You cannot target fat loss!!!
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People in many countries walk every where with no other exercise and don't have weight issues, so not agreeing with you here.Hey guys,
So one of the things that i really hate is seeing these "trainers" and tv shows that give people the wrong information, the biggest of them all is targeting fat.
There is no way at all to target a specific area and burn fat, thats not how our bodies work.
There is no reason for you to do a million crunches a day to lose belly fat, i see this time and time and time again and its just a waste of time.
If you have the flabby arms, big belly, or whatever the only way you'll lose that is through proper nutrition and by dropping your over all bf% our bodies burn fat for energy, so the harder you're working out the more you're burning, it generally takes from the easiest source it can and doesn't just target one area of your body.
Get yourselves a balanced diet and workout plan, do compound movements in the gym and stop walking on the treadmill for hours and hours, rev it up with some hiit training, get that heart rate up and the calories will burn extremely fast, you have to shock your bodies and keep it guessing!!!
Doing the same exercises over and over again, day i and day out while at first you'll lose some weight, will only lead to a plateau and slow progression with your goals.
Our bodies are highly adaptive and you have to keep it guessing, you have to challenge it and push it for optimal results, that with a balanced nutrition plan will lead to the results you desire over time.
Also, you CAN do the same exercises over and over again, but you'd have to change something in that exercise or the body will adapt. Ways to do that is: increase resistance, increase reps, decrease rest time, increase tempo, etc.
And you don't have to keep the body guessing. You just have to figure out the energy balance use so you can either gain, lose, or maintain your weight.
But I do entirely agree, that you can't target body fat with any exercise regimen.
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I agree with you to an extent, and i only say that because those who walk day in and day out in other countries and even here who don't have weight issues aren't who i was talking about, they are already fit.. I'm talking to people who are over weight and looking to lose weight, butn more cals and push past plateaus
As a trainer you know as well as i do that one of the most effective ways to achieve these goals is to push the body past the limits we set for it in our minds, you know as well as i do by adding a form of high intensity interval training and exercises is a sure fire way to push past those plateaus and to increase calorie burns
I wasn't trying to tell people to only do hiit lol i was simply saying if all you're doing is steady state day in and day out because we've been programmed to think thats how you lose weight, or if you're doing situps all day thinking you're going to lose belly fat then you're cheating yourself and here's an alternate way
For someway that wasn't received well and people focused in on the hiit thing like i just told them to kill their mothers
I lost weight while doing steady state cardio, I can't imagine how I was "cheating" myself. I enjoy it, it burns calories, and doing it regularly helped me meet another goal besides weight loss (I ran my first marathon). I like my body better, I'm proud of what I can do with it, I really enjoy it. There is more than one way to push yourself physically. HIIT is one way, but it isn't the only way.5 -
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.0 -
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
If you enjoy it and you're meeting your fitness goals, how are you cheating yourself?6 -
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Because it's not true for everyone just because it's true for you. Plenty of people enjoy and have success with only steady-state cardio, or only weightlifting, or no exercise at all. They -- we -- aren't "cheating ourselves." We're doing what we enjoy, what brings us the results we want, and what we know we'll stick with long-term. You keep making sweeping declarations and people are trying to tell you those generalizations aren't helpful or accurate. I might ask why that concept is so ill-received (by you).11 -
Don't think anyone is doubting the benefits. It's the "you SHOULD do it" commentary. There are lots and lots of people in the world who don't do HIIT training and are in good shape.
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You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess-2 -
You keep saying "cheating yourself" and that's rubbing people the wrong way.
I'm not cheating myself by doing things in a different way from the way you are doing things. I'm meeting my goals.
The way you are doing things is meeting your goals. That's great. If you'd said, "Hey, here's something you can try if what you are trying isn't working the way you'd like it to work" then I doubt that people would have even commented much in your thread. People are taking umbridge with the suggestion that their walking and steady state is somehow inferior to your suggestions and the best way to do things is your way.
Alternatives are great. Directives, not so much.13 -
Ooooh bodyshaming as well as whatever-that-other-wrong-stuff-was!13
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Its not bro science its actual science, please don't insult my intelligence, ive spent countless hours researching what i need to do to achieve my goals... no i don't have a trainers certification but i have done my due diligence to research what needs to be done and the science behind it, I've had trial and error in the gym and still do to this day... when i share something ot isn't just me talking out my *kitten* its me sharing something i know works because I've researched it, tried it and have seen optimal results
So have a lot of other people here. Which is why some of the broscience you're putting out there is being challenged.
