March 2017 Running Challenge
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In for 100 miles of running. I am also doing 1000 squats and 60 minutes of planks for the month.
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@iofred - you are here!
@cosmonew - 1000 squats! .... I love squats but counting that many sounds too intense for me.
Finally a run! It was a very slow 3.3 miles, but who cares. HR was up even before I left the house, which I guess is from coming off the flu. Can't tell you how happy I was to run again after 10 days off.
3/1 - 3.3 miles
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March 1st Ontario Canada...running in shorts!! It was a very wet run today, but very mild!!!
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Joanna2012B wrote: »March 1st Ontario Canada...running in shorts!! It was a very wet run today, but very mild!!!
Wow - I'm jealous about the shorts. Also in Ontario Canada, but Northwestern and it's definitely not shorts weather this morning at -11!
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@girlinahatgirlinahat wrote: »
Another first for me on my run this morning - a faceplant. got caught by a fine bit of bramble across the way, went straight down into the mud. I am not sure whether this was in subconscious homage to @BeeerRunner and the marathon spectacular, but it made me laugh some. Nothing like washing your hands clean in the dirtiest puddle you can find!!!
Oh no!! I sure hope the mud was softer than the pavement I landed on!! Lol! For both of our sakes, I'm hoping that was our one and only face plant! Lol!!1 -
The mid-section of my run follows a path for several miles that the wind seems to love (if it happens to be blowing in from the north), meaning that even slight winds tend to become exaggerated during this section, which in turn makes the slight constant incline of the path feel like hard work. Today was a northerly wind day; at least it wasn't a frigid wind like Friday.
01 - 13.30
Total: 13.30 / 2004 -
Date Miles today - Miles for March
3/1 5 miles - 5
Upcoming races:
UAH 8K - 3/6 <<< 34:33 3 in AG
Oak Barrel HM - 4/2 <<<< 1:38:00 3 in AG
Bridge Street HM - 4/10 <<< 1:36:33 3 in AG
PEO-AVN Team Day 5K - 5/4 <<< 19:10 (2.9 mi) 1 in AG 5 OA
Cotton Row Run 10K - 5/30 << 44:57 PR
Firecracker Chase 10.2 miler 6/25 << 1:20:22 1 in AG & 15 OA
Huntsville Half Marathon - 11/12 << 1:35:55 2 in AG & 25 OA
Rocket City Marathon - 12/10 << 2:44:41
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (unofficial) - 1/21 << 1:46:48 2 OA
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (rescheduled) - 2/18 << 1:41:04 1 in AG & 24 OA
Kentucky Derby Marathon - 4/29
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March goal: stay healthy and continue training for Grandma's.
Nominal mileage goal: 175
3/1- 6.15
Total: 6.15
Today's notes: Assignment called for 6 miles with 8x1min @5k pace, and I wasn't really feeling like doing that, so I ran the miles, but my run looked like this:
Mile 1: 9:36- fastish E pace
Mile 2: 9:18- Fast end of E pace
Mile 3: 9:08- Goal HM Pace
Mile 4: 9:00 GHMP- 8sec
Mile 5: 8:27- Tempo Pace
Mile 6: 9:05- Just faster than Goal HMP
Run went well, but now the left side of my right knee HATES me. It just seems like if it's not one thing it's another. My left leg is feeling OK today, so, OF COURSE, my right leg hates me....Go figure.....good thing I have a rest day tomorrow and a DR. Appointment on Friday.
Is it "normal" to have these roving pains while marathon training?2 -
I have a 12K trail race on 4/1. Last month, my goal was 60 miles and I failed at just shy of 50 miles. This is a longer month and I hope to be less busy later in the month (I ran maybe once or twice per week during the last half of Feb.).
My March goal will be 60 miles again. I will work on developing a ticker later.2 -
I'm in! So I will be training for a marathon in October, quite a ways a way which is good for me. I'm easing back into running as my last half marathon really knocked me out. So for March my goal is 50km.5
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We've decided to spend Easter weekend in Kansas City this year since my daughter's college team will be playing in a national tournament there. My wife gave me three choices for lodging. I surprised her by picking the most expensive option. I didn't bother to tell her that I picked it because it was just a mile away from TRAIL RUNNING!! I've already got a 17 mile route planned.
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Aargh, the first of the month and already 3 pages into the thread, lol.
Ok, so I crunched the numbers, and if I follow my training schedule absolutely PERFECTLY I should have 161 miles for March (eek!). My highest mileage month EVER, by far. Based on last month's experience with being reminded that schedules don't always work out perfectly, I will conservatively set my goal here at 145 miles. STILL my highest mileage month ever by far.5 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »Run went well, but now the left side of my right knee HATES me. It just seems like if it's not one thing it's another. My left leg is feeling OK today, so, OF COURSE, my right leg hates me....Go figure.....good thing I have a rest day tomorrow and a DR. Appointment on Friday.
