rep ranges and methods? Did you not push yourself?
So idk wtf the issue is with what i said0 -
If you don't understand how saying what someone is doing is wrong (when they are getting the results they want and are HAPPY, emphasized happy cause that's the ultimate goal) and the SHOULD do this is a text book judgemental statement, I don't know what else to tell ya.You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.
How? I'm not judging anyone, what I'm saying is if being healthy and fit is your goal then its necessary to push yourself
I feel as though people are just being argumentative just out of boredom or something, this *kitten* is pretty basic stuff
The first time working out you had to push yourself as time went on you didn't remain stagnant and do the same routine with the same intensity you pushed more and more... so how does me saying push yourself come off so negatively lol *kitten* meant to be inspiring but people are getting offended and feeling attacked and its seemingly a insecurity thing or something
I never said what others is doing is wrong, please show me where that was said or implied... *kitten* you people are dense
I simply said that there comes a time we need to shake things up and do a little more, stop doing the same routine over and over again.
You have a pretty good physique, did you get that by lifting the same weight with the same intensity for years and years? Or did you over time increase weight? Increase intensity, switch up the routine, use multiple rep ranges and methods? Did you not push yourself?
So idk wtf the issue is with what i said
You said cheating yourself. Cheating is a negative term that implies "wrong". We aren't dense just because you apparently don't understand the words you typed. It may sound fine in your head, but when 100 people are telling you it seemed negative, why not just listen? Man up as they say.13 -
I heard all he does is yoga and Tai Chi to stay in fabulous shape.
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I heard all he does is yoga and Tai Chi to stay in fabulous shape.
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I hear he is pretty good with the shakeweight... If ya know what I'm saying.7 -
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
And that, my friend, is where you lose everyone you are trying to inspire. No, I don't need to "push" myself to get up every morning and not quit. I just do it because I'm a big boy. However, if I **HAD** to **push** myself every morning then I would probably quit. You are obviously different.
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If you don't understand how saying what someone is doing is wrong (when they are getting the results they want and are HAPPY, emphasized happy cause that's the ultimate goal) and the SHOULD do this is a text book judgemental statement, I don't know what else to tell ya.You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.
How? I'm not judging anyone, what I'm saying is if being healthy and fit is your goal then its necessary to push yourself
I feel as though people are just being argumentative just out of boredom or something, this *kitten* is pretty basic stuff
The first time working out you had to push yourself as time went on you didn't remain stagnant and do the same routine with the same intensity you pushed more and more... so how does me saying push yourself come off so negatively lol *kitten* meant to be inspiring but people are getting offended and feeling attacked and its seemingly a insecurity thing or something
I never said what others is doing is wrong, please show me where that was said or implied... *kitten* you people are dense
I simply said that there comes a time we need to shake things up and do a little more, stop doing the same routine over and over again.
You have a pretty good physique, did you get that by lifting the same weight with the same intensity for years and years? Or did you over time increase weight? Increase intensity, switch up the routine, use multiple rep ranges and methods? Did you not push yourself?
So idk wtf the issue is with what i said
MFP isn't solely comprised of those necessarily looking into body composition in the way you have worked to get. This isn't like BB.com or say Runner's World where you're targeting people who are all aiming for similar goals. This is an eclectic bunch with a large age range, physical capabilities, and varying goals.
Where you went wrong with is trying to prescribe something and then fighting to say it'll work for everyone or that everyone "should" do it because of what you tend to have your goals based on.5 -
OP, this is a sincere question--how much time have you spent reading the MFP forums and understanding the general vibe/cultural around here? It does not seem as if you have been at it that long and I think that was likely a big reason why your thread has not gone over well. If you would have spent more time learning about the people on the boards, not necessarily individually but as a group, you would have had a better idea of your audience and how to approach a topic. You sound really excited and into what you are talking about, which is great, but in general it is best to be a bit of a known poster before trying to "be inspiring." The odds are it would just come off better. Especially if your wording wasn't so absolute.
How is that my problem though? This is a board to help people so when i give an example and make an overall statement to get people to see things differently why should i be subjected to negativity because I'm "new" how does the info change?
My intentions weren't to be absolute, or to be judgmental, or come off as this is the only way, nothing i wrote should have eluded to that at all and I'm confused to how people saw it that way, maybe i could have worded it differently but i feel as though the message was pretty clear, hey lets break our routines a little, and push a little harder.. i used hiit as an example and people took that and ran with it largely due to insecurity. Hiit was just an example to support the overal message of pushing ourselves a little
But that message is now lost in a sea of insecurity and negativity0 -
OP, this is a sincere question--how much time have you spent reading the MFP forums and understanding the general vibe/cultural around here? It does not seem as if you have been at it that long and I think that was likely a big reason why your thread has not gone over well. If you would have spent more time learning about the people on the boards, not necessarily individually but as a group, you would have had a better idea of your audience and how to approach a topic. You sound really excited and into what you are talking about, which is great, but in general it is best to be a bit of a known poster before trying to "be inspiring." The odds are it would just come off better. Especially if your wording wasn't so absolute.
