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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike
. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily,
and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.2 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
I said I don't count them for myself. That's it. It's a standard I hold myself to, not other people. With others, as long as you do your best, that's amazing and should be congratulated. I understand that many people have a limit on thier knees, ankles, hips, it's not uncommon. One of my best friends is a runner, she doesn't consider it "running" until she's cruising a 6 min/mile, but that's her standard, for herself. I've never even gotten close to holding that kind of pace for anything longer than 100 meters.VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
That is like saying the clean doesn't count unless you can jerk it.
Seriously, do you even know the difference between power lifting and Olympic lifting.?13 -
VintageFeline wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily, and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.
Agree with this ^^. I'm hoping to get the all clear to start running again soon, and will start right back at the beginning of C25K to help build strength further (and because my fitness level has gone to utter crap). Flexibility is also really important. Do you yoga? Check out Yoga with Adriene on YouTube, she has some awesome practices for runners, including one that focuses on hamstrings. I do her full 15 minute practices before and after running.2 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count. Especially with squats, not to full depth, not a squat. I know a lot of people that will argue that anything past parallel is a squat, I just won't count that for me.
Making sure form is perfect is a whole lot more important than any weight on the bar to me.
I'd take a 500# squat at parallel over one of your "perfect form" squats with the bar only. lol
Hmm, wonder why I would post this as an unpopular opinion?
So, how do you do squats with Olympic form if it's not even included in Olympic lifting events? And I'm confused about your situation. Do you work out at Anytime as your profile pic indicates or are you affiliated with some University in Texas?
I attend University, I work out at mostly Anytime. The University althetic center is usually packed. I was a human lab rat for two weeks in exchange for 1/2 my tuition paid, grad school ain't cheap.
I meant that I drop as to where my hamstring touch my calves.
what about butt wink? or knees caving? or hips shooting up too fast? or your squat looking like a good morning....
getting ATG is one thing but there is more to form than that and you don't mention any of it...
I get you said "making sure form is perfect" but olympic form is not perfect ever...even for gold there are always flaws.
even the clean and press is no longer used due to difficulties in judging form...
and if at some point you find out all this ATG has damaged your body due to poor form other than that you might look back on this and shudder...just sayin
you are young...4 -
Since I'm late to the party, I'll drop my own here, though it's probably already been hit on earlier in this threadnaut:
AAS should be descheduled across the board, and the misinformation and demonization needs to stop.
People need to quit their whining, put in some training, and if they've peaked, either shut up or gear up. All of the blubbering about fairness amounts to nothing, when even at the top end (and drug tested) levels, PEDs are in rampant use.4 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
Lol so my bust is a 26, or a stretchy 24 and my waist down is about a 20. Joy! "Hello, yes, I'm trying to find a shirt that is flattering for my size 20 waist AND size 26 boobs" *facepalm*.
Not going to lie, finding shirts that fit well can be a bit annoying but I'll take the current 2 size difference in sizing for my body instead of the old 6.
Right now I generally fit a 1X(14/16)/16 on top and a 14/16 on bottom depending on the cut.
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
And a good thing too. If you want to be actually able to buy clothes.amusedmonkey wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
That's interesting. According to the chart I'm a tight size 20 by hip and a size 18 by waist, but most of my current well fitting clothes are a size 14.
And THAT is where vanity sizing comes in. These standards were set using the measurements of American women compiled in the 1940's and 50's. Pattern companies are required to follow this, clothing manufacturers are not.
It's one thing for dressmaking patterns to have a specific set of measurements; if you're choosing to make your own clothes, you're probably able to adjust the bust or hips in or out to fit yourself
If you're a store selling clothes, you want to sell them to fit the shoppers, and the shoppers are not all going to magically have the body shape with the much lauded ten inch difference twix waist and hip that used to be taught as fricking holy gospel in sewing.
If you're a customer who wants to buy clothes, who can't sew, universal standardisation across stores would either see you able to buy everywhere, or... nowhere.
