You cannot target fat loss!!!
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Um, I have a degree in physiology and kinesiology. It's RARE to completely deplete your glycogen stores. You'd know it because you'd crumple to the ground in a heap and go into convulsions if you were training. In fact most people that train fasted don't lose fat any faster than those who don't. Azdak posted a great peer reviewed study on it. I'll see if I can find it.
If you don't understand how glycogen works for fat loss then do the same i did and research it ... fasted cardio means depleted glycogen stores, meaning you burn fat and not carbs .. if i have to simplify it ...singingflutelady wrote: »Those studies don't say anything about how jogging on the morning kick-starts your metabolism
Just out of curiosity, when do you believe the body burns the most body fat (by percentage)?
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
But what about those of us who are not professional athletes, bodybuilders, or trainers and have no desire to be.
Again, it's the all or nothing, my way is the right way approach that people are arguing against. So what if my weight loss isn't optimal. I enjoy walking on the treadmill watching hockey. The old me enjoyed watching hockey on the couch with a bag of chips. I don't need or want to shock myself, or be optimal or do everything in my power to burn more calories. I want to do what I am actually going to do and (sort of) enjoy. The OP stated, in effect, I'm wasting my time and I'm getting the same vibe from you.
But I plan to continue to do what I am actually going to do. Maybe I'll toss in HIIT, or actually go to a gym one day, but for now I'm losing weight, getting healthier and doing it at my own, sustainable, pace. And the sustainability is worth far more to me than some optimal workout plan that I would hate and would not do.
One thing I like about MFP, is that most people realize that it is very much, to each their own way. As long as what I'm doing is not detrimental, and I'm actually doing it, then that's good. If I want to do better then I can ask and get ideas on how, but don't tell me what I'm doing doesn't work when I've lost 45 lbs doing it.
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Yes, we're all out of shape. You got it.15
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Its not bro science its actual science, please don't insult my intelligence, ive spent countless hours researching what i need to do to achieve my goals... no i don't have a trainers certification but i have done my due diligence to research what needs to be done and the science behind it, I've had trial and error in the gym and still do to this day... when i share something ot isn't just me talking out my *kitten* its me sharing something i know works because I've researched it, tried it and have seen optimal results
So have a lot of other people here. Which is why some of the broscience you're putting out there is being challenged.
What bro science? Lol what have i said exactly thats bro science, because i believe earlier I posted real scientific studies to back what I've said... just because i have muscles doesn't mean i spew bro science. And if you truly did the research you'd know that
"Kickstart your metabolism", "shock your body" - both of those are BS straight off the Dr. Oz show or some cheesy diet supplement ad. Claiming that you'll burn less and less calories as your body adapts to cardio - not true either. Making the blanket statement that HIIT is superior to LISS for cardio - the effect of EPOC (if you know what that is) isn't near as large as you think it is. All straight up broscience. Prove me wrong - post some scientific studies that show how you can "kickstart your metabolism". I'm sure a lot of people here struggling with weight loss would like to know how that's done, and see scientific validation that it is possible.
You claim to have "optimal" results with your methods. You may have good results - maybe even very good results - but unless you've compared your methods against other methods and controls in an RCT with defined parameters and measurement criteria, you don't know that they're "optimal".
You started off strong with the part about not being able to spot reduce (target fat loss), but it went downhill into the woo from there.
Doctor oz is *kitten*. I posted links to actual scientific studies from ncbi so again tell me what bro science? I doubt these muscles came from things that don't work.0 -
You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Many people are saying that there isn't just one way to do something... I don't see how that is close minded. We all have different interests, goals and directions.10 -
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How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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Dem muscelz!5 -
You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Since you know me so well, please tell me how to maintain my weight loss and normal health markers.
I challenged your "stop walking on the treadmill for hours and hours, rev it up with some hiit training" because how do you know I am not challenging myself walking for hours and hours? How do you know I started by barely walking 10 minutes before needing to sit down to rest and now I can walk 3 hours without needing to rest (toilet breaks excluded)? How do you know I could only walk 1 mile in an hour and now I can walk 1 mile in 15 minutes? How do you know I'm walking on a level surface and not on steep hills and inclines? You make broad assumptions about walkers based on your experience and what works for you. HIIT doesn't work for me. I don't go around the forums telling people to stop "shocking their bodies" and go walk on a treadmill for hours.10 -
^ It was a joke (sarcasm) in response to OP calling mfp posters out of shape.0
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Yes, we're all out of shape. You got it.