How is that my problem though? This is a board to help people so when i give an example and make an overall statement to get people to see things differently why should i be subjected to negativity because I'm "new" how does the info change?
My intentions weren't to be absolute, or to be judgmental, or come off as this is the only way, nothing i wrote should have eluded to that at all and I'm confused to how people saw it that way, maybe i could have worded it differently but i feel as though the message was pretty clear, hey lets break our routines a little, and push a little harder.. i used hiit as an example and people took that and ran with it largely due to insecurity. Hiit was just an example to support the overal message of pushing ourselves a little
But that message is now lost in a sea of insecurity and negativity
So it's all us and not a single thing was you? Oh. I see.11 -
I heard all he does is yoga and Tai Chi to stay in fabulous shape.
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I hear he is pretty good with the shakeweight... If ya know what I'm saying.
I Googled him, and I was so scared that it was Prince Harry that I accidentally closed my browser!4 -
If you don't understand how saying what someone is doing is wrong (when they are getting the results they want and are HAPPY, emphasized happy cause that's the ultimate goal) and the SHOULD do this is a text book judgemental statement, I don't know what else to tell ya.You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.
How? I'm not judging anyone, what I'm saying is if being healthy and fit is your goal then its necessary to push yourself
I feel as though people are just being argumentative just out of boredom or something, this *kitten* is pretty basic stuff
The first time working out you had to push yourself as time went on you didn't remain stagnant and do the same routine with the same intensity you pushed more and more... so how does me saying push yourself come off so negatively lol *kitten* meant to be inspiring but people are getting offended and feeling attacked and its seemingly a insecurity thing or something
I never said what others is doing is wrong, please show me where that was said or implied... *kitten* you people are dense
I simply said that there comes a time we need to shake things up and do a little more, stop doing the same routine over and over again.
You have a pretty good physique, did you get that by lifting the same weight with the same intensity for years and years? Or did you over time increase weight? Increase intensity, switch up the routine, use multiple rep ranges and methods? Did you not push yourself?
So idk wtf the issue is with what i said
You said cheating yourself. Cheating is a negative term that implies "wrong". We aren't dense just because you apparently don't understand the words you typed. It may sound fine in your head, but when 100 people are telling you it seemed negative, why not just listen? Man up as they say.
But if you arent pushing yourself you are cheating yourself, you know this as well as i do lets stop being politically correct and just be real, at no point do you go in the gym and say I'm gonna do worse than yesterday lol cmon man this is ridiculous, no we don't all have the same goals but with being fit how can you not strive to push just a little each day, how can you do the same thing over and over again and expect to get better? This makes no sense0 -
OP, this is a sincere question--how much time have you spent reading the MFP forums and understanding the general vibe/cultural around here? It does not seem as if you have been at it that long and I think that was likely a big reason why your thread has not gone over well. If you would have spent more time learning about the people on the boards, not necessarily individually but as a group, you would have had a better idea of your audience and how to approach a topic. You sound really excited and into what you are talking about, which is great, but in general it is best to be a bit of a known poster before trying to "be inspiring." The odds are it would just come off better. Especially if your wording wasn't so absolute.
How is that my problem though? This is a board to help people so when i give an example and make an overall statement to get people to see things differently why should i be subjected to negativity because I'm "new" how does the info change?
My intentions weren't to be absolute, or to be judgmental, or come off as this is the only way, nothing i wrote should have eluded to that at all and I'm confused to how people saw it that way, maybe i could have worded it differently but i feel as though the message was pretty clear, hey lets break our routines a little, and push a little harder.. i used hiit as an example and people took that and ran with it largely due to insecurity. Hiit was just an example to support the overal message of pushing ourselves a little
But that message is now lost in a sea of insecurity and negativity
Insecurity?
No, disagreement doesn't mean insecurity.11 -
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If you don't understand how saying what someone is doing is wrong (when they are getting the results they want and are HAPPY, emphasized happy cause that's the ultimate goal) and the SHOULD do this is a text book judgemental statement, I don't know what else to tell ya.You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.
How? I'm not judging anyone, what I'm saying is if being healthy and fit is your goal then its necessary to push yourself
I feel as though people are just being argumentative just out of boredom or something, this *kitten* is pretty basic stuff
The first time working out you had to push yourself as time went on you didn't remain stagnant and do the same routine with the same intensity you pushed more and more... so how does me saying push yourself come off so negatively lol *kitten* meant to be inspiring but people are getting offended and feeling attacked and its seemingly a insecurity thing or something
I never said what others is doing is wrong, please show me where that was said or implied... *kitten* you people are dense
I simply said that there comes a time we need to shake things up and do a little more, stop doing the same routine over and over again.