Government regulation on clothing sizes would be very restrictive here.
My 10" waist to hip difference is actually a huge pain in the butt, and even though it was annoyingly taught as "holy gospel" in sewing, it makes buying flattering pants that actually fit me right in the real world nearly impossible. Finding decent dresses is also tricky.
This isn't a "poor me" post, I'm just saying that buying clothes to fit my body right is actually really hard for me too. There's also currently a 12"
difference between my waist and my bust. Most clothes aren't cut for my shape. I need spandex in EVERYTHING.
But I wholeheartedly agree with your post because if clothing manufacturers were held to dressmaker measurements I'd be even worse off! Vanity sizing can be super annoying but as long as we take our measurements and pay attention to individual company sizing charts we are usually going to be ok.2 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
I said I don't count them for myself. That's it. It's a standard I hold myself to, not other people. With others, as long as you do your best, that's amazing and should be congratulated. I understand that many people have a limit on thier knees, ankles, hips, it's not uncommon. One of my best friends is a runner, she doesn't consider it "running" until she's cruising a 6 min/mile, but that's her standard, for herself. I've never even gotten close to holding that kind of pace for anything longer than 100 meters.
Yeah, at the very end you said that, but you start out your post by saying "When it comes to any weight training, unless it's at Olympic qualify form, it doesn't count." That was what you stated was your unpopular opinion, so don't try to walk it back now because you have been called out for having poor logic and sounding preachy. Not only that but almost every one of your posts now seem extremely dishonest. That's my opinion, but I don't necessarily think it is an unpopular one.21 -
VintageFeline wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily, and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.
Ell oh ell. Scale back...
*looks shifty* *changes subject* Anyway... Logically, you're right about NHS resources and all that, but I just hate going to the doctor. I sit there in the waiting room, feeling the picture of health, and eye all the Properly Deserving with limbs hanging off.
I have an enforced couple of weeks off organised cardio things, while all and sundry go on holiday from teaching. I will have to see how it goes. It's improved so much already.
V. good advice. In my case, lack of flex shouldn't, theoretically, be the problem, but it is my less flexible leg that's doing all this. If it is lack of flexibility, then gawd knows how other people sort this kind of thing.Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily, and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.
Agree with this ^^. I'm hoping to get the all clear to start running again soon, and will start right back at the beginning of C25K to help build strength further (and because my fitness level has gone to utter crap). Flexibility is also really important. Do you yoga? Check out Yoga with Adriene on YouTube, she has some awesome practices for runners, including one that focuses on hamstrings. I do her full 15 minute practices before and after running.
After my initial consults with Dr Google, I was rather panicking that my juvenile over-enthusiastic stretching and lazy form (exploiting my mobility instead of learning to perform techniques precisely) had caught up with me!
I have the Yoga Studio app, but I'll definitely make time to check out Adriene. More yoga is always good; I'm desultorily trying to get my splits back to where they used to be.
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MsHarryWinston wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
Lol so my bust is a 26, or a stretchy 24 and my waist down is about a 20. Joy! "Hello, yes, I'm trying to find a shirt that is flattering for my size 20 waist AND size 26 boobs" *facepalm*.
Not going to lie, finding shirts that fit well can be a bit annoying but I'll take the current 2 size difference in sizing for my body instead of the old 6.
Right now I generally fit a 1X(14/16)/16 on top and a 14/16 on bottom depending on the cut.
wow you have an amazing hourglass figure. I wish I did. I have 27in waist but 29in hips. According to this chart i am a 14 in waist but below a 4 in hips LOL2 -
I don't know how unpopular those are, but here they are:
- I don't think we should eat many small meals (to keep our sugar levels etc.)
