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VintageFeline wrote: »I'd rather see someone posting about how they're fitting in and enjoying burgers, beer, fries, chocolate, donuts etc etc than someone constantly beating themselves up about "cheating" or eating really unhealthy or OMG I caved and had a slice of pizza. I see the latter way too much in my newsfeed. That's not a healthy relationship with what boils down to fuel that pretty much always has some nutritional value, even if it is largely calories.
Spending my life feeling guilty because one day I just felt like 5 donuts was the best use of 1000 is no life. (I totally didn't this two days ago. Nope. Not me. That was not me you saw in the carpark of the supermarket eating one of those said donuts. Nuh uh.)
Wholeheartedly agree. Although a popular opinion on MFP, not popular outside where the diet industry has a firm grasp.
Knowing that I simply have to make adjustments to my budget makes it empowering. As in most things its not a matter of a solution, but a management of trade offs.11 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I'd rather see someone posting about how they're fitting in and enjoying burgers, beer, fries, chocolate, donuts etc etc than someone constantly beating themselves up about "cheating" or eating really unhealthy or OMG I caved and had a slice of pizza. I see the latter way too much in my newsfeed. That's not a healthy relationship with what boils down to fuel that pretty much always has some nutritional value, even if it is largely calories.
Spending my life feeling guilty because one day I just felt like 5 donuts was the best use of 1000 is no life. (I totally didn't this two days ago. Nope. Not me. That was not me you saw in the carpark of the supermarket eating one of those said donuts. Nuh uh.)
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StealthHealth wrote: »Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.
One might wish there were some friendly tool, maybe available on the internet or on mobile devices, that would provide its users the means to do this.
You could probably make a lot of money by providing such a tool and supporting it with relevant advertising.9 -
StealthHealth wrote: »Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.
Like, say, this guy?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10348650/cico-still-skeptical-come-inside-for-a-meticulous-log-that-proves-it#latest9 -
StealthHealth wrote: »Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.
One might wish there were some friendly tool, maybe available on the internet or on mobile devices, that would provide its users the means to do this.
Almost as if you are describing a "personal athleticism friend" (patent pending).19 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.
You know, I can eat nachos and some fries, but I can't eat those other things because I have celiac disease.
It would be rather childish of me to expect my husband and children to never think of having, wanting, or talking about having anything with gluten in it because I can't ever have pizza, poptarts, good French bread, donuts, etc. again.
Same here.
The greater point isn't even if some people fit it in on a deficit and some people can't vs. people with very high maintenance numbers fitting it in or vs. those eating on a deficit who can't.
The point is that there are always going to be people in the world who have things we don't. And we can't get upset about that and they're not "rubbing it in our faces" simply by having them. This is stuff I learned in kindergarten, for goodness sake! I think it's something everyone learned when they were young.
This is such a childish point to be making. I'm happy for my friends who can fit pizza into their diets, not resentful that I can never have it, and YUP, I'm going to judge the hell out of someone who can't be happy for someone else who has the good fortune to be able to enjoy the things they can't. Life's too short to have a woe is me attitude. I have plenty of other things that I get to enjoy.14 -
Someone should develop that. Would totally download.StealthHealth wrote: »Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.
One might wish there were some friendly tool, maybe available on the internet or on mobile devices, that would provide its users the means to do this.
Almost as if you are describing a "personal athleticism friend" (patent pending).
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StealthHealth wrote: »Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.
One might wish there were some friendly tool, maybe available on the internet or on mobile devices, that would provide its users the means to do this.
Almost as if you are describing a "personal athleticism friend" (patent pending).
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stanmann571 wrote: »StealthHealth wrote: »Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.
One might wish there were some friendly tool, maybe available on the internet or on mobile devices, that would provide its users the means to do this.
Almost as if you are describing a "personal athleticism friend" (patent pending).