You have a pretty good physique, did you get that by lifting the same weight with the same intensity for years and years? Or did you over time increase weight? Increase intensity, switch up the routine, use multiple rep ranges and methods? Did you not push yourself?
So idk wtf the issue is with what i said
MFP isn't solely comprised of those necessarily looking into body composition in the way you have worked to get. This isn't like BB.com or say Runner's World where you're targeting people who are all aiming for similar goals. This is an eclectic bunch with a large age range, physical capabilities, and varying goals.
Where you went wrong with is trying to prescribe something and then fighting to say it'll work for everyone or that everyone "should" do it because of what you tend to have your goals based on.
I didn't go wrong anywhere, I'm not the one with a problem with what i said ..0 -
Maven_of_the_Strings wrote: »
If you don't understand how saying what someone is doing is wrong (when they are getting the results they want and are HAPPY, emphasized happy cause that's the ultimate goal) and the SHOULD do this is a text book judgemental statement, I don't know what else to tell ya.You can't say that you "Should" do one thing and then say your aren't being judgemental. Those are kinda the same thing.
How? I'm not judging anyone, what I'm saying is if being healthy and fit is your goal then its necessary to push yourself
I feel as though people are just being argumentative just out of boredom or something, this *kitten* is pretty basic stuff
The first time working out you had to push yourself as time went on you didn't remain stagnant and do the same routine with the same intensity you pushed more and more... so how does me saying push yourself come off so negatively lol *kitten* meant to be inspiring but people are getting offended and feeling attacked and its seemingly a insecurity thing or something
I never said what others is doing is wrong, please show me where that was said or implied... *kitten* you people are dense
I simply said that there comes a time we need to shake things up and do a little more, stop doing the same routine over and over again.
You have a pretty good physique, did you get that by lifting the same weight with the same intensity for years and years? Or did you over time increase weight? Increase intensity, switch up the routine, use multiple rep ranges and methods? Did you not push yourself?
So idk wtf the issue is with what i said
MFP isn't solely comprised of those necessarily looking into body composition in the way you have worked to get. This isn't like BB.com or say Runner's World where you're targeting people who are all aiming for similar goals. This is an eclectic bunch with a large age range, physical capabilities, and varying goals.
Where you went wrong with is trying to prescribe something and then fighting to say it'll work for everyone or that everyone "should" do it because of what you tend to have your goals based on.
I didn't go wrong anywhere, I'm not the one with a problem with what i said ..
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^^ A+ Anya deployment, please marry me.3
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Maven_of_the_Strings wrote: »OP, this is a sincere question--how much time have you spent reading the MFP forums and understanding the general vibe/cultural around here? It does not seem as if you have been at it that long and I think that was likely a big reason why your thread has not gone over well. If you would have spent more time learning about the people on the boards, not necessarily individually but as a group, you would have had a better idea of your audience and how to approach a topic. You sound really excited and into what you are talking about, which is great, but in general it is best to be a bit of a known poster before trying to "be inspiring." The odds are it would just come off better. Especially if your wording wasn't so absolute.
How is that my problem though? This is a board to help people so when i give an example and make an overall statement to get people to see things differently why should i be subjected to negativity because I'm "new" how does the info change?
My intentions weren't to be absolute, or to be judgmental, or come off as this is the only way, nothing i wrote should have eluded to that at all and I'm confused to how people saw it that way, maybe i could have worded it differently but i feel as though the message was pretty clear, hey lets break our routines a little, and push a little harder.. i used hiit as an example and people took that and ran with it largely due to insecurity. Hiit was just an example to support the overal message of pushing ourselves a little
But that message is now lost in a sea of insecurity and negativity
So it's all us and not a single thing was you? Oh. I see.
Apparently. We just need to push all ourselves harder to see the inherent wisdom he's throwing down or something.
I might need an operation to get my tongue out of my cheek after typing that out.12 -
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If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse
And that, my friend, is where you lose everyone you are trying to inspire. No, I don't need to "push" myself to get up every morning and not quit. I just do it because I'm a big boy. However, if I **HAD** to **push** myself every morning then I would probably quit. You are obviously different.
The fact that you made the decision to do something is you pushing yourself... and in time you will push yourself more its inevitable, by saying push yourself i don't mean kill yourself in your workout i mean do a little more than you did before, go longer, faster and with more intensity little by little and just be better than you were before... isn't that what you're trying to do anyway?
Jesus people see push yourself and already have this idea that I'm saying go until you puke and pass out wtf .. no i mean just strive to do better than what you're already doing, how is that such a bad thing...0
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