- I am very skeptical about how much protein we really need (I don't have a definite answer though)
- I think cake is a cake, wether is paleo, keto, vegan..you name it
- I am skeptical about all supplements
- I think it's better to have a real sugar once in a while then artificial sweeteners
- I don't think that the water intake is that big issue as represented
All of this for me.0 -
Ack. It's all utterly pants, isn't it.MsHarryWinston wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
And a good thing too. If you want to be actually able to buy clothes.amusedmonkey wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
That's interesting. According to the chart I'm a tight size 20 by hip and a size 18 by waist, but most of my current well fitting clothes are a size 14.
And THAT is where vanity sizing comes in. These standards were set using the measurements of American women compiled in the 1940's and 50's. Pattern companies are required to follow this, clothing manufacturers are not.
It's one thing for dressmaking patterns to have a specific set of measurements; if you're choosing to make your own clothes, you're probably able to adjust the bust or hips in or out to fit yourself
If you're a store selling clothes, you want to sell them to fit the shoppers, and the shoppers are not all going to magically have the body shape with the much lauded ten inch difference twix waist and hip that used to be taught as fricking holy gospel in sewing.
If you're a customer who wants to buy clothes, who can't sew, universal standardisation across stores would either see you able to buy everywhere, or... nowhere.
Government regulation on clothing sizes would be very restrictive here.
My 10" waist to hip difference is actually a huge pain in the butt, and even though it was annoyingly taught as "holy gospel" in sewing, it makes buying flattering pants that actually fit me right in the real world nearly impossible. Finding decent dresses is also tricky.
This isn't a "poor me" post, I'm just saying that buying clothes to fit my body right is actually really hard for me too. There's also currently a 12"
difference between my waist and my bust. Most clothes aren't cut for my shape. I need spandex in EVERYTHING.
But I wholeheartedly agree with your post because if clothing manufacturers were held to dressmaker measurements I'd be even worse off! Vanity sizing can be super annoying but as long as we take our measurements and pay attention to individual company sizing charts we are usually going to be ok.
When I overhear women bemoaning their luck in the neighbouring changing room cubicles, I sometimes wonder whether the prototype garments even fit the fit models, or whether it was just a case of "close enough" and "it'll do" on them!
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ack. It's all utterly pants, isn't it.MsHarryWinston wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
And a good thing too. If you want to be actually able to buy clothes.amusedmonkey wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
That's interesting. According to the chart I'm a tight size 20 by hip and a size 18 by waist, but most of my current well fitting clothes are a size 14.
And THAT is where vanity sizing comes in. These standards were set using the measurements of American women compiled in the 1940's and 50's. Pattern companies are required to follow this, clothing manufacturers are not.
It's one thing for dressmaking patterns to have a specific set of measurements; if you're choosing to make your own clothes, you're probably able to adjust the bust or hips in or out to fit yourself
If you're a store selling clothes, you want to sell them to fit the shoppers, and the shoppers are not all going to magically have the body shape with the much lauded ten inch difference twix waist and hip that used to be taught as fricking holy gospel in sewing.
If you're a customer who wants to buy clothes, who can't sew, universal standardisation across stores would either see you able to buy everywhere, or... nowhere.
Government regulation on clothing sizes would be very restrictive here.
My 10" waist to hip difference is actually a huge pain in the butt, and even though it was annoyingly taught as "holy gospel" in sewing, it makes buying flattering pants that actually fit me right in the real world nearly impossible. Finding decent dresses is also tricky.
This isn't a "poor me" post, I'm just saying that buying clothes to fit my body right is actually really hard for me too. There's also currently a 12"
difference between my waist and my bust. Most clothes aren't cut for my shape. I need spandex in EVERYTHING.
But I wholeheartedly agree with your post because if clothing manufacturers were held to dressmaker measurements I'd be even worse off! Vanity sizing can be super annoying but as long as we take our measurements and pay attention to individual company sizing charts we are usually going to be ok.
When I overhear women bemoaning their luck in the neighbouring changing room cubicles, I sometimes wonder whether the prototype garments even fit the fit models, or whether it was just a case of "close enough" and "it'll do" on them!