Didn't say every one was out of shape, i said its funny how I'm being berated by out of shape people who haven't achieved their goals, some comments from some of these people make it seem as though they are fitness gurus in amazing shape and they aren't
We all started somewhere, we all had challenges but I'd never discredit someone who's in better shape than me and not even consider what they are trying to teach me as so many people in here are doing to me, its a little ridiculous to me how someone can blatantly disregard sound advice that can really help in the journey because they don't agree with one little thing0 -
You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I do this for a living. And that fact alone doesn't make me right, it only makes me experienced.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.32 -
grmckenzie wrote: »
Sorry. Got confused on this. Didn't mean to offend Hornsby.2 -
Yes, we're all out of shape. You got it.
Didn't say every one was out of shape, i said its funny how I'm being berated by out of shape people who haven't achieved their goals, some comments from some of these people make it seem as though they are fitness gurus in amazing shape and they aren't
We all started somewhere, we all had challenges but I'd never discredit someone who's in better shape than me and not even consider what they are trying to teach me as so many people in here are doing to me, its a little ridiculous to me how someone can blatantly disregard sound advice that can really help in the journey because they don't agree with one little thing
But I have no intention, desire, drive or whatever you want to call it to be musclebound. So why would your "advice" be relevant.
If you had not come across so pointed that it was your way that worked, and if you had started off by saying what worked for you and what your results were, the replies would have been different. Still not sold on the shocking the body thing, but what you outlined worked for your goals. Don't assume everyone has those goals.5 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message1 -
Yes, we're all out of shape. You got it.
Didn't say every one was out of shape, i said its funny how I'm being berated by out of shape people who haven't achieved their goals, some comments from some of these people make it seem as though they are fitness gurus in amazing shape and they aren't
We all started somewhere, we all had challenges but I'd never discredit someone who's in better shape than me and not even consider what they are trying to teach me as so many people in here are doing to me, its a little ridiculous to me how someone can blatantly disregard sound advice that can really help in the journey because they don't agree with one little thing
How do you know people haven't achieved their goals?
I'm an old woman with 2 forms of arthritis who started out hobbling with a cane who now can run.
And I run fasted. Steady state. I have no time for this HiIT business because it doesn't interest me in the least. It's taken me 2 years to work my joints up to this, and I'm quite happy with my progress.
I also lift weights and am happy with my progress there. I continue to progress.
I am also, by best conservative estimates, at 24% body fat, which puts me at the lean category for my age. And that percentage is dropping.
All of that, with stupid steady state cardio that started out with just walking.
Some humility and the realization that people come to fitness at all stages of life from differing abilities and with differing goals might do you some good.14 -
You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
^ Just quoted for emphasis. Excellent, solid, well-reasoned response (as always), SideSteel.6 -
You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I do this for a living. And that fact alone doesn't make me right, it only makes me experienced.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
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You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
Hiit on the treadmill definitely isn't the best idea, but the hiit thing was an example to drive hime my point of pushing yourself past the normal daily routine, that point was somehow missed by the example.
Thanks for the study I'll definitely check it out, I'm not nor ever claimed to know everything and am always open to learn as you have to be.
If I'm wrong about something i have no issue with saying so, I'll definitely read the article and research it more and i appreciate you approaching this as a way to educate opposed to berating me, i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.0 -
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You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
Hiit on the treadmill definitely isn't the best idea, but the hiit thing was an example to drive hime my point of pushing yourself past the normal daily routine, that point was somehow missed by the example.
Thanks for the study I'll definitely check it out, I'm not nor ever claimed to know everything and am always open to learn as you have to be.
If I'm wrong about something i have no issue with saying so, I'll definitely read the article and research it more and i appreciate you approaching this as a way to educate opposed to berating me, i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.
You don't think saying that someone is "cheating themselves" is negative?4 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Hi.
I'm in pretty good shape, feel free to check my photo gallery. I only mention this part because you seem to be concerned about the condition someone is in when they question you.
