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Spot Reducing...This Should Be Interesting...
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trigden1991 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Oh lookie, neither of the two things you sent me in the PMs actually showed spot reduction, just fat loss induced because one is a steroid and the other is hgh.
Care to share which miracle "spot reduction" things these are?
I won't - if he wants to be silly and publicly mention things that were entrusted in a private setting to show that it is biologically possible with said compounds then that's up to him.
What I found hilarious is that he clearly didn't read the papers and studies let alone look them up to do his own research. Grandstanding attempt is clearly misguided in that one.0 -
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trigden1991 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Oh lookie, neither of the two things you sent me in the PMs actually showed spot reduction, just fat loss induced because one is a steroid and the other is hgh.
Care to share which miracle "spot reduction" things these are?
Oxandrolone and HGH. Really this secrecy crap stinks to high heavens. There's no reason to not write it public unless being afraid of being shown to be wrong.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »
Are you really that silly? It *SPECIFICALLY* targets abdominal regions. Glucocorticoid signalling blocking. It accomplishes its effects different from other compounds in its manner of abdominal fat reduction. No normal steroids are known to spot reduce specific areas. You could argue something unsafe/untested like Tren has capabilities that have not been medically researched but that's not even up for discussion give it's not used in any medical setting.
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stevencloser wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Oh lookie, neither of the two things you sent me in the PMs actually showed spot reduction, just fat loss induced because one is a steroid and the other is hgh.
Care to share which miracle "spot reduction" things these are?
Oxandrolone and HGH. Really this secrecy crap stinks to high heavens. There's no reason to not write it public unless being afraid of being shown to be wrong.
I should think the legalities of using them in this context may have something to do with the reluctance. It was mentioned openly in previous discussions but he's choosing now to be cagey. No doubt there are reasons for this.3 -
stevencloser wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Oh lookie, neither of the two things you sent me in the PMs actually showed spot reduction, just fat loss induced because one is a steroid and the other is hgh.
Care to share which miracle "spot reduction" things these are?
Oxandrolone and HGH. Really this secrecy crap stinks to high heavens. There's no reason to not write it public unless being afraid of being shown to be wrong.
You certainly seem to be afraid of reading into studies and researching anything, right?
AOD9604 or Fragment 176-191 have arisen specifically due to the spot reduction abilities of GH.0 -
NikkiiBaby68 wrote: »Then I read an article about arm fat and why its so hard to get rid of it. I understood then why they made that shake weight but then decided to then just use my kettle bell for it...I still wasnt getting the results i wanted...So I added wrapping to the mix but it was such a mess...So I got those things the basket ball players wear. Oiled up my arm with coconut oil to help condition the skin and pulled the arm sleeve on. I shook my kettle bell like no tomorrow and did arm rolls kind of in speed bag fashion. Just as before...the difference was night and day. I lost twice as much fat sometimes more on a good day Than before it was wrapped.
No, you didn't.
a) You have no way of measuring the amount of fat you've lost in a given area.
b) You don't lose enough fat in a single day to be measurable, even if you had a magical fat-measuring machine just for your arms. If you did you'd have scrawny arms within a week.
Ridiculous posts like this do more harm than good.
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VintageFeline wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Oh lookie, neither of the two things you sent me in the PMs actually showed spot reduction, just fat loss induced because one is a steroid and the other is hgh.
Care to share which miracle "spot reduction" things these are?
Oxandrolone and HGH. Really this secrecy crap stinks to high heavens. There's no reason to not write it public unless being afraid of being shown to be wrong.
I should think the legalities of using them in this context may have something to do with the reluctance. It was mentioned openly in previous discussions but he's choosing now to be cagey. No doubt there are reasons for this.
Yeah - to be honest I didn't want specific names brought up in the thread (edit) because it would lead people to assume some condoning of use but he decided to bring about it public. Would have been better to grandstand referring to them as O or H. There's others out there like Intaleukin 3, 6, 8 and 15 and all sorts of cytokines which are disputable as to their pros and cons and rarely used in connection with fat/health/muscle/performance but I'd never discuss anything that wasn't a medicine or prescription based chemical with a USE for that particular topic. I.e. these things are used for these purposes.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.9 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.0 -
why don't you use these compounds on your self and show before and after pictures of your magical spot reduction?1
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xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.4 -
Let me know if you ever do find a way to spot reduce.. These pesky hips LOVE holding onto fat!!!!