As far as model pics, there's a trick the fashion industry uses for picture. Butterfly clips. They are kept out of the picture, but used to pull the clothing together where it is baggier giving the appearance of a better fitted item. Saw this at a JC Penney's (when they would do them in store and use employees and thier kids) Little girls dress fit perfectly, then I saw her turn around: about 20 clips holding the dress to have it fit perfect.10 -
VeronicaA76 wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ack. It's all utterly pants, isn't it.MsHarryWinston wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
And a good thing too. If you want to be actually able to buy clothes.amusedmonkey wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
That's interesting. According to the chart I'm a tight size 20 by hip and a size 18 by waist, but most of my current well fitting clothes are a size 14.
And THAT is where vanity sizing comes in. These standards were set using the measurements of American women compiled in the 1940's and 50's. Pattern companies are required to follow this, clothing manufacturers are not.
It's one thing for dressmaking patterns to have a specific set of measurements; if you're choosing to make your own clothes, you're probably able to adjust the bust or hips in or out to fit yourself
If you're a store selling clothes, you want to sell them to fit the shoppers, and the shoppers are not all going to magically have the body shape with the much lauded ten inch difference twix waist and hip that used to be taught as fricking holy gospel in sewing.
If you're a customer who wants to buy clothes, who can't sew, universal standardisation across stores would either see you able to buy everywhere, or... nowhere.
Government regulation on clothing sizes would be very restrictive here.
My 10" waist to hip difference is actually a huge pain in the butt, and even though it was annoyingly taught as "holy gospel" in sewing, it makes buying flattering pants that actually fit me right in the real world nearly impossible. Finding decent dresses is also tricky.
This isn't a "poor me" post, I'm just saying that buying clothes to fit my body right is actually really hard for me too. There's also currently a 12"
difference between my waist and my bust. Most clothes aren't cut for my shape. I need spandex in EVERYTHING.
But I wholeheartedly agree with your post because if clothing manufacturers were held to dressmaker measurements I'd be even worse off! Vanity sizing can be super annoying but as long as we take our measurements and pay attention to individual company sizing charts we are usually going to be ok.
When I overhear women bemoaning their luck in the neighbouring changing room cubicles, I sometimes wonder whether the prototype garments even fit the fit models, or whether it was just a case of "close enough" and "it'll do" on them!
As far as model pics, there's a trick the fashion industry uses for picture. Butterfly clips. They are kept out of the picture, but used to pull the clothing together where it is baggier giving the appearance of a better fitted item. Saw this at a JC Penney's (when they would do them in store and use employees and thier kids) Little girls dress fit perfectly, then I saw her turn around: about 20 clips holding the dress to have it fit perfect.
This is true for mannequins as well. Former retail merchandiser here.4 -
GemstoneofHeart wrote: »VeronicaA76 wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ack. It's all utterly pants, isn't it.MsHarryWinston wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
And a good thing too. If you want to be actually able to buy clothes.amusedmonkey wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
That's interesting. According to the chart I'm a tight size 20 by hip and a size 18 by waist, but most of my current well fitting clothes are a size 14.
And THAT is where vanity sizing comes in. These standards were set using the measurements of American women compiled in the 1940's and 50's. Pattern companies are required to follow this, clothing manufacturers are not.
It's one thing for dressmaking patterns to have a specific set of measurements; if you're choosing to make your own clothes, you're probably able to adjust the bust or hips in or out to fit yourself
If you're a store selling clothes, you want to sell them to fit the shoppers, and the shoppers are not all going to magically have the body shape with the much lauded ten inch difference twix waist and hip that used to be taught as fricking holy gospel in sewing.
If you're a customer who wants to buy clothes, who can't sew, universal standardisation across stores would either see you able to buy everywhere, or... nowhere.
Government regulation on clothing sizes would be very restrictive here.