Sure is friday
I'm suspicious of this - I'm still sober.9 -
stanmann571 wrote: »StealthHealth wrote: »Maybe there are some people may have worked out a way in which they can eat burgers, fries, donuts and still improve their body composition.
One might wish there were some friendly tool, maybe available on the internet or on mobile devices, that would provide its users the means to do this.
Almost as if you are describing a "personal athleticism friend" (patent pending).
Sure is friday
I'm suspicious of this - I'm still sober.
Poor life decisions have led you to this place.9 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I'd rather see someone posting about how they're fitting in and enjoying burgers, beer, fries, chocolate, donuts etc etc than someone constantly beating themselves up about "cheating" or eating really unhealthy or OMG I caved and had a slice of pizza. I see the latter way too much in my newsfeed. That's not a healthy relationship with what boils down to fuel that pretty much always has some nutritional value, even if it is largely calories.
Spending my life feeling guilty because one day I just felt like 5 donuts was the best use of 1000 is no life. (I totally didn't this two days ago. Nope. Not me. That was not me you saw in the carpark of the supermarket eating one of those said donuts. Nuh uh.)
Truth.
I'm in a weight loss group on facebook (mostly because the friendly competition helps motivate me) and there are too many "oh, I blew it today" posts when someone eats pizza or whatever. Even if you eat something you love in moderation, but that puts you over one day, it's okay. You don't do that every day, that's what matters.6 -
I am sick of stereotypes you have be a toothpick in order to not considered to be not fat. I know I have to take off over 100 lbs because I gained back some I am on this site to track my diet and find encouragement. But some the profile pictures of the people on here are totally not reality for everyone. I am 5'5" I have a medium frame and not I am not looking for an opinion on my ideal weight. I know feel good at a particular weight below that I don't feel healthy. Another thing why does everyone who loses weight feel that they have post pictures of themselves half naked. Please I stop making me toss my breakfast when I open this app. If you want to go to dating site and do that its totally fine. But not everyone wants to pollute their eyes with your body parts.....just saying.
Oops, I suppose I should replace my profile pic- it is my reality and that is what counts for me.
I suppose I should also stop posting pics of me in my bikini on the menopause/post menopause, B belly, apple shape, and jiggly belly threads.
I mean really who wants to be encouraged by a visual example of what can be achieved, post middle age, with a calorie deficit, some cardio, and lifting when they can just sit and post woe is me threads instead.
Oh, and I do get tired and a little embarrassed keep posting my pics, (some of the regulars on here are probably sick of the sight of my bellybutton) but there are so few women who are older that will post examples that I do post if someone is looking for a visual example.
It is not about showing off, or looking for a date; it is about being proud of what I have achieved and helping others achieve their goal.
Cheers, h.
Ps. Tell me this doesn't illustrate that a woman in her 60's can't improve her body by running a long term recomp.
If you can keep your breakfast down long enough to look.
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middlehaitch wrote: »I am sick of stereotypes you have be a toothpick in order to not considered to be not fat. I know I have to take off over 100 lbs because I gained back some I am on this site to track my diet and find encouragement. But some the profile pictures of the people on here are totally not reality for everyone. I am 5'5" I have a medium frame and not I am not looking for an opinion on my ideal weight. I know feel good at a particular weight below that I don't feel healthy. Another thing why does everyone who loses weight feel that they have post pictures of themselves half naked. Please I stop making me toss my breakfast when I open this app. If you want to go to dating site and do that its totally fine. But not everyone wants to pollute their eyes with your body parts.....just saying.
Oops, I suppose I should replace my profile pic- it is my reality and that is what counts for me.
I suppose I should also stop posting pics of me in my bikini on the menopause/post menopause, B belly, apple shape, and jiggly belly threads.
I mean really who wants to be encouraged by a visual example of what can be achieved, post middle age, with a calorie deficit, some cardio, and lifting when they can just sit and post woe is me threads instead.