What bro science? Lol what have i said exactly thats bro science, because i believe earlier I posted real scientific studies to back what I've said... just because i have muscles doesn't mean i spew bro science. And if you truly did the research you'd know that
"Kickstart your metabolism", "shock your body" - both of those are BS straight off the Dr. Oz show or some cheesy diet supplement ad. Claiming that you'll burn less and less calories as your body adapts to cardio - not true either. Making the blanket statement that HIIT is superior to LISS for cardio - the effect of EPOC (if you know what that is) isn't near as large as you think it is. All straight up broscience. Prove me wrong - post some scientific studies that show how you can "kickstart your metabolism". I'm sure a lot of people here struggling with weight loss would like to know how that's done, and see scientific validation that it is possible.
You claim to have "optimal" results with your methods. You may have good results - maybe even very good results - but unless you've compared your methods against other methods and controls in an RCT with defined parameters and measurement criteria, you don't know that they're "optimal".
You started off strong with the part about not being able to spot reduce (target fat loss), but it went downhill into the woo from there.
[ETA:] If you'd like some actual research review regarding steady state vs. interval training, here's a good link (it's the conclusion of a multi-part article addressing the pros and cons of each and the supporting scientific research): http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/stead-state-versus-intervals-finally-a-conclusion.html/10 -
You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
I think repeating over and over that people are cheating themselves with their workout of choice is pretty close-minded.13 -
Um, I have a degree in physiology and kinesiology. It's RARE to completely deplete your glycogen stores. You'd know it because you'd crumple to the ground in a heap and go into convulsions if you were training. In fact most people that train fasted don't lose fat any faster than those who don't. Azdak posted a great peer reviewed study on it. I'll see if I can find it.
If you don't understand how glycogen works for fat loss then do the same i did and research it ... fasted cardio means depleted glycogen stores, meaning you burn fat and not carbs .. if i have to simplify it ...singingflutelady wrote: »Those studies don't say anything about how jogging on the morning kick-starts your metabolism
Just out of curiosity, when do you believe the body burns the most body fat (by percentage)?
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
But what about those of us who are not professional athletes, bodybuilders, or trainers and have no desire to be.
Again, it's the all or nothing, my way is the right way approach that people are arguing against. So what if my weight loss isn't optimal. I enjoy walking on the treadmill watching hockey. The old me enjoyed watching hockey on the couch with a bag of chips. I don't need or want to shock myself, or be optimal or do everything in my power to burn more calories. I want to do what I am actually going to do and (sort of) enjoy. The OP stated, in effect, I'm wasting my time and I'm getting the same vibe from you.
But I plan to continue to do what I am actually going to do. Maybe I'll toss in HIIT, or actually go to a gym one day, but for now I'm losing weight, getting healthier and doing it at my own, sustainable, pace. And the sustainability is worth far more to me than some optimal workout plan that I would hate and would not do.
One thing I like about MFP, is that most people realize that it is very much, to each their own way. As long as what I'm doing is not detrimental, and I'm actually doing it, then that's good. If I want to do better then I can ask and get ideas on how, but don't tell me what I'm doing doesn't work when I've lost 45 lbs doing it.
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Yes, we're all out of shape. You got it.15
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Its not bro science its actual science, please don't insult my intelligence, ive spent countless hours researching what i need to do to achieve my goals... no i don't have a trainers certification but i have done my due diligence to research what needs to be done and the science behind it, I've had trial and error in the gym and still do to this day... when i share something ot isn't just me talking out my *kitten* its me sharing something i know works because I've researched it, tried it and have seen optimal results
So have a lot of other people here. Which is why some of the broscience you're putting out there is being challenged.
What bro science? Lol what have i said exactly thats bro science, because i believe earlier I posted real scientific studies to back what I've said... just because i have muscles doesn't mean i spew bro science. And if you truly did the research you'd know that
"Kickstart your metabolism", "shock your body" - both of those are BS straight off the Dr. Oz show or some cheesy diet supplement ad. Claiming that you'll burn less and less calories as your body adapts to cardio - not true either. Making the blanket statement that HIIT is superior to LISS for cardio - the effect of EPOC (if you know what that is) isn't near as large as you think it is. All straight up broscience. Prove me wrong - post some scientific studies that show how you can "kickstart your metabolism". I'm sure a lot of people here struggling with weight loss would like to know how that's done, and see scientific validation that it is possible.