My 10" waist to hip difference is actually a huge pain in the butt, and even though it was annoyingly taught as "holy gospel" in sewing, it makes buying flattering pants that actually fit me right in the real world nearly impossible. Finding decent dresses is also tricky.
This isn't a "poor me" post, I'm just saying that buying clothes to fit my body right is actually really hard for me too. There's also currently a 12"
difference between my waist and my bust. Most clothes aren't cut for my shape. I need spandex in EVERYTHING.
But I wholeheartedly agree with your post because if clothing manufacturers were held to dressmaker measurements I'd be even worse off! Vanity sizing can be super annoying but as long as we take our measurements and pay attention to individual company sizing charts we are usually going to be ok.
When I overhear women bemoaning their luck in the neighbouring changing room cubicles, I sometimes wonder whether the prototype garments even fit the fit models, or whether it was just a case of "close enough" and "it'll do" on them!
As far as model pics, there's a trick the fashion industry uses for picture. Butterfly clips. They are kept out of the picture, but used to pull the clothing together where it is baggier giving the appearance of a better fitted item. Saw this at a JC Penney's (when they would do them in store and use employees and thier kids) Little girls dress fit perfectly, then I saw her turn around: about 20 clips holding the dress to have it fit perfect.
This is true for mannequins as well. Former retail merchandiser here.
And anyone who sells any clothing online. I buy and sell vintage clothing, I pin it on my manny all the time to show correct fit (but disclose it's pinned), obviously retailers do it to show best fit.3 -
I have bipolar disorder and struggled through many weight loss methods in order to lose weight.
I have a really wide range of unpopular methods due to my struggles.
I lost 130 lbs, in very unconventional ways.. not necessarily unhealthy..
I just don't play by all the rules.
My workouts are pretty much everywhere anytime.. I do consolidate them to mostly the morning hours, but I just make most things I do a challenge physically, in order to increase stamina and endurance. It takes a lot of mindfulness and daily practice and.. well obsession. I use dance, weights, and common daily household chores to work out. I use the mantra, "moving is better than not moving." Ppl say that's too simple. But for me, it's either move, or not move.. and who cares if I'm doing it wrong if I'm burning. I lost the weight and got the results.
Most people get really freaked out about my method because it's highly personalized and almost impossible to teach someone else. Since I ride manias to get the results I want.
In regards to nutrition, I try to balance everything g out. No tricks or fads, just balance. And people think that's too simple.
Unfortunately I struggle with the occasional binge, which has gotten better through the years.. my standards have changed, and my attitude toward it as well.
I actually think the occasional binge is necessary in my life. But that's mostly because if I didn't have that small thing, there would be other problems, worse ones.
We are all so different, and are all on different paths. What works for one may not work for another. I am certainly a huge example of that.
Due to the bipolar, I was left with learning issues that really put bumps in my road, so I had to use whatever means I could (within healthy limits) to make this happen. And I'm damn proud of it!
So if you struggle, and feel like you just don't get it.. remember.. you know good.. you know bad... just do what you think is good, and no bad can happen.. simplify it..
Just a message for us screw ups
(Kim ~lost 130lbs)
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily, and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.
Ell oh ell. Scale back... *looks shifty* *changes subject* Anyway... Logically, you're right about NHS resources and all that, but I just hate going to the doctor. I sit there in the waiting room, feeling the picture of health, and eye all the Properly Deserving with limbs hanging off.
I have an enforced couple of weeks off organised cardio things, while all and sundry go on holiday from teaching. I will have to see how it goes. It's improved so much already.
V. good advice. In my case, lack of flex shouldn't, theoretically, be the problem, but it is my less flexible leg that's doing all this. If it is lack of flexibility, then gawd knows how other people sort this kind of thing.Nony_Mouse wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ah, I have, kind of. Therein lies the small dilemma. I had gradually worsening knee pain for an embarrassingly long time (as in, if anyone else reported the same symptoms to me over the same timescale, my screeches of "go to the bloody doctor, you muppet" would be heard across the Atlantic). After months of private hypochondria and Dr Google, I went to the doctor who showed me a model of a knee, told me the diagnosis (which, needless to say, was not any of the things I'd worried myself sick about), gave me exercises for it, and told me to go to the practice physio if they didn't work.Nony_Mouse wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Ah, exercise shaming...also, I shall let my physiotherapist know that she's wasting my time having me do squats as part of my therapy to correct my patello-femoral joint issues. And here was us thinking that was working to restrengthen my glutes and quads...