Oh, and I do get tired and a little embarrassed keep posting my pics, (some of the regulars on here are probably sick of the sight of my bellybutton) but there are so few women who are older that will post examples that I do post if someone is looking for a visual example.
It is not about showing off, or looking for a date; it is about being proud of what I have achieved and helping others achieve their goal.
Cheers, h.
Ps. Tell me this doesn't illustrate that a woman in her 60's can't improve her body by running a long term recomp.
If you can keep your breakfast down long enough to look.
Thanks for posting those pics! You are awesome and an inspiration for this 66 year old who just reached goal weight and is working on building some healthy muscle
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middlehaitch wrote: »I am sick of stereotypes you have be a toothpick in order to not considered to be not fat. I know I have to take off over 100 lbs because I gained back some I am on this site to track my diet and find encouragement. But some the profile pictures of the people on here are totally not reality for everyone. I am 5'5" I have a medium frame and not I am not looking for an opinion on my ideal weight. I know feel good at a particular weight below that I don't feel healthy. Another thing why does everyone who loses weight feel that they have post pictures of themselves half naked. Please I stop making me toss my breakfast when I open this app. If you want to go to dating site and do that its totally fine. But not everyone wants to pollute their eyes with your body parts.....just saying.
Oops, I suppose I should replace my profile pic- it is my reality and that is what counts for me.
I suppose I should also stop posting pics of me in my bikini on the menopause/post menopause, B belly, apple shape, and jiggly belly threads.
I mean really who wants to be encouraged by a visual example of what can be achieved, post middle age, with a calorie deficit, some cardio, and lifting when they can just sit and post woe is me threads instead.
Oh, and I do get tired and a little embarrassed keep posting my pics, (some of the regulars on here are probably sick of the sight of my bellybutton) but there are so few women who are older that will post examples that I do post if someone is looking for a visual example.
It is not about showing off, or looking for a date; it is about being proud of what I have achieved and helping others achieve their goal.
Cheers, h.
Ps. Tell me this doesn't illustrate that a woman in her 60's can't improve her body by running a long term recomp.
If you can keep your breakfast down long enough to look.
Good job! I love to see what older women are doing. I'm only 15 years away from 60 and great to have a point of reference.3 -
I don't think anybody "should" be doing any one thing to lose weight. Whatever's correct is whatever works sustainably for the individual IMO, and that varies a lot from one person to the next based on a number of factors.1
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lemurcat12 wrote: »danigirl1011 wrote: »I get slammed for saying GMO's exist and are responsible for tons of health issues involving americans daily
GMOs do exist. That seems a silly thing to argue with.
I don't see any evidence for the other, but I wanted you to know that some certainly agree that GMOs exist. That's probably even a popular opinion!
I would agree it's silly to argue with! But, people on facebook think you're crazy once you start talking about it.0 -
klowieislyfe1 wrote: »I don't think anybody "should" be doing any one thing to lose weight. Whatever's correct is whatever works sustainably for the individual IMO, and that varies a lot from one person to the next based on a number of factors.
Nope, it all boils down to calorie deficit4 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.
Cozumel Mexican Restaurant - Ground Beef Enchilada & Tostada With Beef & Cheese, 1 meal 845
Cozumel Mexican Restaurant - Extra Chips, 12 Chips 140
Cozumel Mexican Restaurant - Extra Salsa, 8 oz 43
Chipotle - Margarita, 44 fl. oz. 770
1,798 calorie dinner - look how awesome I am, I can absorb this and still be in good shape! You are welcome for the inspiration, if you are overweight and trying to eat at a deficit I'm sure this is what you joined MFP for...4 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.
Cozumel Mexican Restaurant - Ground Beef Enchilada & Tostada With Beef & Cheese, 1 meal 845
Cozumel Mexican Restaurant - Extra Chips, 12 Chips 140
Cozumel Mexican Restaurant - Extra Salsa, 8 oz 43
Chipotle - Margarita, 44 fl. oz. 770
1,798 calorie dinner - look how awesome I am, I can absorb this and still be in good shape! You are welcome for the inspiration, if you are overweight and trying to eat at a deficit I'm sure this is what you joined MFP for...