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VintageFeline wrote: »
I don't see the retraction of anything. I can't be emphatic enough when I tell you this: please look above and look at what was actually written. He wanted some "Men's Health" type comparison nonsense. I'm sure there's plenty of before and after shots of these on the internet to view if he's that desperate.0 -
You guys are disappointing.
I gave an FDA approved example and didn't get a peep on it - Coolsculpting.
What I'd really like to see is a before/after where they only treated one side of the belly, so I could discount normal weightloss._1.jpg)
I'd also like to read of someone trying this with popsicles from their fridge, forgoing the exorbitant fees.1 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.
Sigh. You've contradicted yourself there. The OP asked about spot reduction. The OP employed a method of use that dealt more with water and sweat than actual fat. The responses were of a technical nature regarding fat loss. water. muscle. etc etc. I gave a technical dispute using science. I was asked to clarify. The thing went to pot with ignorance. The rest is history.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »
I don't see the retraction of anything. I can't be emphatic enough when I tell you this: please look above and look at what was actually written. He wanted some "Men's Health" type comparison nonsense. I'm sure there's plenty of before and after shots of these on the internet to view if he's that desperate.
nope, I said since you are so sure that you can spot reduce, why don't you take these compounds and show us that one can spot reduce by showing before and after pictures?1 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.
Sigh. You've contradicted yourself there. The OP asked about spot reduction. The OP employed a method of use that dealt more with water and sweat than actual fat. The responses were of a technical nature regarding fat loss. water. muscle. etc etc. I gave a technical dispute using science. I was asked to clarify. The thing went to pot with ignorance. The rest is history.
I appreciate your rebuttal that I am, in fact, the one missing the point; however, I'm well aware what the point of this thread was. You are holding strong to your argument that spot reduction can happen with "compounds". My response was, spot reduction cannot happen with things readily available to us or without extreme measures.
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VintageFeline wrote: »
I don't see the retraction of anything. I can't be emphatic enough when I tell you this: please look above and look at what was actually written. He wanted some "Men's Health" type comparison nonsense. I'm sure there's plenty of before and after shots of these on the internet to view if he's that desperate.
nope, I said since you are so sure that you can spot reduce, why don't you take these compounds and show us that one can spot reduce by showing before and after pictures?
I have nothing to prove that studies before me haven't already done.
A case study is specific. A group study and years of research is better. But hey - who am I to judge what you yourself think is more valid...... I just know what the research community would prefer when using it as evidence.0 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.
Sigh. You've contradicted yourself there. The OP asked about spot reduction. The OP employed a method of use that dealt more with water and sweat than actual fat. The responses were of a technical nature regarding fat loss. water. muscle. etc etc. I gave a technical dispute using science. I was asked to clarify. The thing went to pot with ignorance. The rest is history.
I appreciate your rebuttal that I am, in fact, the one missing the point; however, I'm well aware what the point of this thread was. You are holding strong to your argument that spot reduction can happen with "compounds". My response was, spot reduction cannot happen with things readily available to us or without extreme measures.
My first opening post on here was this: "There are certain compounds that will allow spot reduction and others that have been medically shown in studies to fight certain areas of fat. Naturally through diet and exercise: NO. Your genetically predisposed to storing fat in certain areas depending on your genetics. Everybody differs. Unless you plan on taking certain compounds you cannot spot reduce fat. Water retention is another issue, completely."
In other words we agree on the enhanced vs natural differences.
Where we don't agree on is your use of 'slight' when studies have shown dramatic reduction of fat with the aforementioned compounds and in particular with abdominal areas in one and relative to subc. administration in the other which is specific to spot reduction. It is what it is.
"Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducting. You can't. End of story" <-- Just lol.0 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.
Sigh. You've contradicted yourself there. The OP asked about spot reduction. The OP employed a method of use that dealt more with water and sweat than actual fat. The responses were of a technical nature regarding fat loss. water. muscle. etc etc. I gave a technical dispute using science. I was asked to clarify. The thing went to pot with ignorance. The rest is history.
I appreciate your rebuttal that I am, in fact, the one missing the point; however, I'm well aware what the point of this thread was. You are holding strong to your argument that spot reduction can happen with "compounds". My response was, spot reduction cannot happen with things readily available to us or without extreme measures.