You claim to have "optimal" results with your methods. You may have good results - maybe even very good results - but unless you've compared your methods against other methods and controls in an RCT with defined parameters and measurement criteria, you don't know that they're "optimal".
You started off strong with the part about not being able to spot reduce (target fat loss), but it went downhill into the woo from there.
Doctor oz is *kitten*. I posted links to actual scientific studies from ncbi so again tell me what bro science? I doubt these muscles came from things that don't work.0 -
You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Many people are saying that there isn't just one way to do something... I don't see how that is close minded. We all have different interests, goals and directions.10 -
How is one cheating themselves? If they are progressing at the rate they are comfortable with especially?
If someone is losing weight doing it, how is that not progress?If all your doing is steady state cardio day in and day out then thats fine, but you're cheating yourselves out of progress ..
The metabolism doesn't need a kick start. It runs based on physical activity. And really all one has to do to make walking on a treadmill harder without increasing the speed is incline it.As i said before our bodies are highly adaptive, walking for an hour on a treadmill is not pushing your body to its limits, you'll eventually burn less and less calories, its ok to do some steady state cardio, i walk/jog 3.5 to 5 miles on the morning to kickstart my metabolism so i burn more cals throughout the day, but i also make sure to spend 15-20 mins a day on the treadmill and or the elliptical pushing my body.
Steady state cardio has a place in fitness. The best fighters in the world do steady state cardio for endurance and to help keep their weight in check.I didn't say HIIT was the only effective way to exercise, what i said was try something new, shock your body and see the results faster. If you can't do it then don't bash my post, start off slow and work your way up to it, because the fact of the matter is its a much much much more effective way than steady state cardio will ever be
If you don't like steady state cardio, that's fine, but don't bash it.
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I never bashed it, i even said i do steady state, do you guys read?!?!?! Lol what i said is if that ALL you do day in and day out then you're cheating yourself, mix it up a little bit .... why is that concept being so ill received
Any of those train that way. That's their basics. If you really want to talk basics, all one needs to do to lose weight is eat less than they burn. Exercise of any type is great for health and fitness, but you know as well as I do that calorie intake versus calories burned dictates energy balance in the body.And while progress might be acheived why not maximize that and optimize the time spent working out, hence cheating yourself ... and why wouldn't you do everything you can to burn more calories if losing body fat is the goal, if that means shocking the system or boosting metabolism then why would that be a bad thing? As i stated before our bodies are highly adaptive, you only get results for so long before it adapts and know longer responds the same, why not mix it up, keep it guessing and working hard to burn cals, fat, and build muscle?
Any professional athlete, bodybuilder, and trainer will tell you these are the basics.
There's nothing with working hard if that's something that person can do. But there are lots and lots of people that can't do HIIT. They body's, their age, their ability may not be able to handle it, especially if they start out obese on a program.
I get what you're trying to say, but unless you're actually aware of all the types of people out there, you just can't push them to an exercise philosophy that you believe works best. It's best for you and maybe other athletes, but may not be for lots of the general population.
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Dem muscelz!5 -
You guys are delusional, I'm over it ... i never said it was the only way.. what I'm saying is try something new and work harder
Its obvious there's a bunch of close minded folks in this place so hey if what you're doing works for you then cool, don't know why you commented to begin with.
Its funny to see people who are out of shape tell me how what im saying is wrong lmao jesus i should go take financial advice from a homeless person too i guess
Since you know me so well, please tell me how to maintain my weight loss and normal health markers.
I challenged your "stop walking on the treadmill for hours and hours, rev it up with some hiit training" because how do you know I am not challenging myself walking for hours and hours? How do you know I started by barely walking 10 minutes before needing to sit down to rest and now I can walk 3 hours without needing to rest (toilet breaks excluded)? How do you know I could only walk 1 mile in an hour and now I can walk 1 mile in 15 minutes? How do you know I'm walking on a level surface and not on steep hills and inclines? You make broad assumptions about walkers based on your experience and what works for you. HIIT doesn't work for me. I don't go around the forums telling people to stop "shocking their bodies" and go walk on a treadmill for hours.10
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