Ooooh. *pricks up ears* Is it working?
Yep! I have a list of things to do now, we've been adding more each week as my knee's improved. I'd slacked off strength training at the end of last year, then munted my knee a couple of months ago doing a mountain hike. Quad and glute strength are apparently the key (for me anyway) to getting that pesky joint to track properly. Even though my strength and flexibility were still better than the average bear's at the time, my left leg was (and still is) weaker and less flexible than the right, which is what caused the problem.
If you're having patello-femoral joint issues I highly recommend seeing a physio.
Well, they ARE working. Brilliantly. I've gone from my knee collapsing under me regularly (as in three times on the short walk between my house and the doctors' surgery in May) plus knee pain which was getting more and more constant, to complete stability. It's so stable, that I've finally been able to start Cto5K, which was on my list of stuff to try this year. I've just got in from one of the runs right now, in fact!
Buuuuut I'm still getting occasional lower-key aches in the same place during runs and after other high impact cardio. This could mean I need a more specialised assessment, so I could go to the physio. But suppose it's just that I haven't been doing the other exercises for long enough/consistently enough? It's exactly three months since I got them, and I have slacked off on it a few times. It would be really embarrassing to take up a valuable NHS physio slot unnecessarily, and I can't afford a private consult.
At the moment, I'm planning to do the exercises really consistently until September, and then reassess.
Maybe scale back on the high impact and really commit to the strengthening for a time to see if it helps and slow ly reintroduce more volume to the other stuff. And then if it's still a concern or deteriorates go to the physio. You're not wasting precious NHS time if in the end all you need is one consult. And if it is more serious then it's the opposite of a waste.
I get it, I'm concerned a bone development issue isn't something physio can help with but there's not really many alternatives beyond waiting until it needs surgery and maybe there's something they can do to slow that. If not then again, one or two consults isn't taking too much time away from someone else who needs it more.
Agree with this ^^. I'm hoping to get the all clear to start running again soon, and will start right back at the beginning of C25K to help build strength further (and because my fitness level has gone to utter crap). Flexibility is also really important. Do you yoga? Check out Yoga with Adriene on YouTube, she has some awesome practices for runners, including one that focuses on hamstrings. I do her full 15 minute practices before and after running. After my initial consults with Dr Google, I was rather panicking that my juvenile over-enthusiastic stretching and lazy form (exploiting my mobility instead of learning to perform techniques precisely) had caught up with me!
I have the Yoga Studio app, but I'll definitely make time to check out Adriene. More yoga is always good; I'm desultorily trying to get my splits back to where they used to be.
Ah, see, it's not about how flexible you are compared to others
. Even when I've been completely slack and not done any flexibility work for weeks, I can touch my toes with ease. It's the fact I'm weaker and less flexible on one side. Work on that, esp hamstring and quad flexibility, and see if it helps. Believe me, I was all 'wtf? I'm way stronger and more flexible than the average person! How did this happen??'. When my physio checked my flexibility the other day, my left quad will stretch as far as my right, but is a lot more resistant to it, so still needs loosening up, my left hamstring is about 10% off from my right (was 20%). 3 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »MsHarryWinston wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
Lol so my bust is a 26, or a stretchy 24 and my waist down is about a 20. Joy! "Hello, yes, I'm trying to find a shirt that is flattering for my size 20 waist AND size 26 boobs" *facepalm*.
Not going to lie, finding shirts that fit well can be a bit annoying but I'll take the current 2 size difference in sizing for my body instead of the old 6.