My first opening post on here was this: "There are certain compounds that will allow spot reduction and others that have been medically shown in studies to fight certain areas of fat. Naturally through diet and exercise: NO. Your genetically predisposed to storing fat in certain areas depending on your genetics. Everybody differs. Unless you plan on taking certain compounds you cannot spot reduce fat. Water retention is another issue, completely."
In other words we agree on the enhanced vs natural differences.
Where we don't agree on is your use of 'slight' when studies have shown dramatic reduction of fat with the aforementioned compounds and in particular with abdominal areas in one and relative to subc. administration in the other which is specific to spot reduction. It is what it is.
"Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducting. You can't. End of story" <-- Just lol.
I may have missed this, but if these compounds ares so effective, why aren't they being used and prescribed more often?1 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.
Sigh. You've contradicted yourself there. The OP asked about spot reduction. The OP employed a method of use that dealt more with water and sweat than actual fat. The responses were of a technical nature regarding fat loss. water. muscle. etc etc. I gave a technical dispute using science. I was asked to clarify. The thing went to pot with ignorance. The rest is history.
I appreciate your rebuttal that I am, in fact, the one missing the point; however, I'm well aware what the point of this thread was. You are holding strong to your argument that spot reduction can happen with "compounds". My response was, spot reduction cannot happen with things readily available to us or without extreme measures.
My first opening post on here was this: "There are certain compounds that will allow spot reduction and others that have been medically shown in studies to fight certain areas of fat. Naturally through diet and exercise: NO. Your genetically predisposed to storing fat in certain areas depending on your genetics. Everybody differs. Unless you plan on taking certain compounds you cannot spot reduce fat. Water retention is another issue, completely."
In other words we agree on the enhanced vs natural differences.
Where we don't agree on is your use of 'slight' when studies have shown dramatic reduction of fat with the aforementioned compounds and in particular with abdominal areas in one and relative to subc. administration in the other which is specific to spot reduction. It is what it is.
"Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducting. You can't. End of story" <-- Just lol.
"Slow Clap" I'm glad you're able to find some humor in this day, I hope it continues for you. Cheers!1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Oh lookie, neither of the two things you sent me in the PMs actually showed spot reduction, just fat loss induced because one is a steroid and the other is hgh.
Care to share which miracle "spot reduction" things these are?
Oxandrolone and HGH. Really this secrecy crap stinks to high heavens. There's no reason to not write it public unless being afraid of being shown to be wrong.
I should think the legalities of using them in this context may have something to do with the reluctance. It was mentioned openly in previous discussions but he's choosing now to be cagey. No doubt there are reasons for this.
Yeah - to be honest I didn't want specific names brought up in the thread (edit) because it would lead people to assume some condoning of use but he decided to bring about it public. Would have been better to grandstand referring to them as O or H. There's others out there like Intaleukin 3, 6, 8 and 15 and all sorts of cytokines which are disputable as to their pros and cons and rarely used in connection with fat/health/muscle/performance but I'd never discuss anything that wasn't a medicine or prescription based chemical with a USE for that particular topic. I.e. these things are used for these purposes.
If you're referring to off-label use then this interpretation is incorrect. A producer of a drug or device is strictly prohibited from use outside the label. A medical practitioner on the other hand is not only authorized, but expected to serve the best interests of the patient. If that means using product outside the labeling they may do so, but they do this under their license. Legal savvy practitioners would do so under their respective risk assessment system, but as for internet advice? There is no issue.1 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.
Sigh. You've contradicted yourself there. The OP asked about spot reduction. The OP employed a method of use that dealt more with water and sweat than actual fat. The responses were of a technical nature regarding fat loss. water. muscle. etc etc. I gave a technical dispute using science. I was asked to clarify. The thing went to pot with ignorance. The rest is history.
I appreciate your rebuttal that I am, in fact, the one missing the point; however, I'm well aware what the point of this thread was. You are holding strong to your argument that spot reduction can happen with "compounds". My response was, spot reduction cannot happen with things readily available to us or without extreme measures.
My first opening post on here was this: "There are certain compounds that will allow spot reduction and others that have been medically shown in studies to fight certain areas of fat. Naturally through diet and exercise: NO. Your genetically predisposed to storing fat in certain areas depending on your genetics. Everybody differs. Unless you plan on taking certain compounds you cannot spot reduce fat. Water retention is another issue, completely."