If you're concerned about qualifications and experience I have multiple PT certifications and I generally stay up to speed to the best of my ability through a couple of research reviews. Nothing terribly impressive but certainly more than "zero". I also run a successful and growing online coaching business and I also have experience training clients in a live gym setting.
I'm also happy to tell you my lifts if it concerns you.
Now on to more important stuff.
You're correct about spot reduction being a myth.
You're incorrect about the blind advocacy for HIIT. HIIT has a MUCH larger recovery component compared to LISS. HIIT also requires the individual to be in better starting condition to even execute it correctly in the first place. In a forum with a broad mix of demographics, recommending a specific exercise or modality of training is potentially harmful advice.
From a fat loss perspective, it is going to boil down to creating a calorie deficit. HIIT may be a more efficient way to achieve cardiovascular adaptations, it may be a more efficient way to burn calories, but it's FAR more taxing on recovery systems and so consequently it's harder to position into an overall training program.
HIIT on a treadmill is not a great idea either -- adjusting the speed appropriately can suck, and additional stress from impact can be a pretty big negative for a lot of people. Using a bike could be a much more tolerable choice but it will again come down to individual goals and preferences there.
Your belief about fasted cardio being superior for fat loss is false if the goal is overall whole body fat loss. Schoenfeld studied this here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4242477/
Fasted cardio increased acute fat oxidation during the training bout but it does not lead to greater changes in body fat loss over time. This is why you can't look at things in a vacuum.
Have a nice day.
Hiit on the treadmill definitely isn't the best idea, but the hiit thing was an example to drive hime my point of pushing yourself past the normal daily routine, that point was somehow missed by the example.
Thanks for the study I'll definitely check it out, I'm not nor ever claimed to know everything and am always open to learn as you have to be.
If I'm wrong about something i have no issue with saying so, I'll definitely read the article and research it more and i appreciate you approaching this as a way to educate opposed to berating me, i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.
You don't think saying that someone is "cheating themselves" is negative?
No i don't, because you can always push harder0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
I know right!!! All the muscles and brains on here's gonna give this little old lady a heart attack:).7 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
I wouldn't dream of speaking for anyone else, but for me the message got lost when you posted it on the General Diet and Weight Loss board. Had you posted it on the Fitness and Exercise board I probably wouldn't have noticed it, and I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to have known if you were right or wrong even if I had.
I'm losing weight with no exercise whatsoever, so on this board I knew that your assumptions about what I "should" do were wrong.9 -
i feel as though i gave sound advice to anyone trying to push to the next level and don't see how anything i said could be misconstued as negative.
Then you should have said this. As others said, you started out well on the targeting thing. You could have said "and some advice for those wanting to push to the next level" or something.
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In addition to my previous reply:
You don't need to "shock your body" by doing random things in the gym unless your goal is to get random results.
Basically, your body will undergo specific adaptations when demands are placed on it. And so if you do the same exact thing every time you go to the gym then yes, you'll stop making adaptations (although you'll continue to burn calories).
However, you don't simply "do different stuff" if your goal is to make progress in either strength or hypertrophy. A better plan would be to apply a progressively demanding stimulus.
So for example if you squat 3 times per week, and you add 1 rep each time you squat until you can squat that load for 12 reps, then the following week you add 5lbs and do it again, you're applying a progressively demanding stimulus which will cause a specific set of adaptations to occur resulting in the potential for muscle hypertrophy.
That's a far better method than "doing things differently" to "keep your body guessing".
Your body does not make guesses. It adapts to stress, very intelligently I might add.15 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
And that was my mistake, i see it now because thats where people's focus is
My goal of the post was to get people to get out of there familiar comfortable ways and to push themselves... hiit was an example ... if someone can walk hours on a treadmill they can definitely do some interval training, throw some jogging and sprints in there ...
It wasn't meant to come off as this is all you have to do and boom you're golden lol it was meant as an example to get people to push push push and then push some more.
Not sure where this message was lost, i felt it was clear but people took things super literal instead of seeing the overall message
For me, familiar and comfortable is sustainable. Pushing is useless if it makes you quit.
If pushing yourself a little each day or each week is what will make you quit then you aren't fully comitted to achieving your goals its as easy as that, if pushung yourself leads to you quitting then you were probably gonna quit to begin with you just found your excuse0
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