Is it "normal" to have these roving pains while marathon training?
Yes, yes and more yes. As I think @Orphia stated in the Feb thread, you will always have some sort of niggles that bug you. You just have to pay attention to them and figure out when it might be something more. I would never advise anybody from seeking a professional consult for any aches and pains that are bothersome. At the same time, you can also drive yourself crazy if you worry about every little ache and pain.
I have not had to deal with too many injuries over the years, but in my experience, I know when it's something to be concerned about if it doesn't go away after a week or two, if it intensifies as I run, and if it's not better after a day or two of rest. Maybe some others can jump in and give you their experiences on determining the difference between an overuse injury and normal wear and tear. Right now I am dealing with my hamstring issue. I am still not sure if it's an actual injury/condition, but I know that the soreness has been getting worse instead of better and a few days of rest did not make it go away, so that is why I decided to seek the advice of a PT.
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If I follow my training plan entirely, I will hit 34 miles for the month... so that's my goal!8
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3/1 2.3 miles done
Goal 35 miles
Left 32.7 miles
The wind was killer today!!3 -
Took an unplanned rest day from running yesterday because my right knee was having some issues. I'm glad I did that, because it definitely feels better today.
My totals from February were 131.1 running, 101.3 walking, for a grand total of 232.4 miles. That's just a lot.
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lporter229 wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »Run went well, but now the left side of my right knee HATES me. It just seems like if it's not one thing it's another. My left leg is feeling OK today, so, OF COURSE, my right leg hates me....Go figure.....good thing I have a rest day tomorrow and a DR. Appointment on Friday.
Is it "normal" to have these roving pains while marathon training?
Yes, yes and more yes. As I think @Orphia stated in the Feb thread, you will always have some sort of niggles that bug you. You just have to pay attention to them and figure out when it might be something more. I would never advise anybody from seeking a professional consult for any aches and pains that are bothersome. At the same time, you can also drive yourself crazy if you worry about every little ache and pain.
I have not had to deal with too many injuries over the years, but in my experience, I know when it's something to be concerned about if it doesn't go away after a week or two, if it intensifies as I run, and if it's not better after a day or two of rest. Maybe some others can jump in and give you their experiences on determining the difference between an overuse injury and normal wear and tear. Right now I am dealing with my hamstring issue. I am still not sure if it's an actual injury/condition, but I know that the soreness has been getting worse instead of better and a few days of rest did not make it go away, so that is why I decided to seek the advice of a PT.
@MNLittleFinn - I agree with what @lporter229 says, and there's the additional considerations of you being a relatively new runner and this being your first marathon. That gives you a lot of uncertainty in distinguishing between minor niggles and injury that requires more attention. You don't always understand what's going on in real time, and you have no prior marathon training experience to compare it to.
I didn't have any training niggles before Buffalo 2015, because I didn't really train. I just ran long runs with a training group, and other runs on my own. I didn't do much in the way of speed work, and what I did required entry fees.
I trained hard for Boston 2016, and I had those niggles. I didn't understand them, and I would have run myself into injury if my coach hadn't been telling me to back off. Even so, I managed to run myself into injury after Boston 2016.
I trained lightly for Rochester 2016, and had injury recovery issues instead of training niggles. Got healthy, ran a great half marathon at Oak Tree, and developed one of those niggles that turned out to be something more. But I didn't understand that it was something more until after my failed attempt at the full marathon. In 20-20 hindsight, I should have traded down to the half.
Now I'm in my third training cycle, for my fourth attempt at a marathon. And when I get one of those niggles, I'm backing off. First thing to back off is speed work. I've done this enough to know that hard speed work is more hazardous to my body than lots of miles. Second thing to back off is take an extra rest day. Third thing is to cut miles, which frequently comes as a consequence of an extra rest day anyway. Earlier in the training cycle, I got to where I felt overtrained, and I backed off. Felt healthy the next week, but the trip to Bend cut my miles anyway. Came back home, and I've felt great . . . except for a niggle in my right foot this morning.
So this morning I spent some time paying attention to my foot and trying to figure out whether it's something to worry about. It doesn't seem to be a stress fracture. It reacted more like a strain to some sort of soft tissue. The foot tolerated barefoot weighted calf raises, and even felt better after them. But I also had a couple other niggles yesterday evening that got better with a night's rest. They showed up after the hard intervals last night, but they didn't show up after the hard intervals a week ago. Check records. Okay, the shoes I wore yesterday now have 527 miles on them. Time to retire them, and see if that improves things. Even if I could squeeze a few more miles out of them, it's a cheaper to retire a pair of shoes early than to have doctor visits.
Sometimes you have to pay attention to a lot of little details to figure out what's really going on. In your specific case, what I'm seeing you write is a lot of, "I ran faster than I should have," and some of, "various body parts hate me." The two phenomena might be connected. You find out by slowing down and seeing whether your body likes you better.8 -
I'm in for 100 miles! 4
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Goal 80 miles.