In other words we agree on the enhanced vs natural differences.
Where we don't agree on is your use of 'slight' when studies have shown dramatic reduction of fat with the aforementioned compounds and in particular with abdominal areas in one and relative to subc. administration in the other which is specific to spot reduction. It is what it is.
"Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducting. You can't. End of story" <-- Just lol.
I may have missed this, but if these compounds ares so effective, why aren't they being used and prescribed more often?
Because..... people.
Because.... "humans be humans".
They are prescribed often enough to those who need them. Just because something is effective doesn't mean it is something that should be publicly available or even a first/second even third option for those seeking a certain goal?
Example:
gammahydroxybutyrate acid releases a lot of important chemicals and triggers 3-4 hours of REM sleep but is only used for cataplexy linked to narcolepsy where we are. In other countries it's used for sleep disorders with circadian rhythm problems. Those who have sleeping problems do not automatically start on that, do they? They get referred to antihistamines like diphenhydramine, followed by things like zopiclone 3.75 then 7.5 and it continues.
The OP had a question. The answer is naturally no, chemically yes. Just because it works doesn't mean your FDA will approve it for widespread Walmart availability? 0 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.
Sigh. You've contradicted yourself there. The OP asked about spot reduction. The OP employed a method of use that dealt more with water and sweat than actual fat. The responses were of a technical nature regarding fat loss. water. muscle. etc etc. I gave a technical dispute using science. I was asked to clarify. The thing went to pot with ignorance. The rest is history.
I appreciate your rebuttal that I am, in fact, the one missing the point; however, I'm well aware what the point of this thread was. You are holding strong to your argument that spot reduction can happen with "compounds". My response was, spot reduction cannot happen with things readily available to us or without extreme measures.
My first opening post on here was this: "There are certain compounds that will allow spot reduction and others that have been medically shown in studies to fight certain areas of fat. Naturally through diet and exercise: NO. Your genetically predisposed to storing fat in certain areas depending on your genetics. Everybody differs. Unless you plan on taking certain compounds you cannot spot reduce fat. Water retention is another issue, completely."
In other words we agree on the enhanced vs natural differences.
Where we don't agree on is your use of 'slight' when studies have shown dramatic reduction of fat with the aforementioned compounds and in particular with abdominal areas in one and relative to subc. administration in the other which is specific to spot reduction. It is what it is.
"Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducting. You can't. End of story" <-- Just lol.
I may have missed this, but if these compounds ares so effective, why aren't they being used and prescribed more often?
apparently, there is a legality issue with said compounds.
Not to mention that fact that said person has produced zero proof that they actually spot reduce.3 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.
Sigh. You've contradicted yourself there. The OP asked about spot reduction. The OP employed a method of use that dealt more with water and sweat than actual fat. The responses were of a technical nature regarding fat loss. water. muscle. etc etc. I gave a technical dispute using science. I was asked to clarify. The thing went to pot with ignorance. The rest is history.
I appreciate your rebuttal that I am, in fact, the one missing the point; however, I'm well aware what the point of this thread was. You are holding strong to your argument that spot reduction can happen with "compounds". My response was, spot reduction cannot happen with things readily available to us or without extreme measures.
My first opening post on here was this: "There are certain compounds that will allow spot reduction and others that have been medically shown in studies to fight certain areas of fat. Naturally through diet and exercise: NO. Your genetically predisposed to storing fat in certain areas depending on your genetics. Everybody differs. Unless you plan on taking certain compounds you cannot spot reduce fat. Water retention is another issue, completely."
In other words we agree on the enhanced vs natural differences.
Where we don't agree on is your use of 'slight' when studies have shown dramatic reduction of fat with the aforementioned compounds and in particular with abdominal areas in one and relative to subc. administration in the other which is specific to spot reduction. It is what it is.
"Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducting. You can't. End of story" <-- Just lol.
I may have missed this, but if these compounds ares so effective, why aren't they being used and prescribed more often?
Because..... people.
Because.... "humans be humans".
They are prescribed often enough to those who need them. Just because something is effective doesn't mean it is something that should be publicly available or even a first/second even third option for those seeking a certain goal?
Example:
gammahydroxybutyrate acid releases a lot of important chemicals and triggers 3-4 hours of REM sleep but is only used for cataplexy linked to narcolepsy where we are. In other countries it's used for sleep disorders with circadian rhythm problems. Those who have sleeping problems do not automatically start on that, do they? They get referred to antihistamines like diphenhydramine, followed by things like zopiclone 3.75 then 7.5 and it continues.