Perhaps that was all they ate that day. Perhaps they had been "banking" calories all week because they knew they were going to eat that meal. Perhaps their normal daily intake includes 15 serves of fruit and vegies.8 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
When the US obesity rate reaches 90%, "Mmm Fries" will officially replace "E Pluribus Unum" on all of our currency...
ETA: we can air fry them if you want
That is the glorious part of MFP - half the people are scratching and clawing to eat at a deficit and the other half are gushing over all of the greasy, high calorie - high fat food they eat
The really fun part is that looking at the respective food diaries, the so-called "greasy high cal - high fat" folks don't eat that differently in practice in a lot of cases from the "oh so clean" . . . and sometimes even eat more nutritiously. I think the recently (semi-)converted can sometimes be the biggest proselytizers. No universals, of course.
I don't think the "oh so clean" people really give a rat's about it it - this site has a lot of "oh so fat" people who probably can't fit 510 calories & 24g of fat from an order of large fries from McDonald's into a deficit oriented diet, so I've always found MFP an odd place to brag about eating these types of foods.
I'm not parsing this.
The truly fat people in many cases have higher TDEEs, so can fit some fries (why would it be large? mostly I see people saying you can eat fast food and giving examples where they skip the fries or have small or have it as a rare indulgence meal).
The "oh so clean" people seem to go on and on about how they don't eat processed foods when the diaries from "clean eaters" I've seen look similar to what I eat (which isn't clean) or often more processed stuff (which is fine, processed stuff can fit in a healthful diet). Very, very often the people going on about eating clean are, as the prior poster said, brand new to cooking at all (after eating way more fast food or frozen stuff than many of us ever did, and having much more fondness for packaged sweets than many of us ever did) and they think that eating McD's only a couple of times a week is "clean" or some such and that everyone not self-proclaimed "clean" must not care about nutrition at all and eating a horrible diet, which is annoying.
Not everyone is on a diet, not everyone eating at a deficit is "scratching and clawing" to get there, and most people who say "I still eat some so called junk food or fast food" will explain it's more rarely or in smaller amounts than before. I love Indian food and decided I didn't want to skip everything I loved most to construct a deficit appropriate meal (this was when I was on a deficit) and so I decided to go only once a month, usually on a long run or long bike day. Nice, but saying I still go have curry and naan doesn't mean I can eat that all the time or wasn't keeping a deficit.
If you are a 6 ft 50 year old man who is 100lbs overweight and trying to lose 1-1.5 lbs per week , running a 500-750 calorie deficit per day and eating 2,000 calories a day after eating 3,500 calories a day +for years, that is scratching and clawing for that person. That is a huge difference and a big lifestyle adjustment. I'm trying to understand why that person (or anyone else, to be honest) would want to read about fit people enjoying their fries and donuts on a fitness site.
What is funny haha about this is I had a person on my Friend list tell me something similar but basically said please stop talking about all the food you are making/eating...
my response was ah no...I am losing weight the way I want and if you don't like it you know where the door is...
I was that person losing weight making and eating donuts...fries...pies...nachos etc.
it's not just fit folks that enjoy food and talking about ti.
Cozumel Mexican Restaurant - Ground Beef Enchilada & Tostada With Beef & Cheese, 1 meal 845
Cozumel Mexican Restaurant - Extra Chips, 12 Chips 140
Cozumel Mexican Restaurant - Extra Salsa, 8 oz 43
Chipotle - Margarita, 44 fl. oz. 770
1,798 calorie dinner - look how awesome I am, I can absorb this and still be in good shape! You are welcome for the inspiration, if you are overweight and trying to eat at a deficit I'm sure this is what you joined MFP for...
I'm confused. Is this from your diary? Are you outing someone?0
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