I'm cutting back this month and working more on strength and stability training since I only have an 10k early this month.3 -
@MobyCarp Thanks. My current goal is to try to slow it down. Today's run was speed, but I have a rest day tomorrow, and Friday is an E run. Saturday is supposed to be a FFLR, but because I ran one 2 weeks ago (unplanned because of a watch issue), I'm going to keep my LR at E this week.
Next week is another step up in mileage, so I'm going to focus on keeping my pace a bit slower in my E Range. Current pace has been faster than my Stretch goal marathon pace, so I know there's PLENTY of room to slow down and still be running a pace that I would be ecstatic with for my marathon.
Thanks again. You, you've given me a ton of great insights, now I just need to remember them WHILE I'm running, instead of going "oh *kitten*, MobyCarp warned me about that" AFTER I run.
Edit: I just did the math, and my AGERAGE pace for my easy runs over the last 7 weeks has been 9:37.....with a 9:55 GMP, I know I can slow down.0 -
@MNLittleFinn (and anyone else) - A classic link crossed my email again today: Train slower to race faster1
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@MNLittleFinn- I agree with @MobyCarp that speed work is the hardest thing on the body and the first thing I back off of when I suspect something is amiss. I also agree that you should focus on slowing down. If You're running your easy runs faster then your goal marathon pace, you might want to rethink your GMP. And still slow down 2
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lporter229 wrote: »@MNLittleFinn- I agree with @MobyCarp that speed work is the hardest thing on the body and the first thing I back off of when I suspect something is amiss. I also agree that you should focus on slowing down. If You're running your easy runs faster then your goal marathon pace, you might want to rethink your GMP. And still slow down
yeah....there is that....both my 15 mile runs were GMP-20, so I might be able to go a little faster at race time....LOL, I'm going to work on slowing down, and keep my GMP the same and just decide on the fly (like 18 miles in) if I want to go for something faster on race day.....there's a 4:20 pacer (9:55 pace) that I was looking to get tucked in wit for the race.......all this is based on things so far, and subject to change.1 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »lporter229 wrote: »@MNLittleFinn- I agree with @MobyCarp that speed work is the hardest thing on the body and the first thing I back off of when I suspect something is amiss. I also agree that you should focus on slowing down. If You're running your easy runs faster then your goal marathon pace, you might want to rethink your GMP. And still slow down
yeah....there is that....both my 15 mile runs were GMP-20, so I might be able to go a little faster at race time....LOL, I'm going to work on slowing down, and keep my GMP the same and just decide on the fly (like 18 miles in) if I want to go for something faster on race day.....there's a 4:20 pacer (9:55 pace) that I was looking to get tucked in wit for the race.......all this is based on things so far, and subject to change.
Just for reference, I was running easy runs in line with the paces you are running when I was training for my first sub 4, which ended up with a race pace of 8:50.0 -
3/1 - 5 miles
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Well I'm back for more & have high hopes for March!
01/03 3.52 miles
@skippygirlsmom - Really pleased you won't need an operation!!
@BEERRUNNER - Well done on completing ur 1st marathon esp under 4 hours. At least u have a great story to go with ur wounds6 -
lporter229 wrote: »Just for reference, I was running easy runs in line with the paces you are running when I was training for my first sub 4, which ended up with a race pace of 8:50.
That's good to know. I'll definitely be slowing it down. My pace goal is pretty reasonable (I think) so I think I'm going to concentrate on keeping all my runs at like 9:45 or slower, just to keep it safe.0 -
March goal: lose (another)3lbs
3/1 2.54 + core/strength training
Total: 2.54
And for any prospective @volcanorunners ......don't forget your snowshoes....
Ticker is my goal for 2017 and progress to date:
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I'm in for 30 miles
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Finding the talk on pacing and niggles vs real concerns interesting. I'm also in process of training for my first marathon and ever since I handed over my money I swear I have a different "injury" every day.
Last couple of days legs have been very stiff/tight and started to feel twinges in left knee overnight. During my fast hilly walk this morning just about every part of my legs hurt at some point or other. I didn't really loosen up as I normally would so decided to take an unplanned rest day, (if 3+ hours walking counts as a rest). Supposed to have two speed sessions this week (one 45-minute fast run and one intervals run) but will sacrifice the latter for the greater good. I've also found my easy runs getting faster and are currently about MP for me, (unless they come after a particularly brutal day). I really struggle to hold good form when I go much slower than that (which is as much a mental battle as physical) so have decided I'll use my HM race in two weeks to reevaluate what, if anything, I need to change with my training pace ranges or my goal MP.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that even when not aimed at me, I find the advice and commentary here very useful even if I don't comment/reply to individual messages. Thanks all!5
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