The OP had a question. The answer is naturally no, chemically yes. Just because it works doesn't mean your FDA will approve it for widespread Walmart availability?
What is the criteria for getting a prescription for these compounds? Is it not legal to use them for fat reduction? If so, why? If I were obese and went to you requesting this treatment, what would you say?1 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Why am I not surprised you don't like people linking to the WHO?
The WHO wasn't the issue - the complete shock of the irrelevance of your 'research' was the issue. Anyway that's another thread. I just sent you two messages with two examples. You want some more messages with other examples? I also provided you with links if you require any more links or research into those let me know.
Without prescription and approval from a doctor I find it more appropriate to not discuss particulars but you get the idea
Why not post your citations here? As a professional researcher, one of my great joys in life is destroying clown science.
The fact that you "know" all this but can't post your supersecret, magical compounds or link to any science backing you up is hysterical.
I've already done it in private. Since he has namedropped two examples and I've provided further information I'll assume you've heard of search engines? I'm not here to be your joey or dog and fetch for you when I've already provided my examples as well as sent him links.
I'm glad you get joy in destroying clown science. So do I. We're in the same boat, then.
Why kind of research is it, that you do? I do some research, myself.
You're missing the point of the discussion. You cannot spot reduce based on things that are readily available to us. You cannot, for the most part, exercise a muscle to death to spot reduce fat. You just can't. TECHNICALLY, there are likely a bunch of cagey, unsafe, massive side affect, drugs out there that could slightly increase it. But there is no magic thigh pill that if you take 3x's a day you're thighs will magically shed fat! Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducing. You can't. End of story.
Sigh. You've contradicted yourself there. The OP asked about spot reduction. The OP employed a method of use that dealt more with water and sweat than actual fat. The responses were of a technical nature regarding fat loss. water. muscle. etc etc. I gave a technical dispute using science. I was asked to clarify. The thing went to pot with ignorance. The rest is history.
I appreciate your rebuttal that I am, in fact, the one missing the point; however, I'm well aware what the point of this thread was. You are holding strong to your argument that spot reduction can happen with "compounds". My response was, spot reduction cannot happen with things readily available to us or without extreme measures.
My first opening post on here was this: "There are certain compounds that will allow spot reduction and others that have been medically shown in studies to fight certain areas of fat. Naturally through diet and exercise: NO. Your genetically predisposed to storing fat in certain areas depending on your genetics. Everybody differs. Unless you plan on taking certain compounds you cannot spot reduce fat. Water retention is another issue, completely."
In other words we agree on the enhanced vs natural differences.
Where we don't agree on is your use of 'slight' when studies have shown dramatic reduction of fat with the aforementioned compounds and in particular with abdominal areas in one and relative to subc. administration in the other which is specific to spot reduction. It is what it is.
"Don't over complicate things, the OP brought up spot reducting. You can't. End of story" <-- Just lol.
I may have missed this, but if these compounds ares so effective, why aren't they being used and prescribed more often?
Because..... people.
Because.... "humans be humans".
They are prescribed often enough to those who need them. Just because something is effective doesn't mean it is something that should be publicly available or even a first/second even third option for those seeking a certain goal?
Example:
gammahydroxybutyrate acid releases a lot of important chemicals and triggers 3-4 hours of REM sleep but is only used for cataplexy linked to narcolepsy where we are. In other countries it's used for sleep disorders with circadian rhythm problems. Those who have sleeping problems do not automatically start on that, do they? They get referred to antihistamines like diphenhydramine, followed by things like zopiclone 3.75 then 7.5 and it continues.
The OP had a question. The answer is naturally no, chemically yes. Just because it works doesn't mean your FDA will approve it for widespread Walmart availability?
What is the criteria for getting a prescription for these compounds? Is it not legal to use them for fat reduction? If so, why? If I were obese and went to you requesting this treatment, what would you say?
I know one of them is a banned substance for athletes (not of the bodybuilding sort unless they do natty comps). I assume anything in the steroid family would be too.
As for the legalities of prescribing HGH off label for vanity spot reduction, I don't know but I would certainly hope it's not approved, especially here where the NHS is already under great strain from long term underfunding.1
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