Right now I generally fit a 1X(14/16)/16 on top and a 14/16 on bottom depending on the cut.
wow you have an amazing hourglass figure. I wish I did. I have 27in waist but 29in hips. According to this chart i am a 14 in waist but below a 4 in hips LOL
Lol thanks. It has gotten much easier for me to appreciate in the last few years once I was able to find clothes and bras that fit me well. Which was nearly impossible growing up in a mid-sized Canadian town. The amount of time that I spent bawling my eyes out in a changeroom because clothing manufacturers didn't believe my proportions existed is... well it's a lot.2 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Ack. It's all utterly pants, isn't it.MsHarryWinston wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
And a good thing too. If you want to be actually able to buy clothes.amusedmonkey wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Wait. I thought this was all about US sizing, so I thought I'd stay out of the discussion. But if we're not... Size 12 means a 34.5 inch waist? Which country's sizes, @SezxyStef?
Sizing differs from store to store. Some call this vanity sizing. I call it stores making clothes big enough to sell, but that is another thread. High street stores publish individual size guides, to tell the public the dimensions they design their garments to fit.
In the UK:
1) River Island. Size 12 jeans and trousers are listed as 29 inch/73cm waists. Pay attention to the centimetre measurement! https://www.riverisland.com/how-can-we-help/size-guides/womens#extrasizeguide-womens-trousers
2) Next- 29 inches or 74cm. http://help.next.co.uk/Section.aspx?ItemId=31028
3) the White Stuff- it's 29 inches or 73cm .http://www.whitestuff.com/mobile/mobile-help-her-size/
4) Marks & Spencer- it's 29.5 inches or 75cm. http://www.marksandspencer.com/c/size-guides?mcptredirect
5) Monsoon- it's 28.5 inches or 73 cm http://uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/content/size-guide
This is the chart of US Standard sizing for adult women:
This is the size chart from the back of a McCalls Pattern. The pattern companies are required to use standard sizing.
That's interesting. According to the chart I'm a tight size 20 by hip and a size 18 by waist, but most of my current well fitting clothes are a size 14.
And THAT is where vanity sizing comes in. These standards were set using the measurements of American women compiled in the 1940's and 50's. Pattern companies are required to follow this, clothing manufacturers are not.
It's one thing for dressmaking patterns to have a specific set of measurements; if you're choosing to make your own clothes, you're probably able to adjust the bust or hips in or out to fit yourself
If you're a store selling clothes, you want to sell them to fit the shoppers, and the shoppers are not all going to magically have the body shape with the much lauded ten inch difference twix waist and hip that used to be taught as fricking holy gospel in sewing.
If you're a customer who wants to buy clothes, who can't sew, universal standardisation across stores would either see you able to buy everywhere, or... nowhere.
Government regulation on clothing sizes would be very restrictive here.
My 10" waist to hip difference is actually a huge pain in the butt, and even though it was annoyingly taught as "holy gospel" in sewing, it makes buying flattering pants that actually fit me right in the real world nearly impossible. Finding decent dresses is also tricky.
This isn't a "poor me" post, I'm just saying that buying clothes to fit my body right is actually really hard for me too. There's also currently a 12"
difference between my waist and my bust. Most clothes aren't cut for my shape. I need spandex in EVERYTHING.
But I wholeheartedly agree with your post because if clothing manufacturers were held to dressmaker measurements I'd be even worse off! Vanity sizing can be super annoying but as long as we take our measurements and pay attention to individual company sizing charts we are usually going to be ok.
When I overhear women bemoaning their luck in the neighbouring changing room cubicles, I sometimes wonder whether the prototype garments even fit the fit models, or whether it was just a case of "close enough" and "it'll do" on them!
Pants! Absolutely pants! I'd even go so far as to say that it's all complete b*ll*cks, but I don't know if MFP will censor me lol.1 -
HIIT does not burn that many calories...and it doesn't.6
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